No Hell Warning from God for Thousands of Years . . .

[Tony N]

You ever notice that God never once warned Adam and Eve that if they sinned they'd go to hell?

God never told Cain he was going to hell if he killed his brother or after he killed his brother? No, God never even made a whisper about it.

God never told any of Adam and Eve's decendents prior to the flood about hell.

God never told the preacher of righteousness (Noah) to warn the myriads of humanity about hell prior to the flood.

Ever notice that God never once told Moses about hell? God never once warned Israel that if they sinned against Him they were in danger of hell?

Not one curse of the law warns them about hell.

You would think that by listening to some "evangelists" (actually they should be called "phalgelists" or bad newsists) that hell was on every page of the bible.

Why was God silent on such an important issue for those many thousands of years if people really will go to an eternal hell fire and damnation?

Do you think that when Adam and Eve, Cain and the millions, possibly billions of people of the old testament stand before God at the great white throne that He is going to say:

Oh, umm, **blush** sorry but, umm, there was a slight oversight on My part. Uh, **blush** well, Michael, you tell them.

Michael: Well folks, it's like this. We were so busy running the universe that it completely slipped our minds that we had invented this place called Hell. Umm, Gabriel, why don't you tell them.

Gabriel: Umm, O.K. **blush** umm, here's the deal folks. We invested so much time and money into this new technology, I mean, can you imagine how clever we had to get just to keep these fires going for eternity and also have you suffer for eternity also? So, we think that, to get our money's worth, well, we can't just not use it due to a silly little oversight like forgetting to tell you about this. I mean, after all, if you wanted to know, you could have just asked. So ignorance is no excuse!

Michael: Very good Gabriel! Now, h----e----r----e'----s---- God!

God: Thank you Michael and Gabe! O.K., now, where were We?
Gabe whispering in God's ear: We were talking about Hell.
God: Oh yes, Hell! O.K. so, everyone, line up and run in the direction toward that red glow! LOL!

[WhiteWings]

So you are saying we can sin ourselfs into heaven?  :laugh:

[CHB]

Oh, but some of them use these verses to show there was teaching about hell. (Deut. 32:22) (2Sam. 22:6) (Job 11:8) (Psalms 9:17)  (Psalms 55:15) (Prov. 7:27) (Prov. 15:11) (Prov. 27:20). There are many more verses that speak of hell. We know the meaning of the word hell but there are a lot of people that don't.

CHB

[Tony N]

So you are saying we can sin ourselfs into heaven?  :laugh:

We already do. That why God deals graciously with all our offenses.

[Tony N]

Oh, but some of them use these verses to show there was teaching about hell. (Deut. 32:22) (2Sam. 22:6) (Job 11:8) (Psalms 9:17)  (Psalms 55:15) (Prov. 7:27) (Prov. 15:11) (Prov. 27:20). There are many more verses that speak of hell. We know the meaning of the word hell but there are a lot of people that don't.

CHB

(ASV)  For a fire is kindled in mine anger, And burneth unto the lowest Sheol (grave), And devoureth the earth with its increase, And setteth on fire the foundations of the mountains. (Dt.32:22)

Sheol was translated properly "grave".
I'm sure the fire God was talking about was not literal flames too.

(ASV)  The cords of Sheol (the grave) were round about me; The snares of death came upon me. (2 Sam.22:6)

(ASV)  It is high as heaven; what canst thou do? Deeper than Sheol (the grave); what canst thou know? (Job.11:8)

The wicked shall be turned back unto Sheol (the grave), Even all the nations that forget God.  (Psalms 9:17)

Let death come suddenly upon them, Let them go down alive into Sheol (the grave); For wickedness is in their dwelling, in the midst of them.  (Psalms 55:15)

Her house is the way to Sheol (the grave), Going down to the chambers of death.  Prov. 7:27

Sheol (the grave) and Abaddon (destruction) are before Jehovah: How much more then the hearts of the children of men!  (Prov. 15:11)

Pro 27:20  Sheol (the grave) and Abaddon (destruction) are never satisfied; And the eyes of man are never satisfied.

Again, not a word about hell.

[friendofmankind]

...And of course everytime someone ends up in this 'hell'...They end up being delivered from it...

...Jonah, the people in the flood....etc....

Maybe 'hell' means something else other than eternal torment?
(I'm speaking to believers in eternal punishment).

Will the penny ever drop for you lot?

[peacemaker]

God deals graciously with all our offenses.

A suburbanite   :mshock:

[Tony N]

God deals graciously with all our offenses.

A suburbanite   :mshock:

I seem a little dense. What do you mean by "A suburbanite"? LOL!

[peacemaker]

God deals graciously with all our offenses.

