What is Leviathan? Why would God slay Leviathan?

[Peacetroll]

What is the following chapter of Job talking about?  Why would God talk to Job about this entity and say what He said of it?

Job 41
1Canst thou draw out leviathan with an hook? or his tongue with a cord which thou lettest down?

2Canst thou put an hook into his nose? or bore his jaw through with a thorn?

3Will he make many supplications unto thee? will he speak soft words unto thee?

4Will he make a covenant with thee? wilt thou take him for a servant for ever?

5Wilt thou play with him as with a bird? or wilt thou bind him for thy maidens?

6Shall the companions make a banquet of him? shall they part him among the merchants?

7Canst thou fill his skin with barbed irons? or his head with fish spears?

8Lay thine hand upon him, remember the battle, do no more.

9Behold, the hope of him is in vain: shall not one be cast down even at the sight of him?

10None is so fierce that dare stir him up: who then is able to stand before me?

11Who hath prevented me, that I should repay him? whatsoever is under the whole heaven is mine.

12I will not conceal his parts, nor his power, nor his comely proportion.

13Who can discover the face of his garment? or who can come to him with his double bridle?

14Who can open the doors of his face? his teeth are terrible round about.

15His scales are his pride, shut up together as with a close seal.

16One is so near to another, that no air can come between them.

17They are joined one to another, they stick together, that they cannot be sundered.

18By his neesings a light doth shine, and his eyes are like the eyelids of the morning.

19Out of his mouth go burning lamps, and sparks of fire leap out.

20Out of his nostrils goeth smoke, as out of a seething pot or caldron.

21His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth.

22In his neck remaineth strength, and sorrow is turned into joy before him.

23The flakes of his flesh are joined together: they are firm in themselves; they cannot be moved.

24His heart is as firm as a stone; yea, as hard as a piece of the nether millstone.

25When he raiseth up himself, the mighty are afraid: by reason of breakings they purify themselves.

26The sword of him that layeth at him cannot hold: the spear, the dart, nor the habergeon.

27He esteemeth iron as straw, and brass as rotten wood.

28The arrow cannot make him flee: slingstones are turned with him into stubble.

29Darts are counted as stubble: he laugheth at the shaking of a spear.

30Sharp stones are under him: he spreadeth sharp pointed things upon the mire.

31He maketh the deep to boil like a pot: he maketh the sea like a pot of ointment.

32He maketh a path to shine after him; one would think the deep to be hoary.

33Upon earth there is not his like, who is made without fear.

34He beholdeth all high things: he is a king over all the children of pride.

After He said these things of Leviathan, you might think He is talking about a nile croc. But that can't be or the following verse would never have been written.

Isaiah 27
1In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.

[Taffy]

 Bro PT...

  Who is the DEEP sea monster likened to the Serpent , the DRAGON..?..and the Beast, and the False prophet or even the SON of pedition...

WHO only CAN BIND HIS TONGUE...? Draw him out with a HOOK....

, whats the literal take this time about?..


blessings Brother PT

[Peacetroll]

Apparently you'll never know. :dontknow:

[martincisneros]

If we're talking a literal beast of the sea, then in some way that thing had become a burden and a yoke to the people of God (Isaiah 10:27).  If we're talking about something Satanic instead, then obviously God would release His Anointing to bring an ubrupt stop to it's wickedness. 

"The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."  Wages can be earned and gifts can be given at the exact same time, as we often see in many occupations around holiday and anniversary times.  Doesn't invalidate either.  Often the check will suck, but the gift above and beyond can be sweeeet.  All of life is a process of receiving both wages of sin and the gifts of God.

On the beast issue, which I'm not entirely sure couldn't likewise be used equally regarding spirits that are likened to beasts in Scripture, we have Jeremiah 31:27-28 that there was a time for destruction in the past and a future time for building and planting.  The way that particular Scripture is written, it just seems to have been Appointed stuff that had to be gone through regardless -- on both sides of that Scripture; the destruction and the building and planting.

[Molly]

Who is Leviathan?  I'm not sure.  He sounds like satan.



33Upon earth there is not his like, who is made without fear.

34He beholdeth all high things: he is a king over all the children of pride.

--Job 41




Isaiah 27
1In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.




Revelation 9:11

11They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek, Apollyon.

Footnotes:

Revelation 9:11 Abaddon and Apollyon mean Destroyer.




Rev 20

2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

[Peacetroll]

This is Leviathan, but who is this?

Ezekiel 28: 12Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.

13Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

14Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

16By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

17Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

19All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

Again who is the Sword of the Lord?

Ezekiel 21:9Son of man, prophesy, and say, Thus saith the LORD; Say, A sword, a sword is sharpened, and also furbished:

10It is sharpened to make a sore slaughter; it is furbished that it may glitter: should we then make mirth? it contemneth the rod of my son, as every tree.

11And he hath given it to be furbished, that it may be handled: this sword is sharpened, and it is furbished, to give it into the hand of the slayer.

12Cry and howl, son of man: for it shall be upon my people, it shall be upon all the princes of Israel: terrors by reason of the sword shall be upon my people: smite therefore upon thy thigh.

13Because it is a trial, and what if the sword contemn even the rod? it shall be no more, saith the Lord GOD.

If you have ears to hear, hear.

[martincisneros]

As far as I'm concerned, if I can trust my heavenly Father's Heart, then I can trust His slaying.  If it had to be done, then it had to be done.  As long as I know that I'm not Leviathan, no one around me is Leviathan, and no one at these boards is Leviathan, then I'm personally not going to worry about it too much.  If Father felt the need to slay Leviathan, then something obviously couldn't be remedied either in the Creation or in the heavens without the slaughter.

And Peacetroll, can you repeat the particular verse in Ezekiel 28 that says that that description of either Satan or the Adamic nature is Leviathan elsewhere in Scripture?

[reFORMer]

The more carnal understanding is that there in Job, leviathan (maybe behemoth too) is a proof again that certain forms of dinosaurs co-existed with man.

[Craig]

In my opinion, this one was simple. It is speaking of Israel. Particularly, the tribe of Levi of whom Moses was begot and through him the Law.

[joyful1]

I go with the "beast is within" camp on this one...and here is why...

2 Thess 2:4
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Who is willing to oppose and exalt himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped?
...hmmm....that would be me, in my loathing self-worship...

Where is the temple of God? ....
"Know ye not that ye are the temple of God?" Right! and for me...its me...I'm the temple of God....His words, not mine!

What idiot would have to constantly reassure himself/herself that he/she is God? ...duh!....that would be me, telling myself that I am in control of everything and can sail my ship wherever I choose.

So....there you have it in a nutshell.
::::trying to deflect incomming::::

oh yes: and then there is this one:
Ecclesiastes 3:18
I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves ARE BEASTS.

Kind of like the "beasts that were at Ephesus," you see what I mean? Men = beasts.
And of course, Molly, and Taffy, for us; women = beauties...
beauties and the beasts, get it?  :laughing7:

Joyce :)

[Craig]

Read Ecclesiastes again, I think you misunderstood it's message.   :msealed:

[Taffy]

In my opinion, this one was simple. It is speaking of Israel. Particularly, the tribe of Levi of whom Moses was begot and through him the Law.

LOL!...but also Craig ,  being its  connected to LAW, (the deep SEA MONSTER.)...also for mine connects with the OLD C, so im also seeing this to connects to the beast, the false prophet , son of  pedition .crooked serpent and the adversary,


Again for mine ,the two Cs are shown in the WATER beneath and the Waters ABOVE....The flesh of man ( under law lies in the SEA below , hence the connection with Levi- athon and the LAW.

Jhn 8:22  Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come.


Jhn 8:23  And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.


Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness

he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.


Gen 1:6  And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

Gen 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which [were] under the firmament from the waters which [were] above the firmament: and it was so. ..THAT WHICH IS above is called heaven

As He divided DAY from night HE divided the waters...again as always speaks the same message....Speaking of the TWO CS.

we are to come from the waters beneath and walk above it..shown in Math 14:24-39...Christ walking above the water of the deep ,encouraging PETER to do Likewise....TO walk above the waters (in heaven) FAITH is required.


Who can BOUND( his false) tongue etc...

Well thats my take for now

Blessings
T

[Taffy]

Kind of like the "beasts that were at Ephesus," you see what I mean? Men = beasts.
And of course, Molly, and Taffy, for us; women = beauties...
beauties and the beasts, get it

Good connection Joyce :icon_flower:


:laughing7: :laughing7: :laughing7: :laughing7: :laughing7: :laughing7:

[martincisneros]

Kind of like the "beasts that were at Ephesus," you see what I mean? Men = beasts.
And of course, Molly, and Taffy, for us; women = beauties...
beauties and the beasts, get it

That's your opinion and you're free to be wrong.  Why is it always the men that are called the beasts? :bdh:  I can't decide if that's chauvinist or feminist :icon_jokercolor:

:first: As for me and my snowshoe cat, Leonardo, we're BEAUTIES :Peace:


P.S. Even our emoticons agree and favor my interpretation.  Check out this beast :thewife:

[Taffy]

Kind of like the "beasts that were at Ephesus," you see what I mean? Men = beasts.
And of course, Molly, and Taffy, for us; women = beauties...
beauties and the beasts, get it

