Just before the US eclipse, I heard a guy on the radio talking about calamities (including earthquakes) following an eclipse.
Last night I saw someone talking about Luke21:25 There will be signs in the sun and moon and stars, and on the earth dismay among the nations, bewildered by the roaring of the sea and the surging of the waves. 26 Men will faint from fear and anxiety over what is coming upon the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken....
Checked out some commentary, including one guy who thought most/all of those things were symbolic rather than literal.
Tonight I saw this on facebook; "74 fires out west, flooding in Texas, Irma gaining strength, earthquakes everywhere! Think God is trying to get our attention?"
Thoughts on these things?
While I'm not disputing that signs will happen I've never seen one.
Hardly anyone in Jesus time noticed He was the guy discussed in hundreds of page of Scripture and no doubts 1000's of pages of commentary. Were they really so stupid? Are we really that much smarter? I fear not.
Revelation is very symbolic. What does a darkened moon mean? Lunar eclipse? Cloudy weather for 70 days? Dust storm? Lawlessness?
That last one may need explanation. A certain interpretation is that the law is a reflection of God's mind/will/personality/etc. Not the real deal itself. If so a darkened moon can mean people not following God's laws. The moon also was used as a celestial clock for feasts incl. regular weekly Sabbath. So a darkened moon can also mean His Feasts are no longer kept.
But the above is only valid for those who believe the law still is valid.
Eclipses, blood moons, earthquakes, etc are not rare.
Wars are a sign. Show me time in human history without wars...
Powers are often shaken during those wars because wars very often are about (re)gaining power.
I could go on and on. My point is that we don't even know what the signs look like. So how can we look for them?
The signs are closely related to His second coming.
Matt 24:5 For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Messiah,' and will deceive many.
Those people didn't read the signs or read them wrong.
Thanks for sharing , James and Tony :thumbsup: ,
I really was just going to be quiet , I just come out of a long dry spell , getting too busy with the cares of this life and when it happens just like that , from time to time , our spiritual life suffers for it . Word of God gets choked out
Because it seems my carnal nature is dull of hearing the Word of GOD with any joy or peace in it .
I am comforted in knowing , God is faithful , just and true and there is nothing new under the Sun , and all these things happening now are no different than that of times of old when every creature suffers with some kind of calamity and end .
When our day of birth comes we never know it and when the day of death comes ,we do not know it either , except in the moment it is happening .
The recorded day of Noahs flood come and took them all away , same as Today , with all the natural disasters , many moons and many sunrises and many stars dying along the way [brightly in the expanse than shooting downward to the earth across the sky with a streak of flashing as it dies with no light at all , just a tiny rock as it becomes part of Gods plan of change , though space and time .
I do see this world as a verse in the song, Hotel California...........
This place can be heaven or it can be hell .....
Depending on the wisdom found working in our minds /hearts /seat of emotions . I hate to admit it but I do believe I am double minded and makes one mind of the Spirit and Life and than the other of death , true enemies and unstable in all our ways , leading to the confusion by mixing , death and Life together , with overthinking and analyzing everything . :sigh:
God knows I am sometimes a Martha and sometimes a Mary , and I take in all this , as very personally ..I call upon the name of the Lord often for His help and asking for His wisdom from above a lot . Because I know one mind has to die and the other one Live and GODS WORD IS SO TRUE .
Making Paul's passage in Romans 7 true to me as experiencing every little bit of it .
The wisdom of the world is foolishness to God and all that work / fruit of our doings ,becomes nothing , but dead works , only to be done over again and again , when calamity [an event causing great and often sudden damage or distress; a disaster. falls on any one of us at any time .
I do see this literal world as the grave ,and the dead know nothing as the ought , that we can only know God though this given faith ,
by the Lord Jesus Christ hand /power . , to Know God the Holy Father though the gifts of the Holy Spirit teaching us the Wisdom from above , the living fruit of His doings working in us and to be thankful in every situation till the end of all things .
We can take great comfort in that ,I do believe .
And as far as sharing it goes we can only do so with the Lord' s help , for of ourselves we can do nothing .
Only God can quicken it in us and make it Live in us , as He alone gives the increase , we learn to lean on the Lord and not our own understanding , though all these experiences and suffering though them all .
As they and we still call upon the name of the Lord for our help , so we can learn what His righteousness means in the earth ,showing mercy and compassion as Gods vessels of Love expressed in the Body of Christ , still in this world and the world to come as we see so many suffering death as a last enemy to be destroyed , be it carnal in nature , as the Spiritual mind is giving birth [child bearing ] as a new life in Christ is known .
