my question is.........

[claypot]

My question is........

What the heck am I?

Seriously. What are we? I see an amazing thing I call myself and creation. I talk about it and give it terms and explanations that don't even seem to come close although they are exciting to my mind at times.

What I am looking for is the reality, the nowness. I am something. I am a thought of God. In my case it seems a stray thought but a thought none the less. I think this tabernacle business is a key as all life, Scripture included, is.

To get these amazing teachings from the page to me existant being is my goal.

What am I? Who am I?

cp

[Molly]

My question is........

What the heck am I?

Seriously. What are we? I see an amazing thing I call myself and creation. I talk about it and give it terms and explanations that don't even seem to come close although they are exciting to my mind at times.

What I am looking for is the reality, the nowness. I am something. I am a thought of God. In my case it seems a stray thought but a thought none the less. I think this tabernacle business is a key as all life, Scripture included, is.

To get these amazing teachings from the page to me existant being is my goal.

What am I? Who am I?

cp

1 Corinthians 3:16
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

[claypot]

I know Molly, I know. I know many of those answers mentally but I just can't get them into my real 'knowing place'. I am the temple of God. What the heck is that? The dwelling place for the Spirit of God. OK. What does that make me? I sure don't feel like I'm a temple or tabernacle or the home of God unless feeling just ok is what it's all about.

What comes to my mind is that I am a thought of God, period.

This is straying too far from the tabernacle thoughts so maybe I'll start a new thread on what I am looking for.

cp

[peacemaker]

What the heck am I?

"Nothing is anything, until you label it something."

PM

[claypot]

What the heck am I?

"Nothing is anything, until you label it something."

PM

I really liked that PM.

This thread is so good. Time, and other questions are a challenge right now but I do have one question.....

Why in the world is this thread in the Bible Threatenings Explained section?

cp

[claypot]

For we know that if (I would say 'when') our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked. For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.2cor4.18

I do groan.

What am I?

I am a tabernacle that needs (is) dissolving. 

cp

[Zeek]

For we know that if (I would say 'when') our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked. For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.2cor4.18

I do groan.

What am I?

I am a tabernacle that needs (is) dissolving. 

cp

I don't believe it's a "self centered groaning".

Rom 9:2  That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.

Rom 9:3  For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:

Rom 9:4  Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

Rom 9:32  Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

Rom 9:33  As it is written, Behold, I lay in Zion a stumblingstone and rock of offense: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.


Paul knew who he was in Christ. 

[Zeek]

Heb 8:13  In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

ready to vanish away, the "old covenant" and all it's elements.

2Pe 3:10  But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

2Pe 3:12  Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?


I really don't think Paul was always looking inward, in a "poor me, I cant' wait till i'm made "new" finally;


but rather;


the day when all Israel would be free from the law. 

[claypot]

Heb 8:13  In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

ready to vanish away, the "old covenant" and all it's elements.

2Pe 3:10  But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

2Pe 3:12  Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?


I really don't think Paul was always looking inward, in a "poor me, I cant' wait till i'm made "new" finally;


but rather;


the day when all Israel would be free from the law. 

Hi Zeek, I don't think Paul was in a 'poor me' frame of mind either. I hope you don't think I am. I do think Paul saw much more than what appears on the surface, don't you?

I too look forward to and am enjoying in part the day when all Israel is freed from the law.

cp

[Zeek]

Heb 8:13  In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

ready to vanish away, the "old covenant" and all it's elements.

2Pe 3:10  But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

2Pe 3:12  Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?


I really don't think Paul was always looking inward, in a "poor me, I cant' wait till i'm made "new" finally;


but rather;


the day when all Israel would be free from the law. 

Hi Zeek, I don't think Paul was in a 'poor me' frame of mind either. I hope you don't think I am. I do think Paul saw much more than what appears on the surface, don't you?

