Why would the World hate Jesus?

[Mickiel]

In John 15:18 Jesus said that if the World hates you, know that it hated him first. But why? Why would the World hate Jesus? What did he do to deserve such a thing as hate? I mean if you look at his life , as recorded by the bible, what did he do to draw such a thing as hate out of humans? And what will believers be doing to bring hatred out of humanity for them?

If a world would hate a person like Jesus, I'm sorry, that just does not speak much good for the world. I mean a world like that would be hard to live in. But thats what we have. We have to live in a world that hates a person like Jesus. That don't say much for our world.

In addition to this, Jesus said in vs 19, that because he calls and chooses a human, just because of that, the world will hate that human. So one of the Christ given identitys of knowing you are called of God, is to know that you are hated by men. People will hate you, for no reason other than they sense that they should. And if they somehow know that you are called, they will hate you for that calling, which is a " Sure Revelation" that one day God will reveal to the world who he has called and chosen.

We are living in a world that hates Jesus, don't fool yourself, this aint no picnic.

But again, WHY? I mean really, why would anyone hate Jesus?

Well I want to go into those reasons why people would hate Jesus. Its much to learn from this. This most unusual dynamic.

Peace.

[aspiring son]

The world hates being exposed for it's sin:

"And this is the condemnation, that light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light; because their deeds were evil" John 3-19

The truth hurts, and the truth is that there is not one righteous among us.

It is a spiritual hatred; spiritual truth pricking the hearts of sinners. Even us who receive the truth are first pricked and convicted(which is not fun). Traditions, religions, and fleshly reasoning exposed for what they are...........

[Molly]

They hate him because he's good and they're not.

1 John 3:12
Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

[Paul Hazelwood]

But who is the world?    Seems in the bible the ones that hated Jesus were religious people. 

[Mickiel]

Interesting responses, all of which I agree with. Another reason the world hates Jesus is because they believe his story, is the greatest story ever sold. There have been others born way before Christ, who claimed to be the son of God. There have been prophets and leaders who had 12 diciples, were supposedly born of a virgin, born under the signs of astrology  that held simular aspects to Jesus story, and many other unusual simularitys. Some of them very interesting indeed , in my view.

But the world thinks is just an often repeated story that dupes the minds and hearts of unsuspecting believers. Because of Hope, they think we have accepted Jesus story as " The Real One", and have locked in on that.

So they hate the Jesus story, because they feel its a multi repeated story since the dwan of Man.

Peace.

[Molly]

The common folks sealed his death warrant.  Pilate wanted to release him.



20But the chief priests and elders persuaded the multitude that they should ask Barabbas, and destroy Jesus.

21The governor answered and said unto them, Whether of the twain will ye that I release unto you? They said, Barabbas.

22Pilate saith unto them, What shall I do then with Jesus which is called Christ? They all say unto him, Let him be crucified.

23And the governor said, Why, what evil hath he done? But they cried out the more, saying, Let him be crucified.

24When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.

25Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.

--Mat 27

[Molly]

Interesting responses, all of which I agree with. Another reason the world hates Jesus is because they believe his story, is the greatest story ever sold. There have been others born way before Christ, who claimed to be the son of God. There have been prophets and leaders who had 12 diciples, were supposedly born of a virgin, born under the signs of astrology  that held simular aspects to Jesus story, and many other unusual simularitys. Some of them very interesting indeed , in my view.

But the world thinks is just an often repeated story that dupes the minds and hearts of unsuspecting believers. Because of Hope, they think we have accepted Jesus story as " The Real One", and have locked in on that.

So they hate the Jesus story, because they feel its a multi repeated story since the dwan of Man.

Peace.

I don't think the average person knows of any other stories.

In fact, all the great religions of the world voice complete respect for Jesus as a holy man, great teacher, etc. even if they don't believe he is what he said he was.

[Mickiel]

Another  reason the world hates Jesus, is the way he waited so long to come, and then he left and went away. They hate the mystery of that, the seemingly " Aloftness" of that, which I can understand. Absence makes the heart grow founder, or it can make it hate.

