ET in a nutshell

[whyiloveitaly.com]

"God loves you, but you're expendable."

(What GOOD news, eh?)

Blessings to all,
Brian

[WhiteWings]

I guess it is if your name is S. Atan

[Gab]

"Do as God says, not as he does."

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: That's a good one, Brian, and that's about it in a nutshell.  :laughing7: Blessings....

[legoman]

ET in a nutshell:  "Love me or I have to torture you forever"

Arminian version:  "Love or torture, its your choice"

Calvinist version:  "Love or torture, its God's choice"

[legoman]

Of course ETers will protest, and say, but it its justice!  Eternal torment(torture) is justice!

[rosered]

ET in a nutshell:  "Love me or I have to torture you forever"

Arminian version:  "Love or torture, its your choice"

Calvinist version:  "Love or torture, its God's choice"

:thumbsup:    you said this right and all the other little daughters [doctrines ] of the  Mother  Harlot   :sigh: ......

   :HeartThrob:

[WhiteWings]

ET in a nutshell:  "Love me or I have to torture you forever"

Arminian version:  "Love or torture, its your choice"

Calvinist version:  "Love or torture, its God's choice"

Sad but very true. :thumbsup:

[jesushandsarekindhands]

Now i know why most modern Christians dont share their faith...they dont want to pass on the 'bad news'.

[whyiloveitaly.com]

In fact, when they start spouting off about "justice," I ask:

"If God put everyone into sin without their choice, then wouldn't it be JUST for Him to take everyone out again without their choice??????"

Brian

[WhiteWings]

He calles Himself a judge. He also states all will come out of the sin state.
Then the question is are the new believer forced or tempted (in a positive way)
If I read Saul/Paul road to Damascus I get a feeling force can be used.
Force as with military might makes no believers.
But word, picture and examples can also be seen as force.
Bit of an open question and answer.

[HartleyDamboiseII]

Does Sin Still Exist ????
Can or  Will God remove ALL Sin from Humankind????

IMO that happened at the day He rose from the Dead....

And Grace started "About" at the time of the following script.

Act 28:23  And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.
Act 28:24  And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not.
Act 28:25  And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers,
Act 28:26  Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:
Act 28:27  For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
Act 28:28  Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.
Act 28:29  And when he had said these words, the Jews departed, and had great reasoning among themselves.

This is just a little part of why I don't believe that Humankind is under sin, and All "have been made Righteous" already(made alive, vivified, saved), We just have to hear and see with the proper stimulus of His Spirit.    short version...

Lee Damboise II

[WhiteWings]

Does Sin Still Exist ????
Can or  Will God remove ALL Sin from Humankind????

IMO that happened at the day He rose from the Dead....

I know sin is breaking the law.
If the law is removed there is no sin.

But are we really not breaking laws anymore?
Are we perfect right now?
Ok the laws of Moses are (nearly) all gone.
But what for example the law to believe in Jesus. Many fail to keep that law.
Or "thou shall not kill" not all are living to that law either.

So Lee, I don't see that sin is removed.
Yes it will be. Yes. But right now.... hard for me to accept.

[HartleyDamboiseII]

WW--
       "perfect right now???" absolutely.. Yes.  Because


              To be Perfect in our bibles means to be 100% made Whole IN JC..  Done when I said so in the above Quote.

The law to believe in JC ????       Haven't read that one as an absolute requirement to salvation YET.

Lee

[WhiteWings]

John 14:6  Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Lee perhaps I gotta point out that for me one doesn't exclude the other.
I see/understand UR in two parts:

a] Father has a plan. Jesus is a huge part of that plan. (and done His part perfectly) The outcome of the plan is the fact that all will be in heaven.
b] But I don't believe because Jesus died all suddenly is okay. Ready and done. I think we have to walk to heaven ourselfs. We can run, crawl, fall, get up. Etc etc. Father may or may not put tests on that road. Etc etc. Lets call it the school of hard knocks that lead guaranteed to heaven.

[HartleyDamboiseII]

:HeartThrob:

WW--Of course it is all my own opinion and I really don't have "much" to back it up, but just see "IF" it sounds true IN your Spirit...

Now Jesus did his part??? Now it's up to us : that sounds real familiar...

That all "will" be in Heaven???

What if " Thy Kingdom Come" has come and now Lives IN mankind. Then His kingdom "has" come and all are in it like all "was" in Adam's kingdom, the old kingdom of death.

That walk you talked about is very real, but I see it as a short cut to being an overcomer in this age and not waiting till another moment "intime"...

Lee :icon_flower: :cloud9:

[WhiteWings]

WW--Of course it is all my own opinion and I really don't have "much" to back it up, but just see "IF" it sounds true IN your Spirit...

It's just my feeling. And I wrote it as such. Otherwise I woulf have showed you some verses.

Now Jesus did his part??? Now it's up to us : that sounds real familiar...

You are implying a ET similarity that noone actually does what s/he sound do for  salvation?
In that case I point you to what I wrote: "...outcome is a fact..." not just a possibility as in ET.

[fullarmor2]

Now i know why most modern Christians dont share their faith...they dont want to pass on the 'bad news'.

  Thats a good answer to my question in the other thread I  started!

[HartleyDamboiseII]

Ok, then if mankind (or individually) don't do their part ever, what would be the our come?       in the two part system of JC's Part and not ours?

Equals What?

[WhiteWings]

Ok, then if mankind (or individually) don't do their part ever, what would be the our come?  in the two part system of JC's Part and not ours?

I'm not allowed to discuss this (in depth) so I just give a few hints :icon_king:
Father draws people. Mankind can't do anything of it's own.

How long it takes? I can't answer that. But that's not really something we have control over. Everyone is saved in his/her own time. That time is set by Father. We don't know His schedule. We can only hope we are scheduled right now but it just as well can be scheduled for 2065.

Equals What?

I don't understand that question.

[HartleyDamboiseII]

First thing: Happy Thanksgiving...

I agree with your last statement whole heartily.

That then has been answered. by your above comment  

I meant, will the rest be anywhere other than back IN God.

But I have your answer. thank you, and God Bless.

[WhiteWings]

Happy thanksgiving to you too Lee.
Pitty it's not the best one for you. Condolances for your lost friends.

[HartleyDamboiseII]

Thank You, We were just co-workers in a potatoe House packing house,

I just wanted prayers for them.

[whyiloveitaly.com]

(Happy belated turkey day to all!)

Lee and WW:
I am enjoying reading your posts here..thanks!

A few thoughts:
God is just, therefore: "you break it, you pay for it." (I kinda' think that is the "justice" ETers talk about, and yet it proves the salvation of all when looking at what God has done for mankind!!)

Also, did Saul choose God, or did God choose Saul? It only takes a split second for God to OPEN our eyes to Him and convert us! Let's not minimize God's power to convert the soul!!

Also, the scriptures state that "all are dead." And, "those who are dead are *free from sin.*"

(I read somewhere of someone who gave an interesting definition of death: "to stop sinning suddenly.)  :)


Just wanted to throw these thoughts out there...!

Blessings to all,
Brian

[WhiteWings]

Also, the scriptures state that "all are dead." And, "those who are dead are *free from sin.*"

That sounds a bit of a contradiction to me.
IMO are born without sin. So they are not 'dead'
Just 2 make things simpler to discuss lets assume everyone commits his/her first sin at the age of 3.
They sin and then instantly they die. But because they are dead they are free from sin.
That would mean since Jesus there have been zero sinners. Ok there were sinners for a fraction of a second on the moment of the sinning. Because that moment last only a moment it would mean everyon on earth is without sin. Very hard to accept for me. But I'll accept it for a moment. Why are those sinless people cast into LoF the second death?
It would be much easier for me if you had written: "those who are dead the second time are free from sin."
or
"those who exit the second death are free from sin."