Dissapointment

[rosered]

Your a bit quick to judge.  Chill thineself!  Noones asking you to leave.
If this place is making you so unhappy maybe you should have a break from it.

That's not an issue. I am not "unhappy" I am concerned with the overall move of personality the site is moving to.

I am not emotionally reacting to anything. I am bring up concerns that have been growing for awhile, maybe you should take alook at why you feel this is an emotion man out of control.

I am a man communicating to the community.

We need to be aware of what we are doing and how it effects others.

I realize responsibility lies in the hands of us elders, not so much the new people, but we elders need to step up and prevent what is happening... not pretending that it's not happening.

  yes in a way  that is showing love   , for everyones good
   would you  like for me to leave  this forum  now  Dallas ?

  I know I am one of your main concerns  for  Garys board

[Dallas]

I dont know where we all go from here.

I think we need to acknowledge this and be accountable to ourselves.
The twelve appointed others for helping... but it isn't their job to babysit.

That was a chain of command, each individual is their own.

We have ability to speak.

[jesushandsarekindhands]

Your a bit quick to judge.  Chill thineself!  Noones asking you to leave.
If this place is making you so unhappy maybe you should have a break from it.

That's not an issue. I am not "unhappy" I am concerned with the overall move of personality the site is moving to.

I am not emotionally reacting to anything. I am bring up concerns that have been growing for awhile, maybe you should take alook at why you feel this is an emotion man out of control.

I am a man communicating to the community.

We need to be aware of what we are doing and how it effects others.

I realize responsibility lies in the hands of us elders, not so much the new people, but we elders need to step up and prevent what is happening... not pretending that it's not happening.

Well im with you in many ways Dallas.

All i know is i wouldnt go onto a muslim website and preach what i believe, so i have no idea why mysics and new agers come here...

...I think some people just see universalism as an excuse to say and do and believe what they want.  
Thats FINE if they want to believe what they want, but believeing what they believe (things not biblical) and preaching it on an exclusively Christian website just isnt right....Im sure there are many new age or mysticism websites they could join.  So again, i just dont get why they come here to pass on unbiblical views.

[Taffy]

Your a bit quick to judge.  Chill thineself!  Noones asking you to leave.
If this place is making you so unhappy maybe you should have a break from it.

That's not an issue. I am not "unhappy" I am concerned with the overall move of personality the site is moving to.

I am not emotionally reacting to anything. I am bring up concerns that have been growing for awhile, maybe you should take alook at why you feel this is an emotion man out of control.

I am a man communicating to the community.

We need to be aware of what we are doing and how it effects others.

I realize responsibility lies in the hands of us elders, not so much the new people, but we elders need to step up and prevent what is happening... not pretending that it's not happening.

  yes in a way  that is showing love   , for everyones good
   would you  like for me to leave  this forum  now  Dallas ?

  I know I am one of your main concerns  for  Garys board

for mine No..we are each where we are at sis..and ive known you for yrs..you wouldnt hurt fly..let alone a Soul...

[Taffy]

Hi Dallas

in reply to the op...

Folk will always have a Tendancy to lean towards others of a Similar understanding, nothing there changes ..if theres been any wars of late its between Literalism and spirtiualism, or mysticsism , define it as you will.

theres always a conflict of opinion where ever one posts come Forums and as our understanding grows, we kinda change some...in PART, tis what Seth was endeavouring to convey.

..Card posted this months back..in response to the MYSTERIES ,some may call mystcsism     ya  maybe surprised Just HOW MYSTIC paul was....



plz excuse the on going convo..If you wish to veiw the thread in its entirety ..ill happilly post the link

  I don't know what you are basing your information on, but here is what they have always used as a principle for studying scripture. It is well known in Jewish circles, and this particular quote is from a Messianic rabbi.

"The system of hebraic understanding used by all hebrew prophets and scholars was and remains a system that goes by the acronym of PARDES which stands for PASHAT/ Literal primary meaning, REMEZ/Hints in the text of something deeper, DRASH/ The added understanding that can only be gleaned by parables, riddles, stories etc and SOD/ Secrets and mysteries which are mysterious underlying secrets revealed in text."

  In addition to that, Paul said though I know ALL MYSTERIES...and there are other scriptures that mention mystery or mysteries. So I consider Paul to be the premiere example of a "mystical Christian", particularly since what He was taught of the mysteries was given to Him by the Spirit of the risen Lord not by the disciples who knew Him after the flesh, nor the imaginations of men, and certainly not by the devil.