A suburbanite   :mshock:

I seem a little dense. What do you mean by "A suburbanite"? LOL!

"Graciously living within commuting distance to the city; and the Glory hereafter to be revealed."

Good will to ALL men!

[whyiloveitaly.com]

So you are saying we can sin ourselfs into heaven?  laugh

We already do. That why God deals graciously with all our offenses.

Exactly. Romans 5 brings out God's justice perfectly: All into sin, all out of sin.
Ch. 6 answers the question of, "well, if grace covers all, then let's just keep sinning, right??"

The fact is, that God's LOVE will make every knee bow; it's not hell and punishment by the Law that works righteousness.

God wins every time; not by arguing, but by loving. And we should, too..

Blessings,
brian

[Tony N]

Very good and wise words, Brian!

Thank you!

Tony

[Beloved Servant]

Sin dwells within flesh itself and can not partake of the kingdom.
1 Corinthians 15:50  Young's Literal Translation
And this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood the reign of God is not able to inherit, nor doth the corruption inherit the incorruption;

[SQ]

...And of course everytime someone ends up in this 'hell'...They end up being delivered from it...

...Jonah, the people in the flood....etc....

Maybe 'hell' means something else other than eternal torment?
(I'm speaking to believers in eternal punishment).

Will the penny ever drop for you lot?

Deliverance. God delivers and is delivering.   :thumbsup:

[SQ]

 Is it possible the only hell we will ever know is here and now?
I am thinking that we are judged here by experiences of choices actions while here on earth in the flesh.
We experience in the flesh, but once the flesh dies we experience a much higher dimension.

[Beloved Servant]

Dear SQ,
Our Beloved willieH has discussed this much with the Spirit of the Lord.
Seek his posts for many answers.
Your spirit is blessed and your journey is short.

[Beloved Servant]

Behold...

[SQ]

Dear SQ,
Our Beloved willieH has discussed this much with the Spirit of the Lord.
Seek his posts for many answers.
Your spirit is blessed and your journey is short.

Thank you I will look up his posts, unfortunately for now I am not really confident in all these new thoughts that keep coming to me.
I need to pray for more assurances of my thoughts that they are of God, not just my thoughts.
One thing I have been confident of for a long time is God saves all.

[peacemaker]

Death is the final awakening from the last sleep.
Now comes the mystery, not all sleep.

"Death is more universal than life; everyone dies but not everyone lives."

Many people are so afraid to die that they never experience life. 

peacemaker 

[Tony N]

Getting back to the original post:

Don't you think it interesting (I'm mostly writing to those whe believe in eternal torment) that God never even whispered the "Hell" word in the whole Old Testament? For thousands of years God was silent on that.

And even in the New Testament neither Jesus nor Paul nor any in the book of Acts said one word about Hell?

Yet the ETer thinks hell is on almost every page of the Bible! LOL  :dontknow:

[WhiteWings]

Getting back to the original post:

Don't you think it interesting (I'm mostly writing to those whe believe in eternal torment)

Tony I think you are posting on the wrong forum  :laughing7:

that God never even whispered the "Hell" word in the whole Old Testament? For thousands of years God was silent on that.

And even in the New Testament neither Jesus nor Paul nor any in the book of Acts said one word about Hell?

Yet the ETer thinks hell is on almost every page of the Bible! LOL  :dontknow:

It certainly is good reasoning and very true....but....as you know many translations have the word hell in the OT.
And because most ETs are more interested in the doctrine of men they keep parroting those teachings without ever looking at the Greek. Edit Hebrew. Not much Greek in the OT  :mblush:

[sven]

some say that the doctrine of hell developed in the intertestamental period and was adopted by Christ

but such claim undermines the authority of the whole bible, if the paganized Jews invented hell while God's prophet Moses e.g. was silent and the Son of God adopted this teaching from them, that does not make Him very trustworthy nor all the Prophets prior to Him who where silent on this subject also.

On the other hand, it is hard to explain if you believe in hell - as that doctrine is found nowhere in the canonic writings of the Old Testament, why this may be so.

[WhiteWings]

some say that the doctrine of hell developed in the intertestamental period and was adopted by Christ

but such claim undermines the authority of the whole bible

AND of Jesus. It would mean Jesus taught teh doctrine of men instead of that of the HS.
The doctrine of man is partly/mostly the doctrine of satan...

[willieH]

willieH: Hi Tony!  :grin:

How-ah-yiz, ...bro?  :mfriends:

Getting back to the original post:

Don't you think it interesting (I'm mostly writing to those whe believe in eternal torment) that God never even whispered the "Hell" word in the whole Old Testament? For thousands of years God was silent on that.

And even in the New Testament neither Jesus nor Paul nor any in the book of Acts said one word about Hell?

