I have three questions.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Hi Sis.........there are two resurrections mentioned. One is while still in the body, available in the 7th day of which we have entered, and another "general" one ensuring that none be "left out" in the end of this age, which is ending now. God always deals with a firstfruits before He does anything else. That is what He is doing now, ie. dealing with a firstfruits, just like Joshua and Caleb, ect. Blessings.....

[sparrow]

:cloud9: Hi Sis.........there are two resurrections mentioned. One is while still in the body, available in the 7th day of which we have entered, and another "general" one ensuring that none be "left out" in the end of this age, which is ending now. God always deals with a firstfruits before He does anything else. That is what He is doing now, ie. dealing with a firstfruits, just like Joshua and Caleb, ect. Blessings.....

ok, so are you saying that those whose bodies have already perished/put in a coffin and buried... that THOSE people are part of the "general" resurrection?

and for others... they won't even die physically and have their bodies put in a coffin and buried... but that their bodies will be instantly glorified "changed in the twinkling of an eye"...

Is that what you mean?

Again, the ONLY reason I am asking is to clarify what you believe.
I'm not here to debate.
I know what I believe, I'm just trying to understand what it is that YOU beleive.
That's all.
Nothing more.
Nothing less.

Just clarification.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: You got it! Blessings....

[sparrow]

Ok!!  :grin:
Now we're getting close.

So... do you believe in a millenial reign that is about to start..(in your lifetime)?
So people will continue to physically die, but not those who are the elect?


Perhaps this question seems to have come out of left field, I don't know...
but this is maybe the only scenario I can think of that aligns with what I think you are saying.

peace.

thanks!

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Have you noticed how natural and spiritual even in the context of linear time, line up, which the pattern of the Tabernacle also bears witness to? So having said that, yes I do believe in a literal dispensation, but the spiritual dispensation of that 7th day, by virtue of being not bound by time, which IS CHRIST, has always been.

Our eyes are just being opened to spiritual realities that were first revealed to the disciples of the Lord, but as men out of season, they could not walk in it, but rather laid down their lives as seed to bring forth what was revealed to them, for THIS GENERATION.
Blessings....

[Molly]

This has been a pretty exciting discussion.

I hope the three questions got answered... :laughing7:

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: I don't even remember what the three questions, WERE, LOL.........hope I didn't derail the thread  :mblush: Blessings....

[Molly]

:cloud9: I don't even remember what the three questions, WERE, LOL.........hope I didn't derail the thread  :mblush: Blessings....

This thread is the highway to heaven.

Nothing could derail it.


7 The burning sand will become a pool,
       the thirsty ground bubbling springs.
       In the haunts where jackals once lay,
       grass and reeds and papyrus will grow.

8 And a highway will be there;
       it will be called the Way of Holiness.
       The unclean will not journey on it;
       it will be for those who walk in that Way;
       wicked fools will not go about on it.

9 No lion will be there,
       nor will any ferocious beast get up on it;
       they will not be found there.
       But only the redeemed will walk there,

--Isa 35

[sparrow]

Well...
I have no problem with dying a physical death.

I suppose we just have different beliefs.

I can't make sense of what you all are saying and I think my questions and you guys' answers is making it even LESS clear.

So...perhaps another time this topic will come up again.

But for now...
I guess I'll just say peace to ya and have a nice night.

:HeartThrob:

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: And I thought I WAS helping to make it more clear...... :dontknow: Nite........Blessings....

[sparrow]

:cloud9: And I thought I WAS helping to make it more clear...... :dontknow: Nite........Blessings....

Sorry no... :sigh:

Just being honest.
peace to ya, Cardinal.

[jabcat]

Dear Sparrow, look to Jesus.  As I've contemplated this thread, that's what He's impressed upon me.  Look unto Him.

...LOOKING UNTO JESUS, THE AUTHOR AND FINISHER OF OUR FAITH..." Hebrews 12:2

God's blessings, James.

[sparrow]

Dear Sparrow, look to Jesus.  As I've contemplated this thread, that's what He's impressed upon me.  Look unto Him.

...LOOKING UNTO JESUS, THE AUTHOR AND FINISHER OF OUR FAITH..." Hebrews 12:2

God's blessings, James.

:HeartThrob:

[Seth]

God bless you guys  :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob:

[WhiteWings]

God bless you guys  :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob:

What about the gals?

[Seth]

Oh yeah, oh yeah. God bless you too "gals."

I thought the gals were covered in my figure of speech.  :laughing7:

[WhiteWings]

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[Seth]

eeeeeeeewwwwwwww!

[Cardinal]

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:cloud9: WW, I'll have you know I resemble that remark!  :mrflo:

[Redlettervoice]

:cloud9: Hi Sis.........there are two resurrections mentioned. One is while still in the body, available in the 7th day of which we have entered, and another "general" one ensuring that none be "left out" in the end of this age, which is ending now. God always deals with a firstfruits before He does anything else. That is what He is doing now, ie. dealing with a firstfruits, just like Joshua and Caleb, ect. Blessings.....

The Bible does speak of a first resurrection, so naturally,
there is a second. 

It seems that spiritually speaking that the "manchild" was caught up
to the throne, before the "woman" who brought him forth, or gave
"birth" to him.

The manchild rules the nations with a rod of iron.

When the "woman" is reunited, does she rule with LOVE? Just a
question, and for sure, she has to be reunited with that.  Is all
that spiritual?

That and 1st Peter one nine which says "receiving the END of your
faith, even the salvation of your SOULS, seems to take care of
the "soul and body" .......

Now we got one more thing to know, Lord!!! That is the "redemption
of the BODY" Romans 8.  So that would be the LAST thing, right?

How is the "body" redeemed? And where is that "body" which is
"changed" seen?

Is that body, which is "changed" the one that does not SLEEP?
We shall not all sleep, but we shall be "changed."

Being "changed" is not necessarily putting on the NEW BODY reserved
in heaven for us, is it? Not necessarily the "tabernacle" eternal?

Is there a difference here?

Now when it comes to the thousand year stuff, I have NEVER been
told a thing on that.........so I really don't know.  And when I get this'
BODY thing figured out, I'll say more. ha

[SQ]

Well...
I have no problem with dying a physical death.

I suppose we just have different beliefs.

I can't make sense of what you all are saying and I think my questions and you guys' answers is making it even LESS clear.

So...perhaps another time this topic will come up again.

But for now...
I guess I'll just say peace to ya and have a nice night.

:HeartThrob:

I am glad you brought this up, cause I am a little confused by some of the posts also.
I can't imagine no physical death we have to die to get to where we are going, is what I believed.
This is a great thread regardless of my lack of understanding. :cloud9:

[Gilbert]

:cloud9: Hi Sis.........there are two resurrections mentioned. One is while still in the body, available in the 7th day of which we have entered, and another "general" one ensuring that none be "left out" in the end of this age, which is ending now. God always deals with a firstfruits before He does anything else. That is what He is doing now, ie. dealing with a firstfruits, just like Joshua and Caleb, ect. Blessings.....

The Bible does speak of a first resurrection, so naturally,
there is a second. 

It seems that spiritually speaking that the "manchild" was caught up
to the throne, before the "woman" who brought him forth, or gave
"birth" to him.

The manchild rules the nations with a rod of iron.

When the "woman" is reunited, does she rule with LOVE? Just a
question, and for sure, she has to be reunited with that.  Is all
that spiritual?

That and 1st Peter one nine which says "receiving the END of your
faith, even the salvation of your SOULS, seems to take care of
the "soul and body" .......

Now we got one more thing to know, Lord!!! That is the "redemption
of the BODY" Romans 8.  So that would be the LAST thing, right?

How is the "body" redeemed? And where is that "body" which is
"changed" seen?

Is that body, which is "changed" the one that does not SLEEP?
We shall not all sleep, but we shall be "changed."

Being "changed" is not necessarily putting on the NEW BODY reserved
in heaven for us, is it? Not necessarily the "tabernacle" eternal?

Is there a difference here?

Now when it comes to the thousand year stuff, I have NEVER been
told a thing on that.........so I really don't know.  And when I get this'
BODY thing figured out, I'll say more. ha

Hi! RedLetterVoice

Not surprisingly, your observations are correct concerning the reality of a first and second resurrection.
Things can get somewhat confusing because oftentimes a Bible translation can improperly assign a word which was not intended in the original manuscript.
This becomes apparent with the term 'spiritual body' and 'glorified body' too.
These are subjects best approached collectively; by that I mean: neither the resurrection nor the substance of the spiritual body can be understood separately ... they must be woven into a single scripturally consistent thread.
The same can be said about 'Hell' and 'Hades' and 'Death'. If these terms are studied independent of one another, it can become rather confusing.
For instance, yesterday I was busy drafting a study concerning the spiritual body. Where did I begin? Well, it wasn't the obvious 1Cor 15:44. No, I had to go back to the beginning; back to Genesis.
Why begin there? Insight into the beginning is extremely important; it is in Genesis where we first read of man being invested with a spiritual body.
If you wish, we can together study these things and maybe arrive at some better understandings.

[Beloved Servant]

IN THE TWINKLING OF AN EYE

Our change from mortal to immortal, from corruptible to incorruptible is a promise of God that can no more fail or pass away than any other of God's promises. "Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye... for this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality" (I Cor. 15:51-53).

