They lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years

[Taffy]

Hi Molly

been a while since weve chatted...

What is the 'another evil' he is talking about?  Isn't it the futility of life?  Isn't it death, and how death wipes out any meaning in life?  Rich or poor, fecund or barren, wise or fool: all sinks into the obscurity of death.  All go to the same place--the grave.   A stillborn child--a child who has never been born--is better off than the living.  Man's life, even though he live a thousand years twice told, is meaningless.

Every thing UNDER the SON..old c, is pointless for the Flesh profits nothing,..DEATH INDEED awaits us ALL, Tis THE MINISTRY OF DEATH..

God apointes the TIME and the SEASONS...and its more than JUST the weather.

It all depends how one read whats UNDER the SON....That which is BELOW.to that which is above,

For mine scripture speaks a little here and a Little there...

Later Molly..Tis late in the uk

Blessings
T

[Molly]

6Yea, though he live a thousand years twice told, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?

--Ecc 6

"thousand"

H505
אלף
'eleph
eh'-lef
Properly the same as H504; hence (an ox's head being the first letter of the alphabet, and this eventually used as a numeral) a thousand: - thousand.


The word for 'thousand' here is the first letter of the Hebrew alphabet--eleph.  This is one of the names of God, the 'alpha' in Greek.  God gave Adam language, so language is a divine function.

Even if we live the same story a thousand years twice over--the eleph--the first half, nothing will change--because the alpha is only half of the story.  Man is still subjected to death and futility, and under the ministry of death.

The second part of the story is needed--the omega--to release man from the futility of bondage to the devil.


14Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
15And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

16For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

--Hebrews 2



Thus we are not telling  the same story twice over, because God has done a new thing.



5And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. --Rev 21



We are singing a new song--the song of the Lamb--



Revelation 15:3
And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.



He is both halves of the story--the Alpha and the Omega--



6And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. --Rev 21



Only through Christ does human life have meaning, because death is swallowed up in victory--



7He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. --Rev 21



How I long for the reign of the Omega.



"Omega"

G5598
Ω
Ō
o'-meg-ah
The last letter of the Greek alphabet, that is, (figuratively)the finality: - Omega.

[willieH]

willieH: Hi Molly!  --  :icon_king:

Thus we are not telling  the same story twice over, because God has done a new thing.

5And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. --Rev 21

GOD is REVEALING what IS... JESUS CHRIST always IS, does NOT change...

NEW implies change from OLD...

YHVH GOD, nor JESUS CHRIST ever changes...

They are RESTORING to its ORIGINAL ETERNAL state, that which found CHANGE in TIME...

The "NEW" is the REVELATION of what was always THERE, and VEILED in the "OLD"...

It is not "NEW" in the sense of REMAKING [from infinite perspective]... it is NEW in the sense of REVEALING to those [finites] who have yet to SEE it...


peace...
...willieH  :icon_king:

[Peacetroll]

What did Paul say Willy?

Galatians 1:4
Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

what is the future,doesn't exist now? The prophet declared it.

Isaiah 65:17
For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

Isaiah 66:22
For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.

Peter backed him up. It is a new thing for there to be nothing but good.

2 Peter 3:13
Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

[Molly]

NEW implies change from OLD...

YHVH GOD, nor JESUS CHRIST ever changes...

He doesn't change but this predatory world does--


6 The wolf will live with the lamb,
       the leopard will lie down with the goat,
       the calf and the lion and the yearling  together;
       and a little child will lead them.

--Isa 11


And, we do, too--


51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, ....

--1 Cor 15

[Taffy]

6Yea, though he live a thousand years twice told, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?

--Ecc 6

"thousand"

H505
אלף
'eleph
eh'-lef
Properly the same as H504; hence (an ox's head being the first letter of the alphabet, and this eventually used as a numeral) a thousand: - thousand.


The word for 'thousand' here is the first letter of the Hebrew alphabet--eleph.[/i]  This is one of the names of God, the 'alpha' in Greek.  God gave Adam language, so language is a divine function.

Even if we live the same story a thousand years twice over--the eleph--the first half, nothing will change--because the alpha is only half of the story.  Man is still subjected to death and futility, and under the ministry of death.