Yet the ETer thinks hell is on almost every page of the Bible! LOL  :dontknow:

Amen Tony...  :iagree: ...and don't let's forget ---> that there is NO MENTION of (any word translated) "HELL" in the GOSPEL of John, nor in any of His letters,  NO "warning" in James, nor in the letters of Peter, nor in Jude either...  :mshock:

As you said, NONE of the writers of the OT, warned of HELL... neither did GOD warn ADAM of it... and,

NONE of the writers of the NT, actually WARN of HELL either! :omg:

There is NO COMMAND to TEACH it by CHRIST... and NONE of the OT or NT writers taught it, ...yet the modern "church" freely teaches it's DARK CONDEMNATION anyway! :rolleye:

Ignoring that JESUS [the WORD] was SENT NOT to CONDEMN! -- John 3:17

And! --- In Revelation (the REVEALING of JESUS) the entity known as "Hell" is cast into the Lake of FIRE... along with DEATH -- Rev 20:14 --

And! --- The LAST ENEMY to be DESTROYED (eliminated) is DEATH!! -- 1 Cor 15:26 -- So... if DEATH is eliminated IN the LAKE of FIRE... how does "HELL" and the folks cast into it, somehow remain? :dunno: ...well they DON'T... for all these things have to do with SIN...  :dontknow: 

And within GOD destroying DEATH by CHRIST, so is the GRAVE [hades] destroyed, as well as the SIN in the folks which was what brought these 2 things forth in the first place!  -- Rom 6:23

So many, many, questions to ask "ET'ers"! :nod:  ...So little time... :clock:

(Of course you already know that it is my belief that THIS WORLD is the "Lake of FIRE", and "cast" INTO it are the GRAVE [hades], DEATH and, ALL [which are appointed to die a DEATH] that were [because of that appointment], not written in the "Book of Life"...)  :winkgrin:

Sorry for rambling a bit bunch...  :blush:

...willieH  :cloud9:

[peacemaker]

To the warnings of Hell:

"Beliefs have the power to create and the power to destroy."

You can chain me.
You can torture me.
You can even destroy this body.
But you will never imprison me, for It is finished!

peacemaker

[Novus-Ordo-Seclorum7]

"Hell" Is Not an Old Testament doctrine:

Popular myth : Hell is an established Biblical doctrine that is in the Bible from start to finish. This is not true! Two thirds of the Bible (the Old Testament) does not mention Hell at all. ("Sheol," the Old Testament word that is sometimes translated as Hell, only means "grave" by definition, and it is where everyone in the Old Testament went when they died--good or evil, Jew or Gentile). Thus the Old Testament does not contain the concept of Hell!

Think about it...

If Hell is real, why didn't God make that warning plain right at the beginning of the Bible? God said the penalty for eating of the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil was death- -not "eternal life" in fire and brimstone.

If Hell is real, why wasn't Cain warned about it, or Sodom and Gomorrah , or any of those who committed the earliest recorded "sins?"

If Hell is real why didn't Moses warn about this fate in the Ten Commandments or the Mosaic Covenant consisting of over 600 laws, ordinances, and warnings? The Mosaic Law simply stated blessings and cursings in this lifetime.

If Hell is real, why are its roots in paganism, rather than the Bible? Many nations surrounding Israel in the Old Testament believed in Hell-like punishment in the afterlife, for they served bloodthirsty and evil "gods," while Israel simply taught the grave (sheol) and a hope of a resurrection. If Hell is real, why was the revelation of it first given to pagan nations, instead of God's covenant people? Did God expect Israel to learn about the afterlife from the Pagan Gentiles? If so, why did He repeatedly warn Israel to not learn of their ways?

If Hell is real, why did God tell the Jews that burning their children alive in the fire to the false god Molech, (in the valley of Gehenna ) was so detestable to Him? God said that such a thing "never even entered His mind" (Jer. 32:35). How could God say such a thing to Israel , if He has plans to burn alive a good majority of His own creation in a spiritual and eternal Gehenna of His own making?

**FACT: The King James Bible erroneously translates the word "Sheol" as Hell a total of 31 times in the Old Testament, thus setting a foundation for that doctrine in the New Testament as well as the majority of Bible translations to follow the KJV. Even so, most new translations have completely eliminated Hell from the Old Testament, as honest and better scholarship has demanded. The Jewish version of the Old Testament (the Tanakh) has no concept of Hell in it. The importance of this fact cannot be over-emphasized. If a doctrine does not appear as seed form in the books of the Law, the Prophets and the Psalms, it cannot fairly be taught as a major biblical doctrine, if indeed it can be taught as biblical at all!
By Tentmaker.org