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Beloved Servant

Quote from: Cardinal on April 29, 2010, 03:06:07 PM
:cloud9: As we get closer to God, the Spirit of God will direct our paths as to what we should do in every situation.
Blessings.....

Amen Card,
It is His life that is being manifested in the earth.

Jesus says: "Take my yoke."
When we take it we will be directed by the Master.
The one that holds the reigns directs the Way.

Nathan

When pursuing the nature of Christ as opposed to the literal things written about Christ, the one thing that emerges often with his ministry and nature was that he was always tending to his neighbors.  He wasn't trying to establish a political agenda or making a political statement.

Keep in mind when Jesus came, Israel was politically under the control of Rome.  And that was not by choice, but by the result of a violent take-over.  There is a movement out there even today, that believes Judas purposefully manipluated the capture of Jesus because he believed Jesus would literally overthrow anyone who tried to arrest him because, like the rest of the disciples, he also believed when Jesus stated that he would take the seat of David, that meant that he would return Israel to their previous heirchy and he, Jesus, would be king over Israel.  It was a politcal ploy to get Israel back to being an independant nation.

But to us, it's clear Jesus did not come to literally be king over anyone.  His purpose was a spiritual one.  That's why he stated give unto 'Ceasar" what is Ceasars.  That had to have  a bit of a sting to it because regardless of what religious sect you were a part of, everyone hated being under the control of Rome.  Living by the law of the land, for me, is like anything else in life, there's a balance to everything.  

Like Cardinal, I tend to have a heavy foot from time to time.  I break the speeding laws more than I care to admit.  Does that affect my righteousness?  Is my rightstanding with God, who is spirit, being threatened by my lead-foot activities, which is natural?  Nothing separates us from God's love.  If hell and death can't, neither can my inability to keep the vehicle below the limits of the law.  Does that mean it's okay?  Everything has consequences.  And unlike Cardinal, in my case, I have yet to have a cop just give me a warning to slow it down.  My last one was about 6 weeks ago, I did a "slow-and-go" through a stop sign at 10:00 at night leaving a Wal-mart parking lot . . .cost me over $100 for the stupid ticket!

But when it comes to religious law, Jesus kept getting in hot water with the religious crowd due to the fact that he kept breaking them to show the spiritual principles of the kingdom.  So instead of honoring those who were considered to be in high places in the church, those were the ones that he infuriorated the most.  No mention of him getting ticketed by the pagans.

As to the slavery issue, even in the New Testament there is a reference to the slaves in that if you're a slave, be a godly one and show God's love through you toward your masters.  There was no hint or clue that slavery is a sin.  Culture is a very amusing thing.

Dallas

QuoteAs to the slavery issue, even in the New Testament there is a reference to the slaves in that if you're a slave, be a godly one and show God's love through you toward your masters.  There was no hint or clue that slavery is a sin.  Culture is a very amusing thing.

Nathan, most references in the new testament, including the one you mention above is refering to a job. If you work for someone they refered to him as your master and you as salve.

They were talking about working at a high level with a good and honest attitude not bickering, not stealing but giving a good and honest effort to earn your pay as though you were working for God.

Chris

Quote from: crescent moon on April 23, 2010, 04:21:57 AM
Okay...I see what all are saying about Satan being an "adversary."
Then what of all the Scriptures of demons being cast out of people...demon possession, etc?
Please be patient with me, I come from a very Pentecostal background...a background where I was taught watching anything 'demonic' or witchcraft related can open my life up to such influences and eventually possess me.
I know, I know!  Many are laughing as they read this! 
I can also remember ministry experiences on the mission field where I KNOW I came in contact with forces, witches (whatever you want to call them).  Was all that in my head?  Are we saying those thing don't exist or that, in Jesus' name, we have power over them?  If it's all bologna, should I still be entertained by it...my heart still says 'no'.  BUT I can see how not buying into these beliefs can free me from a certain letter of the Law ingrained in me by the 'religious.'

I would like to read any input, especially coming from those of you have come from a similar background and how this has been worked out in your mind and hearts.

