The Third

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Ok, so back meditating on this thread again.....so if the spirit being caught back up into our mother's womb, then that would necessitate being being birthed out of that reality, which would be the blood (Spirit) part of, "coming both from the water (flesh) and the blood".

I know this blood to be produced from the rending of the second veil which is the Spirit of CHRIST in us, that comes from laying the INNER court 5 fold titles and giftings on the altar of incense (Holy incense COMPOUNDED from 5 ingredients).

This corresponds to the morning/left hand incense offering (9am when they took flesh of Him) and the evening/right hand incense offering (3pm when He gave up his SPIRIT).

As a side note; it was customary for the Priest to say, "It is finished" when completing his duties. Still thinking here......Blessings.....

[claypot]

And the smoke of the incense, [which came] with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.  5  And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast [it] into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake. {into: or, upon}  6  And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.  7   The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.  8  And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the  third  part of the sea became blood;  9  And the  third  part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the  third  part of the ships were destroyed.  10  And the  third  angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the  third  part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;  11  And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the  third  part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.  12  And the fourth angel sounded, and the  third  part of the sun was smitten, and the  third  part of the moon, and the  third  part of the stars; so as the  third  part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a  third  part of it, and the night likewise.  13  And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound! rev8.4

This is speaking big time to me!

cp

[claypot]

and there was sitting a certain youth, by name Eutychus, upon the window--being borne down by a deep sleep, Paul discoursing long--he having sunk down from the sleep, fell down from the third story,and was taken up dead. acts20.9

  I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the  third  heaven.2cor12.2

And that he was buried, and that he rose again the  third  day according to the scriptures:1cor15.4

  He saith unto him the  third  time, Simon, [son] of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the  third  time, Lovest thou me?jn21.17

159 references with a third being emphasized. Hmmmmmmmm.

cp

[Nathan]

For me, in Revelation, the 1/3 of things destroyed is that 1/3 part that makes us, us.  The nature of the carnal mind is destroyed . . in doing so, the mind becomes renewed . . .the old is restored back to innocense and enabled once again to live in the garden where we will once again walk with God in the Spirit of the day . . .incidentally, that's actually depicting Christ . . he is the Day Star . .He is the Light of the world . . . we walk in the essence of Jesus.

It's THESE kinds of thoughts I believe were to be filling our minds with . . .not religiousness and memorization of Scripture . . .but simply bringing our mind to a place of quiet and "let" our spirit begin traveling into the regions beyond thinking and into the heavenlies.

[Taffy]

For me, in Revelation, the 1/3 of things destroyed is that 1/3 part that makes us, us.  The nature of the carnal mind is destroyed . . in doing so, the mind becomes renewed . . .the old is restored back to innocense and enabled once again to live in the garden where we will once again walk with God in the Spirit of the day . . .incidentally, that's actually depicting Christ . . he is the Day Star . .He is the Light of the world . . . we walk in the essence of Jesus.

It's THESE kinds of thoughts I believe were to be filling our minds with . . .not religiousness and memorization of Scripture . . .but simply bringing our mind to a place of quiet and "let" our spirit begin traveling into the regions beyond thinking and into the heavenlies.

:thumbsup:


Psalm 104:30Thou sendest forth thy SPIRIT, THEY are CREATED: and thou RENEWEST the face of the earth.

spoken in Genisis.7th day

Gen 2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

Repeated

Jhn 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on [them], and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost


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[Nathan]

From the mist of the earth . . .the spirit rises up from within my earth the glory rises up from within and it washes the face . . .it cleanses with clarity of who we really are . . .it washes the face of the ground . . .it removes all of the dirt, the lies, the deceit, the darkness . . .and illuminates that we are the sons of God.

[Taffy]

From the mist of the earth . . .the spirit rises up from within my earth the glory rises up from within and it washes the face . . .it cleanses with clarity of who we really are . . .it washes the face of the ground . . .it removes all of the dirt, the lies, the deceit, the darkness . . .and illuminates that we are the sons of God.

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[Molly]

From the mist of the earth . . .the spirit rises up from within my earth the glory rises up from within and it washes the face . . .it cleanses with clarity of who we really are . . .it washes the face of the ground . . .it removes all of the dirt, the lies, the deceit, the darkness . . .and illuminates that we are the sons of God.

The face as the part that turns.


And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

--Gen 1

"face"

H6440
פּנים
pânîym
paw-neem'
Plural (but always used as a singular) of an unused noun (פּנה pâneh, paw-neh'; from 6437); the face (as the part that turns); used in a great variety of applications

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: To become one with that which does not turn, ie. in Him there is no shadow of turning.....

[Molly]

James 1:17
Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

[claypot]

For me, in Revelation, the 1/3 of things destroyed is that 1/3 part that makes us, us.  The nature of the carnal mind is destroyed . . in doing so, the mind becomes renewed . . .the old is restored back to innocense and enabled once again to live in the garden where we will once again walk with God in the Spirit of the day . . .incidentally, that's actually depicting Christ . . he is the Day Star . .He is the Light of the world . . . we walk in the essence of Jesus.

It's THESE kinds of thoughts I believe were to be filling our minds with . . .not religiousness and memorization of Scripture . . .but simply bringing our mind to a place of quiet and "let" our spirit begin traveling into the regions beyond thinking and into the heavenlies.

That's what I'm seeing. The third of the angels that fell to me represents the carnal part of the whole but what really floors me is now I am reading all the accounts of the demons, Lucifer and Satan with new understanding. Amazing insights into who and what we are.

cp

[Nathan]

Satan = Adversary
Devil = Traducer

Both fit my carnal mind.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Well, here's another one to throw out there. I haven't thought that much on it, to try to reconcile it with everything else, but when someone I knew was almost possessed (it was going down her throat) by a demon, months later when she knew and heard the Lord she asked Him where it had come from. He told her SHE had formed it from the hate and murder in her own heart. Selah. Blessings.....

[reFORMer]

Scripture doesn't actually say 1/3 of the "angels" were cast out of heaven.  That is probably assumed from Rv 12:9 where, "...the great dragon was cast out, the ancient serpent called Adversary and Satan, who is deceiving the whole inhabited earth. It was cast into the earth, and its messengers were cast with it."  Concerning that dragon in verse 4, "...its tail is dragging a third of the stars of heaven, and casts them into the earth."  This is the passage that is used to say 1/3 of the angels were cast "out of heaven," though cast "into the earth" could be another thing.  Anyway, it's in the midst of Rv 12, the portion about the woman birthing the Manchild.  While the devils angels are cast out of heaven with him, what is written is 1/3 of the stars, not 1/3 of the angels, are cast into the earth by his tail.  (It is estimated that with particularly good visibility over 100,000 stars are visible in the night sky, though how many in total would be incalcuable)

The first explanation of what the stars are is:
Genesis 1:14-18, (AV)...
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

The second explanation of "stars" is God's Word to Abraham:
Gn 15:5-6, (AV)...
5 "And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.
6 And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness."
This meaning is reiterated several times.

For the dreams Joseph (lit., "Increaser") already had, "... his brethren said to him, Shalt thou indeed reign over us? or shalt thou indeed have dominion over us? And they hated him yet the more for his dreams, and for his words. (Gn 37:8, AV)  Then occurs additional refinements on the meanings off "star."  Here it means the "Patriarchs":

Genesis 37:9-11, (AV)...
9 And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars {which would be 12 stars, including himself} made obeisance to me.
10 And he told it to his father, and to his brethren: and his father rebuked him, and said unto him, What is this dream that thou hast dreamed? Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth?
11 And his brethren envied him; but his father observed the saying.

Probably the 4 and 20 elders (Rv 4:10) represent the 12 Patriarchs plus the 12 Apostles.  Now notice, back in Rv 12, the woman has, "...on her head a wreath of twelve stars." (vs.1)  Though there were at least 34 or 35 named apostles in the N.T. (according the Herbert Lockyear) this can be understood as the 12 Apostles of the Lamb.  For her (60 fold company), authority is understood as external, referrential and historical.  "The moon is underneath her feet" (vs.1) indicates a 30 fold company who face earthward and who's path is determined by the gravity of the earth, for whom she is the authority.  But the Manchild (100 fold company) holds a rod of iron.  For this vessel, authority is vested in him, being "snatched" ("possessed") "...to God and His throne."  This Manchild, "...is about to be shepherding all the nations (vs.5)

[Nathan]

I see the 12 as being government . . not specific people, but govenment in general . . .
I just now did a quick search on numbers . . .copied and pasted the first one I opened up . . .I've done some searching in this before and have found most of the charts are very similar.  But it helps with the keys of understanding patterns . . .it's not about placing people in the puzzle . . . seeing the 12 means government and the fact that it's a wreath wrapped around one's head . . .speaks to me that it's a renewed mind . . .a new government upon our shoulders . . .


One Beginning, one
Two Witness, separation
Three The Godhead
Four Earth, creation, world
Five Grace, cross, atonement, life 
Six Man, beast, Satan
Seven Perfection, completeness
Eight New beginning
Nine Completeness, finality, fulness
Ten Law, government, restoration
Eleven Incompleteness, disorganization, disintegration
Twelve Divine government, apostolic fulness
Thirteen Rebellion, backsliding, apostacy.
Fourteen Passover
Seventeen Spiritual order
Twenty-four Priestly courses; governmental perfection
Thirty Consecration; maturity for ministry 
Forty Probation, testing, closing in victory or judgment
Fifty Pentecost, liberty, freedom, jubilee
Seventy Prior to increase
Seventy-five Separation, cleansing, purification
One hundred twenty End of all flesh, beginning life in the Spirit
One hundred forty-four God's ultimate in creation
One hundred fifty-three Revival, the elect
Three hundred Faithful remnant
Six hundred sixty-six Antichrist, Satan, the damned Triplicate 666