I too look forward to and am enjoying in part the day when all Israel is freed from the law.

cp

I truly think Paul's hope, his groaning was for others, not himself.  Forgive me if i assume your "groaning" is not about yourself, but it appears to me you feel, "i am so tired of not living from the spirit, and from walking in the flesh", "i am so ready to be released from this "body" of flesh", please Jesus "rescue me".

this to me is an inward application that isn't aware of who you are, and that your life is service.   You are free, you have overcome.   


as far as Israel, they imo are freed from the law; the "emancipation of decl" is complete, the slaves are set free.  Unity/oneness at this point is realized, not made at this point. 

[claypot]

Heb 8:13  In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

ready to vanish away, the "old covenant" and all it's elements.

2Pe 3:10  But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

2Pe 3:12  Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?


I really don't think Paul was always looking inward, in a "poor me, I cant' wait till i'm made "new" finally;


but rather;


the day when all Israel would be free from the law. 

Hi Zeek, I don't think Paul was in a 'poor me' frame of mind either. I hope you don't think I am. I do think Paul saw much more than what appears on the surface, don't you?

I too look forward to and am enjoying in part the day when all Israel is freed from the law.

cp

I truly think Paul's hope, his groaning was for others, not himself.  Forgive me if i assume your "groaning" is not about yourself, but it appears to me you feel, "i am so tired of not living from the spirit, and from walking in the flesh", "i am so ready to be released from this "body" of flesh", please Jesus "rescue me".

this to me is an inward application that isn't aware of who you are, and that your life is service.   You are free, you have overcome.   


as far as Israel, they imo are freed from the law; the "emancipation of decl" is complete, the slaves are set free.  Unity/oneness at this point is realized, not made at this point. 

Yes Zeek, I can expound all the glories of being free. I do see things that be not as though they were. Zeek, I live in this world of flesh too. I see horrible things like tortures and rapes and wars and all sorts of like conflicts. I see this in my own being too. I think Paul did too. He was not always the happy go lucky guy you seem to see. He struggled more with the flesh (Romans 7) than I will ever do. If you think Paul only groaned for others I think you may need to read Romans 7 again.

I am completely free in Christ yet I am still attached to this flesh in certain ways.

Are you attached to the flesh in any way Zeek or have you fully ascended in every way?

You are so right, I have overcome, in Christ.

cp

[Zeek]

hi cp, off to work.  i'll get back to ya later

[Zeek]

hi cp, off to work.  i'll get back to ya later

you ask am i attached to the flesh??  in anyway??

before i answer, what is the flesh to you?? 

[claypot]

In this sense I am asking if you are connected in any way to corruption. Like I know I am in Christ and He in me and thus perfect but Zeek, I am still a nasty person in so many ways on a different level of existence. I cannot say this is not me yet it is not me in some mystical way.

Do you understand?

cp

[Zeek]

In this sense I am asking if you are connected in any way to corruption. Like I know I am in Christ and He in me and thus perfect but Zeek, I am still a nasty person in so many ways on a different level of existence. I cannot say this is not me yet it is not me in some mystical way.

Do you understand?

cp

Yes I do understand, but it's not you that is "nasty", it's not "you" that sins.  At least it's not me.  I am not attached to "the sin in me".  And the more I focus on it, the more power it has. 

I am not in the flesh, even though flesh fruits arise in me.  It is no longer me, but sin in me. 

I am free, I know my identity.  And so do you. 

You are not in the flesh, if the Spirit is in you. 

and  it is. 




Love to you brother.

Z

[claypot]

In this sense I am asking if you are connected in any way to corruption. Like I know I am in Christ and He in me and thus perfect but Zeek, I am still a nasty person in so many ways on a different level of existence. I cannot say this is not me yet it is not me in some mystical way.

Do you understand?

cp

Yes I do understand, but it's not you that is "nasty", it's not "you" that sins.  At least it's not me.  I am not attached to "the sin in me".  And the more I focus on it, the more power it has. 

I am not in the flesh, even though flesh fruits arise in me.  It is no longer me, but sin in me. 

I am free, I know my identity.  And so do you. 

You are not in the flesh, if the Spirit is in you. 

and  it is. 


