1000-Year Period

[claypot]

You make Gods Word sound so simple Tony, especially when you can compartmentalize everything.

I too have read tons of AE Knochs stuff and it is good but I see a bit differently now, not saying I see better, just differently. I will always be apprceative of Mr. Knoch. You sound like you read his stuff alot, or have.

John is the one who talked of children, young men and fathers, wasn't he? I like to think he was saying we will understand God on different levels as we mature. Are these levels maybe like going from the more natural and physical to the spiritual, do you think?

cp

[Tony N]

You make Gods Word sound so simple Tony, especially when you can compartmentalize everything.

I too have read tons of AE Knochs stuff and it is good but I see a bit differently now, not saying I see better, just differently. I will always be apprceative of Mr. Knoch. You sound like you read his stuff alot, or have.

John is the one who talked of children, young men and fathers, wasn't he? I like to think he was saying we will understand God on different levels as we mature. Are these levels maybe like going from the more natural and physical to the spiritual, do you think?

cp

Hi cp,
It is not what Knoch says but what saith the Scripture?
Paul also wrote concerning children, mothers, fathers, wives and husbands. But that does not mean what he wrote to them was for the Circumcision. How could it be when he agreed with Peter, James and John he would be for the Uncircumcision and they for the Circumcision?

The 1000 year reign with Christ is on the earth. Christ said the 12 would reign with Him, not Paul or Timothy or Barnabas or Epaphroditus.

Our realm belongs in the heavens. How hard is that?

[Beloved Servant]

Now; Peter, James and John = Faith, Hope and Love

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Ooooh, I liked THAT, Beloved Servant........ :thumbsup: Blessings....

[Tony N]

Now; Peter, James and John = Faith, Hope and Love

Really? And where is the scripture for that?

[claypot]

You make Gods Word sound so simple Tony, especially when you can compartmentalize everything.

I too have read tons of AE Knochs stuff and it is good but I see a bit differently now, not saying I see better, just differently. I will always be apprceative of Mr. Knoch. You sound like you read his stuff alot, or have.

John is the one who talked of children, young men and fathers, wasn't he? I like to think he was saying we will understand God on different levels as we mature. Are these levels maybe like going from the more natural and physical to the spiritual, do you think?

cp

Hi cp,
It is not what Knoch says but what saith the Scripture?
Paul also wrote concerning children, mothers, fathers, wives and husbands. But that does not mean what he wrote to them was for the Circumcision. How could it be when he agreed with Peter, James and John he would be for the Uncircumcision and they for the Circumcision?

The 1000 year reign with Christ is on the earth. Christ said the 12 would reign with Him, not Paul or Timothy or Barnabas or Epaphroditus.

Our realm belongs in the heavens. How hard is that?

Well, to tell you the truth Tony, I hope when I'm in the 'heavenlies ' with Jesus that I can also participate here on my birth home, Earth to be more explicit. Not that the heavenlies won't totally capture all my attention but after putting up with all the crap in the world as it is now I will be a bit miffed if I can't participate in it when it's doing better!

So I guess I hope you are a bit wrong in your interpretaion of our Lord words concerning things spiritual and physical.

cp

[claypot]

Now; Peter, James and John = Faith, Hope and Love

Really? And where is the scripture for that?

In the heart where Gods throne is, maybe?

cp

[claypot]

You make Gods Word sound so simple Tony, especially when you can compartmentalize everything.

I too have read tons of AE Knochs stuff and it is good but I see a bit differently now, not saying I see better, just differently. I will always be apprceative of Mr. Knoch. You sound like you read his stuff alot, or have.

John is the one who talked of children, young men and fathers, wasn't he? I like to think he was saying we will understand God on different levels as we mature. Are these levels maybe like going from the more natural and physical to the spiritual, do you think?

cp

Hi cp,
It is not what Knoch says but what saith the Scripture?

Or what doth Tony or cp saith or thinkith the Scripture saith!

cp

[Nathan]

Now; Peter, James and John = Faith, Hope and Love

Really? And where is the scripture for that?

Dearest Tony, always looking for proof without your temple when Truth comes not from words on parchment, but from the spirit "within" us.  Truth is revealed through relationship.  The parchments lead us to it, but only the Spirit can usher us in it.

God requires faith, why are you then always demanding proof?  I've never seen Peter, James and John being faith, hope and love . . and to be perfectly honest, I don't think that's what's being portrayed here as much as the revealing of dimensional truths.  It's all in alignment with the tabernacle . . .outercourt, inner court and Holy of Holies . . .outer court being first dimension, dealing with literal and physical things . . .infancy in relationship with the Father dealing with salvation and baptisms.

Much of Peter's nature was very much in alignment with the elementary level of relationship with the Father.  It's all progressive, 1st dimension leads to second, second leads to third, it's a process of spiritual maturity. 

James was much more straight forward with ministry and doctrine.  Scripture seems to elaborate on Peter's struggles with his personality quirks, much like a new born Christian does.  But with James Much of what he wrote was dealing with one "doing" ministry.  His writings seem to take that infant relationship to the next level.  Maturing the readers, bringing them into a more active level in their relationship.

Whereas with John . . .it was revelational.  Even the smaller letters written by him were dealing with love . . .the last is always the greatest.  Faith births hope, hope manifests love . . .but the greatest of these is love.

The greatest of the three dimensions is to pursue the spirit.

Know the natural,
Apply the moral,
Pursue the spiritual.

Spiritual goes inward . . .God is not going to destroy man as the church would lead you to believe.  He's destroying "man" in men.  Huge difference.

[willieH]

willieH: Hi brother N...  :OhNo:

Now; Peter, James and John = Faith, Hope and Love

Really? And where is the scripture for that?

Dearest Tony, always looking for proof without your temple when Truth comes not from words on parchment, but from the spirit "within" us.  Truth is revealed through relationship.  The parchments lead us to it, but only the Spirit can usher us in it.

God requires faith, why are you then always demanding proof?  I've never seen Peter, James and John being faith, hope and love . . and to be perfectly honest, I don't think that's what's being portrayed here as much as the revealing of dimensional truths.  It's all in alignment with the tabernacle . . .outercourt, inner court and Holy of Holies . . .outer court being first dimension, dealing with literal and physical things . . .infancy in relationship with the Father dealing with salvation and baptisms.

Much of Peter's nature was very much in alignment with the elementary level of relationship with the Father.  It's all progressive, 1st dimension leads to second, second leads to third, it's a process of spiritual maturity. 

James was much more straight forward with ministry and doctrine.  Scripture seems to elaborate on Peter's struggles with his personality quirks, much like a new born Christian does.  But with James Much of what he wrote was dealing with one "doing" ministry.  His writings seem to take that infant relationship to the next level.  Maturing the readers, bringing them into a more active level in their relationship.

Whereas with John . . .it was revelational.  Even the smaller letters written by him were dealing with love . . .the last is always the greatest.  Faith births hope, hope manifests love . . .but the greatest of these is love.

The greatest of the three dimensions is to pursue the spirit.

Know the natural,
Apply the moral,
Pursue the spiritual.

Spiritual goes inward . . .God is not going to destroy man as the church would lead you to believe.  He's destroying "man" in men.  Huge difference.

RIGHT ON!  :goodpost:

Great words brother N... You are a wonderful teacher... this writing is so ON-POINT!  Bring us to the wonder of the COMPLEX via the pathway of the SIMPLE...

Bless you bro...

...willieH  :Egyptdance2:

[claypot]

Now; Peter, James and John = Faith, Hope and Love

Really? And where is the scripture for that?

Dearest Tony, always looking for proof without your temple when Truth comes not from words on parchment, but from the spirit "within" us.  Truth is revealed through relationship.  The parchments lead us to it, but only the Spirit can usher us in it.

God requires faith, why are you then always demanding proof?  I've never seen Peter, James and John being faith, hope and love . . and to be perfectly honest, I don't think that's what's being portrayed here as much as the revealing of dimensional truths.  It's all in alignment with the tabernacle . . .outercourt, inner court and Holy of Holies . . .outer court being first dimension, dealing with literal and physical things . . .infancy in relationship with the Father dealing with salvation and baptisms.

Much of Peter's nature was very much in alignment with the elementary level of relationship with the Father.  It's all progressive, 1st dimension leads to second, second leads to third, it's a process of spiritual maturity. 

James was much more straight forward with ministry and doctrine.  Scripture seems to elaborate on Peter's struggles with his personality quirks, much like a new born Christian does.  But with James Much of what he wrote was dealing with one "doing" ministry.  His writings seem to take that infant relationship to the next level.  Maturing the readers, bringing them into a more active level in their relationship.

Whereas with John . . .it was revelational.  Even the smaller letters written by him were dealing with love . . .the last is always the greatest.  Faith births hope, hope manifests love . . .but the greatest of these is love.

The greatest of the three dimensions is to pursue the spirit.

Know the natural,
Apply the moral,
Pursue the spiritual.

Spiritual goes inward . . .God is not going to destroy man as the church would lead you to believe.  He's destroying "man" in men.  Huge difference.

I agree with Willie, Nathan, but don't be disheartened Tony, you gots good stuff too when you let your guard down Brother!

I just want to spend some time on this here good ole earth in its glory days. I figure I put up with all its garbage, I should have a right to indulge in its perfected form too.

Nathan, how's that for looking at the physical?

cp

[Nathan]

 :dsunny: :dsunny:

[reFORMer]

When people try to support the idea that the 1,000 yrs isn't literal, and I believe I've understood their reasoning, I'm not very convinced.  Perhaps a large part of why is to what claypot refers.  I really would like to be here in a Millennium.  I'd like to get the things that need fixing on the house finally fixed and then enjoy living here.  I'd like to get the things done with the garden and pond that should be done.  I'd like not to be such a transient lifeform...to be able to smoke and it wouldn't damage your health.  How great to collect books, mostly about the Lord and His word, and enough of them, while able to study them without losing the knowledge through a mind filled with holes.  It would be so wonderful to spend time with friends sharing the knowledge of the Lord in ways and depths so rare today.  Just to share without religious walls!!!  It takes time to be able to properly play musical instruments.  However I've labored, at length and all alone, by not practising enough lately I see I'm losing much.  To be able to take the time for music and learning new instruments (like some computer programs I've neglected) and to enjoy worshipping with others at leisure sounds so good.

The best I understand ruling with Christ is something like we've learned to do with our inner man in obtaining victory over sin, only applied to those in the area to which we're assigned  To speak the truth and impart the Spirit with the authority and power to make it sure seems what that would be; that, and to be available to help those being born with entering into God.

[sparrow]

I just want to spend some time on this here good ole earth in its glory days. I figure I put up with all its garbage, I should have a right to indulge in its perfected form too.

Nathan, how's that for looking at the physical?

cp

I'm with you.

I look around at all the beauty and majesty and think... :sigh:
I sure hope that this isn't the only time I'll get...
So many things God created, animals, trees, underwater worlds, mountains that I just want to explore.

Is that so bad?  :dontknow:
I just long to be free to explore with this "fallen" aspect of the world having been REMOVED.
To be honest, it's the only thing that keeps me sane some days.
To just imagine being in the land of love and light, where all is well...
And to just love others the way I always dream of loving others.
To just see reunions of loved ones...
wrongs being made right.
enemies becoming friends.
ALL finally understanding how much God loves them.



I don't mean to sound selfish, but can't I hug a lion too, someday?

[Beloved Servant]

I understand your romance with the physical realm but remember that this is the LOWEST form of creation.
Just a type and shadow of our true and eternal spiritual existence.

[sparrow]

I'm not so sure about that...
Not arguing with you...
Just.. not so sure about that, beloved.
I see it being in a glorified state.
But not dissapearing.
I see it being made NEW.

[Beloved Servant]

Oh! yes! sister.
Our Brother Jesus did not rot in the grave!
His body is with Him now in a "glorified state."
And so shall we be!
Let it be.

[Molly]

I just heard that all four gospels just recount 18 days out of Jesus' three year ministry.

This could be a long 1000 years. :Sparkletooth:

[Gilbert]

Oh! yes! sister.
Our Brother Jesus did not rot in the grave!
His body is with Him now in a "glorified state."
And so shall we be!
Let it be.

Yes, it's true that the physical form of Jesus did not rot in the grave.
This is why the angels were present at the 'tomb' of Jesus; to guard the natural body of Jesus against the powers of death. The angels were not there to prevent radicals or Roman soldiers from stealing the body of Jesus. They were there to secure the natural body of Jesus from the powers of decay and decomposition until such time as Jesus could reclaim it ... put it on once again. In this way Jesus could again become visible in this visible earthy realm.
Jesus had two 'bodies' (so to speak) ... a natural body as well as a spiritual body. This is in keeping with the scripture saying: "It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body".
It does not say, "there WILL BE". It says "THERE IS".
You have natural eyes and ears which belong to your natural body and these allow you to hear the birds and see the rainbows.
But you also have SPIRITUAL eyes and ears. These form part of your SPIRITUAL body. With spiritual eyes and ears you are able to hear the voice of God who is 'spirit' and you are able to see "the evidence of things unseen".
Unseen by what? Of course, unseen by your natural eyes.
Jesus possessed a 'glorified state' long before his natural body was given over to the power of death. This 'glorified state' was in fact his spiritual body.
What happened to the natural body of Jesus? It was 'swallowed up' by his spiritual body. This is in fact what is meant by the much maligned word 'rapture'; what is meant when it says that Jesus triumphed over death ... the last enemy.
Of course, it is very difficult to comprehend this all for those who don't quite understand that they exist and have their being in two dimensions; one natural and the other spiritual; visible and invisible. That is what Abraham was telling us when he pitched his Tent: "For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker [is] God". We now exist in this city (aka: spiritual Jerusalem); and all inhabitants or citizens of this city function with spiritual bodies.

[Beloved Servant]

Perhaps inadvertently Sparrow,
But you touched on the whole reason that the Word took flesh!
To reconcile the creation unto God!

[Gilbert]

I'm not so sure about that...
Not arguing with you...
Just.. not so sure about that, beloved.
I see it being in a glorified state.
But not dissapearing.
I see it being made NEW.

Do you mean 'new' in the sense of fixing it so it becomes as 'new'?
Or, do you mean 'new' in the sense of entirely new; something created (re-created) as an original form and substance?
When the Bible speaks of a 'new creation', it is not speaking about a 'repair'.
When the Bible speaks of 'restoration', it is speaking about being restored to the undefiled intent of God "from the beginning".
When we speak of Obama being an agent of change; we should not be surprised to learn that he can be nothing more than a 'repair-man'; unable to change things, he resigns himself to fixing things.
But when we speak about God, He is not in the repair-business. He is truly a CHANGE agent. Old things indeed pass away and all things become 'new'.
We should understand what the scriptures are saying with the following: "Therefore if any man [be] in Christ, [he is] a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new"; "For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature".
These scriptures are speaking about NEW.
If you look up the word 'new creature' in Strongs Concordance, you will see that it means "new species". The old creature was the natural man; the new creature is the spiritual man.
When you were born again, you were not born 'afresh'; nor were you somehow 'repaired'. You were born again as a new species (new creature). Similar to earthly parents, God Himself gives these 'new creatures' a name which only He knows.