The God I Know

[Molly]

I loved your story, Byron.

Was it the most beautiful male voice you've ever heard?

Mine was. :Sparkletooth:

The world shall soon dissolve like snow,
The sun refuse to shine;
But, God who called me here below
Will be forever mine

[Pierac]

Hi Trans,   :hihat:

I must be different here as I do not hear voices in my head, no not even my own. I only have thoughts, no voices. I appeared to be wired more logical. Emotions don't work for me, and never have. I'm not saying one way is better than another, just I don't process things emotionally.
Like being filled with the Spirit for example. For me to be filled with the spirit is precisely the same thing as letting the word (teaching, message) of Christ direct my life.  To have "Jesus in my heart" is when I have his words informing and empowering my life. If his Gospel-word is the motivating principle in my life, then I have the Spirit of God dwelling in me. This is why it's important to read scripture, so that one can have God's words! I never really get to feel anything, but I have faith in God's love.

Ecc 1:9  That which has been is that which will be, And that which has been done is that which will be done. So there is nothing new under the sun. 10  Is there anything of which one might say, "See this, it is new"? Already it has existed for ages Which were before us.

Yes, Transponder men have been wrestling with this topic for thousands of years lets take a look back into the past.


Lactantius:  The Divine Institutes. Book VI. Chap. X. - Of Religion Towards God, and Mercy Towards Men; And of the Beginning of the World.  (Around 303 A.D.)

For God, who has not given wisdom to the other animals, has made them more safe from attack in danger by natural defenses. But because He made him naked and defenseless,65 that He might rather furnish him with wisdom, He gave him, besides other things, this feeling of kindness;66 so that man should protect, love, and cherish man, and both receive and afford assistance against all dangers. Therefore kindness is the greatest bond of human society... "In short, we are all sprung from a heavenly seed; all have that same father." Therefore they are to be accounted as savage beasts who injure man; who, in opposition to every law and right of human nature, plunder, torture, slay, and banish...
There are no precepts of philosophers to this purport, inasmuch as they, being captivated by the appearance of false virtue, have taken away mercy from man, and while they wish to heal, have corrupted... This error, therefore, is also to be refuted, of those who think that nothing is to be bestowed on any one. They have introduced not one origin only, and cause of building a city; but some relate that those men who were first born from the earth, (CaveMen) when they passed a wandering life among the woods and plains, and were not united by any mutual bond of speech or justice, but had leaves and grass for their beds, and caves and grottos for their dwellings, were a prey to the beasts and stronger animals. Then, that those who had either escaped, having been torn, or had seen their neighbours torn, being admonished of their own danger, had recourse to other men, implored protection, and at first made their wishes known by nods; then that they tried the beginnings of conversation, and by attaching names to each object, by degrees completed the system of speech. But when they saw that numbers themselves were not safe against the beasts, they began also to build towns, either that they might make their nightly repose safe, or that they might ward off the incursions and attacks of beasts, not by fighting, but by interposing barriers.71

ARNOBIUS  The Seven Books of Arnobius Against the Heathen.  BOOK VI. CHAPTER XX .  (around 284-330A.D.)

31. "O greatest, O Supreme Creator of things invisible! O Thou who art Thyself unseen, and who art incomprehensible! Thou art worthy, Thou art verily worthy - if only mortal tongue may speak of Thee - that all breathing and intelligent nature should never cease to feel and to return thanks; that it should throughout the whole of life fall on bended knee, and offer supplication with never-ceasing prayers. For Thou art the first cause; in Thee created things exist, and Thou art the space in which rest the foundations of all things, whatever they be. Thou art illimitable, unbegotten, immortal, enduring for aye, God Thyself alone, whom no bodily shape may represent, no outline delineate; of virtues inexpressible, of greatness indefinable; unrestricted as to locality, movement, and condition, concerning whom nothing can be clearly expressed by the significance of man's words. That Thou mayest he understood, we must be silent; and that erring conjecture may track Thee through the shady cloud, no word must be uttered. Grant pardon, O King Supreme, to those who persecute Thy servants; and in virtue of Thy benign nature, forgive those who fly from the worship of Thy name and the observance of Thy religion. It is not to be wondered at if Thou art unknown; it is a cause of greater astonishment if Thou art clearly comprehended.54  But perchance some one dares - for this remains for frantic madness to do - to be uncertain, and to express doubt whether that God exists or not; whether He is believed in on the proved truth of reliable evidence, or on the imaginings of empty rumour. For of those who have given themselves to philosophizing, we have heard that some 55 deny the existence of any divine power, that others56 inquire daily whether there be or not; that others57 construct the whole fabric of the universe by chance accidents and by random collision, and fashion it by the concourse of atoms of different shapes; with whom we by no means intend to enter at this time on a discussion of such perverse convictions.58 For those who think wisely say, that to argue against things palpably foolish, is a mark of greater folly."