That's your opinion and you're free to be wrong.  Why is it always the men that are called the beasts? :bdh:  I can't decide if that's chauvinist or feminist :icon_jokercolor:

:first: As for me and my snowshoe cat, Leonardo, we're BEAUTIES :Peace:


P.S. Even our emoticons agree and favor my interpretation.  Check out this beast :thewife:

I dunno Martin ...if some fella came up and said" hey there my beauty, How are you "?..id feel somewhat uncomfortable..ya Know what I mean :Sparkletooth:

[martincisneros]

I dunno Martin ...if some fella came up and said" hey there my beauty, How are you "?..id feel somewhat uncomfortable..ya Know what I mean :Sparkletooth:

Yeah, I know what you mean.  Happened to me a few years ago.  So trust me, I know how uncomfortable that would be :thumbdown:

But it's every man's obligation to know everything about a woman (within reason, I'm not talking about unBiblical standards) before he marries her to make sure he's not thinking of marrying Leviathan.  A real beauty is not when she's got every hair in place and has $100 manicure.  It's when her day's obviously the sinking Titanic and with every reason to be a grouch, she's still the lily of the valley and the rose of sharon!  People are so fake these days, that I don't even like meeting people when they've got it all together.  I like to meet people when everything's going to Hell on a banana peel and they have every reason in the natural, carnal realm to want to choke someone -- 'cause then and then alone is when you find out what people are really like, and not when they're putting on the fashion show.

[Taffy]

......before he marries her to make sure he's not thinking of marrying Leviathan

:laughing7: :laughing7: :laughing7:

[Taffy]

Apparently you'll never know. :dontknow:

you assume to Much Bro PT. :icon_flower:

[joyful1]

P.S. Even our emoticons agree and favor my interpretation.  Check out this beast :thewife:

that's why you could be accused of being the false prophet, Martin--better update your emoticons! (http://dl3.glitter-graphics.net/pub/568/568363v9kx6xu2g5.gif)

[joyful1]

......before he marries her to make sure he's not thinking of marrying Leviathan

:laughing7: :laughing7: :laughing7:

(http://dl3.glitter-graphics.net/pub/568/568363v9kx6xu2g5.gif)

[pneuma]

In my opinion, this one was simple. It is speaking of Israel. Particularly, the tribe of Levi of whom Moses was begot and through him the Law.

LOL!...but also craig ,  beings its  connected to LAW, (the deep SEA MONSTER.)...also for mine connects with the OLD C, so im also seeing this to connects to the beast, the false prophet , son of  pedition .crooked serpent and the adversary,


Again for mine ,the two Cs are shown in the WATER beneath and the Waters ABOVE....The flesh of man ( under law lies in the SEA below , hence the connection with Levi- athon and the LAW.

Jhn 8:22  Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come.


Jhn 8:23  And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.


Gen 1:5 And God called the night Day, and the darkness

he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.


Gen 1:6  And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

Gen 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which [were] under the firmament from the waters which [were] above the firmament: and it was so. ..THAT WHICH IS above is called heaven

As He divided DAY from night he divided the waters...again as always speaks the same message....Speaking of the TWO CS.

we are to come from the waters beneath and walk above it..shown in Math 14:24-39...Christ walking above the water of the deep ,encouraging PETER to do Likewise....TO walk above the waters (in heaven) FAITH is required.


Who can BOUND( his false) tongue etc...

Well thats my take for now

Blessings
T

Amen brother :thumbsup:

[Craig]

What is "LOL" about it?

I just told you what the Leviathan was, the Law was only given to Israel. The Law came through the Levi. Therefore the beast is speaking of the one who uses the Law to deceive many. Jesus called the Pharisee, serpents and sons of serpents. He also called them devils and sons of devils.

[Taffy]

What is "LOL" about it?

I just told you what the Leviathan was, the Law was only given to Israel. The Law came through the Levi. Therefore the beast is speaking of the one who uses the Law to deceive many. Jesus called the Pharisee, serpents and sons of serpents. He also called them devils and sons of devils.

Ya wanna get about abit more Bro.... :icon_flower:

lol,...means I agree Bud, thats all. :icon_flower:

If you dont see nor agree with the corralations that fine,, it seems thus far at least one other can...No worries :icon_flower:

[Craig]

 :boyheart: I see the correlation, though couldn't understand how it was funny or absurd, which usually laughing out loud (LOL) represents, that is all.  :dontknow:

[Taffy]

:boyheart: I see the correlation, though couldn't understand how it was funny or absurd, which usually laughing out loud (LOL) represents, that is all.  :dontknow:

Gee, mes British . language Barrier...I was led to understand it meant to agree....But Understand Laughing out Loud( LOL) makes sence.... :icon_flower: