The Blood of Jesus

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sheila

   The Life is in the Blood...These words I speak to you are life.

  they are eternal life due to being the 'thoughts and mind' of

God. Perfect in understanding..able to bring into alignment

mankinds thoughts and heart with the Father. Elevating

mankinds mind from below..bringing into perfect understanding

of the will and mind of the Father.

   The putting to death of that word by the ignorance of man

profits the Kingdom of darkness nothing..for it is resurrected

up into the heavens eternally true and faithful.

   There will be no stopping or thwarting it. It will accomplish

  that which the Lord sent it forth for. It will prove faithful and

  true,eternally. It has the power to deliver from bondage,error

and the death that is in the tongue.

   

whyiloveitaly.com

Hi Molly!
QuoteI often wonder if that is one way they managed to spread the gospel over the known world.  That's a lot of walking, otherwise.
Good observation.. any idea exactly how far away it was?
It also now seems to me that the speaking in tongues that was in the 2nd chapter was not like we see in churches today-- back then, everyone heard in their own language. Again, better than science fiction!!!

Hi Firstborn888!
QuoteYep - death has a WONDERFUL way of wiping the slate clean
The Scripture also says that "he who is dead is FREE from SIN." To me, that seems to mean that ALL sin is gone when we leave this earthly realm!! Hallelujah!!
Or am I understanding that verse wrong? Could it be that God makes everyone "pure" at death?


Blessings to all,
Brian

firstborn888

Quote from: whyiloveitaly on January 07, 2010, 10:26:28 PM

Hi Firstborn888!
QuoteYep - death has a WONDERFUL way of wiping the slate clean
The Scripture also says that "he who is dead is FREE from SIN." To me, that seems to mean that ALL sin is gone when we leave this earthly realm!! Hallelujah!!
Or am I understanding that verse wrong? Could it be that God makes everyone "pure" at death?


Blessings to all,
Brian


That's the one I had in mind. By faith we reckon ourselves dead to sin now - and alive to God.

HartleyDamboiseII

I personally see it as , when Christ rose from the dead,
1 He killed death
2 He bought back ALL THINGS back from death and brought immortality to all
3 In doing so, locked up the ellegedged devil for that 1000 years of God's time.
4 In so doing, acomplished all He said he would, oops- sorry rapture people.
5 Much Much more. but will stop here

eaglesway

Jesus said quite simply that the Holy Spirit would lead us and guide us into all truth. It is our distance from God, and our carnal reasonings that obscure the word. The revelation of the blood, as the outpoured LIFE of Christ, being the active agent in the reconciliation of all things, is so deep and real and intrinsic to the gospel, it IS the revelation of God. He created all things, and allowed the fall, in order to reveal HIMSELF completely to us in the deepest beauty of His love- an unmerited sacrifice. Abel saw it, and died for the testimony of it. Abraham saw it, and became the friend of God as he offered up Isaac in faith. Our faith allows us to participate in the friendship of that sacrifice as we embrace the divine nature. By grace we abide in the vine. Having been forgiven much(the more we grow in grace the more we realize how much we are forgiven)- we love much. The love spreads virally as we lay down our lives because we love Him, we love one another, and we love the kosmos. Because we have been born, not of the will of the flesh, or the will of man, but by the pure and undefiled Logos(seed) of God, we have the same blood/life in us. We receive the will to sacrifice(sharing His life, bearing the cross) He had, and He is therefore not,"ashamed to call us brethren"(breathren :smile:). In other words, His blood is the love, and it was poured out once and for all, and all are being brought into it, but all are not yet brought into it, so we labor. If He labored, so ought we, in the same Spirit of faith. Otherwise, we might as well just reject the scriptures as useless symbols open to anyones interpretation and join the New Age.
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jabcat

