Chronology of satan.

[jabcat]

Hi rose, yes--Romans 8 is the answer to Romans 7.  People stop reading too soon.

1Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because  through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death. 

We have been set free from the sin nature by Christ and can now live according to the Spirit.

So satan is totally vanquished.

AMEN! Jabcat !  you got it 
it is the beastly nature  that sits on the throne It is done. [/b]

it is an inward working to me bro! 
 

:Peace2: Yes.  So again, specifically what do you think is our own lusts?  My thought is that we can't actually create this, but it's more a result of the satan-influenced beast on its throne, prior to our being able to walk in the spirit.  We are still accountable for that, and it needs repented of...not saying otherwise, just more so trying to understand the workings of it, as are you, Rosered.  Does that ring true to you?  God's blessing, James.

[Craig]

Because you are dealing with human minds, not inanimate objects. We still battle daily against the principalities and wickedness in the high places of our minds. When we are in complete harmony with God, God is already reconciled us to him, and Paul said in tears, we must also be reconciled with God.

[Molly]

How many times does this need to be addressed.

A tear in the flesh is called a cut, when the flesh is healed, the cut is no more.
A hole in the ground is called a pit, when the hole is filled in, the pit is no more.
Satan is not a being, he is a spirit. That spirit is called adversary. When there is harmony, Satan is no more.

  what would cause this waring in Pauls members  Craig ?  though in Pauls mind he was serving   the Law of Christ /Life?   thanks  , this is  not so easy for me to  understand  , his mortal body was death he confesses this , but it that waring within himself that has me perplexed?

I think maybe Craig is saying that when we are healed, there is no more internal warring, and, if there is harmony within, there is no more satan.  Jesus said, [Satan] "hath nothing in me." [Jon 14]

[rosered]

Because you are dealing with human minds, not inanimate objects. We still battle daily against the principalities and wickedness in the high places of our minds. When we are in complete harmony with God, God is already reconciled us to him, and Paul said in tears, we must also be reconciled with God.

So we are deceived by our own hearts/minds ? we are saved but do not accept Gods grace to be saved ? is that what you are saying Craig ? I dont understand this fully  yet  :mblush:

[Craig]

There are various types of salvation, not everyone experiences them. This is not a good place to talk about it, because we have extremist views which will confuse the issue by their misunderstandings.

[rosered]

Jabcat wrote ;

Yes.  So again, specifically what do you think is our own lusts?  My thought is that we can't actually create this, but it's more a result of the satan-influenced beast on its throne, prior to our being able to walk in the spirit.  We are still accountable for that, and it needs repented of...not saying otherwise, just more so trying to understand the workings of it, as are you, Rosered.  Does that ring true to you?  God's blessing, James.

 Yes it does ring true , I am not convinced in my mind that I am free of sin in my life  bro  , and if its lusts/ desires to  have my way in things i have no right to have ?  
 for instance  having power over /overcoming  anger , or food or anything that gets me in a place of  defeat  /loosing ground  and pleasing God  

  to be perfect is complete in God  can we have this in this life ?  and in a mortal body ?  when the Spirit wars so much against being mortal
  there are times when  in the Spirit of God there is peace but it does not  stay continually   , it is more of a in and out  type thing to me anyways , but I know I am not perfect yet ! lol ...  Paul knew he was not either but that some were ,,,,humm ?  I dont know bro.......

[rosered]

There are various types of salvation, not everyone experiences them. This is not a good place to talk about it, because we have extremist views which will confuse the issue by their misunderstandings.

  Ok , thanks bro , I know that the dividing of the soul and Spirit does cause unrest  , and that may  be very well  what is happening to me
and why I cannot really feel   complete  all the time
  I dont want to start a war in words   hee hee  :winkgrin:

[rosered]

How many times does this need to be addressed.

A tear in the flesh is called a cut, when the flesh is healed, the cut is no more.
A hole in the ground is called a pit, when the hole is filled in, the pit is no more.
Satan is not a being, he is a spirit. That spirit is called adversary. When there is harmony, Satan is no more.

  what would cause this waring in Pauls members  Craig ?  though in Pauls mind he was serving   the Law of Christ /Life?   thanks  , this is  not so easy for me to  understand  , his mortal body was death he confesses this , but it that waring within himself that has me perplexed?

I think maybe Craig is saying that when we are healed, there is no more internal warring, and, if there is harmony within, there is no more satan.  Jesus said, [Satan] "hath nothing in me." [Jon 14]

Yes Molly  ,  I believe it is to that effect  Hon , but  for me it is not a continual  victory   sis , I have times of refreshing and down right times of utter defeat  in my life , I dont always understand  Gods will  in my life  or anyones  for that matter   there seems to be alot suffering because of sin / error   but how in the  world do you stay clean all the time??   my faith in God  does not always work to my dismay  :sigh:

[jabcat]

quote author=rosered ----  Yes Molly  ,  I believe it is to that effect  Hon , but  for me it is not a continual  victory   sis , I have times of refreshing and down right times of utter defeat  in my life , I dont always understand  Gods will  in my life  or anyones  for that matter   there seems to be alot suffering because of sin / error   but how in the  world do you stay clean all the time??   my faith in God  does not always work to my dismay".
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I agree Rosered.  I certainly see growth, but to be totally free of sin in this life?  Now, it may be that it's no longer "held against us" as we might think due to the actual sin debt being "paid in full" by Jesus.. and Paul said "it's no longer I that sin, but the sin that dwells in me"...however, he also talked about PLENTY of internal struggles he had, that he constantly did what he didn't want, and vice versa.  Was it John that said if we say we have no sin, we lie?  And Paul that said "take heed when you think you stand lest you fall"?  Don't you think God "finishing that work in us" doesn't finally, completely occur until after the actual physical death of this flesh?  God's blessing, James.

[rosered]

quote author=rosered ----  Yes Molly  ,  I believe it is to that effect  Hon , but  for me it is not a continual  victory   sis , I have times of refreshing and down right times of utter defeat  in my life , I dont always understand  Gods will  in my life  or anyones  for that matter   there seems to be alot suffering because of sin / error   but how in the  world do you stay clean all the time??   my faith in God  does not always work to my dismay".
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I agree Rosered.  I certainly see growth, but to be totally free of sin in this life?  Now, it may be that it's no longer "held against us" as we might think due to the actual sin debt being "paid in full" by Jesus.. and Paul said "it's no longer I that sin, but the sin that dwells in me"...however, he also talked about PLENTY of internal struggles he had, that he constantly did what he didn't want, and vice versa.  Was it John that said if we say we have no sin, we lie?  And Paul that said "take heed when you think you stand lest you fall"?  Don't you think God "finishing that work in us" doesn't finally, completely occur until after the actual physical death of this flesh?  God's blessing, James.

  You Know James that is what I am thinking  bro , it may be a literal death that we are free from this body of death hum ? but the inward man is being delivered all the while  ? 

  John also   speaks of  being perfect without sin and the seed remains  in us
  you might be right ! that we may not be having the sin imputed / held against us any longer '''''   we just GOT to believe this
1Jo 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
1Jo 3:6 Whosoever abides in him sins  not: whosoever sins has not seen him, neither known him.
1Jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of God does  not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.  :HeartThrob: :thumbsup: :icon_flower: :cloud9:

   you encourage me bro greatly ! God bless you

[jabcat]

Great verses, and what a contrast to what I usually see in myself.  But I guess that's the difference between what I see and what God sees and has done in us through His Son, the pure sacrifice.  Righteousness imputed to us, not earned or performed by us.  Then, He lives in and through us, progressively "killing" the flesh...don't you think part of that process is all those times you and I fall, when He picks us up, tells us He is strong, and that His grace is sufficient to cover all our weaknesses and failures...and will eventually fully deliver us :friendstu:.  God's blessing, James.

[Molly]

How many times does this need to be addressed.

A tear in the flesh is called a cut, when the flesh is healed, the cut is no more.
A hole in the ground is called a pit, when the hole is filled in, the pit is no more.
Satan is not a being, he is a spirit. That spirit is called adversary. When there is harmony, Satan is no more.

  what would cause this waring in Pauls members  Craig ?  though in Pauls mind he was serving   the Law of Christ /Life?   thanks  , this is  not so easy for me to  understand  , his mortal body was death he confesses this , but it that waring within himself that has me perplexed?

I think maybe Craig is saying that when we are healed, there is no more internal warring, and, if there is harmony within, there is no more satan.  Jesus said, [Satan] "hath nothing in me." [Jon 14]

Yes Molly  ,  I believe it is to that effect  Hon , but  for me it is not a continual  victory   sis , I have times of refreshing and down right times of utter defeat  in my life , I dont always understand  Gods will  in my life  or anyones  for that matter   there seems to be alot suffering because of sin / error   but how in the  world do you stay clean all the time??   my faith in God  does not always work to my dismay  :sigh:

I don't think we are expected to stay clean all the time.  I am just so greatful for what I have.  If you could have seen what a mess I was before I had a relationship with Christ...So compared to that, well, there is no comparison.  The first Bible verse I didn't understand was, Abraham believed God and it was counted to him for righteousness.  I didn't understand that for years.  It made no sense to me.  Now I know you can't have righteousness without faith and you can't have faith without Christ.  So the very fact that you can believe means you have Christ, and having Christ makes you righteous by definition. 

And, just this year I have learned that perfection is relationship with Him.   He's with you/me and he is faithful to complete what he started, no matter how it might look day to day. :cloud9:

[rosered]

wow Thanks James & Molly 
sometimes I dont see the forrest for the trees ,  to nearsighted
  i reckin'.. 
   wonderful ,we forget about Gods grace and whwere we have been ,  thanks for the reminder Molly!!  you are right about that ,,
  the End is  Christ and we cannot see the end sometimes less  the Lord Gives us a glimpse .....
  James I love  the letters of the Johns 1,2, 3 
here is one I forgot  :bigGrin:

1Jo 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loves not [his] brother abides in death.  Whosoever hates his brother is a murderer: and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.  Hereby perceive we the love [of God], because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down [our] lives for the brethren.

I do love  my brothers and sisters in Christ  :icon_flower:


Molly  this is a verse that came to me last night  while sleeping , I saw this again 

Love is stronger than death in Jesus Christ !!!   and thats the victory!!!
  thinking much better now   :happy3:
God love ya all .. 


  the bride /Church and Bridegroom /Jesus Christ 

6"Put me like a seal over your heart,
         Like a  seal on your arm
         For love is as strong as death,
         Jealousy is as severe as Sheol;
         Its flashes are flashes of fire,
         The very flame of the LORD.
    7"Many waters cannot quench love,
         Nor will rivers overflow it;
         If a man were to give all the riches of his house for love,
         It would be utterly despised."

[DeeDee]

I do love  my brothers and sisters in Christ

As We Love You!


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[Nathan]

What if sin isn't the issue?  In this thread I feel the struggle between spirit and flesh.  The spirit claims I'm sinless . . .I'm righteous . . .but my flesh continues to bring charges against me, challenging me to see my current state in the flesh.  I still sin . .what do you mean you "can't" sin . . .there isn't a day that goes by that . . .fill in the blank . . .

But again, my mind is the master of distraction . . . it constantly derails me from advancing into the things proclaimed by the Word of God . . .  If the Word says I can't sin because the seed of life is in my DNA . .then . .what if what has transpired is . my flesh is not broken from the sin . .but "the power" of sin?  In other words . . . sin is what holds you back from being who you're proclaimed to be.  Your mind convinces you that you're not good enough, you're not right enough, you don't know enough, you'll never measure up . .it puts doubt in you so you won't step out in faith . .because your ego knows that the minute to turn to faith, you've just turned away from your flesh and the control is then given over to the spirit.

So as long as your ego can convince you that sin is always present in you . .which . . . in the flesh it is . . .but in the spirit is where all things are complete.  And as long as you focus on the failure of you . . .you will always be tethered by the carnal things in you instead of fully letting go and let God teach you how to fly.  Leave the tares be.  The message of Truth will be doing the separating at your harvest.  You're only purpose right here and now is . . .focus on letting your wheat grow in your field. 

Gotta go back to work.

[Molly]

What if sin isn't the issue?  In this thread I feel the struggle between spirit and flesh.  The spirit claims I'm sinless . . .I'm righteous . . .but my flesh continues to bring charges against me, challenging me to see my current state in the flesh.  I still sin . .what do you mean you "can't" sin . . .there isn't a day that goes by that . . .fill in the blank . . .

But again, my mind is the master of distraction . . . it constantly derails me from advancing into the things proclaimed by the Word of God . . .  If the Word says I can't sin because the seed of life is in my DNA . .then . .what if what has transpired is . my flesh is not broken from the sin . .but "the power" of sin?  In other words . . . sin is what holds you back from being who you're proclaimed to be.  Your mind convinces you that you're not good enough, you're not right enough, you don't know enough, you'll never measure up . .it puts doubt in you so you won't step out in faith . .because your ego knows that the minute to turn to faith, you've just turned away from your flesh and the control is then given over to the spirit.

So as long as your ego can convince you that sin is always present in you . .which . . . in the flesh it is . . .but in the spirit is where all things are complete.  And as long as you focus on the failure of you . . .you will always be tethered by the carnal things in you instead of fully letting go and let God teach you how to fly.  Leave the tares be.  The message of Truth will be doing the separating at your harvest.  You're only purpose right here and now is . . .focus on letting your wheat grow in your field. 

Gotta go back to work.

Yes.  What does the church focus on?  (not my church but the church)  The sin of man, the death of Jesus.

If I were satan, that's what I would focus Christians on.  It stops them in their tracks.  You sin, Jesus dies, the End.

But, that's not the end.  That is the beginning.  So what is the end?


3And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

--Rev 21

[Kevin]

Ok, I am going to go out on a limb.
Back to the beginning:

Key point:
Since the new Covenant
I do not believe satan has any access or communication with God.
This will not stop him, or his crew, from lying to me, or anyone on the face of this earth.

Great input from the forum:

The question and my options hinge loosely on:
Rev 12:8
And Prevailed not;
neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Rev 12:9
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world:
he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Answer: now this is just my views.
The chronology seems to fit into the time slice between Jesus Baptism with big John B., after the Baptism, and before
Jesus encounter with satan shortly after.

This is a view only. And I can't back it up firmly; barely, loosely with Scripture.

This question or "loose answer" of mine does not affect my Spiritual beliefs of UR, Jesus Christ, God, or The Holy Spirit,
or the common supporting beliefs in the supporting information on "UR-no-Hell", expressed in this Forum, Site.
___________________________________________________________________

Well I could go on, but will go ahead and post this.
I don't get upset by others beliefs or criticism, well-intended or not.

[rosered]

  Kevin wrote ;

Key point:
Since the new Covenant
I do not believe satan has any access or communication with God.
This will not stop him, or his crew, from lying to me, or anyone on the face of this earth.

Great input from the forum:

The question and my options hinge loosely on:
Rev 12:8
And Prevailed not;
neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Rev 12:9
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world:
he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Answer: now this is just my views.
The chronology seems to fit into the time slice between Jesus Baptism with big John B., after the Baptism, and before
Jesus encounter with satan shortly after.

This is a view only. And I can't back it up firmly; barely, loosely with Scripture.

Well remember what Jesus said Kevin ?Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

 

Mat 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent/men  take it by force.

  For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.And if you  will receive [it], this is Elias, which was for to come.He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

it seems satan was cast out of heaven eh ?

and  in Matt 4 when the HOLY SPIRIT  took Jesus to the wildereness
the only thing satan /violent men  could offer Jesus was earthly things ?

[Kevin]

Still working on editing skills.

Answer: now this is just my views.

The chronology seems to fit into the time slice between Jesus Baptism with big John B., after the Baptism, and before Jesus encounter with satan shortly after.
This is a view only. And I can't back it up firmly; barely, loosely with Scripture.

Well remember what Jesus said Kevin ?Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

Mat 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent/men  take it by force.

For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.And if you  will receive [it], this is Elias, which was for to come.He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

it seems satan was cast out of heaven eh ?
and  in Matt 4 when the HOLY SPIRIT  took Jesus to the wildereness
the only thing satan /violent men  could offer Jesus was earthly things ?
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[rosered]

Still working on editing skills.

Answer: now this is just my views.

The chronology seems to fit into the time slice between Jesus Baptism with big John B., after the Baptism, and before Jesus encounter with satan shortly after.
This is a view only. And I can't back it up firmly; barely, loosely with Scripture.

Well remember what Jesus said Kevin ?Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

Mat 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent/men  take it by force.

For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.And if you  will receive [it], this is Elias, which was for to come.He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

it seems satan was cast out of heaven eh ?
and  in Matt 4 when the HOLY SPIRIT  took Jesus to the wildereness
the only thing satan /violent men  could offer Jesus was earthly things ?

[/quote]   me too still working on editing skills 
      What could satan offer Jesus the 3rd time after  twice trying to break him down ? 

8Again, the devil took Him to a very high mountain and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory;
9and he said to Him, "All these things I will give You, if You fall down and worship me."

10Then Jesus said to him, "Go, Satan! For it is written, 'YOU SHALL WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD, AND SERVE HIM ONLY.'"

Dont you find it odd that Jesus  told satan to worship  God and serve him as it is written ? 
  this makes me think in a differnt  way , than the typical   main flow of religion

[Kevin]

What could satan offer Jesus the 3rd time after  twice trying to break him down ? 
10Then Jesus said to him, "Go, Satan! For it is written, 'YOU SHALL WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD, AND SERVE HIM ONLY.'"
Dont you find it odd that Jesus  told satan to worship  God and serve him as it is written ? 
this makes me think in a differnt way, than the typical main flow of religion

ok, here goes.

Regarding: what could satan offer Jesus?
Answer: satan was offering Jesus things of this world that satan believe are in his control, so, I would say there is a chance he, meaning satan would offer Jesus:
Immortality. Partnership with him, satan.

Odd: no.
'You shall worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only'.
I look at it as a statement of fact, for satan, in the future.

Question: you, different flow, basically, what?

Respectfully,
Kevin

[rosered]

ok, here goes.

Regarding: what could satan offer Jesus?
Answer: satan was offering Jesus things of this world that satan believe are in his control, so, I would say there is a chance he, meaning satan would offer Jesus:
Immortality. Partnership with him, satan.

Odd: no.
'You shall worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only'.
I look at it as a statement of fact, for satan, in the future.

Question: you, different flow, basically, what?

Respectfully,
Kevin

    Hi  Kevin ,
  First why did you draw lines though your words Kevin ?

  I believe that the only thing he/adversity /satan could offer Jesus was things of this world he is cast out of heaven   
  the  the Words Jesus Spoke  was  the suffering of violence , was no more, Jesus is here on the scene Now , to judge in righteousness

  thats all I meant 

  and main stream  religion  does not even consider these things 
peace Bro , rose  :cloud9:

[Kevin]

Rose,

Lines through my post, don't know, it was not intentional. That being said,

I agree with your posting on this issue.

I just hope, that I get some feed back on whether or not the forum believes satan has
access to God after the OT? That was the point of the tread.

Respectfully,
Kevin.

[Nathan]

And I'll reiterate from another direction.  The posed question you ask can only be answered once you've addressed who satan is in the first place.  If it is your mind, then you can see this tempting Jesus was experiencing was his own carnality within him which would explain your ponderings about Jesus telling satan to serve God and him alone.  He was taking captive his thoughts.

Once the alignment in him was back in it's rightful place (spirit . . .soul . .then body) the adversary would leave "for a season".  Because that's how our flesh works . . . it's much like the farmers I would watch growing up as a kid . . literally every day they would hop on their dirt-bikes . now quadrunners . .and they'd drive the fence lines of their pastures to check for any weakened areas where the cows may try to get out.  Seasons come and seasons go . . .but if our fences, our spiritual walls are not daily and routinely kept intact, the adversary (it's the original definition for satan) will find the worn down places where he can push his way into our lives.  Our minds must continually be kept in check and never left to their own means.

So, can satan approach God . . .can my mind approach my spirit?  That's the wrestling that goes on within Paul.  His flesh is always trying to regain the authority it lost over his nature once Christ came into the scene.  So yeah, Paul wrestled within himself when it came to doing the right thing, but in the end, he left it in a state of praise . . .not "what a wretched man I am . . ."  But "thanks be to God . . .

Romans 7 in the Message Translation of this passage puts it like this . . .
17-20But I need something more! For if I know the law but still can't keep it, and if the power of sin within me keeps sabotaging my best intentions, I obviously need help! I realize that I don't have what it takes. I can will it, but I can't do it. I decide to do good, but I don't really do it; I decide not to do bad, but then I do it anyway. My decisions, such as they are, don't result in actions. Something has gone wrong deep within me and gets the better of me every time.

21-23It happens so regularly that it's predictable. The moment I decide to do good, sin is there to trip me up. I truly delight in God's commands, but it's pretty obvious that not all of me joins in that delight. Parts of me covertly rebel, and just when I least expect it, they take charge.  24I've tried everything and nothing helps. I'm at the end of my rope. Is there no one who can do anything for me? Isn't that the real question?  25The answer, thank God, is that Jesus Christ can and does. He acted to set things right in this life of contradictions where I want to serve God with all my heart and mind, but am pulled by the influence of sin to do something totally different.

And then . . .a beautiful thing . . .Romans 8:1 is the very next breath that comes from Paul's lips . . . it's a continuation of the thought Paul was sharing out.

1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.  2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

"This is why I say that focusing on sin isn't the answer.  Worrying about blaspheming the Holy Ghost, worrying about what sins lead to death and what ones don't. . . the whole truth is if I am desiring after Christ there is no condemnation for those times when I cave to the flesh.  The fact that there is conviction there, that there is this internal struggle within me, is evidence that Christ truly is in me, otherwise there would be no conviction at all . . . and it doesn't require someone preaching at me that it's time to fly south . . it's an "in"-stinct that God plants in everyone of is and with that, comes redemption.

The direction of this thread is dealing with the literal thinking of an actual evil entity called the devil (traducer) or satan (adversary) when at the same time, we're directed to pursue the realm of the spirit . . . are we in denial by not pursuing the devil talking to God or not?  I hardly think so.  There is no indication in Scripture that I'm to alarm the saints about the "possibilities" that are out there where the enemy is waiting to leap on you and attack you and slaughter you . . ."Oh yes it does. . .satan is as a roaring lion . . "

Again, the lion and satan are still . . .my mind.  When Scripture talks about the lion laying with the lamb . . .that is when there is order restored in me as it was in the beginning.  Lions did not eat flesh when they were first created.  The act of one beast eating another is evidence the curse is still entact in the natural realm of things.  But originally, the lion was as cows are today, it was a grazing animal . .. .the change came when Adam, who was the one who gave the animals their names (natures) when he received the forbidden fruit OF KNOWLEDGE from his Eve, everything he was given dominion over came under the same curse.

My mind is my lion . .my spirit is my lamb.  In Christ, the two can once again come together in harmony because . .therefore, now there is no condemnation for those who are IN Christ who walk after the spirit (lamb) and not the flesh (lion).  The nature of man is like a fire in a sense . .the more you feed it . . the hungrier it gets . .it is never full, it's never satisfied.  The only way to kill a fire is to choke it . . .smother it. . .remove the source of air from it . . .air is a picture of the Spirit.  To kill the devouring nature of our flesh, death to our flesh must occur.  And the ony way that can happen, is through the power of the finished works of the cross.

Can satan (evil spirit being) approach God . . . to me it's irrelevant. 

[Kevin]

Nathan and Forum,
Statement after quote:
Hope it is ok,
I numbered the replies in the quotes, in bold. so that
is me not Nathan.

And I'll reiterate from another direction.  The posed question you ask can only be answered once you've addressed who satan is in the first place. 01. If it is your mind, then you can see this tempting Jesus was experiencing was his own carnality within him which would explain your ponderings about Jesus telling satan to serve God and him alone. 02. He was taking captive his thoughts.

Once the alignment in him was back in it's rightful place (spirit . . .soul . .then body) the adversary would leave 03"for a season".  Because that's how our flesh works . . . it's much like the farmers I would watch growing up as a kid . . literally every day they would hop on their dirt-bikes . now quadrunners . .and they'd drive the fence lines of their pastures to check for any weakened areas where the cows may try to get out.  Seasons come and seasons go . . .but if our fences, our spiritual walls are not daily and routinely kept intact, the adversary (it's the original definition for satan) will find the worn down places where he can push his way into our lives. 04. Our minds must continually be kept in check and never left to their own means.

So, can satan approach God . . .can my mind approach my spirit?  That's the wrestling that goes on within Paul.  His flesh is always trying to regain the authority it lost over his nature once Christ came into the scene.  So yeah, Paul wrestled within himself when it came to doing the right thing, but in the end, he left it in a state of praise . . .not "what a wretched man I am . . ."  But "thanks be to God . . .

Romans 7 in the Message Translation of this passage puts it like this . . .
17-20But I need something more! For if I know the law but still can't keep it, and if the power of sin within me keeps sabotaging my best intentions, I obviously need help! I realize that I don't have what it takes. I can will it, but I can't do it. I decide to do good, but I don't really do it; I decide not to do bad, but then I do it anyway. My decisions, such as they are, don't result in actions. Something has gone wrong deep within me and gets the better of me every time.

21-23It happens so regularly that it's predictable. The moment I decide to do good, sin is there to trip me up. I truly delight in God's commands, but it's pretty obvious that not all of me joins in that delight. Parts of me covertly rebel, and just when I least expect it, they take charge.  24I've tried everything and nothing helps. I'm at the end of my rope. Is there no one who can do anything for me? Isn't that the real question?  25The answer, thank God, is that Jesus Christ can and does. He acted to set things right in this life of contradictions where I want to serve God with all my heart and mind, but am pulled by the influence of sin to do something totally different.

And then . . .a beautiful thing . . .05 Romans 8:1 is the very next breath that comes from Paul's lips . . . it's a continuation of the thought Paul was sharing out.

1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.  2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

"This is why I say that focusing on sin isn't the answer.  Worrying about blaspheming the Holy Ghost, worrying about what sins lead to death and what ones don't. . . the whole truth is if I am desiring after Christ there is no condemnation for those times when I cave to the flesh.  The fact that there is conviction there, that there is this internal struggle within me, is evidence that Christ truly is in me, otherwise there would be no conviction at all . . . and it doesn't require someone preaching at me that it's time to fly south . . it's an "in"-stinct that God plants in everyone of is and with that, comes redemption.

The direction of this thread is dealing with the literal thinking of an actual evil entity called the devil (traducer) or satan (adversary) when at the same time, we're directed to pursue the realm of the spirit . . . are we in denial by not pursuing the devil talking to God or not?  I hardly think so.  There is no indication in Scripture that I'm to alarm the saints about the "possibilities" that are out there where the enemy is waiting to leap on you and attack you and slaughter you . . .OK Kevin. "Oh yes it does. . .satan is as a roaring lion . . "

Again, the lion and satan are still . . .my mind.  When Scripture talks about the lion laying with the lamb . . .that is when there is order restored in me as it was in the beginning.  Lions did not eat flesh when they were first created.  The act of one beast eating another is evidence the curse is still entact in the natural realm of things.  But originally, the lion was as cows are today, it was a grazing animal . .. .the change came when Adam, who was the one who gave the animals their names (natures) when he received the forbidden fruit OF KNOWLEDGE from his Eve, everything he was given dominion over came under the same curse.

My mind is my lion . .my spirit is my lamb.  In Christ, the two can once again come together in harmony because . .therefore, now there is no condemnation for those who are IN Christ who walk after the spirit (lamb) and not the flesh (lion).  The nature of man is like a fire in a sense . .the more you feed it . . the hungrier it gets . .it is never full, it's never satisfied.  The only way to kill a fire is to choke it . . .smother it. . .remove the source of air from it . . .air is a picture of the Spirit.  To kill the devouring nature of our flesh, death to our flesh must occur.  And the ony way that can happen, is through the power of the finished works of the cross.

06. Can satan (evil spirit being) approach God . . . to me it's irrelevant. 

01.. I believe it is in the mind, 1st the spiritual mind, then the carnal mind.
02.  My current spiritual season is reflected in 2nd Cor. 10: 3 - 7.
So I am in agreement.
03. ecl 01, paraphrased " nothing new under the sun.
04. many verses in the OT and NT. I am going to attach a MS Word doc. I wrote in 2004, "The BattleField." I will post this some place else after this reply.
05. R. 7 - 8. lived it, living it. Believe it.
06 A person can look at this as relevant or not.
As I have stated, multiple times in this thread, which is ok,
My believes In God, Jesus Christ, The Holy Spirit, UR, no hell, are not affected by the
answer.
It is just a question, maybe and intellectual question, it is not important to me if I find
and answer, it has not become irrelevant to me because it has never been relevant to my spiritual believes. It is just a question.[?]

Respectfully,
The Wander, no longer lost.
Kevin