The second part of the story is needed--the omega--to release man from the futility of bondage to the devil.


14Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
15And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

16For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

--Hebrews 2



Thus we are not telling  the same story twice over, because God has done a new thing.



5And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. --Rev 21



We are singing a new song--the song of the Lamb--



Revelation 15:3
And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.



He is both halves of the story--the Alpha and the Omega--



6And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. --Rev 21



Only through Christ does human life have meaning, because death is swallowed up in victory--



7He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. --Rev 21



How I long for the reign of the Omega.



"Omega"

G5598
Ω
Ō
o'-meg-ah
The last letter of the Greek alphabet, that is, (figuratively)the finality: - Omega.

Thank you Molly, Thousand YRS twice Told..OLD is THE SHADOW of the NEW both bearing witness(takes two witnesess Molly to  substantiate THE TRUTH.

Jesus is the alpha and omega,( The Beginning and the END or in Hebrew, the Aleph and Tav).

Christ is the END of our faith.., then also the Beginning ...
Aleph being the first letter represents the birth of all things.
Tav (whose symbolic meaning is the cross) is the last letter and represents the completion of all things. Together they represent all the other letter in-between and through which God expressed his truth.
The word 'truth' in Hebrew is emet. It is comprised of three letters: aleph " mem " tav. As such it represents the alpha and omega (aleph " tav). The letter mem signifies water and is shaped like the womb. meaning, truth must flow and also birth that which is above. The word heaven (H.8064 sha-mayim) is founded on the Hebrew word for water (H.4325 mayim). The letter shin represents fire. So together, heaven rains down fire and water. The two things we are baptised in.

which for mine is what Willie is saying here..Theres Nothing NEW Under the SON, But all things are revealed,restoring that which was LOST ,THAT WHICH WAS lost BEHIND THE VEIL.


GOD is REVEALING what IS... JESUS CHRIST always IS, does NOT change...

NEW implies change from OLD...

YHVH GOD, nor JESUS CHRIST ever changes...

They are RESTORING to its ORIGINAL ETERNAL state, that which found CHANGE in TIME...

The "NEW" is the REVELATION of what was always THERE, and VEILED in the "OLD"...

It is not "NEW" in the sense of REMAKING [from infinite perspective]... it is NEW in the sense of REVEALING to those [finites] who have yet to SEE it...

Blessings
T

[Molly]

They are RESTORING to its ORIGINAL ETERNAL state, that which found CHANGE in TIME...

Yes, a restoration to the eternal state that al Adam, 'God's breath,'  God-man, enjoyed in the garden, the first man to walk and talk with God.

But, there will be a difference, because Adam was lowered into futility, put outside the veil,  in hope--

And, this time, a new heaven and a new earth will not be populated by one or two but--

a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and in front of the Lamb.

--Rev 7


Jesus calls himself Adam's 'son,' [son of Adam].    Jesus also calls himself God's 'son.'   So who was Adam?

Can Adam, the son of God, be the father of Jesus?  Oh, these things get tricky when God is making himself a family.


Luke 1:32
He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David,



Luke 20
41Then Jesus said to them, "How is it that they say the Christ is the Son of David? 42David himself declares in the Book of Psalms:
   " 'The Lord said to my Lord:
      "Sit at my right hand
43until I make your enemies
      a footstool for your feet." ' 44David calls him 'Lord.' How then can he be his son?"

[willieH]

willieH: Hi PT...  :happygrin:

What did Paul say Willy?

Galatians 1:4
Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

EVIL is but a VEIL which withholds GOOD from being seen dusty...

When GOOD is REVEALED the VEIL no longer IS...

GOD never CHANGES... He remains CONSTANT, which is why we can be assured that His Words can be relied upon...

TIME is a realm in which CHANGE and EVIL are allowed to be manifest... ETERNITY is UNCHANGING yet animate... within the realm of LOVE and GOOD...

Nothing ever "wears out" in ETERNITY, nor does it progress from one thing to another... it remains what it IS... for what it IS, ...is already PERFECT, and anything PERFECT does not necessitate CHANGE... any CHANGE made to something PERFECT would render that PERFECT thing or entity, to become IMPERFECT...