The World hates Jesus because he had the gall to wait so long to come, then come in the flesh, and then leave without establishing the Kingdom of God on earth.

They really hate this.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

 

One of the most profound reasons that the world hates Jesus, is that he " Allows so much sin and Evil." And I think this to be one of the more popular reasons that the world hates Jesus. They figure, and rightly so, that if there was or is a Jesus, that he must have the Power to change all of this, but he has not.

So they hate that.

Peace.

[Molly]

The common folks sealed his death warrant.  Pilate wanted to release him.



20But the chief priests and elders persuaded the multitude that they should ask Barabbas, and destroy Jesus.

21The governor answered and said unto them, Whether of the twain will ye that I release unto you? They said, Barabbas.

22Pilate saith unto them, What shall I do then with Jesus which is called Christ? They all say unto him, Let him be crucified.

23And the governor said, Why, what evil hath he done? But they cried out the more, saying, Let him be crucified.

24When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.

25Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.

--Mat 27

I disagree, the sinners sat with him, Pilate is a poor example, He even agreed He done nothing worthy of death. He might have handed him over to their will but it wasnt his will, he just went along with the crowd,

Yes, during his ministry, the common people loved him.  The week before his death they were singing Hosannah at his entrance to Jerusalem.  But, they were easily swayed by their leaders when Pilate agreed to let the crowd decide which prisoner to release.  The crowd decided to release Barabbus and kill Jesus.  It was the crowd who made the final decision.   As to the psychology of it, it seems more a comment on the mob mentality of sheep, and the bloodthirstiness of mobs.

Pilate was trying to find a way to release him, and he thought that the passover ritual of releasing one prisoner to the crowd would work, because he knew Jesus was innocent of any wrongdoing.  Plus Pilate's wife had had a dream about Jesus and was pressuring him to release him.

[Mickiel]

Another reason the world hates Jesus, is because God the Father has not pumped this world full of Love. Actually then God is one reason this world hates Jesus, because he has locked this world into a mentality that is not indusive to Christ Love.

And I think this to be the most powerful reason that the world hates Jesus, a serious lack of Gods Spirit to instill the Love. Conversely, this is one of the reasons I personally believe in the Salvation of All. If all were locked into this existence, then all deserve to be unlocked into Salvation.

Peace.

[Molly]

One of the most profound reasons that the world hates Jesus, is that he " Allows so much sin and Evil." And I think this to be one of the more popular reasons that the world hates Jesus. They figure, and rightly so, that if there was or is a Jesus, that he must have the Power to change all of this, but he has not.

So they hate that.

Peace.

You mean the world is the good guys and Jesus is the bad guy?  You mean like a bad God?

[Molly]

The common folks sealed his death warrant.  Pilate wanted to release him.



20But the chief priests and elders persuaded the multitude that they should ask Barabbas, and destroy Jesus.

21The governor answered and said unto them, Whether of the twain will ye that I release unto you? They said, Barabbas.

22Pilate saith unto them, What shall I do then with Jesus which is called Christ? They all say unto him, Let him be crucified.

23And the governor said, Why, what evil hath he done? But they cried out the more, saying, Let him be crucified.

24When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.

25Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.

--Mat 27

I disagree, the sinners sat with him, Pilate is a poor example, He even agreed He done nothing worthy of death. He might have handed him over to their will but it wasnt his will, he just went along with the crowd,

Yes, during his ministry, the common people loved him.

Glad you agree then

I never said I didn't.  But, obviously being loved by the common people didn't count for much since it was they who sealed his death warrant.

[Mickiel]

Another reason Jesus is hated, or any savior would be hated, is because he didnot remove the government of oppressors. It does not matter how much the people Love you personally, if you cannot remove them from oppression, eventually that Love will turn into hate in many of them.

Peace.

[Molly]

Another reason Jesus is hated, or any savior would be hated, is because he didnot remove the government of oppressors. It does not matter how much the people Love you personally, if you cannot remove them from oppression, eventually that Love will turn into hate in many of them.

Peace.

And, they themselves have nothing to do with the government of oppressors?

[Mickiel]

A more ingrained reason Jesus is hated, is because of what he stood for. Because , you know, the world seriously lacks the things Jesus stood for. He stood for Love and Peace, patience and forgiveness, Goodness and mercy, and salvation to all of mankind. In order to Love Jesus, the world would NEED those qualitys, or they will just naturally ( or carnally) hate Jesus. So I begin to see a most interesting thing developing about the worlds hate for Jesus. God has more to do with it than most would understand.

And I want to get into that.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

God is an awesome incredible Power, no doubt there. He is truly unique and magnanamous. Frightens me a little,  to at times consider him. I have gone into deep meditation, considering him, but always get to a point that I just back off in fear. I just can't go further, too scared to go on. Afraid of what might be there.

God intimidates me, no question about that. He is the greatest Power that I know of, that I don't know. Rather impersonal and discreet, Jesus is just about the same way. These are more reasons that the world hates them. The world thinks their sitting there just doing nothing about our existence.

If the world had Patience, it could learn to Love God in his absence.

But understand this about the fruits of the Spirit in Galations 5:22-23, every fruit listed, requires that you have those fruits in order to understand those things in fullness. Remember that. It takes Love in you, to fully understand Love outside of you. Goodness must be in you to fully comprehend Goodness outside of you. And so on with all of the fruits.

The world has been denied all of these fruits, so they cannot Love God or Christ. This is the major reason the world hates Jesus.  And I want to get into that.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

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The world has been denied all of these fruits, so they cannot Love God or Christ. This is the major reason the world hates Jesus.  And I want to get into that.

Peace.
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Those of you who study Universal Salvation, this is one of its most credible truths for your mind to consider. The world has been denied all of the fruits of the Spirit, so how can God judge a world like this, based on his Spirit? God judges according to his Spirit. He judges in righteousness, goodness, Love and self control. He examines all things based on Joy and Peace, he interpits things based on Gentleness and Patience. IF what he is judging has NONE of these qualitys, what is there to judge? And if they NEVER had these qualitys, why is he judging them?

There is ingrained hatred in the world because of this.

And I want to get into that.

Peace.

[peacemaker]

"Every Journey begins with a first step, and every step is it's own journey."

Therefore, Be ye patient before ye become one!

1: bearing pains or trials calmly or without complaint.
2: manifesting forbearance under provocation or strain.
3: not hasty or impetuous.
4: steadfast despite opposition, difficulty, or adversity.
5: willing to bear with others.

And remember: "LOVE NEVER FAILS."

peacemaker

[Raggedy Anne]

Mickiel,

Happy new year.  How timely your thread is for me.   I won't go into specifics about it now, but I sure can relate to this thread big time.

So glad to come here and find you are still posting here.

with love,
Anne

[Mickiel]

Mickiel,

Happy new year.  How timely your thread is for me.   I won't go into specifics about it now, but I sure can relate to this thread big time.

So glad to come here and find you are still posting here.

with love,
Anne

Greetings Anne,
Its been a while, good to see you are here also.

Another reason the World hates Christ, is because he is the Living Word of God. Because he is Truth, and people just hate the truth. In John 17:14, again Jesus;" I have given them thy word and the World has Hated them, because they are not of this World, even as I am not of this World. Thus another reason the World Hates Christ, because he is not of this World.

Its like hating someone because they are from another planet. You hate them because really they are not like you. Humans can hate each other simply because they are different from each other. Different colors, different races and different cultures. Be different, and be hated. Much of this World hates God because they sense he must be different than us if he exist. This is ingrained hatred, hate that comes from the very heart and soul of humanity.

From this hate , humans will try to fight God in the future, its why satan will find it easy to seduce humanity one last time in the comming ages of change.

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

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From this hate , humans will try to fight God in the future, its why satan will find it easy to seduce humanity one last time in the comming ages of change.

And I want to go into that.

Peace.
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In Revelations 20:7-9, the 1000 year period of a Kingdom Age is at its end, satan is loosed and he gathers an incredible amount of humans, the number of them is like the sand of the seashore. And he easily deceives them into fighting against God. You ever wonder why? How can satan so quickly get away with this? After so long of a period of Peace and Gods rule?

Well one reason is deeply rooted hate that festers still inside of humans. Hate that really didnot go away, but was just waiting for the right moment to explode. He didnot get these humans from the camp of the Saints, but from the general populus of the Kingdom. Something had to have already been within these humans for satan to be  suscessful in getting them to obey him. I think its deeply rooted hate for God and Christ. Hate that was never really removed by God, who again shows his great patience here, because we already know he must have knew about this. There has never been a rebellion that God didnot foreknew. So there is a lesson here that God is teaching. A lesson about human hatred.

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

In Psalms 139:21, David writes;" Do I not Hate those who Hate thee O Lord? Who rise up against thee? I Hate them with the utmost Hatred." Because of Hatred humans rise up against God. They are enemys of God. Betraying their own maker, who is far more powerful than them all combined. Many people Hate God, and this is why they need God to be, just as merciful and Loving as he really is, because only Love counters Hatred.

And this is the " Other" that God is showing. The Evil, which stands oppisite of the Good, again , the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.

1John 3:13;" Do not be tripped out, brethren, if the World Hates you." Don't let this blow your mind, hatred is  very real. Everyone who Hates is a potential murderer, vs.15, from this state of mind, there is no evil that is not possible. This is the constant condition of satans mind, and not only him, but all demons. They hate God, which is why they go after believers so hard. Yet David hates those who hate God, because there is a time to Hate, Eccl. 3:8, and a time to Love as well. It is the Love of God that is planned on dealing ultimately with Hate.

And I think the creation of humanity, IS Gods way of ultimately dealing with Hate. Yes I said that, WE are the componants that God created to eventually destroy Hate. And I want you to consider this as I go into this most interesting opportunity for you to learn something of intrest.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

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And I think the creation of humanity, IS Gods way of ultimately dealing with Hate. Yes I said that, WE are the componants that God created to eventually destroy Hate. And I want you to consider this as I go into this most interesting opportunity for you to learn something of intrest.

Peace.
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I think it would be easy for a believer to accept that God multitask's in many of his doings. Not only duality, but multi reasonant levels will come out of just one thing that he does. Just Life itself is I think the most Powerful creation of God. At times I almost think that God didnot " Create humanity" like he did Angels, but its more of a " Birth", but its confusing, because the actual first stage was a creation of a man and woman, and then they birthed the " Birth Chain of all of humanity", which will later be Born again into Gods Kingdom. So even our human conception was and is a multi task leveled thing.

One of the reasons God created humanity, was to develop and destroy the concept of Evil. With the creation of Man, God will introduce Evil, sin and all things against his Goodness, expose them, and ultimately destroy them. And this is just one reason we were created. And right now we cannot be seperated from that reason. The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil is why the Wheat cannot be seperated from the Tare.

And these both growing together, is just another reason the World hates Jesus.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

Why would the world hate Jesus, well because of the Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil, or the growth of Love and Hate. The building influence of Love and Hate, or the Tree. The Tree is the influence of Love and Hate, remember that.

Genesis 2:9;" And out of the ground the Lord CAUSED to GROW every tree, including the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil." God Caused, meaning he wanted to produce an effect. Cause, that from which anything proceeds or the orgin. The " Motive". Gods Motive in creating Good and Evil, or Love and Hate, is that he intended for them both to grow and produce the effect that we now see. So one reason the world Hates Jesus, is because of Gods orginal Motive. And this is what proceeded from the garden of Eden, its why Adam failed. Its why Eve did what she did.

And I want to dig deeper into that.

Peace.