I am still sooooo new to UR and all the new things God is teaching me BUT still soooo ingrained with the doctrines I had pounded into the very fiber of my being! Soooo bound up by traditions of men!
Lord Jesus, please free me from all that is not true freedom in You!  Teach me to worship you in spirit and truth!


Hi crescent moon!

I did a study on this once but I can't find it so I think it might be on my computer at work, but I know that one of the verses that I looked at was Mat 4:24 which speaks of those "possessed with devils":

Mat 4:24 And his fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatick, and those that had the palsy; and he healed them.

What I found interesting is not only what the word means but the "tense" (and "voice") of the verb.

The phrase in red is translated from the Greek word below:

daimonizomai (G1139)

1) to be under the power of a demon.

And, according to Strong's, this word is the middle voice of from δαίμων (G1142)

1) a god, a goddess

a) an inferior deity, whether good or bad

2) in the NT, an evil spirit


Interesting, since Jesus said: "Is it not written that ye are gods?" Right?

But what is even more interesting is that in Classical Greek, the middle voice is often reflexive, denoting that the subject acts on or for itself.



eaglesway

Quote from: crescent moon on April 23, 2010, 04:21:57 AM
Okay...I see what all are saying about Satan being an "adversary."
Then what of all the Scriptures of demons being cast out of people...demon possession, etc?
Please be patient with me, I come from a very Pentecostal background...a background where I was taught watching anything 'demonic' or witchcraft related can open my life up to such influences and eventually possess me.
I know, I know!  Many are laughing as they read this! 
I can also remember ministry experiences on the mission field where I KNOW I came in contact with forces, witches (whatever you want to call them).  Was all that in my head?  Are we saying those thing don't exist or that, in Jesus' name, we have power over them?  If it's all bologna, should I still be entertained by it...my heart still says 'no'.  BUT I can see how not buying into these beliefs can free me from a certain letter of the Law ingrained in me by the 'religious.'

I would like to read any input, especially coming from those of you have come from a similar background and how this has been worked out in your mind and hearts.

I am still sooooo new to UR and all the new things God is teaching me BUT still soooo ingrained with the doctrines I had pounded into the very fiber of my being! Soooo bound up by traditions of men!
Lord Jesus, please free me from all that is not true freedom in You!  Teach me to worship you in spirit and truth!


I have believed in UR for a long time. My education in the wisdom of God is growing as I continue to seek Him. I believe that satan is the devil, the adversary, one of the sons of God, the ruler of the hosts of wickedness in the heavenly realms, the spirit that now works in the sons of disobedience. I have cast out demons, recently- I believe they are real, not just elements of our fallen nature. Although Pentecostalism has many imbalances and man-made traditions, not everything you learned there is false. Also, many on these boards come from backgrounds where they received teachings and traditions that they still carry and promote as a part and parcel of UR. Others have gone beyond what is written into speculations that they teach as doctrine. I might be such a person myself, who knows :dontknow:! I would counsel you to move slowly, read carefully, pray fervently - trust the Teacher. Test all things by the Word, the scriptures are what led me to UR, and the Holy Spirit will lead you and guide you into all truth.
The Logos is complete, but it is not completely understood. http://www.hell-is-a-myth.webs.com/

Nathan

As I've been in the process of being transformed in my own thinking from religion to relief through the incrimental wooing and calling of the deep, I'm more inclined to give caution to my personal interpretation of what my translation of Scripture is saying and stand back from asserting a mental image of what I "think" is to be truth, and let the nature of Truth reveal itself.

Obviously don't have all the answers and when you're dealing with demons and the devil, it's tough to share intimate things on an open forum because there's always going to be people out there who will take issue with your personal experiences in one fashion or another. 

I too have dealt with the "demonic" on both sides.  I've had things delivered from me, and I've assisted others in being delivered.  So I'm not trying to denounce the importance.  We all have the same goal here, or at least from where I'm at, I perceive this to be true.  We all want to know what is truth.  The confusion comes when "a" truth is received by many who are at different levels of relationship with the Father.