Love to you brother.

Z

That's why I said 'I am still a nasty person in so many ways on a different level of existence.'

Do you not take any responsibility for any coarse thing you may do in the flesh Brother? I ask this very seriously.

cp

[claypot]

Nathan, I see Zeek and I and ???? are getting off the tabernacle subject which I don't want to do.

Hey Zeek, what we are talking about would do well in the 'What am I?' thread, don't you think?

cp

[Zeek]

In this sense I am asking if you are connected in any way to corruption. Like I know I am in Christ and He in me and thus perfect but Zeek, I am still a nasty person in so many ways on a different level of existence. I cannot say this is not me yet it is not me in some mystical way.

Do you understand?

cp

Yes I do understand, but it's not you that is "nasty", it's not "you" that sins.  At least it's not me.  I am not attached to "the sin in me".  And the more I focus on it, the more power it has. 

I am not in the flesh, even though flesh fruits arise in me.  It is no longer me, but sin in me. 

I am free, I know my identity.  And so do you. 

You are not in the flesh, if the Spirit is in you. 

and  it is. 


Love to you brother.

Z

That's why I said 'I am still a nasty person in so many ways on a different level of existence.'

Do you not take any responsibility for any coarse thing you may do in the flesh Brother? I ask this very seriously.

cp

i don't see myself as "in the flesh", so how can I take responsibility for it??  If i were to take responsibility for it, would be imo; to deny who I am.  I am not "my flesh".  This has been the most transforming revelation to me.  We are to renew our mind, meaning, "not jump from the "bad branch to the good branch", but to realize i'm cut off from that tree. 

I am circumcised, not "becoming circumcised"; which I am pretty sure you will disagree with.

I agree though, this is off topic to this thread.  sorry, i'm famous for doing that.


blessings

z
   

[claypot]

In this sense I am asking if you are connected in any way to corruption. Like I know I am in Christ and He in me and thus perfect but Zeek, I am still a nasty person in so many ways on a different level of existence. I cannot say this is not me yet it is not me in some mystical way.

Do you understand?

cp

Yes I do understand, but it's not you that is "nasty", it's not "you" that sins.  At least it's not me.  I am not attached to "the sin in me".  And the more I focus on it, the more power it has. 

I am not in the flesh, even though flesh fruits arise in me.  It is no longer me, but sin in me. 

I am free, I know my identity.  And so do you. 

You are not in the flesh, if the Spirit is in you. 

and  it is. 


Love to you brother.

Z

That's why I said 'I am still a nasty person in so many ways on a different level of existence.'

Do you not take any responsibility for any coarse thing you may do in the flesh Brother? I ask this very seriously.

cp

i don't see myself as "in the flesh", so how can I take responsibility for it??  If i were to take responsibility for it, would be imo; to deny who I am.  I am not "my flesh".  This has been the most transforming revelation to me.  We are to renew our mind, meaning, "not jump from the "bad branch to the good branch", but to realize i'm cut off from that tree. 

I am circumcised, not "becoming circumcised"; which I am pretty sure you will disagree with.

I agree though, this is off topic to this thread.  sorry, i'm famous for doing that.


blessings

z
   

OK forget off topic for now. We'll get it back on course with Taf's help.

Zeek, you don't seem to be hearing most of my posts on the subject of me believing I am circumcised and I will be circumcised and I am becoming circumcised. I just cannot see Scripture on one level. It is too much like a diamond to do so. So many faceted to see just one angle.

I am concerned about the responsibility issue. So if you do something wrong like speeding in your car and you go to court, do you say to the judge that it was your flesh doing it not you so you are innocent? Again, I am being serious. You have good responses and I am learning.

cp

[Taffy]

ok Guys..Hope i got the right posts.... :icon_flower:

[claypot]

Looks good to me Taf. You are quite the magician! Ooooops, is magician not a good thing?

cp

[Zeek]

"Zeek, you don't seem to be hearing most of my posts on the subject of me believing I am circumcised and I will be circumcised and I am becoming circumcised. I just cannot see Scripture on one level. It is too much like a diamond to do so. So many faceted to see just one angle.

I am concerned about the responsibility issue. So if you do something wrong like speeding in your car and you go to court, do you say to the judge that it was your flesh doing it not you so you are innocent? Again, I am being serious. You have good responses and I am learning.

cp"


What i believe is that the "flesh" is an identity, a "who we are".  It's based off of self, in the absence of revealed unconditional love.   

I am not that "identity" anymore, I am ONE with the Father.   

To identify with "the flesh" is to deny Christ.  My spirit testifies with His Spirit that I am a child of God.  I am HIS.  Any act or deed that is "sinful" is not me, as that would mean my Father is a sinner.  My identity is HIM. 

I believe as long as we are humans, there will be "sinful" acts or "wrong doings"; but praise God, I am no longer "identified" with that, it no longer is me.  My response is PRAISE and THANKS. 

I am the one who is "aware" of these "wrong acts", but no longer the sinner doing them.  They can continue, and likely will continue throughout my life; but they are not me. 

If I put a chair, a key, and a picture in front of u and asked "which one of these is you", I don't think u'd have a problem saying "none of them".  You are the one aware of those objects.  Sin, "flesh", "wrong deeds" are things I am aware of, but they are not me.  The more I resist doing them, the more identified I am with them, and the more they persist. 

[claypot]

"Zeek, you don't seem to be hearing most of my posts on the subject of me believing I am circumcised and I will be circumcised and I am becoming circumcised. I just cannot see Scripture on one level. It is too much like a diamond to do so. So many faceted to see just one angle.

I am concerned about the responsibility issue. So if you do something wrong like speeding in your car and you go to court, do you say to the judge that it was your flesh doing it not you so you are innocent? Again, I am being serious. You have good responses and I am learning.

cp"


What i believe is that the "flesh" is an identity, a "who we are".  It's based off of self, in the absence of revealed unconditional love.   

I am not that "identity" anymore, I am ONE with the Father.   

To identify with "the flesh" is to deny Christ.  My spirit testifies with His Spirit that I am a child of God.  I am HIS.  Any act or deed that is "sinful" is not me, as that would mean my Father is a sinner.  My identity is HIM. 

I believe as long as we are humans, there will be "sinful" acts or "wrong doings"; but praise God, I am no longer "identified" with that, it no longer is me.  My response is PRAISE and THANKS. 

I am the one who is "aware" of these "wrong acts", but no longer the sinner doing them.  They can continue, and likely will continue throughout my life; but they are not me. 

If I put a chair, a key, and a picture in front of u and asked "which one of these is you", I don't think u'd have a problem saying "none of them".  You are the one aware of those objects.  Sin, "flesh", "wrong deeds" are things I am aware of, but they are not me.  The more I resist doing them, the more identified I am with them, and the more they persist. 

So when you do wrong like, again, speeding in your car or shoplifting, who is it that is responsible for this wrong doing? Who pays the fine? Is it you and not you at the same time?

Again, I am being very serious here. I think we are on to something I want to know.

For me, I too am not really a citizen of this flesh yet I am me. I am a flesh and blood person as well as a spirit born person. I am not only aware, as you say, of my bad actions, I feel responsible for them too.

In some way I have to identify with the flesh yet for all that I don't deny Christ, at least I don't think I do. I am flesh and blood and I am born of the spirit. Again, the diamond thing. I just can't see it as one way totally. It is a mixture of many things in one.

cp

[Zeek]

"Zeek, you don't seem to be hearing most of my posts on the subject of me believing I am circumcised and I will be circumcised and I am becoming circumcised. I just cannot see Scripture on one level. It is too much like a diamond to do so. So many faceted to see just one angle.

I am concerned about the responsibility issue. So if you do something wrong like speeding in your car and you go to court, do you say to the judge that it was your flesh doing it not you so you are innocent? Again, I am being serious. You have good responses and I am learning.

cp"


What i believe is that the "flesh" is an identity, a "who we are".  It's based off of self, in the absence of revealed unconditional love.   