Yes, close to one thousand eight hundred years ago they talked about atoms, and cave men!   So I guess there really is "nothing new under the sun"!
One would have thought a better theory would have developed over the past 1800 years  :dontknow:

Peace bro

Paul

[Transponder]

(1) such as the exact match of starving = food...not really much need to fish about for a practiced evangelist. I could have taken my comment about skimming the surface and found a parallel about searching deeper for truth, for all that I'd probably need to google for it, not being a practiced evangelical.

Well, okay. I still think you may have missed the point that this was not a preacher and that I told him nothing of the 'starving to death' but, if you think it's coincidence - fine.

Just as you are a bit blunt about what you perceive about people's "God in their heads", let me be a bit blunt as well, if I may.

There's folks like you, who have no sense of the supernatural, folks that have 'religious faith' and hyper imaginations (the type that de-convert a lot), folks with spiritual experiences which come from being in contact with the unseen world and then those who are in contact with the unseen world and in contact (relationship) with the creator of the seen and the unseen world.

So you, being in the first category, don't see that you're missing anything and see all others to be in the second category? That's what it looks like from here, like you have physical senses but not spiritual senses, and those who do, you assume to be illogical and possessors of a vivid imagination.

That doesn't make you any 'less' than anyone else (to me), but it would make you less gifted than some in that particular area, just as I am probably less gifted than you intellectually. So that's pretty much where it will stay until the "God I know" does something different with ya'.

Since the unseen world sustains and created the seen world, you must eventually know this, perhaps upon death - hopefully (from my perspective) sooner, since your breathe came from God just like mine. But, since you don't see it I can assume everything I'm saying right now sounds like blah blah blah blah to you, so, I guess I'll rest my fingers now.


blessings,
- Byron

Well, yes, I did. I assumed that you said to this evangelical guy (I did not say preacher - not in the sense of professional) what your voice said to you. In fact, I'd find it surprising that you did not. I admit that the coincidence gets a bit more stretched if the first page you looked at had the 'food' reference. Sure it was the first page? Sure you didn't do more than just have that page put in front of you? Think back. It just doesn't...work as a normal sequence of events.

I have to say that I do find proof from personal miracles hard to handle. I am faced with a choce; I either accept what I am told on trust - whether by those that swear that they grew a new head after it had been crushed by a truck or by those that say they were abducted by small grey men - or I have to reserve my judgement until something a bit more reliable comes up. As I say, I have had a number of remarkable coincidences in my life. Some beneficial, some detrimental, some just remarkable. It just so happenned that none occured in a situation that allowed an evangelical of one kind or another to suck me in.

Like I say, if it's good for you, fine. It ain't for me. I couldn't deal with the side effects. Faith can seriously damage your reason.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9:  Trans, I LOVED this last statement of yours, "Faith can seriously damage your reason."  :thumbsup:

[Reverend G]

Little green men, huh?  I just have to wonder, if a space ship were to land at the UN, with a tablet of some unknown metal, inscribed in multiple languages, saying that it came from a planet far away (with coordinates identifying it), and claiming Jesus put them there to send His message to humanity to love and serve the Lord, would science be searching for who perpetrated this hoax, or would they conclude that even aliens suffer from the same neuroses as humanity?

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Neither.  :laughing7: They'd try to worship it/them, for their "higher" knowledge. Just my  :2c:  :winkgrin:

[Molly]

Like I say, if it's good for you, fine. It ain't for me. I couldn't deal with the side effects. Faith can seriously damage your reason.

Yeah, just like it damaged the reason of one of the world's greatest scientists, Sir Isaac Newton. :happy3:



"At the end of the seventeenth century, Isaac Newton (1642-1727) initiated a revolution in science. At the end of the twentieth century, scholars began a revolution in the understanding of Newton. As Newton's long-concealed private papers on theology become increasingly accessible, students of Newton's thought are coming to see Newton as more than a scientist.

