What kind of churches do you all go to?

[peacemaker]

You can catch the anointing ... through their committed partnership with his ministry ... confirmed with signs following ... no question that the same anointing ... for his ministry in their prayers and support ... signs and wonders the Anointing is the same ... only anointed ... Workers of Miracles, Administrative gifts of Kingdom Seed ... etc., etc., etc. ... with particular anointing because He fully intends to expand the anointing ... into the lives of the people of the congregation as they obey ... the supernatural ... with all of the accompanying miracles ... that are in the life of that teaching ministry ... God does call people to specialize in His service with the Word and the Spirit, it's for the profit of the Kingdom ... when He places His anointing on someone ... fully intending for others to share ...

Martin for a moment, you almost sounded like Jerry Savelle, Jesse Duplantis, and Kenneth Copeland?

peacemaker

[martincisneros]

Actually, I was referring to what I see in the Scriptures and have experienced first hand.

[martincisneros]

Thanks for the compliment, though, peacemaker:-)  I count it an honor for anyone to associate me with those men of God who are good friends of mine.  Christ Jesus has used the anointing on one of those that you mentioned to save my life more than once and to get me out of sin more than once, and to build genuine integrity into me.

[martincisneros]

Thank you sooo much, peacemaker!  Thank you!!  God bless you!!!  God is goooood, isn't He?

[reFORMer]

I believe God has different people different places at different times.  He'll lead and arrange.

Plus... if I heard the preacher talking about my beautiful God burning people for all eternity... I might end up throwing a hymn book at his head.  :laughing7:  :mshock: Did I just say that out loud??

tweet tweet.

If you can make that a little more definite, I'll supply all the hymn books you want for free!

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: rofl....

[peacemaker]

Thanks for the compliment, though, peacemaker:-)  I count it an honor for anyone to associate me with those men of God who are good friends of mine.  Christ Jesus has used the anointing on one of those that you mentioned to save my life more than once and to get me out of sin more than once, and to build genuine integrity into me.

Nothing but an observation, although, having integrity is a good thing!

"An inner sense of wholeness."

peacemaker

[reFORMer]

(Other than the phrase, "Go to church" never occurs in the Bible in relation to anyone or anything!  Since the fire came and rested on everyone in the Upper Room "WE ARE THE CHURCH" and everywhere we go we bring the presence of God.)

While I really believe in the freedom in a home fellowship, unless you get a little outside help, it's very unlikely the group will continue more than a couple of years at most.  But...at least you get to experience the body ministering one to another and what the liberty is that the Spirit brings.  The Church isn't even on the program of most that call their stage show "church."  We need to catch the purpose of God to make each of us into His image and likeness and meet on that basis.  How can that "Perfect Man" happen without participating with other members of His body?  "Here we have no continuing city." (Hebrews)

Another "Church" scene for me is some place where there are hungry people who love Jesus and His word, specially those newly born again, because that's where I can do maximum damage!  Of course you have to walk in more wisdom there than you can muster; but, I makes you lean heavy on the Lord to lead you what to do or say and when to shut up.  I thank Him for times when He actually shut me up.  We'll see how far we can go this time before we get a bad name and are told to leave...or, will we completely succeed?  There are so many things that need adjusting!  I won't share clear specifics of Universal Salvation until they have demonstrated willingness to change to be more in accordance with what is written and I know they'll give me enough time to get enough out to adequately present the case, unless God makes it happen.  Ideally this is in the context of having learned that agreement on these matters is not the center of our fellowship.  That this and so many other peripheral differences cannot be allowed to divide brethren while we yet remain open to discuss, search out and change our beliefs as we walk together is an attitude advancing toward maturity.  I believe the establishment of this latter quality of character makes possible whatever subsequent change God would bring because they've learned to listen to other brethren and weigh what they hear with what is written.

[martincisneros]

Because I know I'll inevitably be PMed about what I've said on this thread, sometime, eventually, perhaps even weeks after the regulars around here have forgotten about this thread, I'll go ahead and add to what I've already said:

I don't want to get the old Hatfield/McCoy fuss started around here that certain search terms around here has caused in the past, but integrity is all that free will means to me.  If I say I'll do something or that I'm good for something, I'll smash every molecule of this body in the process of doing what I said I'd do IF IT TOOK IT to do what I said I'd do.  When you get that serious about your own word, then faith in the Written Word of God is the easiest thing 'cause it's first nature to you to regard it as His bond that He has bled through the pores of His skin to keep.  And yes, it is unquestionably the grace of God at work in someone's life to bring them to that point. 

It's the grace of God that recreates the inner man when someone repents of their sin and confesses His Lordship over their lives according to Luke 24, Acts 17, Acts 20, Romans 10, 2Corinthians 5, and 1Peter 1.  When someone is born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible seed through the Word of God that liveth and abideth to the age of 1Corinthians 15:28, all things genuinely become possible to those that believe His Written Word.  I don't believe in the total depravity of the new man that I've heard from many even around here, that irrespective of what is ever brought up about the Word, the Blood, the Anointing, Faith, and the New Birth that somehow someone is still incapable of baring fruit. 

No, life has been sown into us so that we would bare much fruit and so that our fruit would remain, that whatever we ask the Father in the Name of Jesus He'll give to us.  Nobody's tried to say, [or nobody that I've ever heard and studied with,] that building your life on the rock is easy 'cause Luke's Gospel says you have to dig deep.  But it is doable because He's already given to us all that heaven has through His exceedingly great and precious promises that have come to us in His grace and peace so that by these precious promises we'd be participants of the divine nature, escaping the corruption that's in the world through the things that would try to choke the Word.  For this reason we make our calling and election sure, because we have the promise that as we dig deep that we'll never stumble. 

Actually says that in the Word of God although that seems to be very foreign to many believers.  And in saying that it says that if we dig deep, I am obviously passing over a number of verses in 2Peter 1 and summarizing them with that statement about digging deep from Luke's Gospel.  1Corinthians chapters 9 through 14 and Ephesians 4 says that the stitches that hold it all together are the ministry gifts that Christ has set in the Body until we all come into the fullness of the stature of all of these anointings that are being ministered among us and that we're having opportunity to sow into and with.  We're compacted, or held together, by that which every joint, or every joining of these anointings supplies.  That's where each of these gifts intercept with our lives and where we're not therefore ashamed of the Lord, nor of His prisoners but are partakers in the afflictions of the Gospel according to the power of God Who has saved us and called us with a holy calling according to His own purpose and grace. 

2Corinthians 8 says we're supposed to be growing in all of the graces that Christ has sown into the Body rather than finding the quickest door away from some of them because they don't see the perfect Day of the Lord, and the end intended by the Lord, as clearly as we do.  It's our bonds in the anointing that hold us together.  And the anointings keep growing as they combine as sperm and egg would join together in the Body.  And as we keep nurturing those relationships that God gives us, then the Body keeps growing and reaching, growing and reaching for the day that all of the nations have Christ formed in them. (Galatians 4:19)  It's the very Gospel that we preach that Christ Jesus in His High Priestly ministry is nurturing the growth of in the earth, until every need in every life is fulfilled.  But it's not anything that God's going to do in a corner, and it's not anything that God's going to discard the previous generations of the administrations of the High Priestly ministry of Jesus over.  He's consummating all of history not only in Him, but Ephesians says it's in these very anointings (i.e. Christ) that I've been talking about every chance that I get.

[martincisneros]

My sperm and egg analogy that I felt like I passed over too briefly in my previous post was meant to convey that when anointings from Christ within the Body combine, then they produce an anointing that's a little different than either of the parent anointings and it's next generation.  I realize I was very sketchy on my Scripture references, but I did my best to speak in the exact words of Scripture on what I just said if you need to reread that a dozen times and then read through about a dozen translations of the New Testament trying to prove me wrong.  Just do it prayerfully, if you take on that type of attitude, and have the exact words of the Scriptures if you'd wish to draw my attention to a difference of interpretation of the anointings related to the expanding Body from His High Priesthood and as both relate to the discipleship of the nations and the consummation of history which in actuality is the consummation of every promise of the Written Word to the furthest demension intended by Father prior to the resurrection that takes us to the next stage of this on the New Earth that'll have a whole different history and further demension of Scriptural prophetic fulfillment of it's own as Christ makes final day preparations related to 1Corinthians 15:28.  Tall order, but I sincerely just poured my heart out.  All things that pertain to life, godliness, and the future have been provided for in the Written Word of God.

[martincisneros]

Pray God sends me an English teacher willing to freely edit everything I write in more manageable English.  I'm really bad about those kinds of sentences when my heart is particularly pouring an interpretation of things I've previously had in my spirit's relationship with the Holy Spirit.  Sometimes I'll try to edit my stuff and I have no idea where and how to reword that.  And get leery of jacking with what I just said.

[peacemaker]

Upper Room

508. anogeon an-ogue'-eh-on from 507 and 1093; above the ground, i.e. (properly) the second floor of a building; used for a dome or a balcony on the upper story:--upper room.

507. ano an'-o adverb from 473; upward or on the top:--above, brim, high, up.

1093. ge ghay contracted from a primary word; soil; by extension a region, or the solid part or the whole of the terrene globe (including the occupants in each application):--country, earth(-ly), ground, land, world.

Terrene Synonyms (earthen):
      
•   earthlike
•   terrestrial
•   earthbound
•   earthy
•   mundane
•   secular
•   tellurian
•   telluric
•   temporal
•   worldly
•   dirt

Globe – a spherical body; sphere.

A spherical or bowl like container, especially a glass cover for a light bulb.
Any ideas, or thoughts come to mind?

peacemaker

[Paul L]

Hey "Nathan"... the pastor of the foursquare church... were you ordained before you accepted UR?  I thought you wouldn't be able to be a pastor without accepting their posted doctrine:

Hell
We believe that hell is a place of darkness, deepest sorrow, and unquenchable fire, which was not prepared for man but for the devil and his angels; yet it will become the place of eternal separation from God for all who reject Christ as Savior (Matthew 13: 41, 42; Revelation 20:10, 15).

Judgment
We believe that all shall stand before the judgment seat of Christ: the redeemed to be delivered unto everlasting life, and the unrepentant unto everlasting punishment (Revelation 20:11, 12; 2 Corinthians 5:10).

[Cardinal]

Upper Room

508. anogeon an-ogue'-eh-on from 507 and 1093; above the ground, i.e. (properly) the second floor of a building; used for a dome or a balcony on the upper story:--upper room.

Globe – a spherical body; sphere.

A spherical or bowl like container, especially a glass cover for a light bulb.
Any ideas, or thoughts come to mind?

peacemaker

:cloud9: The "upper room" of the mind, ie. Golgotha, the place of the skull. The tongues of fire came upon their heads, and begin to purify the soul. Blessings.....

[peacemaker]

Upper Room

508. anogeon an-ogue'-eh-on from 507 and 1093; above the ground, i.e. (properly) the second floor of a building; used for a dome or a balcony on the upper story:--upper room.

Globe – a spherical body; sphere.

A spherical or bowl like container, especially a glass cover for a light bulb.
Any ideas, or thoughts come to mind?

:cloud9: The "upper room" of the mind, ie. Golgotha, the place of the skull. The tongues of fire came upon their heads, and begin to purify the soul. Blessings.....

Indeed, Cardinal, the event is more important than the place.

[reFORMer]

Upper Room

508. anogeon an-ogue'-eh-on from 507 and 1093; above the ground, i.e. (properly) the second floor of a building; used for a dome or a balcony on the upper story:--upper room.

Globe – a spherical body; sphere.

A spherical or bowl like container, especially a glass cover for a light bulb.

peacemaker

:cloud9: The "upper room" of the mind, ie. Golgotha, the place of the skull. The tongues of fire came upon their heads, and begin to purify the soul. Blessings.....

And the oil fed the flame as it flowed down the beard of the Enlightened High Priest to the hem of his garment:  ENGULFED CATHEDRAL...swallowed up in victory!!!

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Amen guys; but I started to ask you all if you "got" the connection I was trying to make, as in, "dome" and cranium, and then it hit me that is why the DOME of the Rock is built on the temple mount, ie. another natural witness only in this case to be a reproach, of something God's Spirit did. Blessings....

[firstborn888]

Martin for a moment, you almost sounded like Jerry Savelle, Jesse Duplantis, and Kenneth Copeland?

Or Charles Capps? Martin - do you remember the Gos-pill Capps-sules???  :laughing7:

[martincisneros]

Remember them?  I shattered obesity from this body with them and got my ears cleaned out to be able to consistently hear the Lord's Voice with them.  I still consider Charles Capps little booklets "God's Creative Power Will Work For You" and "God's Creative Power For Healing" to be required reading for anyone to get the rest of the way to where they're trying to get if they have any genuine ideas of God really turning certain situations in their lives around.  Some issue, somewhere in their life is covered by those two minibooks, although obviously it'll take many more principles than there's space in those booklets to elaborate on, besides those basic principles, to get there.  Perfecting love, perseverance, and developing experience and wisdom in the smallest things of life with those booklets are necessary key ingredients for people to stick with the principles in those little books -- otherwise, anything really great doesn't last too long if you can't push your way into some results with it sometime or other.  Some people still don't have an accurately set clock on the VCR/DVR or in their automobile that they've had for years!  Plus, John 8, John 15, Joshua 1, Proverbs 4, Mark 4, Colossians 3, and 1John 2, among [many] other passages, indicates rather conspicuously that it's going to take getting as much of the Word abiding in you as you can possibly cram into your innermost being and lifestyle to get very far and very deep into the results the Kingdom has for you with it's Blessings.

[Nathan]

Hey "Nathan"... the pastor of the foursquare church... were you ordained before you accepted UR?  I thought you wouldn't be able to be a pastor without accepting their posted doctrine:

Hell
We believe that hell is a place of darkness, deepest sorrow, and unquenchable fire, which was not prepared for man but for the devil and his angels; yet it will become the place of eternal separation from God for all who reject Christ as Savior (Matthew 13: 41, 42; Revelation 20:10, 15).

Judgment
We believe that all shall stand before the judgment seat of Christ: the redeemed to be delivered unto everlasting life, and the unrepentant unto everlasting punishment (Revelation 20:11, 12; 2 Corinthians 5:10).

I was as traditional as they come for the first year of my tenure.  It was almost on my one year aniversary to the day that it all changed.  I felt led to lead the church through a 40 day fast with the specific purpose for seeking direction of where God wanted us to go as a church.  Just after the 40 days were completed, I was given a video tape called "The voice behind me" a message delivered by a guy named Mark Hanby.  The second "literally" my hands touched the tape, God spoke to my spirit (if Ice Dash is still around, that's the arena where God speaks to me the most . . .) and stated that this was the direction we were to go.

The crazy thing is, I never made the connection that this was a result of the fast until another year later.  But I digress . . . I took the tape and called the leadership of my church together . . .told them I have no idea who this Mark Hanby guy is, I have no idea what the video is about aside from the title . . .but this is the direction God is leading us.  We watched the tape, I later played it again for the congregation . .and we've never looked back since.  I did have several families leave . . but since then, I've had just as many come in and stay.

But no, in the beginning, I was a Pastor first . .then I went dimensional.

[mrsocko]

I go to The Vineyard and every Sunday the First song sung is

Come, now is the Time to Worship
Come, now is the time to give your heart
Come, just as you are to worship
Come, just as you are before your God

Someday every tongue will confess you are God
Someday every knee will bow
Still the greatest treasure remains for those who gladly serve you now

My pastor is the one who told me about UR. He presented it as a possiblility, not a certainty. It's great belong to a church that is not a bounded set!


Hell
We believe that hell is a place of darkness, deepest sorrow, and unquenchable fire, which was not prepared for man but for the devil and his angels; yet it will become the place of eternal separation from God for all who reject Christ as Savior (Matthew 13: 41, 42; Revelation 20:10, 15).

Judgment
We believe that all shall stand before the judgment seat of Christ: the redeemed to be delivered unto everlasting life, and the unrepentant unto everlasting punishment (Revelation 20:11, 12; 2 Corinthians 5:10).

I believe in UR and I also believe each of these statments. Every human repents!!!

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: I love that song...... :thumbsup:

[Doc]

I go to The Vineyard and every Sunday the First song sung is

Come, now is the Time to Worship
Come, now is the time to give your heart
Come, just as you are to worship
Come, just as you are before your God

Someday every tongue will confess you are God
Someday every knee will bow
Still the greatest treasure remains for those who gladly serve you now

My pastor is the one who told me about UR. He presented it as a possiblility, not a certainty. It's great belong to a church that is not a bounded set!


Hell
We believe that hell is a place of darkness, deepest sorrow, and unquenchable fire, which was not prepared for man but for the devil and his angels; yet it will become the place of eternal separation from God for all who reject Christ as Savior (Matthew 13: 41, 42; Revelation 20:10, 15).

Judgment
We believe that all shall stand before the judgment seat of Christ: the redeemed to be delivered unto everlasting life, and the unrepentant unto everlasting punishment (Revelation 20:11, 12; 2 Corinthians 5:10).

I believe in UR and I also believe each of these statments. Every human repents!!!

You can't believe in UR and those statements as stated above and be consistent. They are a contradiction in terms.

Replace the words "eternal" and "everlasting" with their proper translation and you might be getting somewhere.

[WhiteWings]

.... and the unrepentant unto everlasting punishment (Revelation 20:11, 12; 2 Corinthians 5:10).

There is a lot to think about in that sentence. It are not literal verses but summizes pretty well what I've seen on several ET sites.

It speaks about "unrepentant" not about sinners.
IMO there are two types of people. "sinners that do repent" and "sinners that do not repent"

So the UNrepenting sinners get punished forever. But my guess is that during the punishment they start to repent.
And that is the point they join the other group.

[NinjaWizards777]

I go to a Wesleyan or this Vineyard church most the time. Id love it if there were a church around here that was christian universalist (rather than unitarian, we have one of those)

but I think its more important to not divide over stupid doctuninal issues and instead unite on what we do share in common. Being around people that believe very differently allows me to share what I have learned without having to section myself off behind concrete walls.