I am not that "identity" anymore, I am ONE with the Father.   

To identify with "the flesh" is to deny Christ.  My spirit testifies with His Spirit that I am a child of God.  I am HIS.  Any act or deed that is "sinful" is not me, as that would mean my Father is a sinner.  My identity is HIM. 

I believe as long as we are humans, there will be "sinful" acts or "wrong doings"; but praise God, I am no longer "identified" with that, it no longer is me.  My response is PRAISE and THANKS. 

I am the one who is "aware" of these "wrong acts", but no longer the sinner doing them.  They can continue, and likely will continue throughout my life; but they are not me. 

If I put a chair, a key, and a picture in front of u and asked "which one of these is you", I don't think u'd have a problem saying "none of them".  You are the one aware of those objects.  Sin, "flesh", "wrong deeds" are things I am aware of, but they are not me.  The more I resist doing them, the more identified I am with them, and the more they persist. 

So when you do wrong like, again, speeding in your car or shoplifting, who is it that is responsible for this wrong doing? Who pays the fine? Is it you and not you at the same time?

Again, I am being very serious here. I think we are on to something I want to know.

For me, I too am not really a citizen of this flesh yet I am me. I am a flesh and blood person as well as a spirit born person. I am not only aware, as you say, of my bad actions, I feel responsible for them too.

In some way I have to identify with the flesh yet for all that I don't deny Christ, at least I don't think I do. I am flesh and blood and I am born of the spirit. Again, the diamond thing. I just can't see it as one way totally. It is a mixture of many things in one.

cp

it is sin in me, not me

[claypot]

"Zeek, you don't seem to be hearing most of my posts on the subject of me believing I am circumcised and I will be circumcised and I am becoming circumcised. I just cannot see Scripture on one level. It is too much like a diamond to do so. So many faceted to see just one angle.

I am concerned about the responsibility issue. So if you do something wrong like speeding in your car and you go to court, do you say to the judge that it was your flesh doing it not you so you are innocent? Again, I am being serious. You have good responses and I am learning.

cp"


What i believe is that the "flesh" is an identity, a "who we are".  It's based off of self, in the absence of revealed unconditional love.   

I am not that "identity" anymore, I am ONE with the Father.   

To identify with "the flesh" is to deny Christ.  My spirit testifies with His Spirit that I am a child of God.  I am HIS.  Any act or deed that is "sinful" is not me, as that would mean my Father is a sinner.  My identity is HIM. 

I believe as long as we are humans, there will be "sinful" acts or "wrong doings"; but praise God, I am no longer "identified" with that, it no longer is me.  My response is PRAISE and THANKS. 

I am the one who is "aware" of these "wrong acts", but no longer the sinner doing them.  They can continue, and likely will continue throughout my life; but they are not me. 

If I put a chair, a key, and a picture in front of u and asked "which one of these is you", I don't think u'd have a problem saying "none of them".  You are the one aware of those objects.  Sin, "flesh", "wrong deeds" are things I am aware of, but they are not me.  The more I resist doing them, the more identified I am with them, and the more they persist. 

So when you do wrong like, again, speeding in your car or shoplifting, who is it that is responsible for this wrong doing? Who pays the fine? Is it you and not you at the same time?

Again, I am being very serious here. I think we are on to something I want to know.

For me, I too am not really a citizen of this flesh yet I am me. I am a flesh and blood person as well as a spirit born person. I am not only aware, as you say, of my bad actions, I feel responsible for them too.

In some way I have to identify with the flesh yet for all that I don't deny Christ, at least I don't think I do. I am flesh and blood and I am born of the spirit. Again, the diamond thing. I just can't see it as one way totally. It is a mixture of many things in one.

cp

it is sin in me, not me

OK Zeek but is this what you tell the police officer that pulls you over.....'Sorry officer, I didn't really do this it is the sin in me.' This may seem like a silly question but you get my drift.

In other words, what do you mean by it is the sin in you.

cp