Revelation 22:11 is happening in the New Earth and the New Heavens...

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August 24, 2009, 10:22:40 PM Last Edit: August 24, 2009, 10:38:40 PM by lee100
everyone,

Rev 22:11 "The one acting unjustly let him act unjustly still, and the filthy (person) let him be made filthy still, and the righteous (person) let him practice righteousness still, and the holy( person) let him be holy still."

This is happening in the New Earth and the New Heavens. This is why the heart does not change simply because you die. The unjustly..the filthy.will continue to be unjustly and filthy in hell. They will continue to sin and blaspheme God's name in hell. They don't want Jesus when they were alive and they won't want Jesus after they die.These unbelievers are acting unjust and filthy in the New Heavens and New Earth age or time or eternal whatever you want to call it. Its over.. All the believers.. the righteous and holy people are eternally with the Godhead and the unbelievers are acting unjust and filthy and are with the devil and his cohorts in hell .

claypot

#1
August 24, 2009, 10:31:28 PM
I think I'm changing my mind about coglee. I think he wants to be in our family but just can't come out and say it. Let's keep him, huh gang?

cp
For it is God who works in us to will and to do of His good pleasure.

Cardinal

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August 24, 2009, 10:39:31 PM Last Edit: August 24, 2009, 10:50:35 PM by Cardinal
 :cloud9: Lee, do you even understand what happens when we die? The spirit returns to the One who sent it, the soul, separated from the spirit, stays bound in whatever it did not overcome thru the Spirit of Christ, while in life in the body.

The re-union of the two in HIS Spirit, IS the resurrection. The Spirit of Christ IS the rest, IS the sabbath day, IS the resurrection.

Which is why He said.........Lu 14:5 - And answered them, saying, Which of you shall have an ass or an ox FALLEN INTO A PIT, and will not straightway pull him out on the sabbath day?

Well, answer the question Lee? Which of you, ie. Pharisaical legalists who stumble over the very first "stone/rock", which is that revelation of the Spirit is needed to perceive the things of the Christ, the Son of the living God, would not loose your carnal ass nature (soul), on THIS, the Sabbath day? Blessings....
"I would rather train twenty men to pray, than a thousand to preach; A minister's highest mission ought to be to teach his people to pray." -H. MacGregor

Cardinal

#3
August 24, 2009, 10:40:49 PM
Quote from: claypot on August 24, 2009, 10:31:28 PM
I think I'm changing my mind about coglee. I think he wants to be in our family but just can't come out and say it. Let's keep him, huh gang? cp

:cloud9: Me too CP........I think we're beginning to grow on each other.  :winkgrin: Blessings....
"I would rather train twenty men to pray, than a thousand to preach; A minister's highest mission ought to be to teach his people to pray." -H. MacGregor

claypot

#4
August 25, 2009, 01:16:33 AM
Quote from: lee100 on August 24, 2009, 10:22:40 PM
everyone,

Rev 22:11 "The one acting unjustly let him act unjustly still, and the filthy (person) let him be made filthy still, and the righteous (person) let him practice righteousness still, and the holy( person) let him be holy still."

This is happening in the New Earth and the New Heavens. This is why the heart does not change simply because you die. The unjustly..the filthy.will continue to be unjustly and filthy in hell. They will continue to sin and blaspheme God's name in hell. They don't want Jesus when they were alive and they won't want Jesus after they die.These unbelievers are acting unjust and filthy in the New Heavens and New Earth age or time or eternal whatever you want to call it. Its over.. All the believers.. the righteous and holy people are eternally with the Godhead and the unbelievers are acting unjust and filthy and are with the devil and his cohorts in hell .

He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. 

12  And, behold, I come quickly;

I like to think Jesus is saying........ "Good or bad, I'm coming and I will set all in order when I get there."