I do see the end of the carnal nature passing away , as the new Spiritual life begins , in all the travail and struggles of this life ,as so many engaging in painful and laborious effort of Spiritual rebirth bearing the fruit of God for Gods glory .
Made perfect though suffering , we can see the scriptures fulfilled in our generation just as in times past and even to come as Gods plan unfolds Though the unveiling of Jesus Christ in the earth as it is in heaven .
Hebrews 2
9But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, now crowned with glory and honor because He suffered death, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone.
10In bringing many sons to glory, it was fitting for God, for whom and through whom all things exist,
to make the pioneer of their salvation perfect through suffering.
11For both the One who sanctifies and those who are sanctified are of the same family.
That is why Jesus is not ashamed to call them brothers....
For me , it is being born again of the Spirit though the suffering of the flesh and bearing our cross , As Jesus made a way and now making it known to all , that we too should also suffer in the same manner , no one taught of God is above His master .
I never give much thought to when the world will end.
It was never my orientation as a child, or in the churches I belonged to, throughout my life.
Never mentioned in my family, and very rarely among my friends, despite the fact that I know many people in Christian Ministry, of one kind or another.
I try to live each day as though it is my first and my last.
First for the newness and joy, and last, as no one ever knows when we will be called by our Creator, so we should be as full of love, honor, integrity, mercy, patience, joy, faithfulness, and truth as God gives us the grace to be.
Jesus said that only the Father knew the day and the timeline of the end.
I know I am in no great rush.....I just found out about 2 weeks ago that my first grandchild is coming; still waking up from the fog of my past; trying to start my business; enjoying wonderful people in my life, now. No, not in any great hurry. Still learning to live in the moment. But, God's will, always, not ours.
D.
Jesus was.is a sign...spoken against..of the rising and falling..of many in Israel.. Josephs dream vision..with the sun representing
his Father..his mother the moon..andhis brothers as stars.] Matt 16;3, John 2;11.. bginning of His signs[miracles]
Acts 7;36..and Rev 16;14. sunblack as sackcloth=sign of judgement[note judges wear black robes] moon turn to blood
[Jerusalem Above moon sign]..clothing herselfwith her children[all men of one blood...the little children partook of flesh andblood
and so likewise He partook.
problem is the lying signs done by the artificer..to keep people confused/decieved and uncertain.....
I believe the consummation is quickly coming....'it won't be long and there won't be any more tears ever." The first is with
the last,already. the ten vrgins sleep comfortably in the night..until the call.."THE Bridegroom cometh!
the bridegroom was delayed...nows the time to let your lamp shine....
my first impression (i posted this as a response on facebook as a good friend posted this also, and then tagged me with a ? ) - .."birth tremors".. As lots of things, it seems to me, have to come about before it gets real earnest(?)
But man's creation/world/empires can only come crashing down.. "in one hour it crashes and in one day it falls".. 1,290 days after they remove/demolish/take away the wailing wall (imo, that is - do messianic Jews visit the wall? (rev 12:17) is when they will set up the notorious six hundred sixty six system? which will hum along for forty five days, with the last ten days being life threatening"? dan 12:11,12; rev 2:10.
We're in a pause of man's splitting the atom, seal 6, chapter 6 (but described as its 1st and it's last so kinda hidden/obscured) pause of man's splitting the atom, as warfare, chap7. When that pause is broken, limited-at first, things will escalate.. one world government and peace, peace.. ten divisions of the world.. ten toes-Dan2, ten kings-Rev.. world governing will be Roman/Greek based (the iron/bronze of Nebuchadnezzar's dream statue).. will harness the sword of the Middle East.. 35 days to bug in, and 10 to bug out? [ya just had to ask!! after "the tares gather to the last battle/armageddon (split atom no longer limited) - or rather, while.. Jesus returns and begins to institute paradise/perfection, an age of, then judgment "age" - note here, one of the translation errors.. then God himself will dwell (tabernacle) with mankind on earth made new, the lion will eat straw like the ox and the bear will graze with the cow.. "God is the savior of all" 1 Tim 4:10 ..all are learning good from evil/life from nonlife. Since God can only be perfect, perfect makes no mistakes, loses nothing.. the 'end' result can only be the BEST-one-possible.
Note.. there's twice now I've heard news reports of the fires west of us (in the u.s.) causing the moon to appear as red in areas east of the fires.. I've long thought the red moon and light of the sun lessened by 1/3 to be an effect of this very thing..
drought? Rev 12:16 w/ Luke 23:28,31 ( :doh: store a little water? also good for storms, etc, after all, and for others!)
exacerbated by wars and rumors of wars (battles)? and "out of the smoke" comes, locust like (hover,swarm, loud and can sting from tail; fiery?) for 5 months.. ML?(oneday)
P.S. - amen Sheila, and congratulations Dandelion! :HeartThrob:
I remember when Y2k was coming, and the Jupiter Effect. Ever since I was saved in 74 someone or another has been prophesying disaster. Yet Jesus said when we see these things we ought to go up to our rooftop and rejoice. Our redemption is drawing near.
