Are Mediums Evil?

[DeeDee]

the thing is, like I said in my first post in this thread, I would say that most of what mediums talk about comes from their own misused brain.

:thumbsup: you see now that makes more sense. People too often for my liking try and call everything "demons" when lots of times that has absolutely nothing to do with it. Like when I was younger I had a very weird far off related "aunt" (more like a 3rd aunt if you get such a thing) anyhow she decided that I have demons and worship satan just because I sometimes used to wear black clothes. As in black skirt with a black polo neck. Can you imagine. Oh yes and I think I had a black handbag  :wacko2: :wacko2:

[martincisneros]

Two reasons for a demon to allegedly mention the gospel during a reading of some type would be to draw attention to itself and to cause doubts on the part of people that know that those are demons as far as what the gospel is and it's origins.  There was a demonized fortune teller in the book of Acts that followed around Paul and his ministry team for a few days screaming that these were servants of the Most High that have come to show you the way of salvation.  St. Paul finally became annoyed enough to cast it out, but there in the book of Acts is an example of a spirit either mocking or drawing attention to itself, or trying to bring doubt on the origins of the Gospel for those that knew that those were demons.  Also, often when Jesus would cast out demons, do you remember where the Bible says that He wouldn't allow them to speak because they knew He was Christ?

[DeeDee]

Two reasons for a demon to allegedly mention the gospel during a reading of some type would be to draw attention to itself and to cause doubts on the part of people that know that those are demons as far as what the gospel is and it's origins.  There was a demonized fortune teller in the book of Acts that followed around Paul and his ministry team for a few days screaming that these were servants of the Most High that have come to show you the way of salvation.  St. Paul finally became annoyed enough to cast it out, but there in the book of Acts is an example of a spirit either mocking or drawing attention to itself, or trying to bring doubt on the origins of the Gospel for those that knew that those were demons.  Also, often when Jesus would cast out demons, do you remember where the Bible says that He wouldn't allow them to speak because they knew He was Christ?

So you think its possible that demons would talk of things like everyone will go to Heaven eventually, through a medium, just to try and deceive? Pls give me the passage that the last thing you mentioned is in. See I am not sure if demons are capable of deceiving people with truth. In other words will demons ever talk the truth?  :dontknow:

[Molly]

11 God was performing extraordinary miracles by Paul's hands, 12 so that even facecloths or work aprons  that had touched his skin were brought to the sick, and the diseases left them, and the evil spirits came out of them.

   13 Then some of the itinerant Jewish exorcists attempted to pronounce the name of the Lord Jesus over those who had evil spirits, saying, "I command you by the Jesus whom Paul preaches!"  14 Seven sons of Sceva, a Jewish chief priest, were doing this. 15 The evil spirit answered them, "Jesus I know, and Paul I recognize—but who are you?" 16 Then the man who had the evil spirit leaped on them, overpowered them all, and prevailed against them, so that they ran out of that house naked and wounded. 17 This became known to everyone who lived in Ephesus, both Jews and Greeks. Then fear fell on all of them, and the name of the Lord Jesus was magnified.  18 And many who had become believers came confessing and disclosing their practices, 19 while many of those who had practiced magic collected their books and burned them in front of everyone. So they calculated their value, and found it to be 50,000 pieces of silver. 20 In this way the Lord's message flourished and prevailed.

  --Acts 19

[Molly]

Two reasons for a demon to allegedly mention the gospel during a reading of some type would be to draw attention to itself and to cause doubts on the part of people that know that those are demons as far as what the gospel is and it's origins.  There was a demonized fortune teller in the book of Acts that followed around Paul and his ministry team for a few days screaming that these were servants of the Most High that have come to show you the way of salvation.  St. Paul finally became annoyed enough to cast it out, but there in the book of Acts is an example of a spirit either mocking or drawing attention to itself, or trying to bring doubt on the origins of the Gospel for those that knew that those were demons.  Also, often when Jesus would cast out demons, do you remember where the Bible says that He wouldn't allow them to speak because they knew He was Christ?