I want to show you one of the hidden secrets of God, that only the Spirit of Truth can bring forth. After saying, "but we shall all be changed," the next words read, "in a moment." The Greek word used here for "moment" is ATOMOS. This passage is the only place in the Greek New Testament where this word is used. ATOMOS is the word from which is derived our English word "atom." The word carried the meaning in the Greek of that which is UNCUTTABLE or INDIVISIBLE because the Greeks believed that the atom was the smallest particle of matter that existed, therefore it could not be divided, cut, split, or reduced in any way. The translators have taken this to mean that our bodies shall be changed in "an atom of time," that is, in an instant of time so brief that you could not make it any quicker, or reduce the time in any measure. I can understand their reasoning, but it seems to me far afield from the facts. There are other Greek words that do mean moment, an infinitesimal period of time. If the Spirit intended this to be - in a moment - then why did He use the word ATOMOS instead of the word that actually means Moment. For instance, in II Cor. 4:17 we find the statement, "For our light afflictions which are but for a moment..." This word "moment" comes from the Greek word PARAUTIKA which means instant or momentary. So why did the Spirit use the word ATOMOS instead of the word PARAUTIKA when He said, "We shall all be changed, in a moment ... if He meant moment? And why do the translators persist in translating it "moment"? There must have been a reason for the Holy Spirit to use the word ATOMOS, that God has kept hidden from the translators. Does not this word ATOMOS indicate that we shall be changed in the ATOMS of our bodies, in the very structure and substance of our outer house, in the ATOMICAL STRUCTURE of our bodies? "We shall be changed in ATOMS, in ATOMICAL STRUCTURE, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump!" Certainly this is much more in harmony with the subject: "There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly" I Cor. 15:44,49). Certainly this involves a change in our atomical structure!

Following these words the apostle hastily adds this enigmatical phrase, "in the twinkling of any eye." "Twinkling" is from the Greek word RHIPE meaning "a jerk" of the eyes. RHIPE is from the root RHIPTO, a word which indicates a sudden motion; to hurl with a rapid movement; a stroke; to toss; to fling. The twinkling of an eye relates not so much to time as it does to the ACTION and MOTION involved. It is not a question of how quickly the eyelids flutter, but the fact of a movement, a jerk, a change of direction, a SUDDEN REFOCUSING OR LOOKING AWAY. If I were reading a book and I heard the door open, I would swiftly dart my eyes in the direction of the door to see who is entering. I would LOOK AWAY from the book and quickly REFOCUS my sight on the person coming through the door. This abrupt motion, this sudden refocusing of vision, this rapid change of eye contact is what is indicated by the Greek word RHIPE.

When our attention is unexpectedly attracted by a sudden burst of revelation and spiritual understanding there is that instantaneous "turning away" from our former concepts, beliefs, actions and ways, to behold and embrace the truth and glory of God disclosed by inspiration of the Holy Spirit. This sudden change in perspective, this immediate transformation of consciousness satisfies precisely the meaning of the Greek phrase - "in the twinkling of an eye." It bespeaks vision, illumination, understanding, perception and perspective. Furthermore, it has absolutely nothing to do with a so called "rapture of the saints," or the "second coming of Jesus." Plainly and unquestionably it concerns O-U-R CHANGE, O-U-R TRANSFORMATION into the image of Christ. It says nothing about us being "raptured" in the twinkling of an eye; what it does say is that "WE SHALL BE CHANGED in a moment (in atoms), in the twinkling (re-focused vision) of an eye." Yet the preachers loudly proclaim on the basis of this verse that Jesus will return in a split second, and the saints will in a flash of time travel a trillion miles cf miracle at the Rapture. It is as pure a myth as ever entered the brain of man!

My heart leaps within me as I contemplate this wonderful reality - being CHANGED! From the distant mountain peaks of faith comes a sound as clear as morning chimes. It is the voice of the inspired apostle sounding out from centuries past, "BEHOLDING as in a glass the glory of the Lord, WE ARE CHANGED into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord" (II Cor. 3:18). Beholding - we are changed! It is the same message - "We shall be changed ... in the twinkling of an eye!" We are changed by a beholding, by a looking, by A LOOK. Betimes it takes a lot to turn us. The Psalmist cries out, "Turn us, O Lord. Cause Thy face to shine and we shall be saved" (Ps. 8O:3,7,19). It is only as we turn in the direction of the present glory that we can know transformation! You can read the history of revivals, you can study the exploits of men of faith in centuries past, you can reminisce about the great visitations of God yesteryear. There is not enough power in such things to transform you. And there no need to cry, "Lord, do it again!" for our God is ever progressive in His dealings and the outworking of His purposes, and He doesn't retrogress to "do it again." This is a New Day and God will do a New Thing! Transformation comes only in the light of the present glory and revelation of Jesus Christ. We must turn, to behold Him as He is, not as He was. There is a multitude of people today whose experience goes no further than small measure of knowledge about the historical Jesus they read of in the Gospels. Countless thousands more know Him only in the light of yesterday's revelation. Oh! we need to turn to Him today by the Spirit. Seeing and knowing Him involves an on-going unveiling of Jesus Christ by the Holy Spirit.
                                  — Preston Eby                                        
                                      LOOKING FOR HIS APPEARING, Part 36  
                                      Kingdombiblestudies.org

[Molly]

 :Sparkletooth:

[Redlettervoice]

Gilbert!! Let's do. 

If you wish, we can together study these things and maybe arrive at some better understandings.

You first.