A few years ago there were a group of prophets who gained a lot of influence among the charismatic churches prophesying that Las Vegas and Phoenix were going to be nuked- destroyed by fire. It never happened. These people never came out and publicly repented when their prophecies failed.
We must trust the Lord that His grace will be sufficient in any circumstance. He is in control. If I live. If I die. If chaos reigns. If peace prevails(to which end I pray fervently, as directed by the apostles and prophets). If this is the time of the unraveling of the end of the age, I pray that the Lord spends my life for His glory. If not, I pray I leanr more and more each day how to serve Him more effectively. All we can do is trust, wait upon Him, take it one day at a time.
:thumbsup: amen! Glory to GOD for the great things He has done and is doing ! :HeartThrob:
God is the righteous judge over everything ! , the HOLY ONE has got this ! we can rest in that hope totally :HeartThrob:
Something I've been noticing is how some believers are reading God's Word for their self. (Often it seems they will share many conclusions about what it says. Especially after getting a good overall view of it?)
And this came to my mind this morning when I read -
Acts 2:17-20 (from Joel)
17 And it shall be in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of My Spirit upon all flesh,
and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions,
and your old men shall dream dreams; 18 and also upon My men-servants, and upon My maid-servants,
in those days, I will pour out of My Spirit, and they shall prophesy;
19 and I will give wonders in the heaven above, and signs upon the earth beneath
-- blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke,
20 the sun shall be turned to darkness,
and the moon to blood, [This part often read and taken out of context, and 19a]
before the great and glorious day of the LORD appears.. {this last line highlighted to my mind.. :cloud9:
Quote from: rosered on September 07, 2017, 01:03:04 PM
:thumbsup: amen! Glory to GOD for the great things He has done and is doing ! :HeartThrob:
God is the righteous judge over everything ! , the HOLY ONE has got this ! we can rest in that hope totally :HeartThrob:
Amen! ..it's beyond me why people get all crazed and, or afraid.. after all any signs given in God's Word are for benefitting hearers, not cursing..
Even y2k, I knew nothing was about to occur, but some folks laughed to think it could ever happen - now we know it can.. Even for storms, ice storms, etc.. to have a little water put aside for your loved ones is only sensible.. since we have come to depend so much upon man's world providing all..
And -
imo - it's not a 7 year stretch of what's called (the) tribulation - there's no "the".. but 45 days.. (it's a treaty that's 7yrs, and then broken in the midst against Israel) but some I think will be caught unaware, even though it would likely with God's Spirit and all, be easy for some to "wait for and come to the end of the" 45 days later... Daniel 12:12
Quote from: marie glen on September 07, 2017, 06:09:20 PM
Something I've been noticing is how some believers are reading God's Word for their self. (Often it seems they will share many conclusions about what it says. Especially after getting a good overall view of it?)
And this came to my mind this morning when I read -
Acts 2:17-20 (from Joel)
17 And it shall be in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of My Spirit upon all flesh,
and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions,
and your old men shall dream dreams; 18 and also upon My men-servants, and upon My maid-servants,
in those days, I will pour out of My Spirit, and they shall prophesy;
19 and I will give wonders in the heaven above, and signs upon the earth beneath
-- blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke,
20 the sun shall be turned to darkness,
and the moon to blood, [This part often read and taken out of context]
before the great and glorious day of the LORD appears..
Blessings sister Marie :HeartThrob: !!!! Sure can see things that way Marie , but also consider, in the other scriptures it says, Do not despise prophesying .
in another place .
Most that can relate to both set of scriptures being true when it is applied or rightly divided ,
As Jesus come to cause division , the true from the false and they sure should be humbled when made a liar ,
It says Let God be True and every man is a liar , that any words he speaks can be justified by the Lord Jesus Christ [Spirit of prophecy) and overcome evil with good sound words , every word will be taken into account ,The Lord says also in another place .
Romans 3:4 (ASV)
4 God forbid: yea, let God be found true, but every man a liar; as it is written,
That you might be justified in your words,
And might prevail/ overcome when you come into judgment.
Romans 3 explains well when God judges the heart of everyone and its motives perfectly .
Many do not know what spirit they are of sadly , :sigh: if Love/ God is not that pure motive ,to me anyways, at this time .
James and John [the sons of thunder ] Did not understand this at the time ,the Lord come to visit a city and rejected Him ,
they were set to send fire down on them ! But the Lord corrected them and down the road they understood in their own accounts , the scriptures of James and John that Love prevails .
I am so grateful God has everything under control , what a comfort it truly is ! , and we can bank on that , no matter what this world offers anyone of us . :HeartThrob:
I think recently the four blood moons sold a few million books for John Hagee and a couple others. Now the eclipse we just had is probably signifigant in some legitimate way because it is such a rare phenomena and may signal something in the Lords timing, but even if it is, who knows what it foretells?
But the sun rises everyday. His mercies are new every morning.
The heavens are telling of the glory of God;
And their expanse is declaring the work of His hands.
2Day to day pours forth speech,
And night to night reveals knowledge.
3There is no speech, nor are there words;
Their voice is not heard.
4Their line has gone out through all the earth,
And their utterances to the end of the world.
In them He has placed a tent for the sun,
5Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber;
It rejoices as a strong man to run his course. Psalm 19
In Acts after Peter and John were arrested and threatened, the body of believers (about 5000? by then) prayed. They didn't pray for safety for their selves, etc, they prayed for the Lord to make them brave enough to preach His message.
Quote from: marie glen on September 07, 2017, 10:12:22 PM
In Acts after Peter and John were arrested and threatened, the body of believers (about 5000? by then) prayed. They didn't pray for safety for their selves, etc, they prayed for the Lord to make them brave enough to preach His message.
Yes that is beautiful Marie ! reminded me of the scriptures, they did not love their lives unto death :thumbsup:
Rev 12 . 11They have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony;
and they did not love their lives so as to shy away from death.
Thanks John ! blood moons , is a man made term from the scripture
The moon shall turn to Blood in Joel , Acts and Revelation
I agree it has spiritual meaning . The moon being the lesser light and glory , the old law covenant that required blood [ Jesus is the Lamb of God ] all is being fulfilled in Christ Rev 12 speaks of the Woman , with the moon under her feet etc , It gives a beautiful picture of Gods work of unveiling the Lord Jesus Christ :HeartThrob:
are we not all prophesying by saying that all of mankind will be saved?
and would not those who say not all will be saved is a false prophet?
just some thoughts
Quote from: rosered on September 07, 2017, 10:46:47 PM
Quote from: marie glen on September 07, 2017, 10:12:22 PM
In Acts after Peter and John were arrested and threatened, the body of believers (about 5000? by then) prayed. They didn't pray for safety for their selves, etc, they prayed for the Lord to make them brave enough to preach His message.
Yes that is beautiful Marie ! reminded me of the scriptures, they did not love their lives unto death :thumbsup:
Rev 12 . 11They have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony;
and they did not love their lives so as to shy away from death.
Thanks John ! blood moons , is a man made term from the scripture
The moon shall turn to Blood in Joel , Acts and Revelation
I agree it has spiritual meaning . The moon being the lesser light and glory , the old law covenant that required blood [ Jesus is the Lamb of God ] all is being fulfilled in Christ Rev 12 speaks of the Woman , with the moon under her feet etc , It gives a beautiful picture of Gods work of unveiling the Lord Jesus Christ :HeartThrob:
...it does.. but I also think "-- blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke, the sun shall be turned to darkness, and the moon to blood, before the great and glorious day of the LORD appears.. to be literal as well as the shaking of the planet - though I think the stars falling appear that way when the last great earthquake occurs.. I don't even think governments know fully just how powerful their bombs are...
you see, it makes sense to me.. which type of parent is better - one who spanks the child and says "because I said so!"
Or the one who tells the child why they should not go a certain way (or do a certain thing) - that's how I think of last days prophecy what's called apocalypse (the unveiling, which i figure occurs when the wrong way(s) result in crashing and burning, as the saying goes.. but which crashing (of the babylon system) and unfortunately the burning of man's empires is the final nail in this good from evil lesson..
Sure the apocalyptic judgment could be thunderbolts thrown from God's throne.. or planet x colliding with the earth.. or whatever.. like a spanking and saying.. don't do it again ("it" being to go away from HIm in any thought, word or deed.. -> can't be done as He is - i believe - life itself.. so very unwise to do so, once we learn that all important lesson (imo)
It's seems logical (and apparent) to me, that is, that mankind is indeed heading that way.. And unless He "cuts those days short, no flesh would survive"..
