Why the B-I-B-L-E?

[NinjaWizards777]

What personally convincies you that the Bible is Gods revelation to man (above any other text)? its something Ive thought about on and off for awhile and I have my own reasons that I believe of course.

The point is not to "debate" but just to complile of list of reasons that you feel strongly about. could be fun?

[Raggedy Anne]

For me, it is the fulfillment of prophecies that were spoken/written down beforehand.  The incredible nature of some of the books - Genesis and Isaiah, for example.   The illustration of Christ all throughout the Old Testament - books written long before the New Testament was written.

Also, the witness of the Spirit to me -- the fact that there was a time when I read the bible and could not understand it until the Holy Spirit opened it to me.  There were many years for myself not being able to 'hear' what the scriptures were saying that was in anyway helpful to my personal condition.  Those were hard years. 

The complexity of the books -- the fact that the bible is a book that you can literally read and study for your entire life and never run out of things God can reveal to you.  What other book is like that?  That really amazes me. 

Glad you asked.

Anne

[WhiteWings]

For me scientific reasons, complexity and coherence.

[Molly]

One day you realize it was all written by one hand.

[rosered]

  Great Question  Ninja ,

The Bible is the only Book   that has a  million different interpretations
applied from every perspective 

yet it is Truth 

[NinjaWizards777]

something that came to mind today was how the bible tells us so much about God and his ways and wills for our lives...yet also leaves a lot of blanks. This, to some, is an indication of it being false yet if it gave us everything in detail, to the point we didnt even have to think or come to something beyond us (the holy spirit) for discernment...then surely it would be a crock.

But it doesnt give us all the details, it gives us a rough sketch of God. That rough sketch is what makes it possible for relationship and revelation from God, which I would say are like the colors that slowly fill in the sketch as we progress in our walk and study.

[rosered]

something that came to mind today was how the bible tells us so much about God and his ways and wills for our lives...yet also leaves a lot of blanks. This, to some, is an indication of it being false yet if it gave us everything in detail, to the point we didnt even have to think or come to something beyond us (the holy spirit) for discernment...then surely it would be a crock.

But it doesnt give us all the details, it gives us a rough sketch of God. That rough sketch is what makes it possible for relationship and revelation from God, which I would say are like the colors that slowly fill in the sketch as we progress in our walk and study.

Good thoughts , and agree , the  lot of blanks are  probably  room to grow in truth and grace   Bro  :thumbsup:

   a nephew   told   me today we are   like "collecters"  gathering  everything in ,   every experience   thats  written and is  done  and  take it in  to be filtered  and used when needed

 the good and the bad  to help us  by the Spirit  discern  and learn   from it
  by the Increase of God's will  that  works in us all , none of us are so different than one another when  we   express   and communicate and share what is given  by the Lords hand
It was a good day .  :happy3:

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Probably one of the first really profound things for me was to discover all the names in there, written over thousands of years, of people, places, and things, had spiritual significance for us TODAY. Blessings.....

[rosered]

:cloud9: Probably one of the first really profound things for me was to discover all the names in there, written over thousands of years, of people, places, and things, had spiritual significance for us TODAY. Blessings.....

  amen!   nothing like  the good Lord giving  the zeal to look into these  things and the joy of finding out !  a hungry soul can be well fed with  His Holy Spirit leading us to Truth / Him  :HeartThrob:

[Livelystone]

One day you realize it was all written by one hand.

Good post  :thumbsup:

[noname]

I don't believe the Bible is the only revelation of God to man...even the Bible itself says that God has revealed Himself to all people through nature

I've learnt the true nature of God through the example of His son's life, preaching and prophesy...this has guided me to aspire to being the better man which lurks inside me and everyone else, screaming to be set free

[Redlettervoice]

The Bible never ceases to amaze me.  It is "confusion" when
read by the "letter" and causes "arguments" .........

but

when the 'Spirit' "reveals" it, it is an ever unfolding of
the Revelation of Jesus Christ. 

It is revealed "as" a person uses the "light" that is given
and it is ever increasing to the light of the Perfect Day.
And the Perfect Man.

God has written it, however, so that one's growth it the Knowledge of
God is "stopped" til a person "walks" in the "light" he or she
has been given.  Hence, all the arguments.

[Cardinal]

The Bible never ceases to amaze me.  It is "confusion" when
read by the "letter" and causes "arguments" .........

but

when the 'Spirit' "reveals" it, it is an ever unfolding of
the Revelation of Jesus Christ. 

It is revealed "as" a person uses the "light" that is given
and it is ever increasing to the light of the Perfect Day.
And the Perfect Man.

God has written it, however, so that one's growth it the Knowledge of
God is "stopped" til a person "walks" in the "light" he or she
has been given.  Hence, all the arguments.

:cloud9: That's exactly it........all of it comes with a price and the price is you have to walk what is revealed to you. Which is why He asked them if they could drink of the same cup.......they just didn't know yet that the answer to that question was going to be "no, not without Him". Blessings....

[claypot]

I was going to start a new topic but this one seems perfect for what I have on my mind today.

I am thinking we can take any book and make of it whatever we want to believe it to be. I am airing some thoughts here and don't want to sound angry or frustrated but I'm thinking the Bible is being used by God in ways we don't realize. We say it's a source of knowledge, both spiritual and physical and I agree but so are many books. We say it predicts things that come true and I agree but much is in the interpretation and again, we can interpret many writings to say what we want them to say.

It seems there is so much argument where the Bible is concerned. It, like Jesus is reported as saying about Himself, does cause much division.

Those people who really never even see a Bible or have one and never open it or rarely do so, and are good, God fearing people, are these people more blessed than those of us who search it 'daily' and only come up with arguments or things that cause contradictions? I mean it. I know so many really good Christians who know a fraction of the things discussed here at Tentmaker and they are content. They basically know 'Jesus loves me this I know, for the Bible tells me so' and they have their favorite verses and they live their whole lives very content and productive.

What would life be like if the Bible did not even exist? What if we had just good writings of people who were moved by God. Again, what would history and life be like today if the Bible never existed in it's physical form?

cp

[rosered]

I was going to start a new topic but this one seems perfect for what I have on my mind today.

I am thinking we can take any book and make of it whatever we want to believe it to be. I am airing some thoughts here and don't want to sound angry or frustrated but I'm thinking the Bible is being used by God in ways we don't realize. We say it's a source of knowledge, both spiritual and physical and I agree but so are many books. We say it predicts things that come true and I agree but much is in the interpretation and again, we can interpret many writings to say what we want them to say.

It seems there is so much argument where the Bible is concerned. It, like Jesus is reported as saying about Himself, does cause much division.

Those people who really never even see a Bible or have one and never open it or rarely do so, and are good, God fearing people, are these people more blessed than those of us who search it 'daily' and only come up with arguments or things that cause contradictions? I mean it. I know so many really good Christians who know a fraction of the things discussed here at Tentmaker and they are content. They basically know 'Jesus loves me this I know, for the Bible tells me so' and they have their favorite verses and they live their whole lives very content and productive.

What would life be like if the Bible did not even exist? What if we had just good writings of people who were moved by God. Again, what would history and life be like today if the Bible never existed in it's physical form?

cp

Well said Bro C !!
  I to find  sometimes words cannot express   what the Spirit is saying

  and the carnal mind  seems to destroy the works of God  by altering it     

  for me the  renewing of the mind  / Holy Spirit  moving
  and Having the mind of Christ is the only way it seems to Glorify God

in  ways that are pleasing in HIS SIGHT  :cloud9: :HeartThrob:

[claypot]

Hey Rose, what do you think life would be like if we never had the Bible?

cp

[rosered]

 
  Just wanted to also add these  veses  that seem to say  the   ONE MIND of Christ  is the same glory    for our  heavenly Father  that is
union shared  by those in His Body / Jesus  now  



Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus:  


Rom 15:6   That ye may with one mind [and] one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.  


Rom 15:7 ¶ Wherefore receive you one another, as Christ also received us to the glory of God.    :HeartThrob:

[rosered]

Hey Rose, what do you think life would be like if we never had the Bible?

cp

Hi Bro  C  ,

  Well the written Word  seems to  fulfill  some type  of  promise of God 

  maybe those divisions ?

  I know  that when the Law of God is written in our hearts that seems to make  a permanent   impact  of change in us  where as the written word can  cause  many to fall away ..

  what  do you  think  about it Clay  ?
   :HeartThrob:

[rosered]

 
Bro Clay ,
  I was just thinking  how the carnal mind  uses words as weapons  of warring to the flesh  causing   the powers and principalities  in high places to create divisions   siding with  the left or right hand of power
  the left  can mean making a name for yourself  where as   the Right is  the righteous work of   God though  His Son  Jesus Christ , just :2c:

  :HeartThrob: enyoying this  conversation , helping  clear some things up  :icon_flower:

 

[claypot]

I'm not sure of course but I look at this forum and see the zillions of words and debates over every word and punctuation mark of the Bible and then I multiply this by a zillion other sites and ways the Bible is being used and debated and I wonder what God had in mind when creating such a work (I do still think this book is Divine in some fashion).

It just doesn't seem that anyone will ever be able to say 'Aha, now I got it figured out!'. Does God really expect us to figure the Bible out? I mean if it is our path to life and peace and joy then I wonder why it causes so much turmoil, grief and confusion. I mean I know about the carnal and spiritual mindsets but do we really need a physical Bible if it indeed is a spiritual book?

cp

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: The reason for the turmoil is because we are all at various stages of the Word becoming LIFE in us. And it both conceals and reveals truth, with the Spirit being the only one who can unlock it's concealed truth. A lot of the people who use it only have the water baptism and not the Spirit baptism, so without the Key, it's a sealed book. My  :2c: Blessings....

[rosered]

I'm not sure of course but I look at this forum and see the zillions of words and debates over every word and punctuation mark of the Bible and then I multiply this by a zillion other sites and ways the Bible is being used and debated and I wonder what God had in mind when creating such a work (I do still think this book is Divine in some fashion).

It just doesn't seem that anyone will ever be able to say 'Aha, now I got it figured out!'. Does God really expect us to figure the Bible out? I mean if it is our path to life and peace and joy then I wonder why it causes so much turmoil, grief and confusion. I mean I know about the carnal and spiritual mindsets but do we really need a physical Bible if it indeed is a spiritual book?

cp

Hi Bro Clay , Paul was told by the Holy Spirit to write it down in a book  so was John the revelater  ...  these men were given instruction  and they obeyed   what the Spirit was saying
 this why I do believe  Jesus said all manner of sin  will be forgive  except  blaspheming the Holy Spirit

to speak against  the Work of God  :mblush:

 and the outer court  is not measured   because of all the blasphemies  dont you think  thats true ?


It maybe needful and very necessary   bro ...   God looks on the heart and also writes upon the heart ....

Psa 40:7 Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book [it is] written of me,  
Hbr 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.  Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and [offering] for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure [therein]; which are offered by the law;  


Hbr 10:9   Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He takes away the first, that he may establish the second.
 
By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [for all]. the book / body  must be eaten to have Life in you , but it is the Spirit  that  is working within us all  as well  
  the bead and the wine of the new covenant  witness  :HeartThrob:

[rosered]

:cloud9: The reason for the turmoil is because we are all at various stages of the Word becoming LIFE in us. And it both conceals and reveals truth, with the Spirit being the only one who can unlock it's concealed truth. A lot of the people who use it only have the water baptism and not the Spirit baptism, so without the Key, it's a sealed book. My  :2c: Blessings....

  Amen Sis , the opening of the seals  , that we might understand and  SEE HIM / The Christ    Lamb of God . :HeartThrob:

[claypot]

OK, Card and Rose and ??????, how do you think things would be different if we did not have the Bible? Would we be more sane and united or less?

I know I am asking for what can't be known but I think what I am asking is worth some thought. I think God is doing something more here than expecting us to figure out what the Bible is saying.

It conceals and reveals, it is a spiritual book and so on but what about all those who just read it like a story book or an ordinary book and live their lives just fine? I frankly know of no other people who see things in the Bible like many of us do here on this forum. Most of my friends see 'Jesus loves me this I know for the Bible tells me so' and that is good enough for them, oh of course they also see all the physical applications which just blesses their socks off.

cp

[WhiteWings]

Hi CP,

I can't imagine religion without a Bible if God is so distant.
God is always seen as a father. For me a father isn't someone who, ahum, made you and ever loves very much.
It's above all the person that you know. I mean I'm 45 now and next week I learn I was adopted then I have zero interest in who my natural parents are. The ones I know are 100% my parents.
Father never shows up. And without a book how would I know who He is. If He is still alive. What he is like.

Would it matter if there was no Bible.
No Christianity IMO.
We would have another religion.
If there was no religion at all the world would be in less pain. But the more realistic part of me knows "we" would have found an alternative for religious wars/conflicts...

So to summarize. The only difference would be no Christians.