So you think its possible that demons would talk of things like everyone will go to Heaven eventually, through a medium, just to try and deceive? Pls give me the passage that the last thing you mentioned is in. See I am not sure if demons are capable of deceiving people with truth. In other words will demons ever talk the truth?  :dontknow:

16 Once, as we were on our way to prayer, a slave girl met us who had a spirit of prediction  and made a large profit for her owners by fortune-telling. 17 As she followed Paul and us she cried out, "These men are the slaves of the Most High God, who are proclaiming to you  the way of salvation." 18 And she did this for many days.
    But Paul was greatly aggravated, and turning to the spirit, said, "I command you in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her!" And it came out right away.

    19 When her owners saw that their hope of profit was gone, they seized Paul and Silas  and dragged them into the marketplace to the authorities. 20 And bringing them before the chief magistrates, they said, "These men are seriously disturbing our city. They are Jews, 21 and are promoting customs that are not legal for us as Romans to adopt or practice."

    22 Then the mob joined in the attack against them, and the chief magistrates stripped off their clothes and ordered them to be beaten with rods.  23 After they had inflicted many blows on them, they threw them in jail, ordering the jailer to keep them securely guarded. 24 Receiving such an order, he put them into the inner prison and secured their feet in the stocks.

--Acts 16

[martincisneros]

Mark 1:34: And he healed many that were sick of divers diseases, and cast out many devils; and suffered not the devils to speak, because they knew him.

Luke 4:41: And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking them suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ.

If they can create a doubt in people's minds, even with the truth, then people will continue in their doubts rather than in the truth.  And if they continue in their doubts rather than continuing in the truth, then they'll not be made free in this life.  It says in 1Corinthians 14:33: For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace...

A demon speaks oppression in what they speak.  If they can bring their confusion and oppression into a person's life even by playing angel's advocate, then they consider themselves to have done their bad deed for the day.  One of the ways of deceiving with truth is to give you 10% to 90% truth and then to slip in their poison along with it.  Many people have been poisoned throughout history because they didn't taste the poison in something that tasted so good that their would be assassin had prepared for them.

As to your observation of the testimonies of communicating with the dead seeming to align with UR, that's not necessarily the case because even if one person were claiming that they themselves were in heaven, inspite of having lived a questionable life, that's not an automatic affirmation that absolutely all have and all will enter into heaven.  A few years ago I was paying attention to John Edward's television program where he communicated with the dead.  Many stories that some would take to be of light and love and of people being in heaven, but I've never heard a single one of those that ever indicated that all eventually go there, and there was never one time a mention of Christ Jesus and His ransoming work in the behalf of all of Creation.  In fact, few of the stories ever even claimed much about being in heaven.  They usually claimed that they were still with their loved ones. 

The cases that aren't mental issues are honestly just, for the most part, demons that are trying to get a deeper hold on the person that they're messing with by claiming to be someone's relative, long lost love, etc.  Those demons aren't there to disciple people in the Gospel, they're there to get the people to lower their guard even further so that they can bring in greater destruction than they'd otherwise be able to produce in their lives.  But almost all of them know the Apostle's Creed and can quote Scripture if that's what it takes to be allowed in further to blind further and to lead away from God's protection and provision for this life.  They'll sing "Joy to the World" with you, if it means a chance of getting further embedded as a parasite in a family so that they can lead generation after generation into further deception and destruction.  They'll be very patient with a generation or two of Christians in a family, and tell them what they want to hear, if they can turn the grandkids into atheists, prostitutes, witches, additional psychic mediums to bring further disasters into the coming generations, etc.

The New Testament test for spirits is to make them confess the Lordship of Jesus, His being the Anointed and the Son of God, and His having come in the flesh, both in His birth and in His resurrection, according to Paul and John.  If they can't be brought to do that, then they're not of God, and they're not likely aunt or uncle so and so that's in Paradise sitting across the table from Christ.