The author of the Principia mathematica was a true Renaissance man who spent decades delving in the secrets of alchemy and even longer studying the Bible, theology and church history. Leaving behind four million words on theology, Newton was one of the greatest lay theologians of his age. A study of Newton's theology and prophetic views illuminates the life of this great thinker and helps us understand his science.

This website provides downloadable academic papers (both published and forthcoming) that explore Newton's theology, prophetic views and the interaction between his science and his religion. These resources include substantial quotations from Newton's unpublished theological manuscripts."

[Reverend G]

Actually, most of the great scientists, even Einstein, who though not religious, believed in a Creator. 

[Molly]

Actually, most of the great scientists, even Einstein, who though not religious, believed in a Creator. 

Yes, somebody should write a book compiling the religious statements of the great modern scientists, lest misled minds jump to the conclusion that science and belief in God are somehow incompatible.

In fact, it's just the opposite.

[hopeful]

Yes, somebody should write a book compiling the religious statements of the great modern scientists, lest misled minds jump to the conclusion that science and belief in God are somehow incompatible.

In fact, it's just the opposite.

We own a book in our homeschool library titled Men Of science Men Of God, that I think does just that.  Haven't read it yet though.   :HeartThrob:

[Reverend G]

Some of them write books, too.  One example is Francis S. Collins, who was atheistic in his youth.  He did write a book, "The Language of God: A Scientist Presents Evidence For Belief".  Never heard of him?  He headed the Human Genome Project...it mapped the Human DNA.

[Molly]

Some of them write books, too.  One example is Francis S. Collins, who was atheistic in his youth.  He did write a book, "The Language of God: A Scientist Presents Evidence For Belief".  Never heard of him?  He headed the Human Genome Project...it mapped the Human DNA.

I coined that phrase myself, 'the language of God,' before he published that book, because that is so clearly what DNA is--the language of God.  There is no doubt in my mind that God fiddles with our DNA (especially those parts of it that the scientists call 'junk' because they don't know what it does) when he makes us a 'new man.'

By the way, it looks like Newton did not believe in an eternal Hell, which, among other things, made him a heretic in his day, thus he had to keep his theological writings secret.

[Molly]

Yes, somebody should write a book compiling the religious statements of the great modern scientists, lest misled minds jump to the conclusion that science and belief in God are somehow incompatible.

In fact, it's just the opposite.

We own a book in our homeschool library titled Men Of science Men Of God, that I think does just that.  Haven't read it yet though.   :HeartThrob:

Thank God you are homeschooling because you would never see such a book in public school.

[firstborn888]

(1) such as the exact match of starving = food...not really much need to fish about for a practiced evangelist. I could have taken my comment about skimming the surface and found a parallel about searching deeper for truth, for all that I'd probably need to google for it, not being a practiced evangelical.

Well, okay. I still think you may have missed the point that this was not a preacher and that I told him nothing of the 'starving to death' but, if you think it's coincidence - fine.

Just as you are a bit blunt about what you perceive about people's "God in their heads", let me be a bit blunt as well, if I may.

There's folks like you, who have no sense of the supernatural, folks that have 'religious faith' and hyper imaginations (the type that de-convert a lot), folks with spiritual experiences which come from being in contact with the unseen world and then those who are in contact with the unseen world and in contact (relationship) with the creator of the seen and the unseen world.

So you, being in the first category, don't see that you're missing anything and see all others to be in the second category? That's what it looks like from here, like you have physical senses but not spiritual senses, and those who do, you assume to be illogical and possessors of a vivid imagination.

That doesn't make you any 'less' than anyone else (to me), but it would make you less gifted than some in that particular area, just as I am probably less gifted than you intellectually. So that's pretty much where it will stay until the "God I know" does something different with ya'.

Since the unseen world sustains and created the seen world, you must eventually know this, perhaps upon death - hopefully (from my perspective) sooner, since your breathe came from God just like mine. But, since you don't see it I can assume everything I'm saying right now sounds like blah blah blah blah to you, so, I guess I'll rest my fingers now.


blessings,
- Byron

Well, yes, I did. I assumed that you said to this evangelical guy (I did not say preacher - not in the sense of professional) what your voice said to you. In fact, I'd find it surprising that you did not. I admit that the coincidence gets a bit more stretched if the first page you looked at had the 'food' reference. Sure it was the first page? Sure you didn't do more than just have that page put in front of you? Think back. It just doesn't...work as a normal sequence of events.

Yes, the plan was to tell him and get his input but I told him NOTHING except "I think God may have spoken to me last night", then he cut me off and left the room and came back and pointed directly to John 4:32 - first thing. It was IMPOSSIBLE, and of course, it freaked me out as it would you or anyone else it happened to.

I was as stubborn and 'unbelieving' as they come. But as you stated - that was just an outward event to break the ice. Then things began to transpire on the inside.

I have to say that I do find proof from personal miracles hard to handle. I am faced with a choce; I either accept what I am told on trust - whether by those that swear that they grew a new head after it had been crushed by a truck or by those that say they were abducted by small grey men - or I have to reserve my judgement until something a bit more reliable comes up. As I say, I have had a number of remarkable coincidences in my life. Some beneficial, some detrimental, some just remarkable. It just so happenned that none occured in a situation that allowed an evangelical of one kind or another to suck me in.

You have great logical points, and the many 'pretenders' or self deceived certainly don't make it any easier.

Like I say, if it's good for you, fine. It ain't for me. I couldn't deal with the side effects. Faith can seriously damage your reason.

I think I explained reason vs. faith vs. real. I don't blame you for doubting and no one can show you unless God gives them the ability to cure spiritual blindness. Religion means nothing to me - I only accept reality.


blessings,
- Byron

[Transponder]

Like I say, if it's good for you, fine. It ain't for me. I couldn't deal with the side effects. Faith can seriously damage your reason.

Yeah, just like it damaged the reason of one of the world's greatest scientists, Sir Isaac Newton. :happy3:



"At the end of the seventeenth century, Isaac Newton (1642-1727) initiated a revolution in science. At the end of the twentieth century, scholars began a revolution in the understanding of Newton. As Newton's long-concealed private papers on theology become increasingly accessible, students of Newton's thought are coming to see Newton as more than a scientist.

The author of the Principia mathematica was a true Renaissance man who spent decades delving in the secrets of alchemy and even longer studying the Bible, theology and church history. Leaving behind four million words on theology, Newton was one of the greatest lay theologians of his age. A study of Newton's theology and prophetic views illuminates the life of this great thinker and helps us understand his science.

This website provides downloadable academic papers (both published and forthcoming) that explore Newton's theology, prophetic views and the interaction between his science and his religion. These resources include substantial quotations from Newton's unpublished theological manuscripts."

It did indeed. Of couse Newton believed in God and saw the universe as his handiwork. And you are right that Einstein believed in a creator, though (as he said) not a personal god. If anything those concepts got in the way of certain lines of their work or distracted them It does not mean that their work is to be decried.

What is to be decried are attempts to discredit science research because it appears to raise questions about religious belief, using the personal religious views of former scientists as icons.

[Transponder]

(1) such as the exact match of starving = food...not really much need to fish about for a practiced evangelist. I could have taken my comment about skimming the surface and found a parallel about searching deeper for truth, for all that I'd probably need to google for it, not being a practiced evangelical.

Well, okay. I still think you may have missed the point that this was not a preacher and that I told him nothing of the 'starving to death' but, if you think it's coincidence - fine.

Just as you are a bit blunt about what you perceive about people's "God in their heads", let me be a bit blunt as well, if I may.

There's folks like you, who have no sense of the supernatural, folks that have 'religious faith' and hyper imaginations (the type that de-convert a lot), folks with spiritual experiences which come from being in contact with the unseen world and then those who are in contact with the unseen world and in contact (relationship) with the creator of the seen and the unseen world.

So you, being in the first category, don't see that you're missing anything and see all others to be in the second category? That's what it looks like from here, like you have physical senses but not spiritual senses, and those who do, you assume to be illogical and possessors of a vivid imagination.

That doesn't make you any 'less' than anyone else (to me), but it would make you less gifted than some in that particular area, just as I am probably less gifted than you intellectually. So that's pretty much where it will stay until the "God I know" does something different with ya'.

Since the unseen world sustains and created the seen world, you must eventually know this, perhaps upon death - hopefully (from my perspective) sooner, since your breathe came from God just like mine. But, since you don't see it I can assume everything I'm saying right now sounds like blah blah blah blah to you, so, I guess I'll rest my fingers now.


blessings,
- Byron

Well, yes, I did. I assumed that you said to this evangelical guy (I did not say preacher - not in the sense of professional) what your voice said to you. In fact, I'd find it surprising that you did not. I admit that the coincidence gets a bit more stretched if the first page you looked at had the 'food' reference. Sure it was the first page? Sure you didn't do more than just have that page put in front of you? Think back. It just doesn't...work as a normal sequence of events.