That which is PERFECT, ...is COMPLETE...

Anything that is COMPLETE does not require anything MORE... and if anything COMPLETE is somehow altered, it can only move in a direction of negativity which would be, INCOMPLETE...

This is what THIS "PRESENT EVIL" classroom is all about bro... We are seeing and experiencing what happens to "PERFECT" which DESCENDS from that state, ...when TIME and EVIL are applied TO IT...

what is the future,doesn't exist now? The prophet declared it.

The "future" is illusionary... for all that the "future" IS, ...is NOW which is yet to BE... there is no reality or EXISTENCE, found in the PAST or FUTURE... only in NOW does ANYTHING find an existence...

Isaiah 65:17
For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

Isaiah 66:22
For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.

The "NEW" as I previously noted, is not a "RECREATION" of the OLD... it is the REVELATION of what is NOT SEEN...

The NEW "Heaven" is the heart which is incorruptible, the NEW "Earth" is the body which is incorruptible because the HEART is RETURNED to its original state which is, ...incorruptible...

Peter backed him up. It is a new thing for there to be nothing but good.

This observation is amiss (as I see it)... for to say "it is a new thing for there to be nothing but good",  implies that ETERNITY which PRECEEDED and shall SUCCEED ...Time... was in some way, NOT ..."nothing but good" and will NOT be "nothing but good" for ETERNITY has no origin (beginning) nor destiny (end)...

ETERNITY has ALWAYS BEEN, ..."nothing but good"... it has just remained VEILED to those who are IN TIME...

NOTHING but GOOD, ...always IS in ETERNITY dusty... It is just VEILED or UNSEEN by those of us amidst "TIME"...

If you were in a hermetically sealed "room" in darkness, ...with NO "light"... from your very beginning...

You would have no concept of the scenario which is OUTSIDE of that "room"... and  which is FILLED WITH LIGHT...

Because you have no concept of it, does not negate its existence... nor does it have to be "RECREATED" for YOU, just because you have not ever EXPERIENCED it, being separated FROM IT... 

For YOU "experiencing it"  would certainly be NEW to you... but in truth the scenario is not NEW, rather it IS as it has ALWAYS BEEN, which IS as it IS... what is "NEW" is the REVELATION ...of IT, ...to YOU...

2 Peter 3:13
Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

It shall be NEW to us, because all we know is this DARK world... but the NEW Heaven and NEW Earth have ALWAYS BEEN to those in ETERNITY, ... they have just not been available to those of us IN TIME...

When we put on INCORRUPTION, it is not the INTRODUCTION of INCORRUPTION in ETERNITY,  ...it is the (re)introduction of INCORRUPTION to those who were IN TIME amidst CORRUPTION...

Those in ETERNITY have not been in CORRUPTION, rather have ALWAYS BEEN amidst INCORRUPTION...  INCORRUPTION is not NEW to them... and therefore is not a NEW thing...

It is only "NEW" to those who have yet to EXPERIENCE it...

Peace...
...willieH  :laughing7:

[Peacetroll]

You really don't have any idea what the thousand years is for or who it involves and why, do you?

[Taffy]

You really don't have any idea what the thousand years is for or who it involves and why, do you?

Personally the Thousand yrs  as being symbolic has been explained rather well PT ?

Isa 65:15 And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:


Isa 65:16 That he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes.


Isa 65:17 ¶ For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.


Isa 65:18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever [in that] which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

Isa 65:19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.

seems our Lord will Kill Infants who reach a Hundred come your Kingdom Bud.....care to expound Some


Isa 65:20 ¶ There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner [being] an hundred years old shall be accursed



Blessings
Taffy

[Molly]

You really don't have any idea what the thousand years is for or who it involves and why, do you?

I would like to hear your interpretation of it as literal--if that's what it is, because I always like to read the Bible literally at first.  I think the Bible contains both the literal and the spiritual, and finally merges both.

[Taffy]

You really don't have any idea what the thousand years is for or who it involves and why, do you?

I would like to hear your interpretation of it as literal--if that's what it is, because I always like to read the Bible literally at first.  I think the Bible contains both the literal and the spiritual, and finally merges both.

Me too Molly..maybe PT can explain this written In Iss...its all about the NEW Heavens and NEW earth..but pt PLEASE DONT FORGET the Bolded because in the Literal Theres going to Be many an Infant who Dies at 100YRS OLD.now aint that an Oxymoron... :icon_flower:

Isa 65:15 And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:


Isa 65:16 That he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes.


Isa 65:17  For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.


Isa 65:18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever [in that] which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

Isa 65:19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.

seems our Lord will Kill Infants who reach a Hundred come your Kingdom Bud.....care to expound Some


Isa 65:20  There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner [being] an hundred years old shall be accursed

Blessings

[Peacetroll]

 I'll just start here and give  you a short explanation of what I believe these verses tell us. I won't argue about these verse, we all will believe what Jesus gives us to believe.

Isaiah 65:18But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

This Jerusalem is the city that Jesus will rule the world from with a rod of iron, and her people are the saints of God, who are filled with the Spirit of Christ without measure. [Remember what God said of this?Malachi 3:18
Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.]


19And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.

20There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

Then all who ever were born on the earth will be brought back in their own order, from the last to the first.  There will be no babies born, because the crop and the tares are in the time of the harvest given in the parables.
The truth will be shouted from the housetops, there will no longer be any excuse for rejecting Jesus, for not loving Him with all your might.Then the wheat will die in the Lord at 100 years, and  rest from their labor with the Elect.[The good die young, and none taketh it to heart]
The sinner, those who still reject the Lord in their hearts, will live on accursed. Accursed because they are being bundled together for their destruction.

21And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.

22They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.

The work of their hands is the harvesting, the converting of all the sons of Adam, who were dead, and are being made alive by faith, as they come to know, trust, and love Jesus Christ. 

23They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.

24And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.

25The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

As enoch wrote, all the varios human groups likened to animals before they are converted will come to the Lord together. The carnal people who can not convert being only flesh without the Spirit, are left to wait for that old serpent.

Revelation 20:7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Here is another way of saying this.

Nahum 1: 9What do ye imagine against the LORD? he will make an utter end: affliction shall not rise up the second time.

10For while they be folden together as thorns, and while they are drunken as drunkards, they shall be devoured as stubble fully dry.

11There is one come out of thee, that imagineth evil against the LORD, a wicked counsellor.

12Thus saith the LORD; Though they be quiet, and likewise many, yet thus shall they be cut down, when he shall pass through. Though I have afflicted thee, I will afflict thee no more.

13For now will I break his yoke from off thee, and will burst thy bonds in sunder.

14And the LORD hath given a commandment concerning thee, that no more of thy name be sown: out of the house of thy gods will I cut off the graven image and the molten image: I will make thy grave; for thou art vile.

15Behold upon the mountains the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace! O Judah, keep thy solemn feasts, perform thy vows: for the wicked shall no more pass through thee; he is utterly cut off.

[Taffy]

I'll just start here and give  you a short explanation of what I believe these verses tell us. I won't argue about these verse, we all will believe what Jesus gives us to believe.

Isaiah 65:18But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

This Jerusalem is the city that Jesus will rule the world from with a rod of iron, and her people are the saints of God, who are filled with the Spirit of Christ without measure. [Remember what God said of this?Malachi 3:18
Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.]


19And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.

20There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

Then all who ever were born on the earth will be brought back in their own order, from the last to the first.  There will be no babies born, because the crop and the tares are in the time of the harvest given in the parables.
The truth will be shouted from the housetops, there will no longer be any excuse for rejecting Jesus, for not loving Him with all your might.Then the wheat will die in the Lord at 100 years, and  rest from their labor with the Elect.[The good die young, and none taketh it to heart]
The sinner, those who still reject the Lord in their hearts, will live on accursed. Accursed because they are being bundled together for their destruction.

21And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.

22They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.

The work of their hands is the harvesting, the converting of all the sons of Adam, who were dead, and are being made alive by faith, as they come to know, trust, and love Jesus Christ. 

23They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.

24And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.

25The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

As enoch wrote, all the varios human groups likened to animals before they are converted will come to the Lord together. The carnal people who can not convert being only flesh without the Spirit, are left to wait for that old serpent.

Revelation 20:7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Here is another way of saying this.

