The mark of the beast.

[WhiteWings]

I have to say I agree.. although every single thing in the Bible has a spiritual meaning and lesson, it's still all quite literal. Also every prophecied judgment in the Old Testament, except for in the case of Ninevah when they repented and changed their Godless course, was literal (fiery) judgments/consequences.

That's exactly the same observation I made.
So you probably are wrong :laughing7:
But we are no longer living in OT times. Just thinking out loud....
OT=Works=literal.
NT=Faith=spiritual.
Perhaps the judgement "type" also changed?
The destruction of Jerusalem 70 AD was very literal but perhaps that can be explained if we assume NT times started at resurrection and the prophesy was an OT one; so literal.

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[glenda]

That's exactly the same observation I made.
So you probably are wrong :laughing7:
But we are no longer living in OT times. Just thinking out loud....
OT=Works=literal.
NT=Faith=spiritual.
Perhaps the judgement "type" also changed?
The destruction of Jerusalem 70 AD was very literal but perhaps that can be explained if we assume NT times started at resurrection and the prophesy was an OT one; so literal.

:2c: :2c:
:2c:

I think of "judgement" as consequences, in much the same manner as "the wages of sin is death" which is to say, the result of sin is death, until we repent and turn to the Lord, so too, with the consequences the world is heaping up, if they repent and turn/believe, collapse(apocalypse) need not occur.. Isn't this the "learning of good from evil"? (liFe from death). It's why the languages were confused at Babel Tower, apocalypse/collapse would have occured way too soon, proving nothing.. You know, when God endowed thinking ability (thus choice) a whole new world (or tree) of possibilities 'came to be'. And as a result all suffer some, and some even horribly. But God, being Life itself (who/what else could be?) he suffers, lives through, and experiences aLL sufferings which ever occur. Why would He put Himself through all this? Because He's not creating an ant farm and robots, but a family, and an UNbreakable paradise.. un-breakable because the knowing of good from evil,life from death, will be deeeply engraved on every heart, mind and psyche.. Apocalypse began when God endowed thinking ability, and is an unavoidable journey and lesson.. if there's to be rational creatures that is..
:bigGrin:

[Barry DuPont]

Quote:
Perhaps the judgement "type" also changed?
The destruction of Jerusalem 70 AD was very literal
End quote.

You are IMHO on the right track whitewings.

Here is my take:
There is a difference between being one that inherits and one that is a benefactor.
Judgment was about reward and inheritance and how that was divided.
We are the recipients of that Judgment having taken place. We are the benefactors. We take the spiritual truths and apply them as benefactors since everything has been made new. Not as ones coming out of the old covenant, but as ones that are dealing with some of these issues between our ears still because we are still impacting ongoing history even though everything has been made new.
Placing things in there original setting and context remains an important part in how we apply things in our own time.
JMO Barry

[SQ]

Thanks everyone this is a great thread, I have read Revelation a few times but still having a time understanding.
I am getting a little at a time though, and that is a blessing. :Sparkletooth:

[Beloved Servant]

He often works that way.
Line upon line.
Precept upon precept.
Deep calls unto deep.

  www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdQje_gJ0ko

[glenda]

Quote:

Placing things in there original setting and context remains an important part in how we apply things in our own time.
JMO Barry

..it's a continuing story... (the Bible as a whole of course)

[Beloved Servant]

As a trumpet: The restitution of all things includes the written Works of the Spirit.








(IMHO)

[peacemaker]

"Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh have gone out into the world; buying and selling the word."

Those who do not belong to this worldly monetary system of disbelief, do not have the mark ingrained into their being, rendering to Caesar (themselves); but serve the true and living God.

As for me and my house, we will freely serve the LORD now.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9:  :thumbsup:

[glenda]

Those who do not belong to this worldly monetary system of disbelief, do not have the mark ingrained into their being, rendering to Caesar (themselves); but serve the true and living God.

Amen.. Also, the restition of all things, including the written works of the Spirit will be awesome.. and how awesome to know that those who have not been saved.. have not been saved yet! And of such were each one of us.. cancels out all boasting.. forever.. all coming to the Lord when He sees fit.. all a perfect drama, this learning of good from evil (life from death) ...drama means, some must play the part of unknowing for longer.. He has done all things perfectly in order to bring about the most perfect of all possibilities.. It is impossible that anything less than the best possible possibility be the 'end' result.
  - Because He is Perfect, nothing else is possible.