Yes, the plan was to tell him and get his input but I told him NOTHING except "I think God may have spoken to me last night", then he cut me off and left the room and came back and pointed directly to John 4:32 - first thing. It was IMPOSSIBLE, and of course, it freaked me out as it would you or anyone else it happened to.

I was as stubborn and 'unbelieving' as they come. But as you stated - that was just an outward event to break the ice. Then things began to transpire on the inside.

I have to say that I do find proof from personal miracles hard to handle. I am faced with a choce; I either accept what I am told on trust - whether by those that swear that they grew a new head after it had been crushed by a truck or by those that say they were abducted by small grey men - or I have to reserve my judgement until something a bit more reliable comes up. As I say, I have had a number of remarkable coincidences in my life. Some beneficial, some detrimental, some just remarkable. It just so happenned that none occured in a situation that allowed an evangelical of one kind or another to suck me in.

You have great logical points, and the many 'pretenders' or self deceived certainly don't make it any easier.

Like I say, if it's good for you, fine. It ain't for me. I couldn't deal with the side effects. Faith can seriously damage your reason.

I think I explained reason vs. faith vs. real. I don't blame you for doubting and no one can show you unless God gives them the ability to cure spiritual blindness. Religion means nothing to me - I only accept reality.


blessings,
- Byron

Ok. I accept you account. I have said that I find personal miracles and the like hard to account for and I want to avoid falling into the trap of explaining away difficult facts.

I was talking to a buddhist friend recently and he said pretty much the same thing; that he never believed and then had a sort of personal revelation and found faith (in Buddhism - since that was his cultural background) and he said I would understand if the same thing happened to me. It leaves me unable to honestly deny that such things happen and maybe miracles (in the sense of things that science has no explanation for) happen too. It seems to happen in all sorts of faiths and even nonfaith conexts. I certainly can't take it as proving any particular religion.

And I am not sure that you would present it as such. We may be back to the a 'god' of all religions, or none. Perhaps as one poster said, that makes me a deist. I have also said that a deist is someone I could live with.

[Loveroftruth]

Ok. I accept you account. I have said that I find personal miracles and the like hard to account for and I want to avoid falling into the trap of explaining away difficult facts.

I was talking to a buddhist friend recently and he said pretty much the same thing; that he never believed and then had a sort of personal revelation and found faith (in Buddhism - since that was his cultural background) and he said I would understand if the same thing happened to me. It leaves me unable to honestly deny that such thing happen and maybe miracles (in the sense of things that science has no explanation for) happen too.It seems to happen in all sorts of faiths and even nonfaith conexts. I certainly can't take it as proving any particular religion.

Maybe its as simple as inviting it  :dontknow: :HeartThrob:

[firstborn888]

I loved your story, Byron.

Was it the most beautiful male voice you've ever heard?

Mine was. :Sparkletooth:

The world shall soon dissolve like snow,
The sun refuse to shine;
But, God who called me here below
Will be forever mine

Yes, well put - the most beautiful 'male' voice. Like John (kratos john) pointed out too - it actually resonates in the spirit - not in the head.

blessings,
- byron

[Transponder]

:cloud9:  Trans, I LOVED this last statement of yours, "Faith can seriously damage your reason."  :thumbsup:

:grin: You did? Perhaps you see that a positive! It makes it easier to acquire faith  :thumbsup:

[Transponder]

Little green men, huh?  I just have to wonder, if a space ship were to land at the UN, with a tablet of some unknown metal, inscribed in multiple languages, saying that it came from a planet far away (with coordinates identifying it), and claiming Jesus put them there to send His message to humanity to love and serve the Lord, would science be searching for who perpetrated this hoax, or would they conclude that even aliens suffer from the same neuroses as humanity?

This is to me? I don't recall mentioning little green men (actually this decade's color is Grey) however your fantasy of Aliens coming to announce Jesus is at best a good laugh.

In fact, in contactee accounts (for what they are worth) Aliens have generally been reluctant to talk about religion.

[Transponder]

Ok. I accept you account. I have said that I find personal miracles and the like hard to account for and I want to avoid falling into the trap of explaining away difficult facts.

I was talking to a buddhist friend recently and he said pretty much the same thing; that he never believed and then had a sort of personal revelation and found faith (in Buddhism - since that was his cultural background) and he said I would understand if the same thing happened to me. It leaves me unable to honestly deny that such thing happen and maybe miracles (in the sense of things that science has no explanation for) happen too.It seems to happen in all sorts of faiths and even nonfaith conexts. I certainly can't take it as proving any particular religion.

Maybe its as simple as inviting it  :dontknow: :HeartThrob:

I am sure that it is. However -  I am sure this will confirm any view that I really believe deep down but am afraid to admit it - I do not trust faith. My remark that Faith can damage your reason is not just a sideswipe. I know very well that getting people into a faith-posture, can produce that 'conversion click - over' and that is why the switch is looked for, whether through meditation, mendbending or group chanting.

I then talk to people have have acquired 'Faith' whether in a religion, a cult, fringe - science or even social matters. And what I see is a misuse of the tools of logic, a reversal of reason and twisting, misuse and even invention of evidence in order to maintain that belief - whether in Jesus, Shiva, UFO's, the Loch ness monster or white supremacy.

I am afraid to 'invite' Faith. It damages the capacity for reason.

[jenna]

Actually, IMO, unbelief is what damages the capacity for reason. Many skeptics and atheists are so set in their ways, they are incapable of reasoning that there might actually be a creator God. They absolutely refuse to listen to others POV. :2c:

[CHB]

I am afraid to 'invite' Faith. It damages the capacity for reason.

Trans,

You have faith that you don't even recognize.   :bigGrin: When you get in your car, do you worry about getting where you are going safely? If not, then you have faith. When you go to bed are you scared to death that you won't wake up the next morning? If not, you have faith. Do you worry about your family any? If not, you have faith. Are you afraid to die? If not you have faith.

You see, there are positives and negatives. Positive thinking is an act of faith, negative thinking is a lack of faith. Do you think negative all the time?

CHB

[Transponder]

Actually, IMO, unbelief is what damages the capacity for reason. Many skeptics and atheists are so set in their ways, they are incapable of reasoning that there might actually be a creator God. They absolutely refuse to listen to others POV. :2c:

Well, that, Jenna, points up what I mean about damaged reason. Reason shows that there are too many unknowns for anyone to go further than the possibility of an intelligent Creator of some kind. Reason also questions whether the attempts of humans to contact this creator through prayer, meditation or the like produced anything but an internal effect.

Reason further wonders why it should matter and why one can't take a purely independent stance rather than sign up to some kind of faith.

Reason further looks at the supportive evidence (as i have done here) and find it at best, inconclusive, at worst downright wrong. But still repeated, sometimes after being shown up as not that good, as though it was good evidence. That's what I mean by damaged reason. 

So I'd say it is your stance that is unreasonable in the end and your partiality means that you cannot help but see the reasons as an unreasoning rejection of what to you is obvious, because you believe it. That's what I mean by damaged reason.

[Transponder]

I am afraid to 'invite' Faith. It damages the capacity for reason.

Trans,

You have faith that you don't even recognize.   :bigGrin: When you get in your car, do you worry about getting where you are going safely? If not, then you have faith. When you go to bed are you scared to death that you won't wake up the next morning? If not, you have faith. Do you worry about your family any? If not, you have faith. Are you afraid to die? If not you have faith.

You see, there are positives and negatives. Positive thinking is an act of faith, negative thinking is a lack of faith. Do you think negative all the time?

CHB

I shall assume that you haven't read any refutations of this logical fallacy, though I suppose there have been some here.

The fallacy is equivocation - faith (through experience) with faith belief through personal beliefs; that is faith through evidence against faith without and in spite of evidence. I know I'm going to die sometime - maybe tomorrow. I could worry about it, but all I can do is to try to see I'm in good health.

Argument from Positive thinking is also a rhetorical trick. Let me show you how. Take your salary and place it on a horse. What? You don't want to risk it? Negative thinking.  The fact that that is quite a sensible rejection of long odds against severe financial damage (1)is no less so for being open to having the 'negative' label pinned to it.

You refuse to take drugs? Negative CHB. You go out clobberring passers - by rather than refuse to do so. That's positive!

See, Jenn, this is the damaged reasoning. Not only logical fallacy but ignorance (real or contrived) of the fact that this is a fallacious reasoning.

(1) I await you triumphant "Ha, but I actually won! That proves I'm right." response.