Nahum 1: 9What do ye imagine against the LORD? he will make an utter end: affliction shall not rise up the second time.

10For while they be folden together as thorns, and while they are drunken as drunkards, they shall be devoured as stubble fully dry.

11There is one come out of thee, that imagineth evil against the LORD, a wicked counsellor.

12Thus saith the LORD; Though they be quiet, and likewise many, yet thus shall they be cut down, when he shall pass through. Though I have afflicted thee, I will afflict thee no more.

13For now will I break his yoke from off thee, and will burst thy bonds in sunder.

14And the LORD hath given a commandment concerning thee, that no more of thy name be sown: out of the house of thy gods will I cut off the graven image and the molten image: I will make thy grave; for thou art vile.

15Behold upon the mountains the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace! O Judah, keep thy solemn feasts, perform thy vows: for the wicked shall no more pass through thee; he is utterly cut off.

Yo Brother PT.

Seeing after the flesh, by that One means OUTWARDLY is Not how I perceive whats Written  in Iss , this speaks too and of ,the Inner man Being Created in His Likeness Bro :icon_flower:

The New Heavens and Earth are as WH described...Heaven being our MINDS\HEART and the Earth that of a NEW body.

the new Names given to His( servants  are likened to Nepios Gal 4:1)IS HIS....

Rev 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth [it].

Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and [I will write upon him] my new name


you quoted this verse...

Isaiah 65:18But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

Notice the WORD RE-....we come back Home bro..the Word JOY means Christ..Hes hidden everywhere Bud...hes CALLED GREAT JOY....

the old BEARS YESTIMONY to the NEW but its HIDDEN, veiled.....as some have said on numerous occasions Bro :icon_flower:
Judgement I believe COMES from the North


Psa 48:2 Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, [is] mount Zion, [on] the sides of the north, the city of the great King.

2Ch 30:26 So there was great joy in Jerusalem: for since the time of Solomon the son of David king of Israel [there was] not the like in Jerusalem.

Luk 2:10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.
there plenty more which Testify to me that HE IS THIS JOY in our hearts

Luk 24:52 And they worshipped ((( IN SPIRIT AND TRUTH =CHRIST))))))him, and """""""""""""""returned""""""""""""""""""""2  to Jerusalem with great joy:

Bro for mine its ALWAYS the natural which comes First , then the Spiritual..

As for NEW Jerusalem.. HIS are NEW JERUSALEM bro...you must have rad many threads which share this,,if ya not read it then ill happilly point out the Scrips

IT ALL SPEAKS AFTER THE inner man BRO FOR MINE

Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

new jerusalem IS NOW BRO..tis not a future event

Tis allegory

Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

If we be lieve what Scriture says NEW JERUSALEM is Now....then Salavation Too IS NOW..

Brud , these be the Scrips, not My words Bro

Rom 13:11 And that, knowing the time, that now [it is] high time to awake out of sleep: for now [is] our salvation nearer than when we believed. 

2Cr 6:2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now [is] the accepted time; behold, now [is] the day of salvation.) 


Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

when Is NOW bro..?

anyways time for sleepies......see God willing the Morrow...

Blessings


 

[willieH]

willieH: Hi PT...  :laughing7:

You really don't have any idea what the thousand years is for or who it involves and why, do you?

I have already given an EXTENSIVE take in THIS THREAD about the SYMBOLIC  notation of the "thousand years" found in the REVELATION of JESUS CHRIST...

You take this period to be a LITERAL portion of TIME... I see that as an ERRONEOUS view... I shall leave YOU to the futile chase of this MIRAGE brother dustprophet,  which finds you percieving the SYMBOLIC, as "LITERAL"...

PeacE...
...willieH  :laughing7:

[laren]

1Co 15:25  For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

[Molly]

If we be lieve what Scriture says NEW JERUSALEM is Now....then Salavation Too IS NOW..

Brud , these be the Scrips, not My words Bro

Rom 13:11 And that, knowing the time, that now [it is] high time to awake out of sleep: for now [is] our salvation nearer than when we believed. 

2Cr 6:2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now [is] the accepted time; behold, now [is] the day of salvation.) 


Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

when Is NOW bro..?

If now is the time of our salvation, (and I agree with you, because I know for myself it is now), then when is it for all those who reject the living God?  Not now?

And, if the New Jerusalem is now--where is it?  Inside a few of the chosen?  Then, what about the others for whom it is not now?

[rosered]

 This is a great thead  :happy3:

  I am listening and  with the different views  makes me think  :thumbsup: i believe these types of threads are where i can learn the most !
  thanks to all whom have contributed     :cloud9:
peace  rose

[Taffy]

20There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

Then all who ever were born on the earth will be brought back in their own order, from the last to the first.  There will be no babies born, because the crop and the tares are in the time of the harvest given in the parables.
The truth will be shouted from the housetops, there will no longer be any excuse for rejecting Jesus, for not loving Him with all your might.Then the wheat will die in the Lord at 100 years, and  rest from their labor with the Elect.[The good die young, and none taketh it to heart]
The sinner, those who still reject the Lord in their hearts, will live on accursed. Accursed because they are being bundled together for their destruction.

No Babies BORN PT.... THEN what are offspring?

23They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.

It matters not PT.

20There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed[/b].

In this KINGDOM there shall be NO MORE infants of DAYS?WE SEE AFTER THE SPIRIT PT, not the flesh.

Infants are likened to Babes( Nepios) as those under law or those who return Under it, Its these infants who will not be in the Kingdom , For Flesh and spirit do not mix....we move from a Child\servant\babe as one under LAW to a SON of FAITH.

Gal 4:1 Now I say, [That] the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all; 
Gal 4:7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

Rom 2:20 An instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, which hast the form of knowledge and of the truth in the law. 

1Cr 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, [even] as unto babes in Christ.

Hsa 13:16 Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up

Job 3:16 Or as an hidden untimely birth I had not been; as infants [which] never saw light. 

but are these infants forsaken

Isa 49:14  But Zion said, The LORD hath forsaken me, and my Lord hath forgotten me.


Isa 49:15  Can a woman forget her sucking child, that she should not have compassion on the son of her womb? yea, they may forget, yet will I not forget thee.


THERE WILL BE NO MORE INFANTS OR BABES OR SERVANTS, :icon_flower: :icon_flower: :icon_flower:

nor an old man that( hath not filled= """mä·lā'"""" fulfil, accomplish, complete) his days:

We Know the OLD MAN has to die for thee FLESH to live, Moses( law) died at I2O, A DIVINE PROBATION, he did NOT cross the RIVER Jordan .flesh is given to die at 120...the fulfillment of his DAYS

Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also [is] flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. 

for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed

The Child dies at 100 yrs.....WHY?....again we move froma babe\child\servant unto a SON of FAITH..the Child dies so the son is BORN.

The son of Faith is issac  GIVEN to Abraham at 100 yrs..for a CHILD IS BORN and son is Given...as Christ Himself BORN a Child under LAW.

The sinner is One being a Hundred and does NOT die( refuses Christ) for that which is NOT OF FAITH IS SIN.

anyways PT....Thats me done too on this thread for now at least. :icon_flower:

Blessings
Taffy

[Peacetroll]

 The ofspring ar those who are gathered in Christ. Jerusalem from above is the bride of Christ. What is a marriage for? To produce ofspring, or it is pointless.

Revelation 22:16I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

17And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

Isaiah put the same thing this way.

Isaiah 55
1Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.

2Wherefore do ye spend money for that which is not bread? and your labour for that which satisfieth not? hearken diligently unto me, and eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness.

3Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.

This offer will be made to every one who ever lived during that thousand years. Christ was the first fruits, the first Man , which is in heaven, then we who believe and are in Him at His coming, and then the full harvest during that 1000 years, accomplished by the Spirit, God our Savior, and the Bride, the saints.

Laren, who must reign?

1 Corinthians 15:24Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

The teachings of Paul are Purposely obtruce and are as always in parable form, so that there might be an Elect taken out of the gentiles, His witnesses, the first ofspring, the guests at the wedding.
You posted the cut from the scriptures posted above which simply states that He will reign forever, that the whole of His creation is returned to God as He intended it to be.
The scriptures cannot be broken.

Psalm 110
1The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

2The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.

3Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.

Remember, Jesus came out of the Father, and returned to the Father? He and the Father are one.  He is the Rock of ages.

Daniel 2:45
Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.

[laren]

The ofspring ar those who are gathered in Christ. Jerusalem from above is the bride of Christ. What is a marriage for? To produce ofspring, or it is pointless.

Revelation 22:16I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

17And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

Isaiah put the same thing this way.

Isaiah 55
1Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.

2Wherefore do ye spend money for that which is not bread? and your labour for that which satisfieth not? hearken diligently unto me, and eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness.

3Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.

This offer will be made to every one who ever lived during that thousand years. Christ was the first fruits, the first Man , which is in heaven, then we who believe and are in Him at His coming, and then the full harvest during that 1000 years, accomplished by the Spirit, God our Savior, and the Bride, the saints.

Laren, who must reign?

1 Corinthians 15:24Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

The teachings of Paul are Purposely obtruce and are as always in parable form, so that there might be an Elect taken out of the gentiles, His witnesses, the first ofspring, the guests at the wedding.
You posted the cut from the scriptures posted above which simply states that He will reign forever, that the whole of His creation is returned to God as He intended it to be.
The scriptures cannot be broken.

Psalm 110
1The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

2The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.

3Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.

Remember, Jesus came out of the Father, and returned to the Father? He and the Father are one.  He is the Rock of ages.

Daniel 2:45
Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.

Rom 5:17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) 


Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. 


Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. 



Rom 11:31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. 

1Cr 15:24 Then [cometh] the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 




Rom 11:36  For of him, and through him, and to him, [are] all things: to whom [be] glory for ever. Amen.



the "1000" year reign, imo; is through the "head and body" and the purpose is to put all enemies under his feet, with death being the last thing to be destroyed. 


25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

[Peacetroll]

 Who is subdueing the enemies? Jesus and the Father are one.

Psalm 110
1The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.


Matthew 26:64
Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Don't you understand who Jesus is? There is only ONE God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, in who's name you must be babtised, or imersed in, Jesus Christ. God is the Holy Spirit, who came into this world in flesh, to redeem us, and walk and talk and be with we who are powerless against all else that is called God.

1 Corinthians 8:5For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)

6But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Romans 11:36
For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

Hebrews 7:2To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;

3Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

[laren]

Who is subdueing the enemies? Jesus and the Father are one.

Psalm 110
1The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.


Matthew 26:64
Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Don't you understand who Jesus is? There is only ONE God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, in who's name you must be babtised, or imersed in, Jesus Christ. God is the Holy Spirit, who came into this world in flesh, to redeem us, and walk and talk and be with we who are powerless against all else that is called God.

1 Corinthians 8:5For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)

6But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Romans 11:36
For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

Hebrews 7:2To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;

3Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

Eph 2:6 And hath raised [us] up together, and made [us] sit together in heavenly [places] in Christ Jesus: 


Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus


Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated [us] into the kingdom of his dear Son: 

[Taffy]

PT

Back to basics if you will PT,..Do you not know the Book of REVELATION """"""""""IS """""""""""""""""""""" SYMBOLIC

AS is, a Thousand Years as Noted being the same... ,being somewhat  explained in this thread

A DAY is""""""""""""""""""AS""""""""""""  a thousand YEARS, the same mentioned  in Revelation..

JUST what does signified mean?..how plain does this have to BE :icon_flower:.

Rev 1:1  The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified [it] by his angel unto his servant John:


But you persist to state this is something other than Signified.....and you Bro,  propose that others havent an Idea what they speak of?........ but,This IS what scripture says, if you see it otherwise then it aint scripture ,tis your WORDS and your words ALONE..... :icon_flower:

if ya aint on BASE....then ya lost from the Start.

Blessings
Taffy

[Molly]

I'm not sure I would agree the whole book of Revelation is symbolic.

Some things are clearly literally symbolic, like 666.

But, other things like plagues happen in real life.

Do you think John was really taken up to the throne of God?  Did he really see those things?

Or is the throne of God just symbolic for something else?

Will God really wipe away all our tears?  Or is that just symbolism?

Jesus "signified" the book just means he put his signature to the testimony, meaning it is a true witness.