I believe there is spiritual and metaphorical lessons in all these things.. in history, etc.. and bible accounts. And they are beautiful and important lessons, but I still believe the main lesson is quite seriously literal.. and really quite simple.. (which is likely why we tend to go for the less obvious spiritual lessons, which I think is great and very necessary as long as it doesn't encourage the complete overlaying of what is openly being said..
just my :2c: though.. time will tell :HeartThrob: :girlheart:
Quote from: jugghead on September 08, 2017, 01:54:21 AM
are we not all prophesying by saying that all of mankind will be saved?
and would not those who say not all will be saved is a false prophet?
just some thoughts
:faint: ...sadly I think that has some truth! ..A lot of truth.. Though I know many ET believers truly do love the Lord.. ..and others are being very strange these days from what I can gather.. as if ET isn't bad enough! which.. it is!
QuoteI believe there is spiritual and metaphorical lessons in all these things.. in history, etc.. and bible accounts. And they are beautiful and important lessons, but I still believe the main lesson is quite seriously literal.. and really quite simple.. (which is likely why we tend to go for the less obvious spiritual lessons, which I think is great and very necessary as long as it doesn't encourage the complete overlaying of what is openly being said..
just my :2c: though.. time will tell :HeartThrob: :girlheart:
I totally agree sista Marie ! , I do look for destruction of this world for sure [physical]
Can it honestly keep going like it is ?!! I mean you would have to have blinders on lol not to see it happen before our natural eyes :eek: There is going to be a whole lotta shakin ; going on
Thanks everyone. It's all pretty interesting. I'm like most, have heard warnings and predictions - even called prophecy - pretty much my whole life. Not saying it's not as soon as tomorrow, just that it's hard to know in so much noise.
There's the constellation coming up soon, dragon in the sky. Some believe that's a Revelation sign, others say it occurred at Jesus' birth, probably others say double fulfillment.
Just now I saw this; "Hurricane Irma will be devastating to U.S.", FEMA chief. Also, "For the first time in modern history, three hurricanes in the Atlantic are lined up in the most dangerous of ways, according to Eric Blake, a hurricane specialist at the National Hurricane Center."
I don't know the signs and times. Watch and pray, walk with Him each day.
IMO ..... Mother Nature is just a reflection of the destructive nature of mankind
This earth is the means by which the destructive nature of mankind is made manifest
just as our thoughts and desires are made manifest through our physical body on an individual level
so are the thoughts and desires of mankind made manifest through this physical earth on a corporate level
if mankind (as a whole) is the spirit of destruction, this earth is what manifests that spirit
get rid of the spirit of destruction and we have a new earth with no calamities ...... all is calm
just as we were a slave to sin, so is this earth a slave to the sin of mankind
my :2c:
That is fascinating about the dragon in the sky James . I have never heard of it before now :dunno2:
I do agree there is a lot of negative noise in the air waves , for sure .
, That is an interesting assessment Jugg and believable with the scriptures Rev 11 ;18 YLT
and the nations were angry, and Thine anger did come, and the time of the dead, to be judged,
and to give the reward to Thy servants, to the prophets, and to the saints, and to those fearing Thy name,
to the small and to the great, and to destroy those who are destroying the land.'
I have always considered that the book of Revelation , Day of the Lord [ 1000 year reign] could very well be the Lord destroying Babylon , the great whore of the land and the kings of the earth
And the preparing of the great supper of God and carrying out His sentence and making a short work in righteousness in the earth ,
if the 1000 years is a Day in the Lords sight , than John s testimony of seeing in the Spirit on the Lords DAY could come upon the earth at any time , This I do not doubt it will come , just trusting in Gods Wisdom today for HIS perfect plan
Romans 9
27Isaiah cries out concerning Israel: "Though the number of the Israelites is like the sand of the sea, only the remnant will be saved. 28For the Lord will carry out His sentence on the earth with thoroughness and decisiveness."
29It is just as Isaiah predicted: "Unless the Lord of Hosts had left us descendants, we would have become like Sodom, we would have resembled Gomorrah."...
Isaiah 10:22
For though your people, O Israel, may be like the sand of the sea, Only a remnant within them will return; A destruction is determined, overflowing with righteousness.
Isaiah 10:23
For a complete destruction, one that is decreed, the Lord GOD of hosts will execute in the midst of the whole land.
For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make on the earth
This is the warning for the living [knowing it is coming surly as Gods Word is a witness , by His powerful Holy Sprint it shall be done ] the living are waiting till the Lord comes to fulfill all things and the dead , whom do not know anything of the Lords doings . but , every eye shall see Him !
Glory to God in the highest and on earth peace to men on whom His favor rests!" We know to expect calamity in the earth and trust in the Lord on His salvation of all mankind ,especially for those whom are trusting , believing and waiting on Him to come .
I am one whom believes that the 70 AD destruction was a token ,a thing serving as a visible or tangible representation of a fact, quality, sign or symbol of truth to the things to come upon the whole world .
Very good comments everyone. :declare:
Humankind has always looked for signs, earthly or heavenly, portending future events. Many speculated on such events as some of you mentioned. Even Halley's comet.
At the height of the cold war I a teenager and was afraid of nuclear devastation on the earth. People were building underground fallout shelters. Movies were made on this theme. This pervasive thinking was a factor in leading me to study the bible, wondering if God had something to say. Many churches which preached end time events drew a significant following. I was in one of them where prophesy was a priority topic. Interpreting the book of Revelation was a favorite. We do not know when the end will come but, as has been said "watch and pray".
Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Mat 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
:2c:
Amen Joeteekay !! :HeartThrob: I have seen this message of Matt 24 and Luke 21 twice today already people seem to be
waking up to the fact that GOD is real , Which is a wonderful thing really ,
and even though it seems scary to some who do not know God fully in Christ , the Truth will prevail and will learn of His righteousness in the earth , we whom have been given this amazing grace are comforted by knowing God 's mercy .
It is not wrong to be prepared , but I believe they want to preserve their lives , not being as careful to hear what the Spirit is saying , the scriptures states " in Rev 12 , ...
10And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying: "Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of His Christ.
For the accuser of our brothers has been thrown down, he who accuses them day and night before our God.
11They have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony;
and they did not love their lives so as to shy away from death.
12Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them!
But woe to the earth and the sea; with great fury the devil has come down to you, knowing he has only a short time."
None us could ever know when the truth of this scripture is going to be fulfilled ,
but the Lord said Himself is Luke 21 28When these things begin to happen, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near."
We believe Gods Word and only He is able to make us stand on the solid rock foundation of His truth , because we do believe Him .
Oh to be like little obedient children , under the protection of His wings . as He also warned Jerusalem at the time of His visitation of sudden the destruction that was coming upon them all in 70 ad .
Matt 23 36Truly I tell you, all these things will come upon this generation.
37O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those sent to her, how often I have longed to gather your children together,
as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings,
but you were unwilling!
38Look, your house is left to you desolate....
When ever I see the Lord saying any name twice in a row in the scriptures , it makes me think of both the natural and spiritual meaning of whatever He is speaking of as a present tense and future meaning of His Words coming true .
Jerusalem is called the earthly one as well as the heavenly one .
Ps , it does seem that in the times of trouble many do come together in a unity of faith in trusting God only , to make a way when there is no other way possible .
Very interesting thoughts all.. I for one am hoping my kids and grandkids will have relatively calm times.. To me, the times ('end' times) seems like a giant wheel turning.. sometimes it speeds up and gains some ground.. I guess like birth pangs (labor).. i think it's good to have an idea of the signs of the coming times, so hopefully we can somewhat share them with others, who are bound to be fearful if they've no idea what's going on, or the good times following.. That's the thing, as things unfortunately progress, means His arrival is closer.. And God's kingdom, "Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven" - how glorious that will be.. but until them, life is still pretty grand when we know our heavenly Father and Jesus. :thumbsup: :HeartThrob:
Quote from: jugghead on September 09, 2017, 03:00:37 AM
IMO ..... Mother Nature is just a reflection of the destructive nature of mankind
This earth is the means by which the destructive nature of mankind is made manifest
just as our thoughts and desires are made manifest through our physical body on an individual level
so are the thoughts and desires of mankind made manifest through this physical earth on a corporate level
if mankind (as a whole) is the spirit of destruction, this earth is what manifests that spirit
get rid of the spirit of destruction and we have a new earth with no calamities ...... all is calm
just as we were a slave to sin, so is this earth a slave to the sin of mankind
my :2c:
:thumbsup: Sounds right to me, Jugghead..
Last year I wrote an article on Luke 21. You can read the whole article by following the link below, but in this post I've included a summary:
https://victoryoftheeons.com/2016/07/27/prophecies-of-the-olivet-discourse/ (https://victoryoftheeons.com/2016/07/27/prophecies-of-the-olivet-discourse/)
In a specific sense, I believe Luke's prophecies about crises before Christ's return were fulfilled during the period of 66 - 70 A.D. There are historical records of severe earthquakes and famines amid the wars of that era. Christians who trusted in Jesus' prophecy interpreted events of 66 A.D. as the signs Jesus spoke of, and they fled Jerusalem as He instructed.
However, in a general sense, I believe the Tribulation has continued from then on up to the present day. Luke 21:24 states that "there will be great distress on the earth and wrath against this people; they will fall by the edge of the sword and be taken away as captives among all nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled."
I believe that the "times of the Gentiles" began with Paul's ministry and is still underway. The times of the Gentiles will end when Christ returns to establish a new kingdom on earth headed by Israel.
Could the recent eclipse be a sign that the era of the Gentiles is almost over? It's possible, although I don't think the ensuing crises are signs of Christ's return. I interpret 1 Thes. 5:3 to mean that Christ will return when people are saying "peace and security" as opposed to a time of crisis.
If we have the Holy Spirit in our lives we realize that nothing else matters.. Very thankful of course for all God's blessings which are in our lives (and trials), but the happiness he gives is beyond and has nothing to do with circumstances. What can separate us from his love and happiness? Not even things to come should they come in our day.. :cloud9:
I've been in prayer before and have seen a verse come as though floating across my mind (almost like on a line, as the second part is just a little lower then the first), the line being "lovest thou me? ..feed my sheep.." Edit: no! that's not how it was! It was just the first phrase, with 'thou me' being a little lower..
..about U.R. absolutely! we are all convinced of that.. but this was concerning how He is love and joy and He doesn't want his people to suffer horrible tribulations - if you are faint of heart, don't read this next line! ..the guillotine is much more merciful than isis.. I'm sorry for writing that, but it is part of what I'm writing..
People will be marrying and giving in marriage.. it comes unexpectedly.. so besides the all important depending on the Spirit, what has God said about those days as far as signposts and attitude - so we can pass this knowledge on to others.
The only way to know this, is to consider all verses which pertain. Especially if we could wipe our mind clean (clear) on this like a never written on slate.
I have read that in 70 A.D. the Christians, during a pause, left the city before it was so brutally besieged and the temple complex razed with fire til not one stone was left atop another (except those of the Western Wall, which I assume are prophesied to come down? Dan. 12:11(12)
And we know there will be christians alive upon Earth at Jesus' return..
:Peace2: :girlheart:
Quote from: Graph1159 on September 11, 2017, 03:53:06 AM
Last year I wrote an article on Luke 21. You can read the whole article by following the link below, but in this post I've included a summary:
https://victoryoftheeons.com/2016/07/27/prophecies-of-the-olivet-discourse/ (https://victoryoftheeons.com/2016/07/27/prophecies-of-the-olivet-discourse/)
In a specific sense, I believe Luke's prophecies about crises before Christ's return were fulfilled during the period of 66 - 70 A.D. There are historical records of severe earthquakes and famines amid the wars of that era. Christians who trusted in Jesus' prophecy interpreted events of 66 A.D. as the signs Jesus spoke of, and they fled Jerusalem as He instructed.
However, in a general sense, I believe the Tribulation has continued from then on up to the present day. Luke 21:24 states that "there will be great distress on the earth and wrath against this people; they will fall by the edge of the sword and be taken away as captives among all nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled."
I believe that the "times of the Gentiles" began with Paul's ministry and is still underway. The times of the Gentiles will end when Christ returns to establish a new kingdom on earth headed by Israel.
Could the recent eclipse be a sign that the era of the Gentiles is almost over? It's possible, although I don't think the ensuing crises are signs of Christ's return. I interpret 1 Thes. 5:3 to mean that Christ will return when people are saying "peace and security" as opposed to a time of crisis.
:thumbsup: :iagree: I think bible prophecy concerning 'last' days, has gotten incorrectly fixed into a seven year frame, i.e. put in a box!
I do believe the weather and other things are birth pangs (tremors) but I believe the whole last days is in the ride of the white horse - referring to Rev chapter six, the first horse and rider which in the vision when he comes upon the scene, begins the revelation vision as relating to upon earth.
I feel I've had this confirmed by the word "olam" - been wanting to mention that to Eaglesway but haven't been able to put it into words. But included in the word olam, as age, somehow includes all within that age (?) :dontknow: That's how I remember it anyway. Somehow one day it struck me that way, concerning the "first horse of the apocalypse" which i've always thought of as the years of our Lord A.D.
Of course each horse (and seal) continues its ride throughout the vision.. maturing (and culminate at the 'end') - you see, to me "apocalypse" means the unveiling when all untruth / built not on the Rock, the Stone the builders rejected, comes tumbling down, breaking apart.. man's system crashing and a little later how Isaiah wrote "in the day the towers fall" - which I take to be metaphor for all our castles in the air and inner towers falling, but also outer towers and the towers of the world, man's world and empires.. Indeed I think the "great hail" which falls will be debris (!) "Come out of her my people.." Yes, watching a film a few years back about 9/11 with all its debris falling and for a moment it looked like hail.. ( :dontknow: )
(I do however believe there will be some sort of seven year treaty, whether world or concerning Israel? anyway, peace, peace, but which will be broken in the middle (midst) (when Dan 12:11 occurs / Mt 24:1-2?). I also think men's hearts failing them for fear because of what's happening in the weather on land and sea, will also occur.. While people are marrying and giving in marriage, and until the crash, meanwhile business goes on as usual.. As an overview that is, as there's plenty of tribulation going on in the middle east, for example, right now..
I have not come across any verses which in the original say "the" tribulation.. and i tend to focus on Jesus (in the revelation letter to Smyrna) referring to "ten days tribulation" which somehow has gotten lodged into my mind as the last ten days and coinciding to whatever the six sixty six is when it escalates from cannot buy or sell, to will be killed (Dan 12:12?)
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I have been thinking about all of the things that are going on in the world this year compared to the past and it sure can get ones attention.
I do believe God has a timeline. He surely planned every detail and the set time when they will happen. Jesus said to WATCH. I do believe a lot has already happened but I also believe there are things that are still to happen,...there just has to be. I believe there is a set time as to when Jesus comes back and when the end will be. It says we won't know the
There have been earthquakes, blood moons, eclipse, hurricanes, fires, president Trump being elected when it seemed impossible. All of these things God planned from the beginning for some purpose. I think we should keep our eyes open to what is going on in the world. Jesus said to the Pharisees "O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times? "Of that day and hour knoweth no man". We may not know the day nor hour but I think we can know when the end is near, even at the door.
As the song says " did I do all I could do in the time that you gave me".
CHB
I tend to use this 'sign' Mt 24;32 Now learn this lesson from the fig tree;AS SOON AS IT'S TWIGS GET TENDER,AND IT'S
LEAVES COME OUT,YOU KNOW THAT SUMMER IS NEAR.
..fig tree leaves covered the shame of the nakedness of Adam and EVE...sowhen you see people praying/declaring for all men's sins to be
covered..by the blood of Jesus...and the declaration that He has made atonement..
you know it won't be long and we'll all get new skins.. :declare:
"Of that day and hour knoweth no man"
No one knows the hour in which they will die. "Thou fool, this day thy soul is required of thee."
I think most of the time that is what is meant. In the language of parable Jesus has told us to not focus on apocalyptic time schedules- but rather to count all as loss and rejoice when our redemption draws near. When the mortal veil is torn the next thing any person will know is the face of Jesus Christ enthroned in the midst of the throng of angels and the spirits of righteous men made perfect in the general assembly of the firstborn registered in heaven. This will be a reservoir of fire for those who need it to be and a crystal sea for those who rejoice at His presence. :2c:
Quote from: sheila on September 12, 2017, 12:17:18 AM
I tend to use this 'sign' Mt 24;32 Now learn this lesson from the fig tree;AS SOON AS IT'S TWIGS GET TENDER,AND IT'S
LEAVES COME OUT,YOU KNOW THAT SUMMER IS NEAR.
..fig tree leaves covered the shame of the nakedness of Adam and EVE...sowhen you see people praying/declaring for all men's sins to be
covered..by the blood of Jesus...and the declaration that He has made atonement..
you know it won't be long and we'll all get new skins.. :declare:
Wow Sheila! I never thought of that before, thanks.
CHB
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Quote from: rosered on September 09, 2017, 03:36:05 PM
That is fascinating about the dragon in the sky James . I have never heard of it before now :dunno2:
I do agree there is a lot of negative noise in the air waves , for sure .
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http://www.foxnews.com/science/2017/09/15/biblical-prophecy-claims-world-will-end-on-sept-23-christian-numerologists-claim.html
Quote from: jabcat on September 17, 2017, 07:06:21 AM
Quote from: rosered on September 09, 2017, 03:36:05 PM
That is fascinating about the dragon in the sky James . I have never heard of it before now :dunno2:
I do agree there is a lot of negative noise in the air waves , for sure .
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http://www.foxnews.com/science/2017/09/15/biblical-prophecy-claims-world-will-end-on-sept-23-christian-numerologists-claim.html
Thank you James ,
Seems the media tries to invoke fear ,
I sure do not put much stock in such things ..
Those whom believe and obey the Lord are waiting on Him.
Psalms 27 The Lord is My Salvation
...13I would have despaired unless I had believed that I would see the goodness of the LORD In the land of the living.
14Wait for the LORD;
Be strong and let your heart take courage;
Yes, wait for the LORD.
thanks rosie..lots of theories out there, huh?
and amen to what you said :thumbsup: