The Revealing of Jesus Christ

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satan / adversary  is

 the worldly wisdom  to me  and comes from  the earth  [Red Adam] clay
Jam 3:15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but [is] earthly, sensual, devilish. For where envying and strife [is], there [is] confusion and every evil work.
 what is above  is the  wisdom of God over all  wisdom Jam 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. two covenants

 the lightof  the  moon light and Sun Light

being  knowledge  of God


 we know that the serpents food is DUST ADAMS FLESH  Greek for G3789 ὄφις Transliteration
ophis
Pronunciation

o'-fēs (Key)

Part of Speech
masculine noun

Root Word (Etymology)

probably from G3700 (through the idea of sharpness of vision)

TDNT Reference
5:566,748
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Outline of Biblical Usage 1) snake, serpent

2) with the ancients, the serpent was an emblem of cunning and wisdom. The serpent who deceived Eve was regarded by the Jews as the devil.
its is a wisdom that even Peter tried to tell Jesus not to go to the  cross and Jesus told him  get behind me  satan / adversity  
  that he was mindful of the things of men  the low form of   knowledge /wisdom  beneath   eartly and sensual   devilish  going by feelings  
not by What is Right and true








 

[Molly]

Context can be see that Serpent  applies to the nature of man through the word and root word.

If Satan is just man's nature, then why don't we see him in Genesis 2?

Instead we see Adam walking and talking with God--no problems.

[Paul Hazelwood]

Context can be see that Serpent  applies to the nature of man through the word and root word.

If Satan is just man's nature, then why don't we see him in Genesis 2?

Instead we see Adam walking and talking with God--no problems.

It's how we are,  we can do well with God at times.   That doesn't mean that is not our nature to go against God.  None of us are perfect, and how we define something as bad, worse or horrible is irrevalent.  Until you are perfect you do things that are emnity to God. 


The story of the Serpent is about the depiction of how our Nature works,  it does not prove that it was Satan that came around and deceived.   The word and root and context does not introduce the Serpent as Satan.

Yes, their nature went against God, or it would not have happened in the first place.

How does a wonderful, perfect flawless being get deceieved if it is perfect as we want to usually define it? 

[Molly]

satan / adversary  

Satan is God's adversary.  That's why he opposes the men of God.  If you are in Satan's camp, worshipping him and bowing down to him, he is not opposing you.

And, that's why when Michael is in a dispute with Satan, he says, The Lord rebuke thee.


"In the very same way, these dreamers pollute their own bodies, reject authority and slander celestial beings.  But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not dare to bring a slanderous accusation against him, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!"

--Jude 1

[Molly]

How does a wonderful, perfect flawless being get deceived if it is perfect as we want to usually define it?

Adam wasn't deceived.

[Paul Hazelwood]

How does a wonderful, perfect flawless being get deceived if it is perfect as we want to usually define it?

Adam wasn't deceived.

I will rephrase that if necessary.

Answer the question pertaining to EVE.

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I was thinking more of the left hand [power] bad name in a sense  
to and good name    right hand  in  power authority  
after  studying them  both  I saw that   it can also  be a sense of direction as well   ?

  the  reason I think this Is JESUS TELLING US  THIS  

Mat 12:26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?  
 the scattering  of dust the serpents food ...  Mat 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

Mar 3:26 And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end.  

 Greek for G1188 δεξιός Transliteration
dexios
Pronunciation

de-ksē-o's (Key)

Part of Speech
adjective

Root Word (Etymology)

from G1209

TDNT Reference
2:37,143
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Outline of Biblical Usage 1) the right, the right hand

2) metaph.

a) a place of honour or authority
Greek for G2176 εὐώνυμος Transliteration
euōnymos
Pronunciation

yü-ō'-nü-mos (Key)

Part of Speech
adjective

Root Word (Etymology)

from G2095 and G3686

TDNT Reference
n/a
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Outline of Biblical Usage 1) of good name and of good omen

a) in the latter sense used in taking auguries; but those omens were euphemistically called "euonumos" which in fact were regarded as unlucky, i.e. which came from the left, sinister omens, (for which a good name was desired)

2) left, on the left hand

 and  Jesus tells them  that   not to rejoice that the  they had power over the spirits , but rather their Names were written in Heaven


hope this  helps distinguish  between the two

[Molly]

How does a wonderful, perfect flawless being get deceived if it is perfect as we want to usually define it?

Adam wasn't deceived.

I will rephrase that if necessary.

Answer the question pertaining to EVE.

Eve did not have the Holy Spirit--the breath of God.

[rosered]

  here paul gives an awesome clue to this dilema  the jealousy  [godly ] type to make them chaste VIRGINS /PURE MINDS READY for Christ to come into them

2Cr 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or [if] ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye  have not accepted, ye might well bear with [him].

[Molly]

Yes, she is opened to being corrupted by another spirit.

[Paul Hazelwood]

How does a wonderful, perfect flawless being get deceived if it is perfect as we want to usually define it?

Adam wasn't deceived.

I will rephrase that if necessary.

Answer the question pertaining to EVE.

Eve did not have the Holy Spirit--the breath of God.

Then she was not perfect.


I'm assuming your saying that Adam had the breath of God therefore perfect and flawless.  Yet,  he sinned,  why he sinned is irrevalent to the issue.  He sinned, why did this happen if he was flawless and perfect as is often implied in the traditional explanations?

Adam died because to the WAGES of SIN is DEATH.

What was perfect about ADAM that MADE HIM SIN?   

This still has no bearing on Satan falling from the perfection of being a heavenly flawless being in heaven. 

[Craig]

Scripture states that Adam was not created perfect, but very good. Even then, very good does not mean sinless or with the inability to sin. It is ontologically very good and perfection is also ontologically perfect. In other words, we are considered good and perfect by God, not by our standards in the first place.

[Molly]

He sinned, why did this happen if he was flawless and perfect as is often implied in the traditional explanations?

Because he was God's son, and he did what God would do himself if he saw his loved one dying--give himself to save her.

...the lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

[Paul Hazelwood]

Scripture states that Adam was not created perfect, but very good. Even then, very good does not mean sinless or with the inability to sin. It is ontologically very good and perfection is also ontologically perfect. In other words, we are considered good and perfect by God, not by our standards in the first place.

I agree,  Adam was created perfect for Gods purpose.

[Molly]

Scripture states that Adam was not created perfect, but very good. Even then, very good does not mean sinless or with the inability to sin. It is ontologically very good and perfection is also ontologically perfect. In other words, we are considered good and perfect by God, not by our standards in the first place.

I agree,  Adam was created perfect for Gods purpose.

Adam is the first High Priest on the order of Aaron.

Jesus is a Melchizedek priest.

[Paul Hazelwood]

He sinned, why did this happen if he was flawless and perfect as is often implied in the traditional explanations?

Because he was God's son, and he did what God would do himself if he saw his loved one dying--give himself to save her.

...the lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

How are you using the word perfect here?

God is perfect?   God will sin then?

[rosered]

Yes, she is opened to being corrupted by another spirit.

Yes Molly  ,  a spirit / breath  to respire  respire definition | Dictionary.com
 has the power in the tongue / speech  / language  to  have life or death in it    wrath or  mercy etc ,
 and I see that  the beast  had  the  appearance  of a Lamb , but spoke as a dragon
 has  some signifigance in it as well

[Paul Hazelwood]

He sinned, why did this happen if he was flawless and perfect as is often implied in the traditional explanations?

Because he was God's son, and he did what God would do himself if he saw his loved one dying--give himself to save her.

...the lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Now tie this reasoning to angels who fell.

[Molly]

He sinned, why did this happen if he was flawless and perfect as is often implied in the traditional explanations?

Because he was God's son, and he did what God would do himself if he saw his loved one dying--give himself to save her.

...the lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

How are you using the word perfect here?

God is perfect?   God will sin then?

Behold the Lamb of God, who taketh away the sin of the world.

--John 1:29

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Mat 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. [COMPLETE]for teleios (Strong's G5046) Greek for G5046 τέλειος Transliteration
teleios
Pronunciation

te'-lā-os (Key)

Part of Speech
adjective

Root Word (Etymology)

from G5056

TDNT Reference
8:67,1161
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Outline of Biblical Usage 1) brought to its end, finished

2) wanting nothing necessary to completeness

3) perfect

4) that which is perfect

a) consummate human integrity and virtue

b) of men

1) full grown, adult, of full age, mature
What of this ??

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  well in Adam  all die , In Christ they shall be made ALIVE
  seems Adam was not complete than huh ?    just very good  , not perfect
   thats what I am seeing

[Molly]

Now, tie this reasoning to angels who fell.

The celestial spirits known as angels who fell were fighting against [opposing/adversaries] the angels of God.

It is a spiritual battle.

Satan can never be a son.  He will never be what Adam was by birthright.

[Paul Hazelwood]

He sinned, why did this happen if he was flawless and perfect as is often implied in the traditional explanations?

Because he was God's son, and he did what God would do himself if he saw his loved one dying--give himself to save her.

...the lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

How are you using the word perfect here?

God is perfect?   God will sin then?

Behold the Lamb of God, who taketh away the sin of the world.

--John 1:29

Therefor Adam was not created without the Serpent nature in the first place.   But created perfect for the very purpose of dying so that all could be made alive,  learning righteousness.  

Satan was created perfect for the very purpose that he is.  

[Molly]

He sinned, why did this happen if he was flawless and perfect as is often implied in the traditional explanations?

Because he was God's son, and he did what God would do himself if he saw his loved one dying--give himself to save her.

...the lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

How are you using the word perfect here?

God is perfect?   God will sin then?

Behold the Lamb of God, who taketh away the sin of the world.

--John 1:29

Therefor Adam was not created without the Serpent nature in the first place.   But created perfect for the very purpose of dying so that all could be made alive,  learning righteousness.  

Satan was created perfect for the very purpose that he is.  

I do not believe or agree that Adam had 'the serpent nature.'

Although I'm sure Satan would like to think so, so that he can accuse God by indicting his son.

[Paul Hazelwood]

The celestial spirits known as angels who fell were fighting against the angels of God.

It is a spiritual battle.

Satan can never be a son.  He will never be what Adam was by birthright.

Another problem is that the word along these lines that are traslated to angels is primarily translated to messengers.  Angels imply something that is not in proper context with the whole thing.


A messenger of Satan was not inherantly once holy angel in heaven in union with God.

This subject also rarely if ever see the that there are Heavens not just a one heaven.  So this creation of subjects that turned to fight against God,  goes against the normal thought that they were flawless with God.   There is more to it.