Never get a thank you?

[friendofmankind]

For the last few weeks of teaching UR, i have never had a thank you from any ET believer....I have pointed out that hell was not a word until 700AD so Christ could never have said it.  I have used sound reasoning, I have proven them wrong time and time again and showed proof in my favour.  I have presented convincing arguments for the case of AION meaning an 'age' and not 'eternal'....I have done many many things, and never a word of thanks.

Now...I dont want you to think i do this for thanks, because I dont, i do it because its the truth, and with the hope that others can find peace in their lives and truely come to love and worship God for what he is....'Love'...And not a being that would infinitely torcher most of mankind....


...Yet NEVER has an ET believer said -
"Hey man, whoa, i didnt know all this stuff, wow thanks for pointing out my error, im really going to look into all you have said with an open heart!".


Agnostics have commended me, Atheists have congratulated me, Even believers in REPTILES (That illuminati thing) have said good things about me, but not ONE et'er.


I don't even know why Im saying this, i just am...For no reason really.


Have any of you ever had a thank you from a die-hard ET believer?
What happened and how did it feel for you personally?

[friendofmankind]

HAHAHA!  My the Lord is quick to answer prayers these days!

Shortly after writing this, i had a little encouragement...it wasn't a THANK YOU, but it was the next best thing...I was saying that Hell was made up in 700AD and a poster (Christian guy) said "You know what....your right!"

...Well its a start lol.

[Syndicated]

Maybe you should take a look at how come you feel the need to hear a thank you.

Not trying to be rude here, but IMO if you're teaching what you truly believe, you do it because you want to share the good news so others can be free... not to feel good about yourself by being thanked for something.

If you share the Word just to hear a thanks or to be 'right' about something, then you're doing it for the wrong reason.

[friendofmankind]

Hi, your right!  But I did say that i did not do it for a thank you in my original post, so you have missed the point a little bro!

What i meant is, why are they still holding to lies when they have been corrected and taught the truth?  Rather than thank people for TELLING them the truth, they instead do the opposite and call us 'sons of satan'.

I just wanted to hear if anyone else had had a 'sucessful' experience where an ET believer said "Thank! I am going to go and study upon what you have said!  Thanks a lot for letting me know the truth!  This is so good news that all men will be saved!"

[Dallas]

But I did say that i did not do it for a thank you in my original post, so you have missed the point a little bro!

Just becase you said it, and made a disclaimer doesn't mean it's true in your heart.

You shouldn't be so quick to throw away someones advice...

Agnostics have commended me, Atheists have congratulated me, Even believers in REPTILES (That illuminati thing) have said good things about me, but not ONE et'er.

Because you do like the fame...

[fullarmor2]

    The way you came across to me is, that you noticed they were unthankful as an observation,  not because you needed a thank you.   And I think the fact that ET folks  typically will not respond with a thank you,  is an interesting point.    When you remember that ET plays such an integral part of their theology ,  then I'm not surprised that they would not respond like that. UR  undermines their whole theology system.  It challenges their core beliefs powerfully, regardless of  whether or not they will admit it.   And having core beliefs challenged is pretty uncomfortable.  I think the last thing you will feel when being challenged to your core is thankful!   My  :2c: .  

[fullarmor2]

Have any of you ever had a thank you from a die-hard ET believer?
What happened and how did it feel for you personally?

        No,  and  in my experience  with "die hards"  ,  I was too busy feeling frustrated at their unwillingness/inability to  understand this.  Although, sometimes they will say something like "what your saying is nice, and it would be great if it were true, but....." ,    and I think this is close to a thanks. Because they are  expressing how that this message does seem like good news and that they like it somehow.

[sparrow]

Ok, I have to say... Friendofmankind... is TRULY a friend of mankind!  :grin:
What he has displayed over and over in his posts and videos, to me, is definitely not the type of person seeking fame or seeking thank you's.

I believe he is only trying to understand where people are coming from. Trying to sort of dissect the state of mind of those who believe in ET so that he can understand these folks better. Understand where they are coming from. And seeing the reasons why they cannot get to the truth.

I agree with fullarmor.

[jabcat]

I didn't think he was seeking approval, as much as exploring that it's interesting how people respond  :dontknow: - which I think it is.  Speaks to our differing levels of blindness, attitudes, etc.

I agree too, we are to share even if we get spit in the face.  That's personally hard for me, but again, I didn't get the sense praise was what fomk was seeking as much as observing/wondering about people on the other end.  I guess he can answer for himself, just didn't really strike me hard that way.

[Syndicated]

Hi, your right!  But I did say that i did not do it for a thank you in my original post, so you have missed the point a little bro!

I did see that when I read your post.  The reason I wrote what I did is that I have to agree with Dallas on this... it's in your heart but you may not be willing to actually acknowedge that it's there.  If not getting a 'thanks' isn't such a big deal to you, how come you would feel the need to voice your feelings about it?

I don't even know why Im saying this, i just am...For no reason really.

Because you want to be recognized for sharing God's word.  If it wasn't a big deal to you, then you wouldn't have said anything and it wouldn't bother you.

Ask yourself this:  Would you still preach the word of God if you KNEW that you would receive no recognition or thanks for it from anyone? 

pssst.... I'm a girl...  :icon_flower:

[jabcat]

Maybe we ought'a ask what fomk thinks rather than assume.

[friendofmankind]

But I did say that i did not do it for a thank you in my original post, so you have missed the point a little bro!

Just becase you said it, and made a disclaimer doesn't mean it's true in your heart.

You shouldn't be so quick to throw away someones advice...

Agnostics have commended me, Atheists have congratulated me, Even believers in REPTILES (That illuminati thing) have said good things about me, but not ONE et'er.

Because you do like the fame...

Very quick to judge me Dallas...But fine, i respect your opinion...Although i assure you i am not famous and have never had any desire to be.  Even in my utube videos i hide myself behind effects...So i find your comment judgmental and at best, bizarre.

[friendofmankind]

   The way you came across to me is, that you noticed they were unthankful as an observation,  not because you needed a thank you.   And I think the fact that ET folks  typically will not respond with a thank you,  is an interesting point.    When you remember that ET plays such an integral part of their theology ,  then I'm not surprised that they would not respond like that. UR  undermines their whole theology system.  It challenges their core beliefs powerfully, regardless of  whether or not they will admit it.   And having core beliefs challenged is pretty uncomfortable.  I think the last thing you will feel when being challenged to your core is thankful!   My  :2c: .  

Its just....I was always happy when someone corrected me, or showed me that something i believed was true was actually a lie.
I have done so many times with people and they have not accepted it...They will not change their LIES for TRUTH, they will not stare the facts in the face.

This is not for me...Its for them, i just dont understand it.

If someone corrects me, i say "Thank you", and learn from them.

That was what i was getting at...I really didnt expect other posters (not you) to jump on this and accuse me of things.

[friendofmankind]

Ok, I have to say... Friendofmankind... is TRULY a friend of mankind!  :grin:
What he has displayed over and over in his posts and videos, to me, is definitely not the type of person seeking fame or seeking thank you's.

I believe he is only trying to understand where people are coming from. Trying to sort of dissect the state of mind of those who believe in ET so that he can understand these folks better. Understand where they are coming from. And seeing the reasons why they cannot get to the truth.

I agree with fullarmor.

Sparrow yes, and as i said in my original post, i want THEM to accept it so that they can come to know the proper God...and have peace and joy and love in their lives.

I do it for them and unbelievers or why else go to all the effort? 
And i am VERY quick to point out when i make a mistake, as i have done many times on the forums, and never ashamed to ask to be corrected or to seek further knowledge so that as far as it depends on me i am teaching 100% truth at all costs.

The more people teaching this message the better and i have urged many to teach it and make videos and the like...The more the better, but few have done so.

Preach the good news to every creature...and when i do so i am ridiculed...Ha!

[friendofmankind]

I did see that when I read your post.  The reason I wrote what I did is that I have to agree with Dallas on this... it's in your heart but you may not be willing to actually acknowedge that it's there.  If not getting a 'thanks' isn't such a big deal to you, how come you would feel the need to voice your feelings about it?

Perhaps because i am human and was seeking support from my brothers and sisters?
Because i WANT them to know God and not worship a monster,
Because i WANT people to seek the truth and not hold to lies, and to acknowledge that they were wrong (humble themselves in the face of truth), as they should for their OWN good?

Ask yourself this:  Would you still preach the word of God if you KNEW that you would receive no recognition or thanks for it from anyone? 

I rarely get a word of thanks from Mainstream Christians...and sometimes Universalists alike as you have demonstrated.
No I dont do it for myself, but because of God working in me to do it...its not easy getting critisized and called names almost everywhere I go on the internet...But i endure it for God and for the sake of getting the 'good news' out there to help others find the truth.

[friendofmankind]

Please read my original post and get an understanding (a proper one) of what i meant and stop being so quick to judge?

Now...I dont want you to think i do this for thanks, because I dont, i do it because its the truth, and with the hope that others can find peace in their lives and truely come to love and worship God for what he is....'Love'...And not a being that would infinitely torcher most of mankind....

Sigh.

[friendofmankind]

Basically if you LIE to someone - you would expect to be told to bugger off.


But...If you tell someone the TRUTH, why not be glad for that?

[friendofmankind]

However i do understand SOME of the critisism about me on this thread, but hope it will not cause too much anger within anyone, because i am far from it.

:HeartThrob:

[peacemaker]

A Syndicated Dallas?

"Never criticize a man, until you've walked a mile in his moccasins."

peacemaker

[Syndicated]

Because i WANT them to know God and not worship a monster,
Because i WANT people to seek the truth and not hold to lies

The sad thing is that we cannot make them see what it is that we see, and it's not our call on whether or not someone does.

John 6:44"No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him..." NASB

God must prepare their hearts to receive the truth.  If He hasn't yet it's not our place to try to make them see it.  Yes it's frustrating when we try so hard, but it's by His will that people see, not ours.

But...If you tell someone the TRUTH, why not be glad for that?

Because sometimes the truth hurts more than hiding behind what is familiar, even if it actually IS wrong and they DO see it.  As I stated in the thread about people taking Jesus' word over yours, people don't like to be told that they're wrong and most people will take it as a personal attack on their value to be asked to acknowledge truth that they haven't acknowledged before, ESPECIALLY if it goes against what they have believed for years.

[friendofmankind]

Because i WANT them to know God and not worship a monster,
Because i WANT people to seek the truth and not hold to lies

The sad thing is that we cannot make them see what it is that we see, and it's not our call on whether or not someone does.

John 6:44"No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him..." NASB

God must prepare their hearts to receive the truth.  If He hasn't yet it's not our place to try to make them see it.  Yes it's frustrating when we try so hard, but it's by His will that people see, not ours.

But...If you tell someone the TRUTH, why not be glad for that?

Because sometimes the truth hurts more than hiding behind what is familiar, even if it actually IS wrong and they DO see it.  As I stated in the thread about people taking Jesus' word over yours, people don't like to be told that they're wrong and most people will take it as a personal attack on their value to be asked to acknowledge truth that they haven't acknowledged before, ESPECIALLY if it goes against what they have believed for years.

I feel that if i can get some die hard ET believers to accept UR, they would do good work for the Kingdom (because they are already happy to spread their version of the gospel everywher e they go (its a shame more universalists dont))...so i keep my eye out for the ones that will listen and not ignore truth when it comes to them so that the message of UR will get out there, so i continue to try to help them understand, however blind they are...Jesus came to seek the 'lost' and there are little more lost than they...But i understand your opinion too, but to the ones who are seeking the truth, i am there for them...Not trying to FORCE my view on anyone, on the contrary it is THEM who come to ME with their eternal torment doctrine....then patiently i try to correct them and teach them as best i can with what i know.


On another thread i said "I will preach to unbelievers but not to them!" Because i feel that i have been called to help unbelievers or those who could not accept the ET doctrine....Which is what i do, because like you, i dont feel we can CHANGE an ET believer per se...But when THEY come TO ME asking questions or dissing the universalism TRUTH, it is up to me to show them their error and try to help them find truth.....Yet not ONE of them has gave a snot for truth of any kind...Showing that the atheists, agnostics and those of other faiths care more about truth than most of Christianity.

[Syndicated]

so i continue to try to help them understand, however blind they are

Ever feel like you're bashing your head against a brick wall?  They will continue to be blind until God and God alone opens their eyes.  If someone accepts something you say it's because God has allowed them to see something of the truth in it.  If someone doesn't accept what you teach you have to accept that God is still working on them and you may not be the one to show them the truth... that there may be another who will.

1Cor 15:22For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.
23 But each in his own order...

It's all on God's timing, not ours.