We just put a fire pit in our back yard this year.  I have twin sons who are 5.  They love to roast marshmellows.  I've learned I can tell them and tell them "Do not get too close to the fire, you'll get burned".  But to a five year old, even though they have perfect hearing, they don't hear a word you say once the fire is going and there's a stick in their hand.  We can have 20 people of different ages around the fire and I can say that one warning to all of them and each of them will respond to the warning according to their age.

It's a long winded way of saying that when dealing with demons and devils, we all respond differently to this because we're all at different places of relationship with the Father.  It's not that I don't believe demons and devils exist.  For me, it's their origin that has changed.  I think that 99.9% of all of my issues originate in the mind of man and manifest to various levels within the mind of man.  Our minds perceive truth according to our levels of experiences.  Truth never changes, it's only our perspectives of Truth that change.  Religion has ingrained so much junk in me that I now use caution to pretty much everything I learned and experienced in tradition.

In the end, the crown Jesus wore to the cross, for me, signifies that the curse of the mind has been dealt with in the flesh as well as in the spirit.  But because we are still living in these earthly bodies, we are still in subjection to the laws of this realm.  which is to say that we are still at different levels of growth in these spiritual truths.  We still have to go through the process of maturity, which means we continue to see one truth on different plains.

eaglesway

I liked that post Nathan. I believe that the vast majority of our bondages are healed through the renewing of the mind, fellowship, forgiveness and prayer. The elevation of the demonic to cover all our ills is definitely an imbalance of truth-which is the nature of most deception. I think it is just as unwise to swing to the other extreme and dismiss things the scripture express plainly, as if our education in physcology or typology or mythology has exceeded the wisdom of the Narrator of the logos. So many truths become lies when the excesses of the carnal mind are applied to them. peace, John
The Logos is complete, but it is not completely understood. http://www.hell-is-a-myth.webs.com/

thinktank

Theres good reasons for the lack of mention about Satan in the bible and that is the less we know about him the better, not because of ignorance but because, there is no reason to dwell upon evil.

If one studies the bible one can draw many truths about Satan, how he works etc. A lot of churches dismiss this being, they would rather come up with their own ideas, rather than learn from the bible.

If someone wants to know more about the devil please send me a personal message and I'll direct you to a site that has extensive teachings on the subject.

peacemaker

The Hebrew term for Satan merely describes an adversarial role, and an accuser (devil)
is known for his unrighteous disposition. "You will meet many adversities in this life."

peacemaker

thinktank

satan likes it when we don't recognize that he exists, you cannot fight someone that you don't see, Christ gave us power over this being for a reason, to go and preach the gospel and casting out demons being just one of the works commanded to do in Jesus name.

willieH

Quote from: thinktank on July 13, 2010, 07:59:36 PM
satan likes it when we don't recognize that he exists, you cannot fight someone that you don't see, Christ gave us power over this being for a reason, to go and preach the gospel and casting out demons being just one of the works commanded to do in Jesus name.

  • (1)  If you would, please prove "satan" to be a "he"?
  • (2)  If you would, please explain why Eve could see this "serpent" and talk to "him" and WE cannot?
  • (3)  If you would, please note "DEMONS" in the Scriptures
  • (4)  Where is found, the "command" to "cast out demons"?

There is not even ONE Scripture which notes "satan" as a ..."being"... that I have found, could you also QUOTE even ONE for me?

When CHRIST is living in the LIFE... it is not some mythical "being" that has been "overcome"... rather it is our own "SELF" oriented WILL that "steps down" -- Gal 2:20 -- which "self will" JESUS did not ever give place to... as He always did the WILL of the Father -- John 5:19,30

So when we follow Him by submitting to the WORD, then we are no longer employing our own "will", we are employing the WILL and COMMAND of YHVH within our actions and words, as did JESUS...

No mythical being called "satan" has been dispensed... rather, it is our WILL  which is that which is dispensed, for it is the "WILL" of man that is ADVERSE to the COMMAND of the WORD, of YHVH!

It is the CARNAL "will" within the heart of man which is "DECEITFUL above ALL THINGS, and desparately WICKED" -- Jer 17:9 -- and which operates in the flesh, succumbing to the desires of the flesh -- Rom 8:14-18 -- that is indeed that which is brought into submission by the WORD/CHRIST, not some imagined fairy tale of a "red guy" with a "pitchfork" which has charge of a mythical "kingdom" called "hell"... :mnah:

Religious theologies have taken the sin in the Garden, and have erected the "devil made me do it" / "pass the buck" --- excuses for CARNAL decisions made from "promptings" of the FLESH via the "WILL" of SELF, which TRANSGRESSES that which has been COMMANDED by the SPIRIT of YHVH -- Gen 2:17

One can observe Eve's experience, and see that ALL the temptations she succumbed to were fallen to the curious promptings of her own flesh -- Gen 2:6 --

(1) lust of the eye = [the fruit was pleasant to the EYES] 
(2) lust of the flesh = [the fruit was good for FOOD]
(3) Accompanied by the youthful/childish and DOUBTFILLED notion that death would not overcome her "life" -- pride of life = [assuming in eating the fruit, she would NOT surely DIE] --

So under all these SELF oriented and DECEITFUL deductions of her OWN HEART, she indeed ate of the tree which contained this mysterious "knowledge" which she did not possess --->

1 John 2:16 --- These 3 principles are they which CHRIST overcame... for they are the comprising of "the WORLD", and are NOT "of the Father"...

This process is the SAME working process of SIN has occured in everyone, ever since...  :dontknow:  There is no "personage" that appears to a man, when a beautiful woman walks before him, that "whispers unto him" -- "hey, check out that chick" -- this is a manifestation of the inherent DECEIT which prevails in the HEART of men (and women)... which is NATURALLY FIRST -- 1 Cor 15:46 -- and is unconverted, unrevealed, uninspired, and completely WITHIN THE FLESH...  :sigh:

Man has been ceaselessly obsessed since the very beginning of time, and will be consumed of that obsession until the very end... which is the "gaining of knowledge" he/she does not yet have...  :dontknow:

It was NOT via the promptings of a mythical IMMENSELY POWERFUL talking "snake"... which has NEVER BEEN SEEN AGAIN!!!   

Rather it was Eve's own thoughts, that were indeed, NOT found to be IN THE CAPTIVITY of CHRIST/Command of the WORD -- 2 Cor 10:5 -- which "captivity" in turn, is IN SUBMISSION to YHVH at all times -- John 8:29

JESUS did not ever succumb to His own "will", for He always DID the will of YHVH -- Matt 4:4

And when the promptings of His own "will"/flesh --- tempted Him to seek otherwise, ...He wisely remained submitted unto the WILL of YHVH unto death... dispensing the proposal of His own "will" (which indeed was the "tempter") -- and had which prompted Him to ask that the cup might pass -- Luke 22:42 -- the cup did NOT pass... so the "will" of CHRIST which he made known, was not manifest... rather the WILL of YHVH indeed was manifest...

...willieH  :cloud9:

SQ

I just now read Matthew Chapter 4 verses thru 11 this being Satan seems to be real, or else Jesus was wrestling and talking to himself.. :dontknow:

willieH

Quote from: SQ on July 14, 2010, 12:56:45 AM
I just now read Matthew Chapter 4 verses thru 11 this being Satan seems to be real, or else Jesus was wrestling and talking to himself.. :dontknow:

No one is saying that "satan" (adversity) is not real... just not a sentient being with an agenda that is OMNIPRESENT.

At a dance you see a cute girl, and say silently to yourself, "should I ask her to dance"? ...who are you speaking to?

When you come up to a stop sign, and you have the option of turning left or right, and you say aloud... "which way should I go?" ...who are you talking to? :dunno:

Or if you are by yourself at your computer, thinking of going to a concert, and there is an additional $20 a seat to sit closer to the stage, ...and you say "hmmm... which seats should I buy"?  ...who are you talking to?

That YOU and I are able to think and speak to ourselves, even correct ourselves... or suggest to ourselves... what makes you think CHRIST did not experience this as a human being?  :dontknow:


...willieH  :cloud9:

peacemaker

Quote from: SQ on July 14, 2010, 12:56:45 AM
I just now read Matthew Chapter 4 verses thru 11 this being Satan seems to be real, or else Jesus was wrestling and talking to himself.. :dontknow:

...or with that of another person?

And he (an accuser) led Him to Jerusalem, and having Him stand on the pinnacle of the temple said to Him,

"If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down from here..."

Man-made stone temples. 

peacemaker

SQ

I had not thought of that before thanks,I will read with that perspective in mind.  :thumbsup:

SQ

Thanks WillyH I understand now,I appreciate you and others persisting to help others like myself to understand.
A load lifited!!  :cloud9:

Molly

Satan is no part of Jesus even in his human state.

Jesus tells us that satan has no part of him.

How can satan cast out satan?


John 14:30 (King James Version)

30Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.


In Mat 4:10 Jesus tells satan to "Go away."    Is he telling a part of himself to leave?

No.  Satan is real, he has a kingdom here on earth, and only the light of Christ casts him out.



John 12:31
31 Now is the judgment of this world; now will the ruler of this world be cast out.



LS

Quote from: Molly on July 14, 2010, 08:23:13 AM
Satan is no part of Jesus even in his human state.

Jesus tells us that satan has no part of him.

How can satan cast out satan?


John 14:30 (King James Version)

30Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.


In Mat 4:10 Jesus tells satan to "Go away."    Is he telling a part of himself to leave?

No.  Satan is real, he has a kingdom here on earth, and only the light of Christ casts him out.



John 12:31
31 Now is the judgment of this world; now will the ruler of this world be cast out.



:iagree:

willieH

willieH: Hi Molly... :hithere:

Quote from: Molly on July 14, 2010, 08:23:13 AM
Satan is no part of Jesus even in his human state.

I think it is your observation/belief, of what "satan" IS... that forms the essence of this statement... and it avoids the fact that ADVERSITY did in fact approach CHRIST, and DID tempt Him (AS -- IT does us), while He lived within the FLESH... as has IT appeared to, and in ALL men, ...amongst which He is numbered.

He was TEMPTED ...as are we -- Heb 4:15 -- I, personally, have never ONCE, had any "being" or "talking snake" ...called "satan" ever approach me, and attempt to ensnare me in sin. :mnah:

As do many -- even most, ...you [presently] believe "satan" to be a "personage or being"... which is NOT what "satan" IS...

"satan" is simply the Hebrew word which describes, that which is ADVERSARY or ADVERSE to holiness, and to the COMMAND of YHVH...  It is a principality/power that must be overcome within us... not a victory over an external, and IMMENSELY POWERFUL, OMNIPRESENT, "fallen angel"... which is invisible and inaudible to us... :mnah:

The Apostle Paul notes his own personal battle to be with his FLESH, not with a "being" called "satan" -- Rom 8 -- "satan" is not even mentioned in this entire personal confessional of Paul... rather, the FLESH is that which the SPIRIT (within us) does battle, not some theologically/religiously invented external "being"...

That JESUS expressed the desire that the "cup pass" and then in conjunction, insisted upon the WILL of YHVH to be done (and in manifestation,  the "cup" did not "pass") --- displays that the desire of JESUS that the "cup pass" -- which DID NOT take place, was indeed ADVERSE to the actual manifestation of the WILL of YHVH... which DID take place.

That does not mean that JESUS purposed conscious adversity to YHVH... it means that the flesh in which He resided, He DID NOT KNOW that the possibility was or was not available for the "cup to pass"... and therefore asked it to be considered, yet firmly stated that if this "possibility" was not in line with the WILL of YHVH, that it be dispensed of.

Though CHRIST did not purpose adversity... does not remove the fact that the request He made WAS ADVERSE to the WILL of YHVH, and was dispensed of accordingly... also, per His request...

Quote from: Molly on July 14, 2010, 08:23:13 AMJesus tells us that satan has no part of him.

How can satan cast out satan?

John 14:30 (King James Version)

30Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

"satan" cannot cast out "satan", for "satan" is not sentient.  Man, via submission to the WORD and WILL of God, casts out "satan"...

ADVERSITY did not appear in the life and work of CHRIST, however... It did approach Him and His mind... as His flesh, in which is found the proposing of the adversity of SIN, also ...proposed IT [adversity] to Him...

As CHRIST overcame the prompting desires of His flesh... He displayed that though He was IN sinful flesh, IT had no power over Him, neither would IT have "part" in His doings.

Quote from: Molly on July 14, 2010, 08:23:13 AMIn Mat 4:10 Jesus tells satan to "Go away."    Is he telling a part of himself to leave?

Let me say this... I had surgery... and due to deep distress within it while in recovery, I vocally instructed the PAIN to "go away"... shall indeed my "pain", be considered a "being", on the basis that I instructed IT to "go away"?   

Also, CHRIST specifically ADDRESSED Peter as "satan"... if we are observing within your perspective, then CHRIST was speaking the VERY SAME STATEMENT as He did in -- Matt 4:10 -- to His CHOSEN Apostle upon which He also notes He would "build His church"! -- Mark 8:33 

Let's face it Molly... Though you are welcome to believe what you like, ...Peter was not and IS NOT "satan", ...rather, that which CHRIST in both these instances was addressing, was that ADVERSE information and suggestion, depart from Him.

JESUS is speaking in terms of information made available to Him... In Matt 4:10 -- CHRIST is directing the THOUGHT of adversity to "go away"... He is not saying that adversity cannot approach Him... (which it did)... and give Him opportunity to succumb to it...

Quote from: Molly on July 14, 2010, 08:23:13 AMNo.  Satan is real, he has a kingdom here on earth, and only the light of Christ casts him out.

As I said, in my opening comment to you... this stated perception is the foundation for what you believe concerning WHAT "satan" ...is... and is that which is subject to question.  :dontknow:

Quote from: Molly on July 14, 2010, 08:23:13 AMJohn 12:31
31 Now is the judgment of this world; now will the ruler of this world be cast out.

The "ruler" of this world is the ADVERSITY present in man, which transgresses the COMMAND of God... MEN rule this world, not an imaginary, invisible, inaudible, omnipresent evil "being", which men in their demented state have invented to blame, for their own obstinate and self imposed, indescretions... which have produced the myriad sorrows that we find documented in history, and which are availing themselves in the present, and which are also, unfortunately...  :sigh: ...yet to come... :pitiful:

JESUS dispensed of ADVERSITY concerning the ultimate destiny of MAN, within the manifestation of OBEDIENCE to the COMMAND and WILL of YHVH, within His life, thereby "casting it out"... and thereby positioning Himself as the past, present and future, JUDGE of ADVERSITY, for He did not partake in IT...

...willieH  :cloud9:

Molly

#69
Ephesians 2:2
Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:



"the course" [of this world]

αἰών
aiōn
ahee-ohn'
From the same as G104; properly an age; by extension perpetuity (also past); by implication the world; specifically (Jewish) a Messianic period (present or future): - age, course, eternal, (for) ever (-more), [n-]ever, (beginning of the, while the) world (began, without end). Compare G5550.


Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins -- or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom -- Lucifer.

--Saul Alinksy, Rules for Radicals



James 4:7
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.


"resist" [the devil]

G436
ανθίστημι
anthistēmi
anth-is'-tay-mee
From G473 and G2476; to stand against, that is, oppose: - resist, withstand.




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LS

Quote from: Molly on July 15, 2010, 07:36:00 AM
Ephesians 2:2
Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

"the course" [of this world]

αἰών
aiōn
ahee-ohn'
From the same as G104; properly an age; by extension perpetuity (also past); by implication the world; specifically (Jewish) a Messianic period (present or future): - age, course, eternal, (for) ever (-more), [n-]ever, (beginning of the, while the) world (began, without end). Compare G5550.

James 4:7
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

"resist" [the devil]

G436
ανθίστημι
anthistēmi
anth-is'-tay-mee
From G473 and G2476; to stand against, that is, oppose: - resist, withstand.
Great post, Molly.

I was reading 1 Chron 21 this morning and looked up a commentary about the use of "Satan" in the first verse. I thought this was an interesting comparison ...

This is the first instance in Scripture where Satan is referred to and actually given a name. In Job he is referred to as "the adversary." Here there is no definite article ("the") and "Satan" now becomes his name. In other words, just as Hebrew names describe a situation or relationship, Satan's name describes his nature.

This is also true of the Messiah. Throughout Scripture He is referred to as "the Anointed One". But in Daniel, and from that time forward, the definite article ("the") is dropped and He is simply referred to as "Messiah." He has become His name which reflects His nature.


I believe satan is a spiritual entity, and not just our own thoughts. We know Jesus is Messiah, come in the flesh. Why wouldn't satan also be an entity separate from "self?"


WhiteWings

I just looked up all instances of "advesary"
The Hebrew is often diffrent from what you read in KJV
Often Advesary is NOT satan

KJVExo 23:22 But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.
KJV1Sa 1:6 And her adversary also provoked her sore, for to make her fret, because the LORD had shut up her womb.

6887 rr;c' tsarar {tsaw-rar'}
Meaning:  1) to bind, be narrow, be in distress, make narrow, cause distress, besiege, be straitened, be bound 1a) (Qal) 1a1) to bind, tie up, shut up 1a2) to be scant, be cramped, be in straits 1b) (Pual) to be bound, be tied up 1c) (Hiphil) 1c1) to make narrow for, cause distress to, press hard upon 1c2) to suffer distress 2) to show hostility toward, vex 1a) (Qal) 1a1) to show hostility toward, treat with enmity, vex, harass 1a2) vexer, harasser (participle)


KJVEst 7:6 And Esther said, The adversary and enemy is this wicked Haman. Then Haman was afraid before the king and the queen.
0376 vyai 'iysh {eesh}
Meaning:  1) man 1a) man, male (in contrast to woman, female) 1b) husband 1c) human being, person (in contrast to God) 1d) servant 1e) mankind 1f) champion 1g) great man 2) whosoever 3) each (adjective)
Origin:  contracted for 0582 [or perhaps rather from an unused root meaning to be extant]; TWOT - 83a; n m


QuoteThis is the first instance in Scripture where Satan is referred to and actually given a name.
That's not correct. The first one (I found) is in Numbers.
KJVNum 22:22 And God's anger was kindled because he went: and the angel of the LORD stood in the way for an adversary against him. Now he was riding upon his ass, and his two servants were with him.
KJV1Sa 29:4 And the princes of the Philistines were wroth with him; and the princes of the Philistines said unto him, Make this fellow return, that he may go again to his place which thou hast appointed him, and let him not go down with us to battle, lest in the battle he be an adversary to us: for wherewith should he reconcile himself unto his master? should it not be with the heads of these men?
KJV1Ki 5:4 But now the LORD my God hath given me rest on every side, so that there is neither adversary nor evil occurrent.
<and more verses...>
In Hebrew it's Satan
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

Molly

The apostle Paul refers to himself as 'one born out of due time.'[1Cor 15:9]

"one born out of due time"
G1626
ἔκτρωμα
ektrōma
ek'-tro-mah
From a compound of G1537 and τιτρώσκω titrōskō (to wound); a miscarriage (abortion), that is, (by analogy) untimely birth: - born out of due time.


He has his own reasons for saying this, but how many of us have felt the same way?

Question:

Are we still in the age that is ruled by Satan--the age referred to in this scripture?

Ephesians 2:2 (Amplified Bible)
2In which at one time you walked [habitually]. You were following the course and fashion of this world [were under the sway of the tendency of this present age], following the prince of the power of the air. [You were obedient to and under the control of] the [demon] spirit that still constantly works in the sons of disobedience [the careless, the rebellious, and the unbelieving, who go against the purposes of God].



Are we thus also literally born out of due time?  Born first into an age whose default position is to follow or be greatly influenced by the demon spirit of Satan and, then, born again from above?

It certainly would explain a lot.

   





Cardinal

 :cloud9: I'm not following you, Molly.... :dontknow:
"I would rather train twenty men to pray, than a thousand to preach; A minister's highest mission ought to be to teach his people to pray." -H. MacGregor