Obviously there were Jews who went about establishing their own righteousness and  it only got worse after Jesus came on the scene (out of bitterness and jealousy); much of the Talmud (which is not considered scripture) is proof of this. But to call THEM "mystical" is inaccurate, just as calling the other "branch" of them not mystical is also inaccurate, as the OT came through mystical experiences with God which is to say, through the Spirit in various ways.

John the Baptist's father was a levitical priest, and he certainly had a mystical experience with the authority of the Spirit of God, as did the devout man Simeon and the woman Anna in the temple at Jesus's presentation. The OT is full of such experiences, and what you fail to realize is that mystical experiences come with understanding, in all your getting, get understanding. The experience cannot be separated from the Spirit of Truth, because they are one and the same, therefore understanding is automatically present.

Understanding here is not as the carnal mind's understanding of a provable fact, but it itself is an attribute of the Spirit of God and is instantaneously deposited into the believer, as if it was something they had always known , ie. no thinking about it was necessary or even possible prior to receiving it, because it BYPASSES THE CARNAL MIND ALTOGETHER and goes directly into the spirit, and THEN is retrievable by the carnal mind, not the other way around.

Simply put, it is the culmination of union, as between a man/Spirit and his wife/soul = "child"/new LIFE. Just as we are not aware of the exact second of conception in the natural, so too are we unaware of the twinkling of an eye split second that the mystical experience brought understanding, for as soon as it happens, it produced new life.

[Taffy]

its kinda like selah..


Hi Dallas

in reply to the op...

Folk will always have a Tendancy to lean towards others of a Similar understanding, nothing there changes ..if theres been any wars of late its between Literalism and spirtiualism, or mysticsism , define it as you will.

theres always a conflict of opinion where ever one posts come Forums and as our understanding grows, we kinda change some...in PART, tis what Seth was endeavouring to convey.

..Card posted this months back..in response to the MYSTERIES ,some may call mystcsism     ya  maybe surprised Just HOW MYSTIC paul was....



plz excuse the on going convo..If you wish to veiw the thread in its entirety ..ill happilly post the link

  I don't know what you are basing your information on, but here is what they have always used as a principle for studying scripture. It is well known in Jewish circles, and this particular quote is from a Messianic rabbi.

"The system of hebraic understanding used by all hebrew prophets and scholars was and remains a system that goes by the acronym of PARDES which stands for PASHAT/ Literal primary meaning, REMEZ/Hints in the text of something deeper, DRASH/ The added understanding that can only be gleaned by parables, riddles, stories etc and SOD/ Secrets and mysteries which are mysterious underlying secrets revealed in text."

  In addition to that, Paul said though I know ALL MYSTERIES...and there are other scriptures that mention mystery or mysteries. So I consider Paul to be the premiere example of a "mystical Christian", particularly since what He was taught of the mysteries was given to Him by the Spirit of the risen Lord not by the disciples who knew Him after the flesh, nor the imaginations of men, and certainly not by the devil.

Obviously there were Jews who went about establishing their own righteousness and  it only got worse after Jesus came on the scene (out of bitterness and jealousy); much of the Talmud (which is not considered scripture) is proof of this. But to call THEM "mystical" is inaccurate, just as calling the other "branch" of them not mystical is also inaccurate, as the OT came through mystical experiences with God which is to say, through the Spirit in various ways.

John the Baptist's father was a levitical priest, and he certainly had a mystical experience with the authority of the Spirit of God, as did the devout man Simeon and the woman Anna in the temple at Jesus's presentation. The OT is full of such experiences, and what you fail to realize is that mystical experiences come with understanding, in all your getting, get understanding. The experience cannot be separated from the Spirit of Truth, because they are one and the same, therefore understanding is automatically present.

Understanding here is not as the carnal mind's understanding of a provable fact, but it itself is an attribute of the Spirit of God and is instantaneously deposited into the believer, as if it was something they had always known , ie. no thinking about it was necessary or even possible prior to receiving it, because it BYPASSES THE CARNAL MIND ALTOGETHER and goes directly into the spirit, and THEN is retrievable by the carnal mind, not the other way around.