Quote from: eaglesway on January 11, 2010, 07:37:02 AM
Jesus said quite simply that the Holy Spirit would lead us and guide us into all truth. It is our distance from God, and our carnal reasonings that obscure the word. The revelation of the blood, as the outpoured LIFE of Christ, being the active agent in the reconciliation of all things, is so deep and real and intrinsic to the gospel, it IS the revelation of God. He created all things, and allowed the fall, in order to reveal HIMSELF completely to us in the deepest beauty of His love- an unmerited sacrifice. Abel saw it, and died for the testimony of it. Abraham saw it, and became the friend of God as he offered up Isaac in faith. Our faith allows us to participate in the friendship of that sacrifice as we embrace the divine nature. By grace we abide in the vine. Having been forgiven much(the more we grow in grace the more we realize how much we are forgiven)- we love much. The love spreads virally as we lay down our lives because we love Him, we love one another, and we love the kosmos. Because we have been born, not of the will of the flesh, or the will of man, but by the pure and undefiled Logos(seed) of God, we have the same blood/life in us. We receive the will to sacrifice(sharing His life, bearing the cross) He had, and He is therefore not,"ashamed to call us brethren"(breathren :smile:). In other words, His blood is the love, and it was poured out once and for all, and all are being brought into it, but all are not yet brought into it, so we labor. If He labored, so ought we, in the same Spirit of faith. Otherwise, we might as well just reject the scriptures as useless symbols open to anyones interpretation and join the New Age.

:goodpost:   :first:
The oldest known manuscripts agree with each other 99% of the time.  The scriptures, accurately translated, Spirit revealed - reliable.   Looking unto Jesus, the Author and Finisher of our faith.  Heb. 12:2

sheila


HartleyDamboiseII

Brought to Christ

   It should be clear to every thinking child of God that God does not use the same means and measures with every man to bring them to Christ. It would be very simple to fill this book with instance after instance from Holy Scripture which loudly and unmistakably proclaim the nature and purposes of all God's judgments from the banishment of Adam and Eve from Eden's fair garden in Geneses to the blazing inferno of the lake of fire in Revelation. But I would point you briefly to one plain and positive illustration which proceeded from the lips of our Lord Jesus Christ. "But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, to be drunken; the lord of that servant will APPOINT HIM HIS PORTION WITH THE UNBELIEVERS. And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be BEATEN WITH MANY STRIPES. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be BEATEN WITH FEW STRIPES. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more" (Lk.12:45-48).
   In this parable it is plain that Christ is teaching degrees of punishment.  The Christ teaches that those who have committed things worthy of many stripes, will receive many, and those who were ignorant, and with lesser light did not know or understand the will of God, yet did things worthy of stripes, shall receive but few. Here is set forth in the plainest of language not only varying degrees of punishment, but also varying lengths of time for the punishment. What ever the judgment typified by the 'stripes,' it takes longer to inflict many stripes than just a few, so it should not be difficult to understand that some men are punished for a longer period of time than others. The Word of God declares that the Judge of all the earth shall do right, and I believe that He shall do just that. As our children were growing up we did not have one stock punishment for all their misdeeds. We suited the punishment to the disobedience, yet we haven't granted the same privilege to God! We have said that everyone is to receive the very same common punishment, hell fire, and that that judgment would endure for the very same length of time for all---eternity !  How, then, I ask, can some be beaten with "many stripes" and others with "few stripes" if all receive the same punishment of endless hell fire ?

How foolish can we be ! It is always extremely foolish to hold to a doctrine that clearly contradicts the Word of God.
   I can almost feel the holy wrath, I can almost hear the stinging invective of some who think they have me now--- "Ah," they say, "but Jesus is not talking in this parable about the condition of the LOST; He is teaching about the punishment of disobedient SERVANTS OF GOD!" And you are so very right, my friend! We never want to forget it. Nothing could be plainer, for Jesus prefaces His remarks with these significant words: "Who then is that FAITHFUL AND WISE STEWARD, who his lord shall make ruler over all that He hath" (Lk. 12:42-44 ).
   There would be no answer to your argument; I would be forced to throw up my hands and admit that these words of our Lord apply only to the correction and discipline of servants of the Lord, and have absolutely no bearing whatever on the judgment of unbelievers, or on hell, or on the lake of fire, were it not for one significant statement that appears in verse fort-six. The Lord says, "The Lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for Him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will APPOINT HIM HIS PORTION WITH THE U-N-B-E-L-I-E-V-E-R-S."   Do you see that? Ah, the punishment of this SERVANT is appointed his portion WITH THE UNBELIEVERS!  The punishment, therefore, of this servant of the Lord and the punishment of the unbelievers is equal, identical, of the same intencity, for same length of time, the very same punishment, and that punishment is? MANY STRIPES!  Not unending stripes; not everlasting whipping; not eternal torment under the hands of the tormentors; but—many stripes. And of what precise judgment speaks our Lord when He commands "appoint him his portion with the unbelievers? What is the "portion of the unbelievers?" Hear it! "But the fearful, and UNBELIEVING... shall have their part(portion) IN THE LAKE WHICH BURNETH WITH FIRE AND BRIMSTONE" (Rev. 21:8 ). The "portion of the unbelievers" is the lake of fire. And not only are the unbelievers judged there, but the unfaithful servants of God are dealt with there, too! And, by Jesus' own words this punishment is called "many stripes," and is shown to be limited in its duration and corrective and REMEDIAL IN ITS NATURE.
Just what do you mean ... The Lake of Fire By J. Preston Eby.  Part 7 pg.s9-11 typed by Lee Damboise II

Cardinal

 :cloud9: Amen Eaglesway!  :2thumbs:  :goodone:
"I would rather train twenty men to pray, than a thousand to preach; A minister's highest mission ought to be to teach his people to pray." -H. MacGregor

eaglesway

#34
 Psa 51:3-4  For I know my transgressions, And my sin is ever before me. Against You, You only, I have sinned And done what is evil in Your sight, So that You are justified when You speak And blameless when You judge.

This is all God asks. It is all He seeks. It is the end of all chastisement. It applies the blood. It is the entrance into brokeness, "a broken and a contrite heart Oh God you will in no way cast out". He dwells in the high and holy place and with the one who is of a broken and a contrite heart.

Confess your faults one to another and pray for each other that you may be healed.

This is the key that unlocks the prison door, it pays "the last penny". This humility and honesty is the core of fellowship because it is "true being" and "being true". The arrogant are not so. So they have no oneness.

1Jn 1:6-9  If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth; but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship(koinonea, oneness) with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

This statement is so powerful. We all sin. Even after faith, and even as we grow in grace. As James says, "For we all stumble in many ways". Yet, their is a healing balm that we access continually as we walk through humble fellowship. The blood. It carries life through the body, and healing to every cell through "connectedness", which is the union of the pure in heart. The pure in heart are not the "perfect" who never sin, they are the "poor in spirit" who are humble and seek grace- and minister grace as well.


Psa 32:2-5  How blessed is the man to whom the LORD does not impute iniquity, And in whose spirit there is no deceit! When I kept silent about my sin, my body wasted away Through my groaning all day long. For day and night Your hand was heavy upon me; My vitality was drained away as with the fever heat of summer. Selah.  I acknowledged my sin to You, And my iniquity I did not hide; I said, "I will confess my transgressions to the LORD"; And You forgave the guilt of my sin. Selah.

When I kept silent about my sin! Hiding in the garden from the presence. "Am I my brother's keeper?" Your hand was heavy upon me. These are the few and many stripes- however many it takes to bring us to honesty.
    "You will teach me truth in my innermost being."
   We will all be true beings, able to say "I am what I am" when God is over all in all and through all. When all the adversaries are destroyed, all will rejoice in the "connectedness" of the life of God flowing through all.
    "I heard the voice of the Almighty like the rushing of many waters like the sound of ten thousands of ten thousands of voices praising God."

Psa 51:6-13  Behold, You desire truth in the innermost being, And in the hidden part You will make me know wisdom. Purify me with hyssop, and I shall be clean; Wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow. Make me to hear joy and gladness, Let the bones which You have broken rejoice. Hide Your face from my sins And blot out all my iniquities.  Create in me a clean heart, O God, And renew a steadfast spirit within me. Do not cast me away from Your presence And do not take Your Holy Spirit from me. Restore to me the joy of Your salvation And sustain me with a willing spirit. Then I will teach transgressors Your ways, And sinners will be converted to You.


Hyssop is a bitter herb signifying repentance. Esau could not find repentance though he sought it with "bitter tears". This means Esau suffered irrevocable loss. "If any man's work is burned up he shall suffer loss, but he himself will be saved....(1 Cor 3:15-17)". The children of Israel applied the blood of the Passover Lamb to the doorpost with hyssop, and the death angel passed over. When we repent we simply "change our mind" and "humble ourselves to agree with God" that we are "all connected". Sin now becomes an issue, not of breaking arbitrary rules and laws, but rather it is about separation and ignoring the connection of all and failing to treat others as we would be treated. Darkness is failing to recognize the union and walking in chaos(total separation, no union, no harmony). Without form and void.....LET THERE BE LIGHT!!! In the light, it is not me first(chaos), it is sowing the seeds of reconciliation in a free will union(harmony) in the outpouring of Christ- to whatever measure such grace has grown in us.

Psa 51:16-19  For You do not delight in sacrifice, otherwise I would give it; You are not pleased with burnt offering. The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit; A broken and a contrite heart, O God, You will not despise.  By Your favor do good to Zion; Build the walls of Jerusalem. Then You will delight in righteous sacrifices, In burnt offering and whole burnt offering; Then young bulls will be offered on Your altar.(see Romans 12:1-3)  This is the key to acceptable offerings(gold, silver, precious stone).

    Religion seeks to buy God off with the works of our hands and ascend via the tree of knowledge, all the while maintaining this dishonest separation of self-centered living(death). As such we are our own worst enemy...."the servant of God must not strive....gently instruct....pray for those who oppose themselves that they may escape the snare..."

    Like Cain we murder the humble and resent the rejection of our offerings and judge others as inferior to us in knowledge and righteousness. "Why do you go on judging(condemning) before the time". Discernment is the recognition of another's condition through "the insight of love" and the wisdom of God. Condemnation is a different kind of judging and we are not permitted to do it. It is only for God to make the absolute determination.

If you find a brother in a fault, you that are spiritual(humble, mature in the ministry of reconciliation) go to him, considering your own selves(keeping an eye on your flesh and remembering your own weakness and need of grace) and restore such a one in the spirit of meekness(as one who is meek and lowly of heart, like the Lamb of God, our Redeemer, our fountain of living water).

If you see a brother or a sister committing a sin not unto death, pray for them and God will give them life for their sin. WOW!

 This is gold silver and precious stone. Love one another, forgive one another, bear one anothers burdens, confess your faults one to another and pray for one another that you may be healed.

  The healing won't come through what we know(tree of knowledge), it will come through the connection that allows blood to flow from cell to cell, member to member, and eventually to all till God be all in all. So feed the hungry- you are connected. Weep with those who weep- you are connected. Do not put your own needs first, but esteem others before yourself, because His blood is in you- as long as you abide in the vine :HeartThrob:.

 The fire will keep us honest, or it will get us honest by falling upon us if we fail to "Buy of (Him) gold tried in the fire." Eventually we will all be able to walk in the midst of the everlasting burnings, rejoicing as gold does, when it is 7 times purified.

Jas 3:14-18  But if you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your heart, do not be arrogant and so lie against the truth. This wisdom is not that which comes down from above, but is earthly, natural, demonic. For where jealousy and selfish ambition(fission, energy from splitting atoms, destruction, death) exist, there is disorder(chaos) and every evil thing(everything that thrives on separation). But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, reasonable, full of mercy and good fruits, unwavering, without hypocrisy. And the seed whose fruit is righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace(fusion, energy from atoms becoming one).
The Logos is complete, but it is not completely understood. http://www.hell-is-a-myth.webs.com/

HartleyDamboiseII

eaglesway, I completely disagree with your post, because if the words that come out of your mouth(type), bring the hears Life, then your a messenger of God-Life, and if your words that come out of 'YOUR'   mouth bring the hears death (make them sinners) then your a messenger or angle of death.Period... end of story.

so, speak life...

raise the dead...

stop the process of sin, "IF YOU know how... I do, hope you learn how!

Lee Damboise II

whyiloveitaly.com

QuotePsa 51:3-4  For I know my transgressions, And my sin is ever before me. Against You, You only, I have sinned And done what is evil in Your sight, So that You are justified when You speak And blameless when You judge.

This is all God asks. It is all He seeks. It is the end of all chastisement. It applies the blood. It is the entrance into brokeness, "a broken and a contrite heart Oh God you will in no way cast out". He dwells in the high and holy place and with the one who is of a broken and a contrite heart.
This is where I have my little bone to pick with fundies.. For them, God does in fact forgive...until you die. Then it's over. No more "being Mr. Nice."
And the resentment of God kicks in....

They don't believe that God can convert the soul. They say that it's all up to man himself, otherwise it's "not really love, because it would be 'forced'."

QuoteIf you see a brother or a sister committing a sin not unto death, pray for them and God will give them life for their sin. WOW!

Anyone here know which sins are "unto death" and which aren't? I can't seem to find that info in my KJV..


Love to all here,
Brian

WhiteWings

Quote from: whyiloveitaly on January 13, 2010, 03:01:39 PM
This is where I have my little bone to pick with fundies.. For them, God does in fact forgive...until you die. Then it's over. No more "being Mr. Nice."
And the resentment of God kicks in....
And when does God forgive? If you ask. That's a very tricky situation. I think very many people sin on daily basis. Say they all ask for forgiveness at 11pm.
Unfortunately they die at 6pm....
If judgement is really as black/white as ETs say it is then many will have a hot suprise waiting.
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

whyiloveitaly.com

I was thinking about forgiveness recently.
If God forgives "only if you do such-and-such," then He tecnically hasn't yet forgiven you. This is quite different from the "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them" message we read.

If God forgives not based on any external behavior on our part, however, this would be because perhaps it is His nature or character to forgive.

These two are very different. One could be used as leverage to get something from the one in need of forgiveness. And it's a very "unstable," conditional forgiveness.

The other is what we could call "forgiveness-natured." It's something ingrained and unmovable.

Any thoughts?.....


Blessings to all,
Brian

Paul Hazelwood

Quote from: whyiloveitaly on January 13, 2010, 09:40:10 PM
I was thinking about forgiveness recently.
If God forgives "only if you do such-and-such," then He tecnically hasn't yet forgiven you.

I would say that is true as far as I can tell.
Quote

This is quite different from the "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them" message we read.

For sure.
Quote
If God forgives not based on any external behavior on our part, however, this would be because perhaps it is His nature or character to forgive.

I believe the idea that you must do something for God to forgive you is a confusion of the difference between forgivness and suffering consequenses.

I saw this a lot in churches,  people would do something wrong and worry that God would not forgive them.   The real problem?  The real problem is that they screwed up and asked God to forgive them and they were not immediatly released from the consequenses of their actions.  They weren't getting out of the mess they were in like they wanted to or as fast as they liked.

This actually is a side effect of how prayer is taught in most churches when they define prayer by a verse or two that sounds  REALLY GREAT.

I mean ANYTHING you ask will be given unto you,  and then when I pray and what I wanted was not given unto me I ask why,  oh, well,  you have sin in your life, you didn;t believe enough, etc etc, all a cop out for not having taught prayer correctly in the first place.



eaglesway

       Well, Lee, disagreement is not always a bad thing. Misunderstanding may not even be a bad thing- when it leads to discussion and ends in edification. I am not sure how you can completely disagree with my whole post, since most of it comes right out of the scriptures- I will assume some specific part of it really set you off. However, I hope you won't strain at the gnat and swallow the camel. I believe I was illustrating the efficacy of the blood of Jesus, for believers first, and ultimately for all, through the application of repentance and faith towards God, which is the process of learning to have a broken and a contrite heart. Fairly basic stuff from my view.   Peace, John

"For every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the Glory of God the Father."

"When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all."

"For it was the Father's good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him,  (20)  and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven."



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eaglesway

Brian,
   I am not sure exactly what all the "sins unto death" are, but I am thinking they involve the sins assigned the death penalty in the old testament. I believe God has forgiven all sin, but repentance enables the application, and eventually all will experience a broken and a contrite heart, and the reconciliation afforded through the blood of the Lamb..
The Logos is complete, but it is not completely understood. http://www.hell-is-a-myth.webs.com/

jabcat

#42
Thomas / Ephesians 2:13‏
From:  tkissinger01@cox.net  
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Ephesians 2:13 13  But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. How wonderful it is to know and be assured of our salvation in Jesus Christ. While we were once far off (in our minds) from a relationship and the knowledge of God, we are now brought near by the blood of Christ. It is important to meditate on this, because it constantly reminds us of how we were lost and how that God found us (so to speak) through His Son Jesus Christ.

Please note, however, that it is by "the blood of Christ" that we are brought into relationship with God. It is not just that we believe in Jesus, but it is vital that we believe in Him as "our sacrifice for sin". Remember...It is not that He sinned, for He did not, but He became a sin offering for us through the blood of His cross.  This is what separates those who believe in Jesus just as a good man Who came to teach us how to live, and those who understand that HE IS THE LAMB OF GOD THAT TAKES AWAY THE SIN OF THE WORLD!

Yes...He did come to show us how to live, but His primary mission was to bear witness to the truth through His de
ath, burial, and resurrection for the sin and salvation of the world. Thank God for the blood of His cross. It will result in the reconciliation of all things! Hallelujah!

Sincerely,Thomas Kissinger

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firstborn888

I think it's important to realize it's not about magic red stuff - as appealing as it may seem.

Understand the CONCEPT - and that is the spiritually reality.

eaglesway

One thing that is amplified by the "once for all" sacrifice of the Lamb of God is the connectedness of all mankind throughout all time and creation.

Rom 5:8-13  But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.  Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. And not only that, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation. Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned.

Rom 5:14  Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.

  The typology referred to here is the root of mankinds universal union. A universal union in death through the fatherhood of Adam, a universal union in life through the fatherhood of Christ- born not of the will of man nor of the will of the flesh, but born of God having the incorruptible seed which is the delivery system of the blood/life/DNA of the kingdom of God in Christ, the root. The physical shedding of the blood of Jesus was the release mechanism for His life to enter all men, because the life is in the blood, and we are all connected(for in Him we live and move and breath and have our being), and it was applied once and for all upon the altar in the heavenly holy of holies (the heart of God). All will be brought into the new root (behold I make all things new), each in their order, until God is all in all. The actual sacrifice of Christ's blood is the effective agent of the spiritual reality it unlocked.
 
  1Co 15:21-22  For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead.For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.
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jabcat

#45
Amen eaglesway.

Quote from: firstborn888 on January 24, 2010, 08:56:44 AM
I think it's important to realize it's not about magic red stuff - as appealing as it may seem.

Understand the CONCEPT - and that is the spiritually reality.

I'll agree there's much spiritual about it.  But I also believe it had to do with Jesus' actual, literal life blood when He shed it.  Another concept being that it has to do with His sacrificial death, which so many want to explain away.  Many are denying "the very Lord that bought them", and leading themselves and others into apostacy.

2 Peter 2:1  But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.
The oldest known manuscripts agree with each other 99% of the time.  The scriptures, accurately translated, Spirit revealed - reliable.   Looking unto Jesus, the Author and Finisher of our faith.  Heb. 12:2

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QuoteRom 5:14  Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.

  The typology referred to here is the root of mankinds universal union. A universal union in death through the fatherhood of Adam, a universal union in life through the fatherhood of Christ- born not of the will of man nor of the will of the flesh, but born of God having the incorruptible seed which is the delivery system of the blood/life/DNA of the kingdom of God in Christ, the root. The physical shedding of the blood of Jesus was the release mechanism for His life to enter all men, because the life is in the blood, and we are all connected(for in Him we live and move and breath and have our being), and it was applied once and for all upon the altar in the heavenly holy of holies (the heart of God). All will be brought into the new root (behold I make all things new), each in their order, until God is all in all. The actual sacrifice of Christ's blood is the effective agent of the spiritual reality it unlocked.

Nice elaboration there, Eaglesway!!  :boyheart:

Blessings to all,
Brian

firstborn888

Quote from: jabcat on January 24, 2010, 10:19:35 PM
I'll agree there's much spiritual about it.  But I also believe it had to do with Jesus' actual, literal life blood when He shed it.  

Okay, a couple of questions.

1. "For my flesh is food indeed and my blood is drink indeed". Literal or spiritual? (and why)

2. "purchased with his own blood". Who was the blood paid to?

HartleyDamboiseII

Quote from: whyiloveitaly on January 25, 2010, 11:29:21 AM
QuoteRom 5:14  Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.

  The typology referred to here is the root of mankinds universal union. A universal union in death through the fatherhood of Adam, a universal union in life through the fatherhood of Christ- born not of the will of man nor of the will of the flesh, but born of God having the incorruptible seed which is the delivery system of the blood/life/DNA of the kingdom of God in Christ, the root. The physical shedding of the blood of Jesus was the release mechanism for His life to enter all men, because the life is in the blood, and we are all connected(for in Him we live and move and breath and have our being), and it was applied once and for all upon the altar in the heavenly holy of holies (the heart of God). All will be brought into the new root (behold I make all things new), each in their order, until God is all in all. The actual sacrifice of Christ's blood is the effective agent of the spiritual reality it unlocked.

Nice elaboration there, Eaglesway!!  :boyheart:

Blessings to all,
Brian

Thank you brian, this is why

I believe that all humans have the seed of God( now in them), even Hitler
I believe that if all things are right, you will feel His drawing in this life, and if not in another age or place or i.e. after this planet earth form. (somewhere)

& If Christ be in you, You don't sin. you do do things that are in your hearts wrong like , lie, cheet, steel , rob, etc.. but there are not sins of law. they are against the nature of God and the blood that was shed for all will hid those things that we and our fellow man find offense or wrong from out Father.

Lee Damboise II

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Hi Lee,
Quotethere are not sins of law.
Can you elaborate a bit?

Blessings,
Brian