Yet not ONE of them has gave a snot for truth of any kind...Showing that the atheists, agnostics and those of other faiths care more about truth than most of Christianity

IMO - This comes down to the warping of the minds that the ET church has done for centuries - it comes down people judging other people.  As being one that spent all but the last year of my life in an ET environment I will honestly say that I was brought up to worry terribly about the judgement of other people, and if that meant that I can't accept things because of how I think I will look to someone else then yes, I would deny the truth.

From my own experience, I have had many thoughts and questions years ago as a teen about why God would allow people to suffer and be tortured for all eternity, and if God was really love why would He do that, but I never had the courage to voice anything to anyone because of how people would see me.  I was afraid that my family would think that I was possesed or was in league with the devil because I was questioning what I was being taught.  I wanted to know the real truth (not the perverted truth I had been taught) very badly but at the same time I wanted people to see me as a good little Christian girl who was strong in faith.  Little did anyone know I had no faith of any kind.  I wanted to believe in God and all he stood for and I outwardly lived that way, but at the same time I would rather be living a sham... all because of how people may or may not see me.  I took the chance and lived a lie.  I even laughed along with people in my family and at church at UR believers, and I pretty much had myself convinced that what I was doing was right, even though deep down I didn't really believe anything.  It took me moving 10 hours away from my family, 3 years of being out of their ET influence and a VERY patient boyfriend who tells me the truth almost every day (and has for the past year and a half) for God to start to open my eyes.  The truth I was given answered the questions I had so long ago as a teen and made me want to believe in God again.

Do I still strugle with believing in God?  Yes.  Do I still struggle with the truth?  Yes.  Am I still afraid of what my family thinks of me?  Oh heck yes I am.  Do I realize that it shouldn't matter what they think and that it's God's opinion of me (the truth) that really matters?  In my mind I do, but it's realizing it and believing it in my heart that's going to make the difference, and only God can make that happen.  I know that it is because God is slowly taking the veil off of my eyes to be able to see and believe the truth; taking me out of the darkness and into the light.  Sometimes I still fight the truth as I have always done, I'm God's work in progress and eventually I see the truth... but only because HE allowed me to see it!

[HartleyDamboiseII]

But WE could try to Speak God's Word to them, And the Seed may have a humming effect in them, I think it would be a worth wile endeavor to try to change a few... Brothers working together as one IN God.

Lee

[friendofmankind]

Ever feel like you're bashing your head against a brick wall?

Yes i do right now talking to you...

They will continue to be blind until God and God alone opens their eyes.  If someone accepts something you say it's because God has allowed them to see something of the truth in it.  If someone doesn't accept what you teach you have to accept that God is still working on them and you may not be the one to show them the truth... that there may be another who will.

And how will they hear if noone is teaching the gospel in the first place?  
What you wrote sounds like a total cop out to me.
If an ET believer comes to me with their false doctrine, i refute it, as i have said many times.  Why do you keep picking things out of the air i never said or insinuated?

It's all on God's timing, not ours.

God commanded to preach the gospel to every creature.  It might have escaped your notice, but the gospel being taught for the past 1500 years, WASNT overall the RIGHT one!  

Do I still strugle with believing in God?  Yes.  Do I still struggle with the truth?  Yes.  Am I still afraid of what my family thinks of me?  Oh heck yes I am.  

Ah, so now we get to the bottom of it.
Well no offence, but if you havent had your eyes opened to the truth yet and you still care what people think of you and struggle with the truth, and are even still struggling with believing in God in the FIRST place....who are you to critisize me?
How could you understand what you are talking about as far as these things go?

I AM a believer, hence I preach the gospel to all people as commanded.
A non believers opinion isnt relevant here.

...But thanks anyway.

[friendofmankind]

But WE could try to Speak God's Word to them, And the Seed may have a humming effect in them, I think it would be a worth wile endeavor to try to change a few... Brothers working together as one IN God.

Lee

Lee thank God for men like you, i will be in touch soon.  The battlefield is UTUBE!  So you might need to make up a utube account!  We need help down there if you are willing, and many of the brothers and sisters are working together there to reach others with the good news....Here is my utube link, if you have the time, make friends with the people i am friends with on there (they are mostly all universalists) and we all work together...Thank you Lee....

http://www.youtube.com/user/FRIENDOFMANKIND