For an additional Scripture or two on demons using truth to try and deceive, do you remember when Jesus was tempted during His 40 day fast and the demon involved had the ability to quote Scripture, but not the ability to put it in it's true light and setting in line with the heart of the Father?  Jesus argued him to a stand still [with quoting the Word] and that spirit didn't bother Him again for 3 months.

[DeeDee]

Thanks Martin, I understand all this much better now.  :thumbsup:

[Kevin]

They are just 'tickling' the ears of any who are willing to listen.
A pretense, I put "Battle Field" under the poetry section,

Kevin

Another quick thought on all of this. If it is demons that are tricking people during a mediums "channeling", why would they trick us into thinking that eternal hell does not exist? Why would they do this unless they know it does exist and they are trying to trick people into thinking it does'nt. Just a thought.

Dee

[DeeDee]

Yes, you know I think Martin made it so clear to me and I have been able to think about it more clearly. The way I see it now is that demons can basically do anything they want to trick people into thinking they are "good" - then once they have the people fooled they slip in their little tricks. They try and make people not realise the importance of God and Jesus in their lives - they want people to go thru the period of cleansing that awaits us, only they try and deceive us to make our punishments longer. They probably are still trying to make God decide to give up on us completely. It probably angers them immensely that we will oneday all be saved and be out of their clutches.

Blessings
DeeDee

[Sarah]

DeeDee,

I too have seen these shows regarding those who have solved crime, or bring up the dead. I also think of the witch of Endor who brought back Saul. I wonder if it is all 3 things; a trickster, a person conversing with evil spirits, and/or someone who has the ability to speak to the dead. Perhaps the word warns us not to consult mediums because it is really impossible to tell which of three may present itself to you.

[reFORMer]

I've had dreams from the Lord that involved telling the police.  I had a dream in two parts that one part, involving my neighbor, proved to be true.  I told her what I saw and she became very emotional and took me with her to the bank so she could withdraw some money for food because they were denying her access to her own money.  I possibly wouldn't've gone to the police if it hadn't been that the part of the dream about the lady next door was true.  It wasn't easy for me anyway, though the police were good about it.  It proved also to be true..  There is a detective that is a Roman Catholic that gets help from the Lord to solve crimes and the statistics are proof something way beyond the ordinary is at work.  I see no reason why people who love God shouldn't have help from God, miraculous if necessary, to defeat the powers of darkness.

Those who claim spirits of the dead or a "familiar" spirit helps them probably are working with the wrong side.  That doesn't mean the Spirit of God in us wouldn't help us to know secrets that help good and hinder bad.  Elijah, by the Spirit of God, knew what the leaders of the army coming against Israel plotted in their bedrooms.

[jabcat]

I once heard of a midget soothsayer who was on the run from the law.

The local newspaper read:

Small medium at large.

:laugh2:.  You are bad :)

[DeeDee]

I've had dreams from the Lord that involved telling the police.  I had a dream in two parts that one part, involving my neighbor, proved to be true.  I told her what I saw and she became very emotional and took me with her to the bank so she could withdraw some money for food because they were denying her access to her own money.  I possibly wouldn't've gone to the police if it hadn't been that the part of the dream about the lady next door was true.  It wasn't easy for me anyway, though the police were good about it.  It proved also to be true..  There is a detective that is a Roman Catholic that gets help from the Lord to solve crimes and the statistics are proof something way beyond the ordinary is at work.  I see no reason why people who love God shouldn't have help from God, miraculous if necessary, to defeat the powers of darkness.

Those who claim spirits of the dead or a "familiar" spirit helps them probably are working with the wrong side.  That doesn't mean the Spirit of God in us wouldn't help us to know secrets that help good and hinder bad.  Elijah, by the Spirit of God, knew what the leaders of the army coming against Israel plotted in their bedrooms.

You see that is just it, we are living in the hardest of times I think. Half the world is proclaiming Hell is real and eternal and the other half it proclaiming its not real, the church invented it, its a translation error etc. People are having heaven NDE's and Hell ones. People are going to hell for 23 minutes and people are going to heaven. Psychics and mediums are seeing good things and they are seeing bad things. It's the hardest of times because it is the most confusing of times. We don't know what to believe or what we are allowed to believe. Is something we read about or see good? Or is it evil? Does the bible condemn it or not. It goes on and on and on. These are tough questions that I doubt we will ever be able to answer. Unless we die and come back after twenty three minues  :dontknow:

[ChuckK3]

I find that psychics, mediums, witches, practitioners of magic, and others of that ilk as nothing more than a bunch of phonies.  I lump them right up there with TV evangelists who claim to be faith healers.

Houdini proved that mediums are fake.  Houdini promised to make an appearance before the whole world shortly after his death if communication with the dead was possible, and he would have done so without the need for chanting and sitting in a circle in a dark room.  So far, almost a century later, Houdini has yet to make his appearance.

The magician duo of Penn and Teller are sorta modern day Houdinis.  They have debunked a lot of the phoniness that goes on with these practitioners.   Of course in ancient times, magicians, and even ventriloquists, were said to be in league with the devil.  Today, both magic and its cousin ventriloquism are merely theatrical/entertainment talents, but in ancient times they were both used to deceive and convince people that they were in league with God, when in reality they were self serving charlatans.  The magic was made to give the appearance of miracles, and the ventriloquism was used to make idols "speak", giving unsuspecting people the impression that God does speak through idols.

As far as that medium that DeeDee mentioned that cannot be disproved, that comes as no shock.  Most magicians who are merely entertainers are such in which their secrets are also baffling.  Therefore if a person with such a talent claims to have supernatural powers, it would be hard for the average layman to debunk.

Chuck

[fire walker]

Then there are those that did much good and not for money or fame who were condemned by most all mainline church
denominations as being soothsayers, fortune tellers, carnival freaks and such labels to describe the person as evil.

Edgar Cayce was one of these.
Jean Dixon was another

And don't forget what the church did to Galileo just because he defied church authority, sometimes I wonder if the real demons aren't the ones at work in these various mislead churches transforming into ahgels of light when they go off on one of their condemnation "witch hunts", or during the Mc Carthy years "communist hunting"( there are communists lurking around every corner) or today when they go "terrorist hunting" (there are terrorists lurking in every shadow) all of this hatefulness, pointing fingers, casting stones, and condemnation carried out at the hands of some of these churches if these are not the spirit of the pharisee living and at work today? because none of these activities mentioned in this paragraph either politicaly promoted by these churches or carried out by any of these churches are of Christ. They pit one lone individual at a time against the system and tear them apart, well, I guess devide and conquer and deceive is how the spirit of darkness seems to do most of his work.

Fire Walker

[alihaymeg]

Acts 16:16 makes it pretty clear that evil spirits are not only a source of this phenomenon, but that they can and do tell the truth as well. The slave girl (that made a lot of money for her masters by fortune telling) recognized the truth of Paul's message and followed them saying that they were messengers of God and were telling the truth about Jesus. That was the truth.

Even Lucifer Himself quoted scripture to Jesus during His temptation in the wilderness. It is often scripture that is twisted that becomes the lie.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Here's how you know. Test the spirits. On the day of Pentecost, the Spirit glorified the mighty works of God. Principle: the spirit always exalts the one who sent it. Apply this principle to anything you want and see if it does not point you in the right direction.

And BTW, those psychics, mediums, ect. that mouth words about God, that does not count as exalting God, because they are disobedient in their actions in the first place, and dishonoring Him does not exalt Him. Exalting Him is pointing people to Him, ie. His works/His nature/His Word/His Son, ect.; magnifying Him, not their so-called "gift", not their anything, but HIM. Blessings....

[Taffy]

Exalting Him is pointing people to Him, ie. His works/His nature/His Word/His Son, ect.; magnifying Him, not their so-called "gift", not their anything, but HIM. Blessings

:thumbsup: