Brace Yourselves

[Zeek]

It is a matter of seeing God as he "is" and understanding his ways and thoughts are not ours and not as how we want to make God be.

But we have "the mind of Christ"

[willieH]

willieH: Hi SPOKENFOR!  :hithere:

I know many on here do not believe that anything is going to happen in the near future in America. But, I am feeling lead to sound and alarm to those who are reading and may not believe.

I believe this country is going to go through a serious shaking of God really soon.

We are going to be in serious civil unrest in this country.

Major cities are going to be destroyed and burning and much more...much more..

I pray that many of you ask the Lord to show you the serious of the hour and to the discern the times in which we are living.

God has been showing me a lot of things lately and giving many many confirmations.

I am not able to sleep on a regular sleeping pattern anymore, it has been a while as God is dealing with almost non-stop to speak out to people.

Many are going to be caught off guard because they do not believe anything like this could happen here in America. But, I believe we are sooo close to the coming of the Lord I can't put into words.

The Lord is saying we do not have YEARS anymore to play church and play around. We do not have YEARS anymore before he removes the hedge from around this country.

I pray that you all begin to discern the times, because unfortunately the majority of the church is asleep right now, when they should be awake.

Yes, Judgment is on the way to this country and it is at the door.

I percieve your motive as sincere SPOKENFOR... but this is a "FEAR" trip as I see it... there is no REST in this dear sister...

I believe it is our job as the followers of CHRIST, to preach of His PEACE which shall calm ANY storm. :nod:

What shall be within GOD's ORDAINED movements upon the Earth, shall BE... and it is up to us to TRUST Him concerning our part, and/or involvement within the consumation of TIME... finding PEACE amidst the storms.

Be about your Father's business sis... which is to witness of His Son and of the Salvation of ALL... spreading COMFORT amongst the chaos of the "storms" which temporarily present themselves... to us.

:Peace:

...willieH  :HeartThrob:

[SPOKENFOR]

willieH: Hi SPOKENFOR!  :hithere:

I know many on here do not believe that anything is going to happen in the near future in America. But, I am feeling lead to sound and alarm to those who are reading and may not believe.

I believe this country is going to go through a serious shaking of God really soon.

We are going to be in serious civil unrest in this country.

Major cities are going to be destroyed and burning and much more...much more..

I pray that many of you ask the Lord to show you the serious of the hour and to the discern the times in which we are living.

God has been showing me a lot of things lately and giving many many confirmations.

I am not able to sleep on a regular sleeping pattern anymore, it has been a while as God is dealing with almost non-stop to speak out to people.

Many are going to be caught off guard because they do not believe anything like this could happen here in America. But, I believe we are sooo close to the coming of the Lord I can't put into words.

The Lord is saying we do not have YEARS anymore to play church and play around. We do not have YEARS anymore before he removes the hedge from around this country.

I pray that you all begin to discern the times, because unfortunately the majority of the church is asleep right now, when they should be awake.

Yes, Judgment is on the way to this country and it is at the door.

I percieve your motive as sincere SPOKENFOR... but this is a "FEAR" trip as I see it... there is no REST in this dear sister...

I believe it is our job as the followers of CHRIST, to preach of His PEACE which shall calm ANY storm. :nod:

What shall be within GOD's ORDAINED movements upon the Earth, shall BE... and it is up to us to TRUST Him concerning our part, and/or involvement within the consumation of TIME... finding PEACE amidst the storms.

Be about your Father's business sis... which is to witness of His Son and of the Salvation of ALL... spreading COMFORT amongst the chaos of the "storms" which temporarily present themselves... to us.

:Peace:

...willieH  :HeartThrob:

I am sorry but if you have any fear then you are not walking in Perfect Love. There is no fear when you are walking in the Love of God.

If it scares some, then maybe God has a purpose in that too. Shouldn't the Lake of Fire scare people too. Who wants to go to the Lake?

We can talk about that all day long about the Lake of Fire and supposedly that has 'no fear' attached to it, but judgment that will cause you to lose your love of the world and cling closer to God does?

Sorry, I am not buying it.

I have been through that phase and I have another insight to it all.

I preach Repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, and there is where the Peace is.  The Hope is in Christ, the ARK of Safety.

I will not preach Peace in a sense that there is no trouble, I will preach getting the Peace of Christ that surpasses all understanding.

I will not preach God does not allow pain and sorrow and even destruction.

Jesus said it, The Bible is full of what this earth will come to one day, and that is what he telling me to preach.

I Preach Jesus Christ the Hope of Glory is the answer, your hope and peace,  And he wants you to know him now and be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind.

Not every Christian has the mind of Christ. Having the mind of Christ comes over time and with maturing. It is not some automatic act that happens. It is through these life and fiery trials we are burnt up and set on fire that God is able to burn all that is not like him off until we become what he has desired of us.

That is what I preach.

[SPOKENFOR]

It is a matter of seeing God as he "is" and understanding his ways and thoughts are not ours and not as how we want to make God be.

But we have "the mind of Christ"

Not, not all do dear. Not all do.

[Zeek]

It is a matter of seeing God as he "is" and understanding his ways and thoughts are not ours and not as how we want to make God be.

But we have "the mind of Christ"

Not, not all do dear. Not all do.

agreed.  IMO, the god of the old testament, is not ABBA. 

[SPOKENFOR]

It is a matter of seeing God as he "is" and understanding his ways and thoughts are not ours and not as how we want to make God be.

But we have "the mind of Christ"

Not, not all do dear. Not all do.

agreed.  IMO, the god of the old testament, is not ABBA. 

Ok, you a right to your opinion of what you believe about God. You really do. You have right to be where you are right now spiritually, but just know that God is ALWAYS calling us higher.

Never think that you are at a place where there is nothing more you can learn or know or even grow in God.

[Molly]

Who is this?  The OT God?  Or the NT God?



11And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

12His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

16And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

--Rev 19

[SPOKENFOR]

So, to sum it up for now.

We need to get back to the teachings and understanding the parables of Christ. That is one thing that is lacking especially here in the Western world where we associate 'comfort' and 'peace' in this world with our Christianity.

We are so far from God and in the world and carnal that we can't see how carnal we are.

I don't know why Christians especially here think that God is concerned with how much comfort they have, when the followers of Christ long before us suffered much more than we did, when there are people in other parts of the world who live far much worse  than we do and suffer serious persecution and live in an uncomfortable way we have never known here.

We need to get back to what it means to be a follower of Christ.

We need to get back to why God created us and to understand the purpose he has for us will prevail.

We need to get back to understanding the teaching of the Apostles.

We need a wake up call and a severe one that will provoke us to lose a love of having too much that in many cases cause one to lose the love of their first love..It can also cause one to never grow up into the things of God and where God would have us to be in him spiritually in him.

God has shown me how that when people have less and are far less comfortable they become much more passionate and serious about him, for they have only HIM to truly get to know and then that is where he can totally become important.

He has allowed me to go through a bit of this myself personally, so I speak from the lessons he has taught me in my own life and how he as paralled them with Christ teachings and what many other who are far less comfortable with 'stuff' experience.

He had to break me down to nothing. I have been living out of 1 duffel bag for the past three years. I travel as God leads me, he provides the money and everything I need. I have not had a job in 3 years, he pulled me out of what I call the 'system' to show me some powerful things through all these experiences. I move from place to place depending on him to provide me with the very food I eat. I have been wearing some of the same clothes for the past three years over and over and over and for some reason they don't seem to be getting old..

I use to work, had my own apt and everything. This is where God began to do a deeper work in me, and he also began to to take me to another level of faith and knowing him. I did not realize when I told him years ago to use me as he saw fit and to get so much Glory out of my life and to use me to save and set free millions of people. I did not know the process he would take me through. I did not know it first came with a breaking and tearing and removing from me ALL I loved as far as 'comforts'. Who does not like their own 'space' and living quarters. There own job and finances that you know are coming in.

He has taken me through some things he showed me would kill the average Christian in this country. He has used many experiences to show me how to learn to walk by faith and depend on him for my every need without the assistance of knowing where ANY of it is coming from.

He has taken me through these experiences to show me what he is after in the end. He has taken me through these experiences to strip ME OF ME, SELF..To deny and kill this flesh and all of its soulish cravings and loves of this world.

He showed me through these experiences what it was like for Jesus. He had no home of his own, he was a wandered on earth and traveled ministrering to people and doing only what the Father told him. He was rejected and scorn and looked down upon. Just as I have been. People say, "You don't have to live like this".But, that is because they do not understand the ways of God and plans he has for MY LIFE. He is not going to mature everybody at the same time. Some of us he has to send before them so that we can reach back and then be used of God to help others.

There is much more I could say, for I have truly been experiencing for awesome things of God and ways of God, but the price I have had to pay did seem extreme to me at first...But, then he had to show me some serious powerful life changing things.

He told me I am experiencing what many will experience in the days ahead when they are not longer with the comforts they once had. When things will be less, much less...and because of my own experiences I will be able to go through these things with much more ease than some may. Because of my own experiences I will be able to help those who will need to 'understand' what is happening and the ways of God and what is  trying to accomplish..

One thing I am sure of, is my call of God..and I can not and will not shut up when he tells me to speak of.

He is calling for maturity in Christ.

Christ was not spared.

The saints of Old were not spared.

Saints today are not spared.

What make you think you will be spared of hard times where you will learn a dependence on God you have not known.

What makes you think that God has not predestined that you enter into the Kingdom of God through much tribulation.

What makes one think because he is in the end going to ultimately save all of us, there is not a Baptism of Fire we must endure right here on earth as many other saints?

If you don't think so, you have been deceived and the great apostaty of the faith is coming when many will fall away from God because they will not want to endure. IT is because they did not build their house of the Solid Rock of Christ.

I know what I am preaching, I haved lived it and am living it.

When the day comes and you may be walking around in total disillusionment, I promise you you will want a word from God and may not be able to find one.

It is tight, but it is right Church. The time is now to ask God to allow you to discern the times. It is what it is, and God is not going to be mocked. He has a plan and either we are going to get with his plan, or our plan and be ignorant and deceived in the end.

[willieH]

willieH: Hi SPOKENFOR...  :cloud9:

Mark 3:24 -- And if a house be DIVIDED against itself, that house CANNOT STAND.

If the "GOSPEL" we present brings both GOOD and BAD news... it is in essence:  a house divided against itself...  :sigh:

I am sorry but if you have any fear then you are not walking in Perfect Love. There is no fear when you are walking in the Love of God.

If it scares some, then maybe God has a purpose in that too. Shouldn't the Lake of Fire scare people too. Who wants to go to the Lake?

No...  If the GOSPEL is PEACE -- Rom 10:15 - Eph 6:15 -- and GOD is PEACE -- Heb 13:20 - 1 Cor 14:33 --  and there is NO FEAR in LOVE -- 1 John 4:18 -- then what place has HORROR and FEAR in our preaching?

THIS is the "Lake of FIRE", sister SPOKENFOR!  You are IN it NOW!  It is ALL the sorrow and horror spoken of in the Revelation of JESUS CHRIST, which MUST BE, as He is REVEALED!  

The "REVELATION" says:  

Rev 1:7 -- behold he cometh with clouds and EVERY EYE shall see Him, and they also which pierced Him; and ALL KINDREDS of the Earth shall WAIL ...BECAUSE of HIM.

No one shall escape WAILING because of Him, for ALL participate in this Lake of FIRE, which burns by DISEASE and all forms of DEATH and DESTRUCTION...

As CHRIST is REVEALED, all shall find mourning because of Him... YOU and I are "they which "pierced" Him SPOKENFOR!  He died and was "pierced" by MY SIN and by YOURS... and we DRINK of the cup of suffering in this life, for it is THAT which brings COMPLETION [perfection]!  -- Heb 2:10

In that suffering we live patiently and await the COMPLETION of DELIVERANCE from ALL THINGS which cause that suffering...  We are to do this in PEACE...

Read the letters written by Paul, and John and Peter, they predominantly START and END with the wishes of GRACE and PEACE!  And THAT is how our "preaching" should begin, and end as well...

We can talk about that all day long about the Lake of Fire and supposedly that has 'no fear' attached to it, but judgment that will cause you to lose your love of the world and cling closer to God does?

"JUDGMENT" is not a BAD thing sister... it produces RIGHTEOUSNESS -- Isaiah 26:9

CHRIST said to "His followers" --

Matt 28:10 -- be NOT AFRAID: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there they shall see me...

THEN He said next:

Matt 28:18-20 -- ALL POWER is given unto Me in HEAVEN and IN EARTH... go ye THEREFORE [because ALL POWER was given unto Him] and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost, ...TEACHING THEM whatsoever I have COMMANDED you, and lo I am with you ALWAYS, even unto the END of the world.

Where do you see FEAR in this sister?  And where did He COMMAND to teach FEAR?

Sorry, I am not buying it.

I have been through that phase and I have another insight to it all.

I preach Repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, and there is where the Peace is.  The Hope is in Christ, the ARK of Safety.

I will not preach Peace in a sense that there is no trouble, I will preach getting the Peace of Christ that surpasses all understanding.

What "YOU preach" is your business... but if it is NOT PERMEATED with PEACE, then it is not of the GOSPEL... it is your message...

The GOSPEL is EXCLUSIVELY GOOD NEWS... look up the words EUAGGELIZO and EUAGGELION, which are translated GOSPEL in the NT... their definitions do NOT carry ANY "FEAR nor HORROR"...

Preach what you will... it is not on my agenda to change you in any way... but it IS on my agenda to help others from being MISLED.  And to encourage PEACE and the GOSPEL to be extended to the world.

I will not preach God does not allow pain and sorrow and even destruction.

GOD does not "allow" pain, it is in our experience because it has a purpose, as does DESTRUCTION... that does not mean PAIN or DESTRUCTION should be our FOCUS...

We should be about focusing on the CURE, not the problem...  CHRIST was sent to HEAL... and focused upon HEALING, not upon the fact that PAIN was there, rather that it was part of His mission to bring PEACE [healing] to the turmoil presented by PAIN...

I am suffering from cancer sister... but I choose to focus upon the HEALING PEACE of CHRIST, instead of FEARING the disease.

Jesus said it, The Bible is full of what this earth will come to one day, and that is what he telling me to preach.

I Preach Jesus Christ the Hope of Glory is the answer, your hope and peace,  And he wants you to know him now and be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind.

Nothing wrong with this... but the message does not need "FEAR" to be inserted amongst it.  Rather, in His stead... you as His follower should be about what He was about, ...bringing the GOOD NEWS that GOD so LOVED the WORLD...  :bgdance:

MAN is completely infatuated with BAD NEWS... turn on ANY news program, at ANY time... and watch to see if they shall bring ANY GOOD NEWS...

90% of their reports are primarily concerned with and focus upon -- WAR, MURDER, ARSON, RAPE, THIEVERY, SORROW, WORLD STRIFE, UNREST, DESTRUCTION...  :blahgreen: :blah:  :blahgreen:

If our message is filled with the SAME types of things, how are we different?  :dontknow:

However, if we preach only GOOD NEWS... to those who are used to hearing only BAD NEWS... then we are indeed DIFFERENT!  :HeartThrob:

Not every Christian has the mind of Christ. Having the mind of Christ comes over time and with maturing. It is not some automatic act that happens. It is through these life and fiery trials we are burnt up and set on fire that God is able to burn all that is not like him off until we become what he has desired of us.

That is what I preach.

You are not presenting the PEACE of GOD by exclaiming "BRACE YOURSELVES",  ...nor by focusing on such NEGATIVITY, sister... you are echoing the sentiments of MEN which are focused on NEGATIVITY... and degenerating IN IT, daily...

Preaching CHRIST as Savior, and as a better way, and a FOCUS... does not include to WORRY about things, which you can do NOTHING about...

The world shall be devoured and PASS AWAY, but nothing you or I can do... can prevent that END, for it is WRITTEN it shall find its END -- Luke 21:33

I wish you --- :Peace: --- within yourself and within your message.

...willieH  :cloud9:

[SPOKENFOR]

 :boyheart:
Sorry Willie I love ya, But I am not going to respond to that post and all the verses etc..I just posted a very long post and I am not going to debate what Love is, Peace, and Christ is... 

BTW, I walk in a peace not even YOU can understand.  :thumbsup:

[willieH]

willieH: Hi SPOKENFOR... :hithere:

:boyheart:
Sorry Willie I love ya, But I am not going to respond to that post and all the verses etc..I just posted a very long post and I am not going to debate what Love is, Peace, and Christ is... 

don't expect you to... I do not write just to the person I correspond with... I write with everyone in mind...

:Peace:

...willieH  :HeartThrob:

[SPOKENFOR]

willieH: Hi SPOKENFOR... :hithere:

:boyheart:
Sorry Willie I love ya, But I am not going to respond to that post and all the verses etc..I just posted a very long post and I am not going to debate what Love is, Peace, and Christ is... 

don't expect you to... I do not write just to the person I correspond with... I write with everyone in mind...

:Peace:

...willieH  :HeartThrob:

Oh ok...I understand that.

AND I have read your post and I totally understand what you are saying..I see your side and trust me..I have suffered from incurable diseases and much more all at the same time while having to live out of a bag the past three years.

What you can not see is the 'other' side of this.

Like I said, it was not meant to scare anybody, but I will not apologize for anything I said or how I said it whether it is misunderstood or not.

I say what I feel lead and God uses it for his purposes.

There is a time for everything. Right now, God is not telling me to preach that he is going to heal everybody. Brother, I have endured just as much as you and I have come to see another side of God. I know his love and I know his disciplines and trainings..and they all are out of his LOVE. I know his hand on my life and how I should be dead of HIV/AIDS right now. I know how he has cured me of incurable diseases and such. You are talking to someone who has been to hell and back too and I still stand here proclaiming that the Lord is good.

Sorry, everything is not 'mushy' sounding, that is not always reality and what he has 'me' saying at this moment and time.

[sparrow]

willieH: Hi SPOKENFOR...  :cloud9:

Mark 3:24 -- And if a house be DIVIDED against itself, that house CANNOT STAND.

If the "GOSPEL" we present brings both GOOD and BAD news... it is in essence:  a house divided against itself...  :sigh:

I am sorry but if you have any fear then you are not walking in Perfect Love. There is no fear when you are walking in the Love of God.

If it scares some, then maybe God has a purpose in that too. Shouldn't the Lake of Fire scare people too. Who wants to go to the Lake?

No...  If the GOSPEL is PEACE -- Rom 10:15 - Eph 6:15 -- and GOD is PEACE -- Heb 13:20 - 1 Cor 14:33 --  and there is NO FEAR in LOVE -- 1 John 4:18 -- then what place has HORROR and FEAR in our preaching?

THIS is the "Lake of FIRE", sister SPOKENFOR!  You are IN it NOW!  It is ALL the sorrow and horror spoken of in the Revelation of JESUS CHRIST, which MUST BE, as He is REVEALED!  

The "REVELATION" says:  

Rev 1:7 -- behold he cometh with clouds and EVERY EYE shall see Him, and they also which pierced Him; and ALL KINDREDS of the Earth shall WAIL ...BECAUSE of HIM.

No one shall escape WAILING because of Him, for ALL participate in this Lake of FIRE, which burns by DISEASE and all forms of DEATH and DESTRUCTION...

As CHRIST is REVEALED, all shall find mourning because of Him... YOU and I are "they which "pierced" Him SPOKENFOR!  He died and was "pierced" by MY SIN and by YOURS... and we DRINK of the cup of suffering in this life, for it is THAT which brings COMPLETION [perfection]!  -- Heb 2:10

In that suffering we live patiently and await the COMPLETION of DELIVERANCE from ALL THINGS which cause that suffering...  We are to do this in PEACE...

Read the letters written by Paul, and John and Peter, they predominantly START and END with the wishes of GRACE and PEACE!  And THAT is how our "preaching" should begin, and end as well...

We can talk about that all day long about the Lake of Fire and supposedly that has 'no fear' attached to it, but judgment that will cause you to lose your love of the world and cling closer to God does?

"JUDGMENT" is not a BAD thing sister... it produces RIGHTEOUSNESS -- Isaiah 26:9

CHRIST said to "His followers" --

Matt 28:10 -- be NOT AFRAID: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there they shall see me...

THEN He said next:

Matt 28:18-20 -- ALL POWER is given unto Me in HEAVEN and IN EARTH... go ye THEREFORE [because ALL POWER was given unto Him] and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost, ...TEACHING THEM whatsoever I have COMMANDED you, and lo I am with you ALWAYS, even unto the END of the world.

Where do you see FEAR in this sister?  And where did He COMMAND to teach FEAR?

Sorry, I am not buying it.

I have been through that phase and I have another insight to it all.

I preach Repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, and there is where the Peace is.  The Hope is in Christ, the ARK of Safety.

I will not preach Peace in a sense that there is no trouble, I will preach getting the Peace of Christ that surpasses all understanding.

What "YOU preach" is your business... but if it is NOT PERMEATED with PEACE, then it is not of the GOSPEL... it is your message...

The GOSPEL is EXCLUSIVELY GOOD NEWS... look up the words EUAGGELIZO and EUAGGELION, which are translated GOSPEL in the NT... their definitions do NOT carry ANY "FEAR nor HORROR"...

Preach what you will... it is not on my agenda to change you in any way... but it IS on my agenda to help others from being MISLED.  And to encourage PEACE and the GOSPEL to be extended to the world.

I will not preach God does not allow pain and sorrow and even destruction.

GOD does not "allow" pain, it is in our experience because it has a purpose, as does DESTRUCTION... that does not mean PAIN or DESTRUCTION should be our FOCUS...

We should be about focusing on the CURE, not the problem...  CHRIST was sent to HEAL... and focused upon HEALING, not upon the fact that PAIN was there, rather that it was part of His mission to bring PEACE [healing] to the turmoil presented by PAIN...

I am suffering from cancer sister... but I choose to focus upon the HEALING PEACE of CHRIST, instead of FEARING the disease.

Jesus said it, The Bible is full of what this earth will come to one day, and that is what he telling me to preach.

I Preach Jesus Christ the Hope of Glory is the answer, your hope and peace,  And he wants you to know him now and be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind.

Nothing wrong with this... but the message does not need "FEAR" to be inserted amongst it.  Rather, in His stead... you as His follower should be about what He was about, ...bringing the GOOD NEWS that GOD so LOVED the WORLD...  :bgdance:

MAN is completely infatuated with BAD NEWS... turn on ANY news program, at ANY time... and watch to see if they shall bring ANY GOOD NEWS...

90% of their reports are primarily concerned with and focus upon -- WAR, MURDER, ARSON, RAPE, THIEVERY, SORROW, WORLD STRIFE, UNREST, DESTRUCTION...  :blahgreen: :blah:  :blahgreen:

If our message is filled with the SAME types of things, how are we different?  :dontknow:

However, if we preach only GOOD NEWS... to those who are used to hearing only BAD NEWS... then we are indeed DIFFERENT!  :HeartThrob:

Not every Christian has the mind of Christ. Having the mind of Christ comes over time and with maturing. It is not some automatic act that happens. It is through these life and fiery trials we are burnt up and set on fire that God is able to burn all that is not like him off until we become what he has desired of us.

That is what I preach.

You are not presenting the PEACE of GOD by exclaiming "BRACE YOURSELVES",  ...nor by focusing on such NEGATIVITY, sister... you are echoing the sentiments of MEN which are focused on NEGATIVITY... and degenerating IN IT, daily...

Preaching CHRIST as Savior, and as a better way, and a FOCUS... does not include to WORRY about things, which you can do NOTHING about...

The world shall be devoured and PASS AWAY, but nothing you or I can do... can prevent that END, for it is WRITTEN it shall find its END -- Luke 21:33

I wish you --- :Peace: --- within yourself and within your message.

...willieH  :cloud9:

Willie... You hit the nail on the head, brother.  :goodpost:

[sparrow]

Perfect love casts out ALL fear.

ALL fear.


This world is a contrast of love and non-love.

We walk through this "lake of fire".
God is LOVE.

The judgements in this world IS the lake of fire, in my eyes.

We have two paths... the path of love and the path of non-love.
Didn't Jesus show us the path of ULTIMATE love?


God is NOT an angry God throwing down lightning bolts at his unruly children.
If you think that He is, then the picture you are painting is a false picture.

In God there is nothing BUT Safety and LOVE and PEACE.

It is turning away from God, turning AWAY from God that we see destruction, judgement, etc.

When we look TO GOD, we see LOVE, safety and peace.

That is the whole point of why I am so adamant about this subject! Because some are getting it completely BACKWARDS I think. (I say "I think" because I'm not entirely sure I am understanding their point of view, maybe we see it the same... but the perspectives are a little off.)

Anyhow... What Willie was saying is absolutely true. Please read his post again. and let the words sink in.


The judgements are here for us to LEARN. How else could we learn what is love and what ISN'T love??

We suffer these corrections to LEARN. We do it individually and on a whole.

Some diseases, for instance... it isn't necessarily the person's FAULT that they got a disease but it is because of what MANKIND As a WHOLE has done to God's CREATION. It's mankinds GREED, ABUSE, etc, that has caused nature to fight back, nature to malfunction, etc. causing disease. So why do good people have bad things happen to them? Because we are ALL in this together. The rain falls on the "good" and the "bad". If rain only fell on the bad, then we wouldn't learn anything.

It's going THROUGH a difficult  time, (like having a disease) and instead of thinking to yourself..."Why God are you doing this to me???" you think, "Yes, God... we are living in the lake of fire, we are feeling the effects of non-love.... I CLING to you God, because you are LOVE, you are my SAFETY, you are my PEACE!! I know there is a better world in store... I know that we are all  taking part in this "lake of fire" where mankind is learning... I cling to YOU because YOU Are my safety, my love, my peace..."


All the BAD things of this world have ONE root.... NON-LOVE.

God is LOVE.

The bad things do NOT COME FROM GOD.

They trickle down from NON-LOVE, in NON-LOVE's various ways, shapes and forms.

It is GOD who is LOVE.
It is GOD who we can TRUST.
It is GOD who we can LEAN ON.
It is GOD who we can FIND SAFETY.
It is GOD who we can find PEACE and REST.

This lake of fire... and all of it's pain and suffering... it all COMES FROM MAN turning AWAY from GOD. It is NOT God, looking at us and throwing down lightning bolts because He is angry and "reaching his boiling point" or what have you. It is the EXACT OPPOSITE. And that is the whole point, as far as I'm concerned.

GOD IS LOVE.
There is no fear in perfect love.

The calamaties are BUILT into this WORLD.
We are experiencing this world so that we can finally understand the POWER OF LOVE. THE POWER OF GOD.

People will say "well the bad things ARE from God because He has created everything" Yes, I understand that. But that goes back to God creating evil. Like I said earlier, the way I see it, evil (non-love) is like darkness. When you turn off a light in a room, darkness rushes in to fill the void. NON-LOVE is what is what there is when you turn AWAY FROM love (God). So the "bad things" are "created" by default. It's what rushes in.....
That is what the judgements are.

We feel the judgements 24/7, every day of the year... in small ways, in individual ways, and in big ways, on a MASS SCALE AS A WHOLE. We are ALL brothers and sisters... it all trickles down. We will one day see the WHOLE picture, and how utterly DESTRUCTIVE non-love is. Just how it permeates and affects ALL. Just as we will see the LOVE of God and how THAT permeates and affects ALL. When we finally see this GRAND PICTURE...  EVERY knee will bow and God will be ALL in ALL.


peace.. I hope this made sense.
It's very, VERY hard to put it into words.

[SPOKENFOR]

This is what I feel like in spite of whatever in life, whatever it brings...... I feel like shouting!...I feel like singing and praising!  :bgdance:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwMzirVEyeg&feature=related

[Molly]

Preaching CHRIST as Savior, and as a better way, and a FOCUS... does not include to WORRY about things, which you can do NOTHING about...

Who says we can do nothing about it?  We choose not to do anything about.  Satan tells us all day long we cannot do anything about it.

Babies are being killed in our name, and you say we cannot do anything about it?

I call this Christian passivity.

[sparrow]

This is what I feel like in spite of whatever in life, whatever it brings...... I feel like shouting!...I feel like singing and praising!  :bgdance:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwMzirVEyeg&feature=related

Me too.

But see.. from my point of view..Willie's post reflects it.
What Willie is saying brings forth that feeling...
That clinging to God and His LOVE.
That "no matter what happens... I am SAFE in you, God..."


y'know? 

[SPOKENFOR]

This is what I feel like in spite of whatever in life, whatever it brings...... I feel like shouting!...I feel like singing and praising!  :bgdance:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwMzirVEyeg&feature=related

Me too.

But see.. from my point of view..Willie's post reflects it.
What Willie is saying brings forth that feeling...


y'know? 

That is from 'your' perspective and point of view right now. I understand what he is saying totally, and what is say is true....But, I speak from another side of life as well as that one. I have been there and am there and I am also 'here' at this place too.

Sister, that is what you have to hear right now to make you shout or praise God. I have decided to praise him in spite of.

BTW, Have you read my other post, the last long one? I believe I still have a reason to shout even I never read his.

So, you do you and I will do me...and I won't debate why either on of us will feel like praising the Lord right now... That is not even appropriate, I am not going there.

[fullarmor2]

      Well,  we know that very terrible things are going to happen on this planet as this age draws to an end. I think much of it will be caused by people,  other than the specific judgments of God in Revelation for example.   There are many people now,  of very corrupt minds,  destitute of truth,  and who are filled with hatred for everyone outside their religion.  And they particularly hate Israel and America.   I would not be a bit surprised,  if America,  sadly,   comes under attack from these evil people in the very near future,  and it may very well involve wmd attacks.      Will God protect America from these monsters?  I don't know.

[SPOKENFOR]

     Well,  we know that very terrible things are going to happen on this planet as this age draws to an end. I think much of it will be caused by people,  other than the specific judgments of God in Revelation for example.   There are many people now,  of very corrupt minds,  destitute of truth,  and who are filled with hatred for everyone outside their religion.  And they particularly hate Israel and America.   I would not be a bit surprised,  if America,  sadly,   comes under attack from these evil people in the very near future,  and it may very well involve wmd attacks.      Will God protect America from these monsters?  I don't know.

I'm with ya on that one.

[sparrow]

This is what I feel like in spite of whatever in life, whatever it brings...... I feel like shouting!...I feel like singing and praising!  :bgdance:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwMzirVEyeg&feature=related

Me too.

But see.. from my point of view..Willie's post reflects it.
What Willie is saying brings forth that feeling...


y'know? 

That is from 'your' perspective and point of view right now. I understand what he is saying totally, and what is say is true....But, I speak from another side of life as well as that one. I have been there and am there and I am also 'here' at this place too.

Sister, that is what you have to hear right now to make you shout or praise God. I have decided to praise him in spite of.

BTW, Have you read my other post, the last long one? I believe I still have a reason to shout even I never read his.

So, you do you and I will do me...and I won't debate why either on of us will feel like praising the Lord right now... That is not even appropriate, I am not going there.

I wasn't debating you.
I was merely giving my point of view.

:dontknow:

[sparrow]

Sister, that is what you have to hear right now to make you shout or praise God. I have decided to praise him in spite of.

What do I have to hear right now to make me shout or praise God?

And you praise him "in spite of".. in spite of what?

Perhaps this will shed some light on what you are saying and we can understand each other.

[SPOKENFOR]

This is what I feel like in spite of whatever in life, whatever it brings...... I feel like shouting!...I feel like singing and praising!  :bgdance:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwMzirVEyeg&feature=related

Me too.

But see.. from my point of view..Willie's post reflects it.
What Willie is saying brings forth that feeling...


y'know? 

That is from 'your' perspective and point of view right now. I understand what he is saying totally, and what is say is true....But, I speak from another side of life as well as that one. I have been there and am there and I am also 'here' at this place too.

Sister, that is what you have to hear right now to make you shout or praise God. I have decided to praise him in spite of.

BTW, Have you read my other post, the last long one? I believe I still have a reason to shout even I never read his.

So, you do you and I will do me...and I won't debate why either on of us will feel like praising the Lord right now... That is not even appropriate, I am not going there.

I wasn't debating you.
I was merely giving my point of view.

:dontknow:

No problem and I am giving you my point of view. You acted as if only what he had to say warrants for a certain feeling right now. Maybe for you, but I did not have to read anything he said to feel like it.

[SPOKENFOR]

Sister, that is what you have to hear right now to make you shout or praise God. I have decided to praise him in spite of.

What do I have to hear right now to make me shout or praise God?

And you praise him "in spite of".. in spite of what?

Perhaps this will shed some light on what you are saying and we can understand each other.

I don't know, you said it not me.

You are shouting for your own reasons, and I am for mine..

[Molly]

We all see something a little different, a little piece of our God.

I see health, wealth, and prosperity for the whole world and the duty of Christians to make that happen.

He is Life.  He is abundant Life, that is, Life beyond measure.

We could have this tomorrow, if people would just stop lying.

It's been in our grasp for over 100 years, in modern terms.

There are only a handful of men holding this back.

Pray that the Lord of the harvest send forth his angels into the harvest.


Luke 10:2
Therefore said he unto them, The harvest truly is great, but the labourers are few: pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he would send forth labourers into his harvest.


"labourers'
G2040
ἐργάτης
ergatēs
er-gat'-ace
From G2041; a toiler; figuratively a teacher: - labourer, worker (-men).