When Christ is sent or revealed in a person there is great war and confusion and sometimes horrible fights but in the end God is All in all. Go figure.

cp




For it is God who works in us to will and to do of His good pleasure.

jabcat

#5
August 25, 2009, 02:16:35 AM Last Edit: August 25, 2009, 02:42:57 AM by jabcat
There are several possibilities as to interpretation of these verses.  However, a closed-minded individual would likely not be open to that possible further revelation from the Father.  Sometimes due to our stubborness and rebellion, God reaches and restores us through painful destruction. 

But IF Rev. 22 (and the end of 21) were a picture of the new heaven and new earth, then several other things would be happening as well. 

The leaves of the tree of life are for the healing of the nations; the bride (us, the previously redeemed) are saying "come";  the gates are open day and night; and the kings are bringing the nations into it.  Good passage of scripture. 

Much of the time it's the gentle and "unchurched" that can see it, not the hard-coated religious - though, thank God, undeservedly He did break through my religion to show me His grace and mercy.  Either way, it's only seen and believed by revelation - God's.

So I'll not argue, but I will declare;  Jesus, Savior of the world.  John 4:42.
The oldest known manuscripts agree with each other 99% of the time.  The scriptures, accurately translated, Spirit revealed - reliable.   Looking unto Jesus, the Author and Finisher of our faith.  Heb. 12:2

Seth

#6
August 25, 2009, 02:22:00 AM
An interesting article on Tentmaker regarding "Heaven And Earth" detailing the reasoning behind the idea that "Heaven and Earth" is prophetic language signifying Israel. This makes much sense to me in how "the new heaven and new earth" coincide prophetically with New Jerusalem which is the bride. Therefore "the new heaven and new earth" would signify the birth of the bride and how that all who are not in the bride are outside its "gates"

Therefore, this would not suggest the creation of a new physicality in the future, but a present reality which is continuing on to perfection.

Ezekiel 3:27
But when I speak to you, I will open your mouth and you shall say to them, 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says.' Whoever will listen let him listen, and whoever will refuse let him refuse; for they (Israel) are a rebellious house.

http://www.tentmaker.org/books/heavenandearth.htm

The phrase "let him be filthy still" does not indicate an infinite condition, but rather a present condition which is continuing for each person who is not in the Bride, or New Jerusalem which IS that new heaven and new earth. This does not bear any indication that death shall not be destroyed, because the Bible is clear that in the end, the last enemy to be destroyed is death.

Tony N

#7
August 25, 2009, 03:52:28 AM
Quote from: lee100 on August 24, 2009, 10:22:40 PM
everyone,

Rev 22:11 "The one acting unjustly let him act unjustly still, and the filthy (person) let him be made filthy still, and the righteous (person) let him practice righteousness still, and the holy( person) let him be holy still."

This is happening in the New Earth and the New Heavens. This is why the heart does not change simply because you die. The unjustly..the filthy.will continue to be unjustly and filthy in hell. They will continue to sin and blaspheme God's name in hell. They don't want Jesus when they were alive and they won't want Jesus after they die.These unbelievers are acting unjust and filthy in the New Heavens and New Earth age or time or eternal whatever you want to call it. Its over.. All the believers.. the righteous and holy people are eternally with the Godhead and the unbelievers are acting unjust and filthy and are with the devil and his cohorts in hell .

dear lee100,
The "let him be filthy still etc. etc. is written to the Jews to whom Revelation was written to and, they were to remain either good or bad prior to the Lord's return, not while the new earth was in force.
Just because God says He will save all mankind
does not necessarily mean He won't.

sparrow

#8
August 25, 2009, 04:01:07 AM
Quote from: Cardinal on August 24, 2009, 10:39:31 PM
:cloud9: Lee, do you even understand what happens when we die? The spirit returns to the One who sent it, the soul, separated from the spirit, stays bound in whatever it did not overcome thru the Spirit of Christ, while in life in the body.
The re-union of the two in HIS Spirit, IS the resurrection. The Spirit of Christ IS the rest, IS the sabbath day, IS the resurrection.

Which is why He said.........Lu 14:5 - And answered them, saying, Which of you shall have an ass or an ox FALLEN INTO A PIT, and will not straightway pull him out on the sabbath day?

Well, answer the question Lee? Which of you, ie. Pharisaical legalists who stumble over the very first "stone/rock", which is that revelation of the Spirit is needed to perceive the things of the Christ, the Son of the living God, would not loose your carnal ass nature (soul), on THIS, the Sabbath day? Blessings....

Hi Card, What do you believe about this state? (this soul being bound state). Is the person AWARE that their soul is bound? Or are you saying their soul is unaware...
are you talking a purgatory type state? or??
Just wondering what you're saying...
Thanks!

Doug

#9
August 25, 2009, 04:16:13 AM
Quote from: Tony N

The "let him be filthy still etc. etc. is written to the Jews to whom Revelation was written to ...


Why do you think Revelation was written to Jews? In Christ, there is neither Jew nor Greek, Paul says. [Gal. 3:28, Col. 3:11]

Doug

Cardinal

#10
August 25, 2009, 05:00:58 AM
Quote from: sparrow on August 25, 2009, 04:01:07 AM
Quote from: Cardinal on August 24, 2009, 10:39:31 PM
:cloud9: Lee, do you even understand what happens when we die? The spirit returns to the One who sent it, the soul, separated from the spirit, stays bound in whatever it did not overcome thru the Spirit of Christ, while in life in the body.
The re-union of the two in HIS Spirit, IS the resurrection. The Spirit of Christ IS the rest, IS the sabbath day, IS the resurrection.

Which is why He said.........Lu 14:5 - And answered them, saying, Which of you shall have an ass or an ox FALLEN INTO A PIT, and will not straightway pull him out on the sabbath day?

Well, answer the question Lee? Which of you, ie. Pharisaical legalists who stumble over the very first "stone/rock", which is that revelation of the Spirit is needed to perceive the things of the Christ, the Son of the living God, would not loose your carnal ass nature (soul), on THIS, the Sabbath day? Blessings....

Hi Card, What do you believe about this state? (this soul being bound state). Is the person AWARE that their soul is bound? Or are you saying their soul is unaware...
are you talking a purgatory type state? or??
Just wondering what you're saying...
Thanks!

:cloud9: Yes they are aware they are bound, and yes I'm speaking of a purgatory type state. He reproves us with our own wickedness, the wickedness that He details as proceeding out of the HEARTS of men. Blessings....
"I would rather train twenty men to pray, than a thousand to preach; A minister's highest mission ought to be to teach his people to pray." -H. MacGregor

lee100

#11
August 25, 2009, 05:04:15 AM
cardinal,

was you raised Catholic? Purgatory state? Sorry, not biblical.

Cardinal

#12
August 25, 2009, 05:07:16 AM
 :cloud9: No, I wasn't, and neither did I believe in it prior to the Lord. And there are things in there we know not of, until we are ready to bear it. Blessings....
"I would rather train twenty men to pray, than a thousand to preach; A minister's highest mission ought to be to teach his people to pray." -H. MacGregor

sparrow

#13
August 25, 2009, 05:25:16 AM
Quote from: Cardinal on August 25, 2009, 05:00:58 AM
Quote from: sparrow on August 25, 2009, 04:01:07 AM
Quote from: Cardinal on August 24, 2009, 10:39:31 PM
:cloud9: Lee, do you even understand what happens when we die? The spirit returns to the One who sent it, the soul, separated from the spirit, stays bound in whatever it did not overcome thru the Spirit of Christ, while in life in the body.
The re-union of the two in HIS Spirit, IS the resurrection. The Spirit of Christ IS the rest, IS the sabbath day, IS the resurrection.

Which is why He said.........Lu 14:5 - And answered them, saying, Which of you shall have an ass or an ox FALLEN INTO A PIT, and will not straightway pull him out on the sabbath day?

Well, answer the question Lee? Which of you, ie. Pharisaical legalists who stumble over the very first "stone/rock", which is that revelation of the Spirit is needed to perceive the things of the Christ, the Son of the living God, would not loose your carnal ass nature (soul), on THIS, the Sabbath day? Blessings....

Hi Card, What do you believe about this state? (this soul being bound state). Is the person AWARE that their soul is bound? Or are you saying their soul is unaware...
are you talking a purgatory type state? or??
Just wondering what you're saying...
Thanks!

:cloud9: Yes they are aware they are bound, and yes I'm speaking of a purgatory type state. He reproves us with our own wickedness, the wickedness that He details as proceeding out of the HEARTS of men. Blessings....



Do you believe ALL people have their soul bound when they die?
And is the length of this state within the parameters of time?
And if so, what is the length of this state of a person's soul being bound, based on (or dependant upon?) 

(Sorry, I ask a lot of questions when trying to understand someone's beliefs only because I like to know fully that I understand what they are saying and what they are believing.)  :happy3:

Paul Hazelwood

#14
August 25, 2009, 05:26:41 AM
Quote from: sparrow on August 25, 2009, 05:25:16 AM
Quote from: Cardinal on August 25, 2009, 05:00:58 AM
Quote from: sparrow on August 25, 2009, 04:01:07 AM
Quote from: Cardinal on August 24, 2009, 10:39:31 PM
:cloud9: Lee, do you even understand what happens when we die? The spirit returns to the One who sent it, the soul, separated from the spirit, stays bound in whatever it did not overcome thru the Spirit of Christ, while in life in the body.
The re-union of the two in HIS Spirit, IS the resurrection. The Spirit of Christ IS the rest, IS the sabbath day, IS the resurrection.

Which is why He said.........Lu 14:5 - And answered them, saying, Which of you shall have an ass or an ox FALLEN INTO A PIT, and will not straightway pull him out on the sabbath day?

Well, answer the question Lee? Which of you, ie. Pharisaical legalists who stumble over the very first "stone/rock", which is that revelation of the Spirit is needed to perceive the things of the Christ, the Son of the living God, would not loose your carnal ass nature (soul), on THIS, the Sabbath day? Blessings....

Hi Card, What do you believe about this state? (this soul being bound state). Is the person AWARE that their soul is bound? Or are you saying their soul is unaware...
are you talking a purgatory type state? or??
Just wondering what you're saying...
Thanks!

:cloud9: Yes they are aware they are bound, and yes I'm speaking of a purgatory type state. He reproves us with our own wickedness, the wickedness that He details as proceeding out of the HEARTS of men. Blessings....



Do you believe ALL people have their soul bound when they die?
And is the length of this state within the parameters of time?
And if so, what is the length of this state of a person's soul being bound, based on (or dependant upon?) 

(Sorry, I ask a lot of questions when trying to understand someone's beliefs only because I like to know fully that I understand what they are saying and what they are believing.)  :happy3:



Yeah, but sparrow it is alot more fun to assume what they believe and argue against it.   :laughing7:

sparrow

#15
August 25, 2009, 05:28:17 AM
Quote from: Paul Hazelwood on August 25, 2009, 05:26:41 AM

Yeah, but sparrow it is alot more fun to assume what they believe and argue against it.   :laughing7:

I know. I'm such a kill-joy..  :laughing7: :laughing7:

Cardinal

#16
August 25, 2009, 05:39:51 AM Last Edit: August 25, 2009, 05:43:32 AM by Cardinal
Quote from: sparrow on August 25, 2009, 05:25:16 AM
Do you believe ALL people have their soul bound when they die?
And is the length of this state within the parameters of time?
And if so, what is the length of this state of a person's soul being bound, based on (or dependant upon?) 

(Sorry, I ask a lot of questions when trying to understand someone's beliefs only because I like to know fully that I understand what they are saying and what they are believing.)  :happy3:

:cloud9: That first question may be something only the Lord knows; I haven't pursued Him about it, so I can't say. It appears to me that Elijah and Enoch would be the premiere examples of those that didn't, and as a type of resurrection while still in the body, that Paul was talking about.

There's also the ones that arose when He arose and were seen by many. If their souls went to "heaven", did they come back "down" so they could be resurrected?  :laughing7:

Seems to me, those two examples show the two 'types' of peoples and the two types of resurrection Paul talked about, and BOTH were made WHOLE (spirit and soul in union), which is the foundation really of UR.

Everyone assumes that resurrection is only talking about this physical body, but what of the soul? The soul is as the female, the spirit as the male, it takes both in union to produce NEW LIFE = resurrection.

As for the length of time, in ours or theirs? I'm not sure that time exists even that lower heaven sort of version. The Jews prayed for a year for loved ones that had passed. Blessings....
"I would rather train twenty men to pray, than a thousand to preach; A minister's highest mission ought to be to teach his people to pray." -H. MacGregor

Cardinal

#17
August 25, 2009, 05:40:46 AM
Quote from: Paul Hazelwood on August 25, 2009, 05:26:41 AM
Yeah, but sparrow it is alot more fun to assume what they believe and argue against it.   :laughing7:

:cloud9:  :grin: Blessings....
"I would rather train twenty men to pray, than a thousand to preach; A minister's highest mission ought to be to teach his people to pray." -H. MacGregor

sparrow

#18
August 25, 2009, 06:01:23 AM
Ok, thanks Cardinal... I appreciate your answers!

Beloved Servant

#19
August 25, 2009, 06:15:32 AM
Sparrow,
With all due respect, there is much information on the Tentmaker Web site that you can read that answers many, if not all, of the questions that you ask on the board.
Lightofthecity.org
Kingdombiblestudies.org
are just another two of many Kingdom sites available to you.

sparrow

#20
August 25, 2009, 06:19:54 AM
Quote from: Beloved Servant on August 25, 2009, 06:15:32 AM
Sparrow,
With all due respect, there is much information on the Tentmaker Web site that you can read that answers many, if not all, of the questions that you ask on the board.
Lightofthecity.org
Kingdombiblestudies.org
are just another two of many Kingdom sites available to you.


:dontknow:

Beloved, With all due respect.. :winkgrin: Those sites don't answer SPECIFIC questions that I am asking of a SPECIFIC poster. How am I to know what a person believes if I do not ask them myself? This isn't math. This is spirituality. I'm not asking because I don't have my OWN beliefs on a subject. I am asking because I like to know what others believe.

peace.  :icon_flower:

Beloved Servant

#21
August 25, 2009, 06:24:13 AM
There is only one truth and it is not hidden.
The mystery is alive and dwells among us.
The "others" are brethren or they are not.

sparrow

#22
August 25, 2009, 06:26:56 AM
Quote from: Beloved Servant on August 25, 2009, 06:24:13 AM
There is only one truth and it is not hidden.
The mystery is alive and dwells among us.
The "others" are brethren or they are not.


Beloved....

What exactly does this have to do with one member asking another member to clarify their beliefs?

Beloved Servant

#23
August 25, 2009, 06:33:28 AM
We are of one mind: Jesus Christ.
There is no clarification to be had.

John 17 Amplified
  23 I in them and You in Me, in order that they may become one and perfectly united, that the world may know and [definitely] recognize that You sent Me and that You have loved them [even] as You have loved Me.

sparrow

#24
August 25, 2009, 06:37:09 AM
Quote from: Beloved Servant on August 25, 2009, 06:33:28 AM
We are of one mind: Jesus Christ.
There is no clarification to be had.

John 17 Amplified
  23 I in them and You in Me, in order that they may become one and perfectly united, that the world may know and [definitely] recognize that You sent Me and that You have loved them [even] as You have loved Me.


Ok, Beloved. I will not ask you, personally to clarify YOUR beliefs since you seem to have issue with it. But I will continue to ask others to clarify THEIR beliefs.  Afterall, I'm not a mind reader and I don't put it into practice often to ASSUME that I know what is in another person's heart and mind. We do not ALL share the exact same precise beliefs. Clarification when conversing is absolutely necessary.

peace.

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