Simply put, it is the culmination of union, as between a man/Spirit and his wife/soul = "child"/new LIFE. Just as we are not aware of the exact second of conception in the natural, so too are we unaware of the twinkling of an eye split second that the mystical experience brought understanding, for as soon as it happens, it produced new life.

[Dallas]

yes in a way  that is showing love   , for everyones good
  would you  like for me to leave  this forum  now  Dallas ?

 I know I am one of your main concerns  for  Garys board

What makes you think that you are that important to me?

I realize you may think I am out to get you, to that end... I have never said, or even suggested as such. It's quite interesting to me though that you would just assume that I am that consumed with you.

My opinion, you are someone who shows what i am talking about. You aren't THE problem. The problem is we have a community that allows people to grow into a person who displays the problem behavior.   And like Jesus showed us, behavior can be forgiven, and the heart can change.

[HartleyDamboiseII]

Just some soft words friends
I'll proceed to show that like Chris's flesh,and indeed like every other revelation which God has made of Himself, the letter of Scripture is a VAIL quite as much as a revelation, hiding while it reveals, and yet revealing while it hides; presenting to the eye something very different from that which is within, even as the veil of the Tabernacle, with its inwoven cherubim, hid the glory within the veil, of which nevertheless it was the witness; and that therefore, as seen by sense, it is and must be apparently inconsistent and self-contradictory. Both these points are important; for if God's revelations of Himself are veils, even while they are also manifestations; and if therefore they are and must be open to the charge of inconsistency and contradiction; this fact will help us to understand, not only why Scripture is what it is, but also how to interpret its varied truths and doctrines and thus help us with todays thread.

God alone of all teacher has had two methods, law and gospel, flesh and Spirit,---one working where we are, the other to bring us in REST where He is,---one to be done away, the other to abide. Which at least looks like inconsistency. The reason is that God is Love, and that in no other way could He ever have reached us where we were, or brought us where He is.

Pg 9, 14 of Restitution of all things. Andrew Jukes

[Taffy]

yes in a way  that is showing love   , for everyones good
  would you  like for me to leave  this forum  now  Dallas ?

 I know I am one of your main concerns  for  Garys board

What makes you think that you are that important to me?

I realize you may think I am out to get you, to that end... I have never said, or even suggested as such. It's quite interesting to me though that you would just assume that I am that consumed with you.

My opinion, you are someone who shows what i am talking about. You aren't THE problem. The problem is we have a community that allows people to grow into a person who displays the problem behavior.   And like Jesus showed us, behavior can be forgiven, and the heart can change.

Lighten Up bud
cant you recognise a concerned HEART ?

[Dallas]

I would assume that the spamming was an accident Taffy? :laughing7:

[Zeek]

I'm starting with the man in the mirror
I'm asking him to change his ways
And no message could have been any clearer
If you wanna make the world a better place
Take a look at yourself and then make a change, yey
Na na na, na na na, na na na na oh ho

[Taffy]

I would assume that the spamming was an accident Taffy? :laughing7:

lol dallas... just thought it may have got missed by some ,as the posts were flying Bud...lol; :icon_flower:

[Dallas]

Lighten Up bud
cant you recognise a concerned HEART ?

Please explain to me my inappropriateness. When someone over reacts to me, I am not allowed to use the same voice to respond to them?

If you read the bottom of the post you will see I wasn't being anything but fair.

[Dallas]

I'm starting with the man in the mirror
I'm asking him to change his ways
And no message could have been any clearer
If you wanna make the world a better place
Take a look at yourself and then make a change, yey
Na na na, na na na, na na na na oh ho

And don't listen to the men with the cure
If you wanna make the world a better place
Just take a look at yourself and make a...
Change :thumbsup:

[Taffy]

Lighten Up bud
cant you recognise a concerned HEART ?

Please explain to me my inappropriateness. When someone over reacts to me, I am not allowed to use the same voice to respond to them?

If you read the bottom of the post you will see I wasn't being anything but fair.

well Dallas..ya sure wernt breaching...but amid posting as quick as you have been , Just maybe you mis interpreted Roseys Intent..thats all Bud..thats all?

[HartleyDamboiseII]

but when someone is passing on unbiblical views of any kind, i think they really should leave.  We are to accept all people and we do, but this is either a Biblical website or its not.

Just because we believe in universalism for all people, doesnt give us a ticket to preach what is contrary to the Bible.

jesushandsarelovinghands

that above statement was totally uncalled for. UNBIBLICAL according to whom???
baptist, mormans, catholics or maybe YOU.

Sorry for the harshness but it is that type of statement that he was talking about.
I have been a member for years, and no one can say absolutely what is unbiblical.  

[Gab]

Can we at least all just get out in the open what we're talking about so everyone can be on the same page?  If there's one thing in life that I've found is very, very good at spreading the seeds of distrust and resentment, it's vague, almost passive-aggressive accusations that somebody is doing something but without any information to actually identify the problems so they can be understood and discussed.  Innuendo never helped anything.

[Dallas]

Taff;

Just so you understand me a bit... I don't interpret what people say, I simply hold them accountable to the words they use.

She wanted me to acknowldge something I never said, and after a few posts of those insertion I addressed it... that's all.

Especially on a web chat system, interpretation is not a viable resource. :2c:

[Zeek]

And don't listen to the men with the cure

are you a man??  

are you suggesting a change  here, possibly a cure for this forum and ultimately mankind??

[rosered]

yes in a way  that is showing love   , for everyones good
  would you  like for me to leave  this forum  now  Dallas ?

 I know I am one of your main concerns  for  Garys board

What makes you think that you are that important to me?

I realize you may think I am out to get you, to that end... I have never said, or even suggested as such. It's quite interesting to me though that you would just assume that I am that consumed with you.

My opinion, you are someone who shows what i am talking about. You aren't THE problem. The problem is we have a community that allows people to grow into a person who displays the problem behavior.   And like Jesus showed us, behavior can be forgiven, and the heart can change.

LOL ..  Dallas
  you are not going to make me cry .. there was a time  when you would have crushed me with your words
 they are just words ..
 you are  upset / concerned   for everyone ..     and I   did not mean to take it personally
 who knows lol Like Jesus taught in Matt 13  
 with  these  persecutions  i might just bear some fruit !!  ha ha  :HeartThrob:
 hang in there  as we all must do in all times and in all things ..

[Molly]

Hi Dallas, I think you should post more because as we each add our drops of water to the mix, the cup begins to overflow.

We are many voices--with some thundering and some lightning,--but all are important.

Is that too mystical?  It is not one voice coming from the throne--it is many.

God loves our individuality.  He made us this way.

Don't tell us what to be.  Show us by being it.


5And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices:

--Rev 1

[Taffy]

Taff;

Just so you understand me a bit... I don't interpret what people say, I simply hold them accountable to the words they use.

She wanted me to acknowldge something I never said, and after a few posts of those insertion I addressed it... that's all.

Especially on a web chat system, interpretation is not a viable resource. :2c:

no problem Dallas ..nothing  more NEED be said. :icon_flower:

[jesushandsarekindhands]

but when someone is passing on unbiblical views of any kind, i think they really should leave.  We are to accept all people and we do, but this is either a Biblical website or its not.

Just because we believe in universalism for all people, doesnt give us a ticket to preach what is contrary to the Bible.

jesushandsarelovinghands

that above statement was totally uncalled for. UNBIBLICAL according to whom???
baptist, mormans, catholics or maybe YOU.

Sorry for the harshness but it is that type of statement that he was talking about.
I have been a member for years, and no one can say absolutely what is unbiblical.  

Sometimes people on the forums have said VERY unbiblical things.

Someone said earlier that all scripture wasnt God breathed.
The scriptures say all scripture was God breathed.

THAT WAS an unbiblical comment and the person is constanly talking contrary to what is biblical.  

Should it be accepted on a Christian forum?  The debate goes on...

[Dallas]

but when someone is passing on unbiblical views of any kind, i think they really should leave.  We are to accept all people and we do, but this is either a Biblical website or its not.

People shouldn't have to leave, just behave. All are free to express, but with respect.

Can we at least all just get out in the open what we're talking about so everyone can be on the same page?

Can validate this, this thread is probably the most open I've seen in a while. :thumbsup:

[rosered]

Can we at least all just get out in the open what we're talking about so everyone can be on the same page?  If there's one thing in life that I've found is very, very good at spreading the seeds of distrust and resentment, it's vague, almost passive-aggressive accusations that somebody is doing something but without any information to actually identify the problems so they can be understood and discussed.  Innuendo never helped anything.

 sooooo very  true  :thumbsup: