Babylon...Come out of her, my people...

[jabcat]

In Revelation it states;  Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen... And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached onto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities... Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire...

Some say Babylon is mainstream Christianity.  Some say it's a business/world system that's somehow against God.  Some say it's generally 'confusion'.

What do you think it is?
What then do you consider the plagues of it to be; the death, mourning, and famine;  burned with fire?  Some say that it's literal, some even say it has to do with 9/11.  Many say it's all spiritual and/or figurative...if that's your take, then what do you think it means, i.e., the system, the plagues, the destruction?  Future, past, not time bound, etc?  Somehow a revelation of what Jesus is doing in each individual?

When God called me out of mainstream religion, He clearly used a writing in the Forward of the Christian Bible (1991) regarding coming out of Babylon as an institutionalized religious system, to confirm His desire for me to break away from denominationalism.  However, for all I know, it could have various related meanings, or a general meaning of anything rooted in confusion that's against God's will.  I don't know.  What are your thoughts?

[WhiteWings]

Some say Babylon is mainstream Christianity.  Some say it's a business/world system that's somehow against God.  Some say it's generally 'confusion'.

I would say it's a reprensetation of sinful living.

Revelation 17:4   And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

Purple and scarlet point to religion leaders....? (Like the Rich Man)

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Babylon is the state of dwelling where the spirit of Jezebel reigns as queen in charge of increasing your flesh/kingdom of darkness, as opposed to New Jerusalem/heavenly mother who is to birth the Son/kingdom of light/Christ in you.

Therefore, you can leave Babylon (as the church realm who is ruled by her or whatever form), but still have Babylon ruling in you. Blessings....

[jabcat]

I like both of your thoughts on this  :thumbsup:.

[SPOKENFOR]

In Revelation it states;  Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen... And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached onto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities... Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire...

Some say Babylon is mainstream Christianity.  Some say it's a business/world system that's somehow against God.  Some say it's generally 'confusion'.

What do you think it is?
What then do you consider the plagues of it to be; the death, mourning, and famine;  burned with fire?  Some say that it's literal, some even say it has to do with 9/11.  Many say it's all spiritual and/or figurative...if that's your take, then what do you think it means, i.e., the system, the plagues, the destruction?  Future, past, not time bound, etc?  Somehow a revelation of what Jesus is doing in each individual?

When God called me out of mainstream religion, He clearly used a writing in the Forward of the Christian Bible (1991) regarding coming out of Babylon as an institutionalized religious system, to confirm His desire for me to break away from denominationalism.  However, for all I know, it could have various related meanings, or a general meaning of anything rooted in confusion that's against God's will.  I don't know.  What are your thoughts?

For me, When I first saw that and it really clicked to "Come out of her", I knew God was talking about the religious man made systems, for me anyway.

God called me out of it going on about four years now, though I did not realize that is what was happening. I just knew I began to absolutely sick of church as usual. I also knew deep down I was not called to 'church as usual' except to go only as God lead me, but I for some reason could never participate in church other than as a lay member. I never wanted to get involved really, I just knew I was not meant to be a part of it in that way. As a lay member, God began to make me TIRED of the entire system of even going to visit churches.

Right now today, I can't go to church unless the Lord leads me to go, that is the only way.

[jabcat]

Very good.  That's a blessing, thanks.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Me too, Spokenfor.......when He stopped ME, two Sundays in a row the car wouldn't start. As soon as it was too late to go, it started without a problem. Didn't get it until the second Sunday, that perhaps I needed to check in with Him, LOL....... :mshock:  Then followed a teaching about the false coverings being removed from off our heads. Never looked back. Blessings....

[fire walker]

Never was faced with that situation because I was not raised up in a traditional church setting and was never moved by a desire to join one though I had went with friends to their church a few times I was not moved to say the least!. What I do remember in my formitive years were informal gatherings
out on family farms maybe two times a year where people were discussing spiritual things and the gospel as it related to everyday life and to us as inividuals, then we had a big pot luck picnic and refreshments, this was not often but these were very spiritualy meaningful to me as a child.

Now when Looking at that and the differance I saw as a child between those gatherings on the farms and the atmosphere in the churches I had been invited to go to, there was a differance of night and day, the church seemed like pretend, not real, it seemed false, make believe, folks didn't seem to be themselves but put on a Sunday best appearance and it was not spiritualy fullfilling but instead rather dead in spirit.

Later in life I realized what I had seen in those early years at those churches was a false unity, people smiling outwardly but crying inside, there was no joyous spirit there, it was Babylon!

At the farm gatherings we shared a few times a year folks were real, they expressed concern for one another, they cared and would give the shirt off their back to help those in need, and they believed and trusted in prayer and not the formal repeated empty sayings that are used by so many churches as prayers, and the gathering was a joyous time inwardly and outwardly!

The Babylon within? Some folks have that burned out of them early in life because of hardships and the school of hard knocks, I know in my younger years I went through some seasons where a little boasting started creeping in and as time went on things happened that took the wind out of my boastful sails in short order and I am in a much more restful place in the body now than Babylon could ever give us for very long, if at all it is not lasting,


Peace,
Fire Walker

[firstborn888]

Maybe it means: Leave off trying to reach God (tower to 'heaven') through religion (a set of creeds). A humble heart God will not despise. All arrogant boastful religion is uncleanness. God has put confusion to stop the construction of the false tower (all denominations have their own lingo).

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Hi firstborn........where ya been?  :dontknow: Welcome back  :thumbsup: Blessings....

[SPOKENFOR]

:cloud9: Me too, Spokenfor.......when He stopped ME, two Sundays in a row the car wouldn't start. As soon as it was too late to go, it started without a problem. Didn't get it until the second Sunday, that perhaps I needed to check in with Him, LOL....... :mshock:  Then followed a teaching about the false coverings being removed from off our heads. Never looked back. Blessings....

lol! That is funny, :laughing7: God does have a sense of humor. He will stop it if it is not want he wants you to do. I have a few stories like that myself. The most recent one is this...

Just about a month ago a cousin of mine asked if I wanted to go to her church and I said,  "Yeah, pick me up in the morning". After she asked and left I said, "mmm, now I know I really don't want to go"..Then I said, "Ok, Lord, if you want me to go wake me up in the morning on time"...Well, I could not go to sleep ALL night until 9 am that morning, I was up all night literally..and church started at 10 am..Well, that was that..lol!....Didn't make it...She called and was like, "Are you going, if so start getting dressed"..I was like, "Girl, I am just getting sleepy and going to sleep, I've been up all night and just could not sleep.. I am not going"....

The truth is I usually know when I am suppose to go the Lord will already let me know ahead of time. I was just planning to go without his leading. I think I kinda just wanted to go that one time because that is the church I got saved in about ten years ago and I kind of wanted to visit..then again, I knew deep down I was not to go.

[SPOKENFOR]

:cloud9: Babylon is the state of dwelling where the spirit of Jezebel reigns as queen in charge of increasing your flesh/kingdom of darkness, as opposed to New Jerusalem/heavenly mother who is to birth the Son/kingdom of light/Christ in you.

Therefore, you can leave Babylon (as the church realm who is ruled by her or whatever form), but still have Babylon ruling in you. Blessings....

That is true Cardinal. I am glad that I was never indoctrinated and God did not have much to get out of me except the belief in ET. I never could get down with a lot of the teaching anyway. Plus, I was not raised in church all my life. I did end up in church for a period of 4 years as a child, but I even knew then something was wrong, they were extremely religious and I knew that was not right...I can't tell you how I knew it, but I knew it.....But, that is where the seeds of who Jesus was was planted in me at least......Praise the Lord for that!

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Hi Spokenfor........I did the same thing a couple of years later. I made it in there,though, but as soon as praise and worship started and I was focused on Him, He spoke to me so loud it was almost audible, "Make this the last time."  :mshock:  Don't have to hit ME with a brick, do He, LOL?  :mblush: :winkgrin:  Blessings....

[peacemaker]

Maybe it means: Leave off trying to reach God (tower to 'heaven') through religion (a set of creeds). A humble heart God will not despise. All arrogant boastful religion is uncleanness. God has put confusion to stop the construction of the false tower (all denominations have their own lingo).

Amen, firstborn!


Babylon (a mixture of flesh/spirit) is Syncretism, a supporter of tyranny with the fusion of idolatry, the silly delusions of a foolish woman or  "mystical Babylon,"  that great city which reigns over the kings of the earth. (Revelation 17:18).

Waxing Warm, not cold or hot, a place of captivity; sin and corruption.

The merging of two or more inflectional forms; heaven/hell, male/female, Spirit/flesh, good/evil, Truth/fallacy, etc., ... adding to, or taking away.

"That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." (John 3:6).

Walk in the spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusts against the spirit, and the spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary – one to another.

The flesh wants to commit fornication and adultery; but the Spirit desires to be pure.


peacemaker

(Just got back from drift-diving in Kauai, Hawaii, living in the realm of the Spirit by the Grace of God.)

"The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit." (John 3:8).

[SPOKENFOR]

Maybe it means: Leave off trying to reach God (tower to 'heaven') through religion (a set of creeds). A humble heart God will not despise. All arrogant boastful religion is uncleanness. God has put confusion to stop the construction of the false tower (all denominations have their own lingo).

Yep.

[SPOKENFOR]

:cloud9: Hi Spokenfor........I did the same thing a couple of years later. I made it in there,though, but as soon as praise and worship started and I was focused on Him, He spoke to me so loud it was almost audible, "Make this the last time."  :mshock:  Don't have to hit ME with a brick, do He, LOL?  :mblush: :winkgrin:  Blessings....

Hey Cardinal.. :icon_flower:
LOL!..I believe it... :laughing7: He will make it clear to you. And he will hit you with a brick if necessary... :laughing7:  I tell you the discipline of God can be painful. Whenever I do something he has told me not to, boy do I get it... :sigh: BUT, you know what, I learn...

It is like he lets you get away with certain stuff for a while, :director: but as you grow up and know better, he expects more out of you and you can't get away with what you use to.... :gwink:

[firstborn888]

:cloud9: Hi firstborn........where ya been?  :dontknow: Welcome back  :thumbsup: Blessings....

Working, transfigurating, non-conforming - you know, the regular stuff   :Sparkletooth:

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9:  :laughing7:

[martincisneros]

Working, transfigurating, non-conforming - you know, the regular stuff   :Sparkletooth:

The regular stuff indeed.  Same here!

[firstborn888]

Working, transfigurating, non-conforming - you know, the regular stuff   :Sparkletooth:

The regular stuff indeed.  Same here!

With us, I'll have to include 'veganating'   :grin:

[martincisneros]

With us, I'll have to include 'veganating'   :grin:

Oh yeah!  God's talking to me about that subject again.  Mainly about the raising of the dead of animals inherent in the Hosea 2:18; Jeremiah 31:27-28 covenant that got inaugurated on September 11, 2001 according to Isaiah 30, Mark 5, and other passages.  Mainly waiting on Him, about it, though.

[willieH]

willieH: Greetings, my dear brother James... :hithere:

In Revelation it states;  Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen... And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached onto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities... Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire...

Some say Babylon is mainstream Christianity.  Some say it's a business/world system that's somehow against God.  Some say it's generally 'confusion'.

What do you think it is?

"Whatever it (Babylon) is" ...the WORD of God several TIMES, calls it "Great"... so it must be something entirely HUGE... and likely "GREAT" in other aspects as well as SIZE...

Also, whatever it (Babylon) is"... "God's people" are IN IT... and are being called OUT of it...

Why would God be calling a "business and world SYSTEM" which is about the worship of MONEY and WAR, ...and that has been erected by MAN, ...as "GREAT"? 

I think the Christian RELIGION, which bears the HOLY name of CHRIST, and preaches Him as SAVIOR, can be the only true basis for this "adjective"... 

Yes Babylon is likely LARGE, and likely MASSIVE as the word "Great" -- MEGAS [#G3173] implies... but there is more to this than just the meaning of a word in any language... (IMO) It is BIGGER than that, for GOD in His WORD to call her "GREAT" so many times... it has to do with SPIRITUAL matters...

For whether we preach CHRIST in surrounding "TRUTH" or in surrounding "FALSEHOOD"... preaching Him as SAVIOR and SON of GOD... is a "GREAT" thing...  :dontknow:

What then do you consider the plagues of it to be; the death, mourning, and famine;  burned with fire?

These "plagues" are SYMBOLIC... not literal... Plagues SYMBOLIZE an UNHEALTHY state... and Christianity, by preaching HELL and ET... "Babylon" is definitely SPIRITUALLY unhealthy...

Don't know everything, but it appears apparent to me, that in Rev 18:4 -- it states that ALL nations have drunk the wine of her FORNICATION... and the KINGS of earth are waxed RICH through the abundance of her delicacies... 

(IMO) This speaks of the largest Religion in the World, which continues to grow... and indeed is become FILTHY RICH as her fallacies are spread like a spiritual cancer in the hearts of men worldwide...

The FIRE which is spoken of in the Revelation is GOD Himself... for He is a CONSUMING FIRE... That "fire" consumes UNHOLINESS, and UNGODLINESS... and ALL must traverse it for its purpose is to CONSUME that which is CONTRARY to LIFE and CONTRARY to our well being...

The Plagues of Babylon shall be her SHAME, ...taking before the throne of GOD on Judgment day, ...her unhealthy presentations of HELL and Torment and FEAR, her cursings of all others outside of her... and the FIRE she shall face, is her sorrow for NOT listening to the WORD... which has CALLED to her, and once she had found Salvation for herself, ...she willingly has turned unto that WORD, a deaf ear... and preaches death and/or torment for all those that hear HER not...

I go to another forum (Non -- "UR" believers)... and they either believe in HELL, ET or Annhilation... often persecuting me and the few others which believe in the Salvation of ALL...  :sigh:  But as did John the Baptist... I shall remain a voice crying in the wilderness, in hope one or two might hear and "come out of her"...  :Pray:

...willieH  :HeartThrob:

[sheila]

  wow, these posts really blessed me!

   thanks to all of you on this thread :HeartThrob:

     Good stuff!

                       Sheila

[peacemaker]

Eternal tormentors and Annihilationist within All Religions:

The tone (attitude) or pitch (us and them) stressed within the religious contexts of their teaching is another gospel, not one of hearing His Voice – which is music to the ears of the one who listens with an open heart, not a closed mind.

"And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that you be not partakers of her sins..." (Revelation 18:4)

Many things, atrociously, have been said and done in the name of God, search the Scriptures. And still are to this day, through self-serving, greedy people who want domination over others, but was never instituted by God himself. So much for the fleshly horse of destruction; the false prophets and goddesses of Religion.

"Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." (Genesis 6:5)

There is an abominable taste in their garments. And this is perhaps one of the reasons for the female principle; the bride of Christ who are prepared by His Spirit to teach, putting balance (intimacy) back in the relationship, and evicting the harlot as we mortify the flesh in spite of those in power that continue to ravage all of humanity through fear and annihilation.

May [it] all be washed clean in His Righteousness, for there is NO GREATER LOVE.

peacemaker

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Amen, PC......