Soul food?

[Nathan]

I don't remember who it was earlier this week that shared their impression of how they see the soul by using the colored glass plates analogy.  I tried going back in some of the conversations and looking for it, but I can't find who it was.  But I want to thank you, whoever you are . .. that little insight has touched me deeply and it's led to something even deeper in me.

Our discussion surrounding whether or not Saul actually had a witch bring Samuel back from the dead, on the surface, may have seemed to have been a dead end in that I personally, never did come to see it to be anything other than what Scripture was stating, but that discussion led me to a realization that my belief in what a soul is, was not through a personal experience of my own understanding .. . in other words, God didn't "reveal" to me inwardly that my soul is my mind, will and emotions.  That belief was one that had been ingrained in me from my up-bringing.  It was a trojan-horse doctrine in me.

When I first realized that was the case, I immediately loosened my grip on the idea and felt it drift off of me.  For some time, I was there with no understanding at all because "that" had been my understanding, but once I let it go, it felt like I was standing in an empty room . . .there was nothing in there that illuminated anything to me about what my soul actually was.

Then someone put out that glass plate analogy and sparks began to fly.  It's a great introductory . .it's a threshold into the room of the soul in the Father's house that Jesus spoke about going ahead and preparing a place for us.  Up until the beginning of this week, there was no place for me in this room because it never occurred to me that my understanding was an ingrained one and not one that was spiritually birthed.

So as I started rolling the glass plates over and just hovered over the face of the deep with them.  . .I began seeing a connection between that analogy and this one . . .

I saw an empty room . .white walls, but bare and no furniture . ..just me and nothing.  This went on for a time and then the bright illumination of light appeared . . .even though now there are two things in the room . . .me and this light . . . a third thing was actually manifesting.  Know what it was?  Before light . . .just me . .. with light, me and this other thing . . .before . .nothing . ..after . . .it's back again. 

can you see it yet?  Know what it is??  It's your shadow.  it's in the exact image as you are.  It follows your every move.  If you have other objects now in the room, it doesn't matter, it still follows the contours of "you" as the light shines on you.  It always "appears" larger than you.  At it's smallest point, it's "actual size".  It's always on the opposite side of you as the light.  It's always "beneath" your feet.  It's belly is always "upon the ground".  It's always at "dust" level.  The brighter the light becomes, the more defined it gets.  It's at it's greatest proportion at sunset (Rest) and sunrise (resurrection). 

But for it to be present, 'you" must be in direct light.  If you walk in or under clouds, it disappears.  This is the nature of the soul of man.  To me anyway . . .now, in this light, what Scriptures come to you in reference to shadows?

Yea, though I walk through the SHADOW of death . . .is not the mind of man always "at enmity" against God?  Soulishness is in the shadows of men.  Interesting thing about my soul though . . .it's a shadow like Peter Pan's . . .remember that little kiddy story?  It all started with him trying to catch his shadow.  Men who walk according to their minds have lost their shadows . . .they walk under clouds . . there is no direct illumination/revelation from the Father.  They are still in "disorder".  When Jesus told Peter "Get thee behind me, Satan" he was realigning Peter's soulish nature . . .he was putting his shadow back beneath his feet. 

2 Corinthians 10 "Take captive your thoughts" . . .putting your soul back in to it's proper alignment.  Just as Eve is in the same form as Adam, she represents the soul of Man as Adam represents the spriit of man . . .so the shadow is in the same form as man as it also represents the soul of man.  When the lights go out . . .the shadow no longer manifests.  It's the evidence that light is shining upon the body.

My soul is the evidence that my spirit is dwelling in this body.  It's the manifestation of the "oneness" in my body and spirit.  When this spirit leaves this body, my soul no longer manifests . . .which really brings to a greater life the importance of us receiving our "glorified" bodies that Paul speaks of. 

Ever wonder why "that" was important?  If I'm already in heaven as a spirit, why do I need a body?  Because "I' am three-dimensional in the same likeness as my Father.  He is God in the Father/Son/Spirit and I am his Son in body/soul/spirit.  When The Spirit of God manifests in the body of Jesus, the authority of Father God manifests.

This also brings to life of Peter's shadow healing the sick . . .it goes on and on.

[thinktank]

I don't remember who it was earlier this week that shared their impression of how they see the soul by using the colored glass plates analogy.  I tried going back in some of the conversations and looking for it, but I can't find who it was.  But I want to thank you, whoever you are . .. that little insight has touched me deeply and it's led to something even deeper in me.

Our discussion surrounding whether or not Saul actually had a witch bring Samuel back from the dead, on the surface, may have seemed to have been a dead end in that I personally, never did come to see it to be anything other than what Scripture was stating, but that discussion led me to a realization that my belief in what a soul is, was not through a personal experience of my own understanding .. . in other words, God didn't "reveal" to me inwardly that my soul is my mind, will and emotions.  That belief was one that had been ingrained in me from my up-bringing.  It was a trojan-horse doctrine in me.

When I first realized that was the case, I immediately loosened my grip on the idea and felt it drift off of me.  For some time, I was there with no understanding at all because "that" had been my understanding, but once I let it go, it felt like I was standing in an empty room . . .there was nothing in there that illuminated anything to me about what my soul actually was.

Then someone put out that glass plate analogy and sparks began to fly.  It's a great introductory . .it's a threshold into the room of the soul in the Father's house that Jesus spoke about going ahead and preparing a place for us.  Up until the beginning of this week, there was no place for me in this room because it never occurred to me that my understanding was an ingrained one and not one that was spiritually birthed.

So as I started rolling the glass plates over and just hovered over the face of the deep with them.  . .I began seeing a connection between that analogy and this one . . .

I saw an empty room . .white walls, but bare and no furniture . ..just me and nothing.  This went on for a time and then the bright illumination of light appeared . . .even though now there are two things in the room . . .me and this light . . . a third thing was actually manifesting.  Know what it was?  Before light . . .just me . .. with light, me and this other thing . . .before . .nothing . ..after . . .it's back again. 

can you see it yet?  Know what it is??  It's your shadow.  it's in the exact image as you are.  It follows your every move.  If you have other objects now in the room, it doesn't matter, it still follows the contours of "you" as the light shines on you.  It always "appears" larger than you.  At it's smallest point, it's "actual size".  It's always on the opposite side of you as the light.  It's always "beneath" your feet.  It's belly is always "upon the ground".  It's always at "dust" level.  The brighter the light becomes, the more defined it gets.  It's at it's greatest proportion at sunset (Rest) and sunrise (resurrection). 

But for it to be present, 'you" must be in direct light.  If you walk in or under clouds, it disappears.  This is the nature of the soul of man.  To me anyway . . .now, in this light, what Scriptures come to you in reference to shadows?

Interesting story, I enjoyed reading about your revelation. It's good that you humbled yourself and admit that you had a 'trojan horse doctrine' lol, just shows that discussing on a forum like this does open people to certain truths, because sometimes we think that discussion can be a waste of time, but then I have to ask myself whether I am discussing in order to try and make people believe what I believe to be true or discussing what God says is true. But sometimes truth can take a long time and sometimes many years for certain people to receive and the ET doctrine is one such doctrine - so readers don't despair if ET believers don't respond quickly :Sparkletooth:

[micah7:9]

Nathan your post was a blessing. Thank you. Praise the Lord!
It is true that we all speak of "soul" as if there is a separate enitiy inside of our body that is called "the soul." Not true.

Without the spirit there is NO SOUL. Without the body there is NO SOUL.

Take a blue piece of transparent plastic or cellophane. Place it half way over a same size piece of yellow cellophane. You will have blue on one side, yellow, on the other side, and GREEN in the middle.

The blue is the body,the yellow is the spirit, and the GREEN IS THE SOUL. Notice that there is NO SOUL without the blue body and the yellow spirit.

Separate the blue and yellow cellophane and the GREEN soul
disappears. This is exactly how the human soul must be combined with a body and spirit, or IT DOES NOT EVEN EXIST.
They are very closely related and appear to overlap, but
there are distinctions between soul and spirit. Understood?
Good.  (L.Ray Smith)

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: I enjoyed parts of this post Nate, but I just can't agree with all of it.....can I disagree if I'm not disagreeable?  :girlheart:

Gen.4:10 And he said , What hast thou done ? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground. 11 And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;

Notice that the blood crieth from the GROUND, and the earth OPENED HER MOUTH to receive it. The word there for "mouth", aside from the obvious, means, an opening, orifice of a well or RIVER, and not coincidentally, a WEIGHT equal to 1/3 of a shekel.

It took FIVE shekels to redeem the firstborn sons. They were silver (silver speaks of redemption) and this speaks of a 5 fingered hand of God to bring about redemption, working in unity IN HIM, AS HIM.

Since we are spirit, soul, and a body that came from the earth, that 1/3 of a shekel weight here, is the body whose soul/blood cries out after being "swallowed" (DESCENDING) by the "earth". Remember what I said in the other thread about "whose god is their BELLIES?"

The word for blood there has another word that comes from it, that being ADAM. Remember He called THEIR name Adam. So what part of Abel was crying out from the ground?

Also, the word there in Genesis for "receive" means, to marry, take a wife (SOUL), to be captured, snatch.

The root word that the word mouth comes from, means "to scatter them into corners, to shatter them, and is only used one place, which is this scripture in Deut. 32 I have quoted below.

Deut. 32: 26 I said , I would scatter them into corners , I would make the remembrance of them to cease from among men:

The corners He scattered us to, are as the 4 parts of our soul, the solution for which is to be tied down to the 4 corners of the altar. This is the same as 4 corners of the earth where He said He would call them in from.

Those parts of us are called, from us moving and having our being expressed thru them, to moving and having our being expressed and centered in Christ, as we when we were one with Him in the foundation, as a man is one with his wife.

Rev. 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held : 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying , How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as *they were, should be fulfilled.

Notice also, that these "dead" SOULS, cried out from under the altar.....Blessings....

[micah7:9]

Notice that the blood crieth from the GROUND, and the earth OPENED HER MOUTH to receive it. The word there for "mouth", aside from the obvious, means, an opening, orifice of a well or RIVER, and not coincidentally, a WEIGHT equal to 1/3 of a shekel.

What?
"Mouth"  Gen. 4:11 H6310
פּה
peh
peh
From H6284; the mouth (as the means of blowing), whether literally or figuratively (particularly speech); specifically edge, portion or side; adverbially (with preposition) according to: - accord (-ing as, -ing to), after, appointment, assent, collar, command (-ment), X eat, edge, end, entry, + file, hole, X in, mind, mouth, part, portion, X (should) say (-ing), sentence, skirt, sound, speech, X spoken, talk, tenor, X to, + two-edged, wish, word.

[micah7:9]

What?

"Receive"  Gen. 4:11  H3947
לקח
lâqach
law-kakh'
A primitive root; to take (in the widest variety of applications): - accept, bring, buy, carry away, drawn, fetch, get, infold, X many, mingle, place, receive (-ing), reserve, seize, send for, take (away, -ing, up), use, win.
I am sorry but I dont see what you say. Most of the time I understand, but I must be lacking in some way. Peace and Love Through Jesus

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Hi Micah....KJV Strongs

Mouth = 06310
peh     
mouth
mouth (of man)
mouth (as organ of speech)
mouth (of animals)
mouth, opening, orifice (of a well, river, etc)
extremity, end pim
a weight equal to one third of a shekel

The root word of that word =
Pa'ah - 06284
to cleave in pieces, break into pieces, shatter
to cleave in pieces, dash to pieces
scatter into corners

Receive =
Laqach - 03947
to take, get, fetch, lay hold of, seize, receive, acquire, buy, bring, marry, take a wife, snatch, take away 

[Nathan]

The only piece of this I can speak to Card, is the souls beneath the altar . . .there's one piece to that you've left out . . . their not just dead souls, they are "martyred" souls. 

For me, not being a literalist, but a dimensionalist for those who are labelists . . .I see these martyred souls actually, this place is where my old man goes when "I" willingly kill it . . .thus the martyrdom.  All they want in vengeance . . .that's still the nature of soulishness.  And they are one, clothed in white linen . . .which for me means they're purified, two, instructed not to wait, but to "rest" a little longer . . something the old man could never do when it was alive in me . . .

As to the blood crying out from the ground . . .there's no indication that the blood is the soul . . .life is in the blood and for me, life is spirit, not soul.

Bottom line for me here though is this . . .the one thing about having a personal relationship with the Father is that  . . .if you have one, I let you have it.  If I intervene with your personal relationship, then how can it continue to be personal to you if I interfere.  That's the beauty about being in the body of Christ, we all see things a bit differently even though we are a part of the same body.

Being the same, seeing things exactly the same . . . it drowns out the "peculiar" part of who we are.  You may very well be right.  What I'm seeing may not be dead on yet . . .This thing I see doesn't mean I've arrived, it means I'm seeing things more clearly than before.  I'm growing "into" it and will hopefully continue to grow.

It's just that right now, what I've shared is what I'm seeing "today".  there's always room for it to continue to shift and rearrange in me.  As it does, I can continue to share that out as well and we all hopefully can benefit from it.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: I understand that Nate, but I'm "where" I'm at too and this is what I see that I'M sharing.....so that HE can water it and give the increase in due season. It's not that I'm trying to be contentious; I personally don't care what anyone believes apart from my desire that has lined up with His in wanting to see HIS purpose done in the earth(s), as it's not my Seed, not my "gardens", not even my "water", technically.  :winkgrin:

This is where it's tough to discern the motive of the heart, I know. The net doesn't make it any easier, either. That said, please don't take offense if I continue to share, ok?

I know they were martyred, or put simply they willingly laid down their lives on the altar. The whole purpose of it all is for Him to create "virgin souls", those ARE the white "robes" (the soul is the "robe" for the Spirit) and the, "both individual and collective brides", He "returns" for.

Let me explain. The foundation of the eclesia (which is His body which is SPIRIT) is built upon the foundation of the apostle and prophet, right? I've shared part of this before, but one of them(Elijah/wine/prophet) is represented as one cherubim on the ark of the covenant, and the other one is the other cherubim (Moses/bread/apostle) on the ark. It takes both for true communion, ie. true fellowship with God on the level THEY had in the garden.

So the apostle and prophet also each have a soul, and He joins the two spiritually after cleansing the souls of each. Joined, it is as ONE WOMAN (soul), and is the woman of Jeremiah, the daughter of ZION. This is why He sent the disciples out in TWO'S.

Zion is the highest mountain, Christ IS the mount of God, a daughter is something produced from ZION/Christ. The saviors that stand upon Mt. Zion are both male and female after the flesh literally, and spiritually as well, ie. spirit and soul in union.


Jeremiah 22:23 KJVA
O inhabitant of Lebanon, that makest thy nest in the cedars, how gracious shalt thou be when pangs come upon thee, the pain as of a woman in travail !

Jeremiah 30:6 KJVA
Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child ? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail , and all faces are turned into paleness?

Jeremiah 31:22 KJVA
How long wilt thou go about , O thou backsliding daughter? for the LORD hath created a new thing in the earth, A woman shall compass a man.

This "woman" is the redeemed soul of each of the two in the foundation, joined as one flesh (celestial/spiritually) and HE/the risen Christ, is the man in their midst.

"She" is the robe of Melchisedek, without beginning or end, without NATURAL father and mother, the RESTORED bride, restored back to when "she" was one with Him as a wife is one with her husband, before the FOUNDATION of the world ie. before being lowered into the bondage of vanity/corruption.

What's more, the city that COMES DOWN (the souls are CAUGHT UP, meeting Him in the air, both male and female after the flesh, yes?), New Jerusalem, has walls of stones doesn't it? It's the EPHOD of this "robe", which has ALL TWELVE STONES on it, that "she" receives after "she" is caught up.

This is why no man can take this honor (High Priest) unto Himself, because it comes DOWN and no man BUT CHRIST (either singular or many membered part of His body) has ascended, but He that first DESCENDED.

He is "building" the pattern again, see it??? The two stones in the robe (go back and read what He gave me about stones again in the lake of fire post) are the twins of Song of Solomon (read ALL of Song of Solomon).

Urim & thummim = Lights and Perfections

Faith produces righteousness which produces Lights.
Love produces judgment which produces perfections.

This is why I keep talking about the soul. Blessings....

[Beloved Servant]

 22 And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubims which are upon the ark of the testimony, of all things which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: AMEN, that is the CLOUD we are to meet Him in, and the place of authority, the God of heaven AND earth, spirit and soul, possessor of heaven AND earth, Elyon. Blessings...

[Beloved Servant]

Elyon. Blessings... :HeartThrob:

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Amen......and a PS. for the previous post. The word there translated COMPASS is also used in Judges where God told them to surround Jericho 7 times. Jericho means, MOON = soul, the woman is the lesser glory, just as the moon is the lesser glory. Jericho was the first city they conquered upon entrance to the promised land.

The walls/spots/wrinkles that have separated us from Him are brought down so that the redeemed soul/robe of Melchisedek, as mentioned above is cleansed to receive the new "walls" ie. the walls of New Jerusalem, the EPHOD.  

God sent JOSHUA (Yahshua) and Rahab, the HARLOT, was saved out that city. Rahab means broad or wide (the path of destruction), but it can also mean to increase, and she did increase as she married/joined herself to Salmon, an ancestor of David and Christ and was commended for her faith in the book of James.

Salmon means, "GARMENT, RAIMENT, OUTER COVERING, MANTLE", he was the father of BOAZ, father in law of Ruth. When He was on the mount His RAIMENT was white as snow. Kinda goes along with our sins are as scarlet, but He will make them white as snow, doesn't it?

Matthew 28:3 KJV
His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:

And He DESCENDS with a SHOUT (the walls fell with blast of the trumpets) of the voice of the archangel, Father, we give You praise. Come, Lord, come. Blessings...

[Beloved Servant]

 
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

[Beloved Servant]

17 And I perceived another messenger, standing in the sun. And he cries with a loud voice, saying to all the birds which are flying in mid-heaven, "Hither! Be gathered for the great dinner of God,

[micah7:9]

:cloud9: I enjoyed parts of this post Nate, but I just can't agree with all of it.....can I disagree if I'm not disagreeable?  :girlheart:

Gen.4:10 And he said , What hast thou done ? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground. 11 And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;

Notice that the blood crieth from the GROUND, and the earth OPENED HER MOUTH to receive it. The word there for "mouth", aside from the obvious, means, an opening, orifice of a well or RIVER, and not coincidentally, a WEIGHT equal to 1/3 of a shekel.

It took FIVE shekels to redeem the firstborn sons. They were silver (silver speaks of redemption) and this speaks of a 5 fingered hand of God to bring about redemption, working in unity IN HIM, AS HIM.

Since we are spirit, soul, and a body that came from the earth, that 1/3 of a shekel weight here, is the body whose soul/blood cries out after being "swallowed" (DESCENDING) by the "earth". Remember what I said in the other thread about "whose god is their BELLIES?"

The word for blood there has another word that comes from it, that being ADAM. Remember He called THEIR name Adam. So what part of Abel was crying out from the ground?

Also, the word there in Genesis for "receive" means, to marry, take a wife (SOUL), to be captured, snatch.

The root word that the word mouth comes from, means "to scatter them into corners, to shatter them, and is only used one place, which is this scripture in Deut. 32 I have quoted below.

Deut. 32: 26 I said , I would scatter them into corners , I would make the remembrance of them to cease from among men:

The corners He scattered us to, are as the 4 parts of our soul, the solution for which is to be tied down to the 4 corners of the altar. This is the same as 4 corners of the earth where He said He would call them in from.

Those parts of us are called, from us moving and having our being expressed thru them, to moving and having our being expressed and centered in Christ, as we when we were one with Him in the foundation, as a man is one with his wife.

Rev. 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held : 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying , How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as *they were, should be fulfilled.

Notice also, that these "dead" SOULS, cried out from under the altar.....Blessings....

I am at a loss to understanding any of this, should I be sorry for my ignorance? I pray for the understanding of this soul teaching.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Micah, go back and read what we've talked about on this. In the word, when you read anything that appears to pertain to the bride, church, woman, "read" it in your  mind as the "soul" of man. There are layers of understanding in the Word.

Begin in Genesis, where He said male and female made He them. They were BOTH made male/spirit and female/soul. Blessings....

[micah7:9]

I have went back and read and Im afraid I dont see. Im to read in my mind?
"Begin in Genesis, where He said male and female made He them. They were BOTH made male/spirit and female/soul. Blessings...." (Cardinal)
What you are saying is when the Lord God breathed into man the breath of life and man became a living soul, both male and female  got a soul?  So there were two living souls in Gen. 2:7?
I realize that spirit is masculine and soul is feminine and  body is neutral;  and if what you say is so, then that rib that was taken out, could not be the soul, for the female already had a soul correct?

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: He made a woman out of the rib. He gave her a soul and a spirit too. Do not both woman and men have souls and spirits?  But you have brought up an interesting point to meditate on......thanks.....will get back to this if I get more revelation. Blessings...

[micah7:9]

There is ONE Spirit.
Eph 4:4  one body and one Spirit, according as also ye were called in one hope of your calling;
Again I must contend that a soul IS a living creature. I believe we need to look further into this "rib" H6763
from  H6760 A primitive root; probably to curve;
If we look at this word primarily as "curved" and figuratively (of a door, that is, leaf);
architecturally a timber (especially floor or ceiling) or plank (single or collectively, that is, a flooring): - beem, board, chamber, corner, leaf, plank, rib, side (chamber).

I believe that this "rib" that formed the woman is a curve (turning), a door(leaf) it became a entrance to knowledge, a chamber, a flooring(foundation) that was the needed help-meet for man/adam to move through God's purpose (Gen 2:17 to Gen 3:6.) I believe this rib/woman was the "awakened mind" of man/adam. I also find it revealing that it is, one body(Eph.4:4) and (Gen 2:24) and they shall be one flesh Let me also ad that this woman or wife, save for several verses in Strongs, is H802 a woman; [adulter]ess, each, every, female, X many, + none, one, + together, wife, woman. Note see H2181
For we are told to repent G3340 to think differently. 2Co 11:3  and I fear, lest, as the serpent did beguile Eve in his subtilty, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in the Christ;
Isnt it the mind that the devil/old serpent/nâchash(the whisperer, hisser, enchanter) uses to instigate? Should man/adam have a desire to step to the side of evil/bad in will begin in the mind...this is woman H802

Peace and Love Through Jesus

[Nathan]

What we're seeing in some of this is "in me" there is an Adam (spirit) and an Eve (soul)  My Eve desires after my Adam, but my Adam is to rule over her . .this is the original aligment God established "in" man. 

But when Adam not only ate of the tree of knowledge, but he received it from his Eve, that through chaos into the perfect order of God.  Which caused man to no longer walk with God in the cool (breath/spirit) of the day.  When I allow my mind to feed my spirit, I can not see the kingdom of spiritual truths because my mind is at emnity with God and doesn't have the capability to operate in the spirit realm.  It can observe in it, but the operation part is to come out of my spirit man, not my soulish man.

My mind does become a harlot in that it will bed down with any and every belief that I may encounter.  Which is why I'm to take captive my thoughts.  I'm not to allow my mind to go down those dark alleys in pursuit of self-gratification from the doctrines of men.

My mind is also a bottomless pit in that there's no rest there.  My mind is the adversary against God (definition of satan is adversary).  Rather than go into a state of submission voluntarily, my mind becomes defensive, it assumes the role to protect when spiritual truth is not to be protected or defended through carnal means.  That's what the story of Peter cutting off the servant of the high priests ear is eluding to as well.  Peter felt it was his role to defend Jesus and all it accomplished was to deafen anyone within his reach.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9:  :thumbsup:

[micah7:9]

Nathan quote, "My mind does become a harlot in that it will bed down with any and every belief that I may encounter.  Which is why I'm to take captive my thoughts.  I'm not to allow my mind to go down those dark alleys in pursuit of self-gratification from the doctrines of men.

My mind is also a bottomless pit in that there's no rest there.  My mind is the adversary against God (definition of satan is adversary).  Rather than go into a state of submission voluntarily, my mind becomes defensive, it assumes the role to protect when spiritual truth is not to be protected or defended through carnal means.  That's what the story of Peter cutting off the servant of the high priests ear is eluding to as well.  Peter felt it was his role to defend Jesus and all it accomplished was to deafen anyone within his reach."

You my friend see, that it is the mind that is the culprit of the thoughts that cause the living creature (soul) to walk in the darkness of the knowledge of good and bad. And you said it well. Glory!

[Nathan]

Care to go a little deeper?  There are two major levels to my awareness.  One is my consciousness, the other is my subconsciousness.  I'm finding that not only does my consciousness have many similarities . . .too many to be a coincidence . ..with the nature and attributes of my soul; but also in the same light, my subconsciousness has just as many if not more similarities with the nature and attributes to my spirit.

In my subconsiousness, everything seems to be flowing from this mysterious part of my being.  My body takes it's orders for life from there . . . I breathe without making a "conscious" effort, my heart pumps, my eyes blink, my ears hear, my eyes see . . .it goes on and on.  Yet my actual consciousness not only has no control over how many beats my heart can beat, how many breaths I must have to stay alive, not only is my consiousness not aware of these very necessities for me to even exist.  My consciousness doesn't have the first clue as to how to "govern" these things going on in me.

My consciousness seems to be mostly involved with and focused on my five senses.  Yet my "subconsciousness" is actually the core source of power in order for life to be existing in me at all.  I used to believe my spirit in me was in the lower portions . . .you know, that invisible place somewhere beneath your lungs and heart?  But now I see not only my shadow of my soul manifesting the true order and alignment of God in me, but also my spirit's domain is not somewhere under my heart of flesh . .it's really my subconsciousness.

If I can get my consciousness to retract it's constant noise, I can actually hear the sound of the spirit on the other side of my head . . .it's not some eerie invisible being on the outside that I call spirit . . .it's this unexplainable part of me that's on the other side of my conscious awareness state.  Is this yet another distraction from the gospel of Christ?

For me, it's another step to putting my old man down and allowing my spirit man to manifest.  What again is faith?  Believing in what you can't "see".  Accepting what you don't "understand".  Truth goes beyond the awareness of the minds of men.  It's in our subconsciousness.  What we simply need to do here now is, restrict our consciousness from drowning out our subconsciousness. 

You know?  How many times have you driven somewhere and as you drive, your mind totally goes somewhere else?  And when you get to where you're going, you may even wonder how you ended up there because you were so absorbed in something else?  Your "consciousness" was dwelling heavily on one thing while your "subconcsiousness" got you to your destination without killing you or anyone else around you.

It's in that subconscious state that your spirit manifests.  It sustains life . . .on many different levels, but the more I consciously allow it, the more natural it becomes to me.  Walking in the spirit is a choice.  If it wasn't, Scripture wouldn't direct us to do it.  Meditation is a form of exercising walking in the spirit.  I believe this is why so many in the general population are drawn to doing it, it "relaxes" your mind.  It soothes the soul.  But when you meditate on spiritual things . . .Godly things, not just paranormal activity, but when you exercise on the things of God in your meditation, it "empowers" you to be free from the bondage of your carnal self.

Just something to ponder.

[thinktank]

Great post and welcome back.