those in Sheol getting what they dished out to others?

[DavidFord]

This is a mind-blowing book.

_My Journey Beyond Beyond: An autobiographical record of deep calling to deep in pursuit of intimacy with God_ by Mike Parsons  (2018), 244pp., 206-208
https://www.amazon.com/My-Journey-Beyond-Autobiographical-Intimacy/dp/1789630088/
Jesus... gave me a silver trumpet and pointed towards a door that I had not seen there before. I asked, "Where did that door come from?" Smiling, Jesus said, "It has always been there, but your mind would not allow you to see it."

The door opened and we walked into a place I could only describe as fire but as I discovered myself, when engaging the fires of the judgment seat or the altar, this was also a manifestation of God who is a consuming fire. Fire is an expression of God's love, not punishment, and what I observed was multitudes of people standing consumed by fire, in anguish or torment of soul facing the reality of their life's choices. There were no demons or devils with pitchforks-- those ideas are more aligned with Dante's _Inferno_ and Hieronymus Bosch's paintings than the reality of what I was seeing-- and God was certainly not punishing, torturing or tormenting anyone either.  ....

I looked at Jesus and he was saying nothing. So rather tongue-tied and feebly I began to preach the good news. When I finished, Jesus turned to walk out and I thought "I am not staying here on my own." Noticing the silver trumpet in my hand, I thought I had better blow it, so on my way to the door I did so. We walked what seemed like a long way through the fiery tunnel and back through the door, which now had the appearance of a fiery sword. We turned towards the door and I saw that some people had followed us through the fire and as they approached the door, they kneeled and I heard them confess Jesus as Lord and walk through the door, entering through the gate into Zion.

I turned to look at Jesus and said "What have you done to me now? I am ruined! What am I supposed to say to people?" Jesus smiled again and said "Tell them that you are doing what I did, and that I have told everyone to do what I did and greater." ....
I have been back to the fire many times now for each of my family lines with varying degrees of success-- but tens of thousands have responded, accepting and confessing Jesus as Lord and joining the ranks of the cloud of witnesses. .... Since beginning to share this publicly as others are now doing, I have had many emails and messages thanking me because others have had similar experiences, but have been apprehensive to share them for fear of being branded a heretic.

[DavidFord]

245. What Jesus Did - 2 years ago
https://freedomarc.blog/2018/04/13/245-what-jesus-did/ 
Some years ago, I was a given a seal and staff and went through a door on Wisdom's heights. It was a tunnel of fire which opened into a place of extreme restriction and sadness: satan's trophy room. There I saw 3 things:
The sparkling diamond trophies of the destinies of those living and dead who had not believed the good news
Stolen mantles and crowns
An area of the heritage of my generational family lines

Now Jesus took me back there. He showed me the heritage area and I looked at the family line of my father's father.  Jesus said to me, "Do you want to see this restored?"  I asked "How?"

Into the fire
Then He showed me a door I had not seen when I came before. He explained that the door had been there all along, but my framework of beliefs would not allow me to see it. Then He gave me a silver heralding trumpet and we went through the door into the fire. There were thousands of people there from that part of my family line, not talking to one another; isolated individuals who appeared to be in anguish of soul. They were not being tormented; there was no devil there with a pitchfork or anything like that. They were there, on their own, in a place of consuming fire.

So I looked to Jesus, hoping He was going to do something. He just stood there looking right back at me. So eventually I preached the good news to them, though not very well! I felt rather tongue-tied and overwhelmed. Overwhelmed with love, actually, and of course completely unprepared. But at least I told them that they could accept Jesus and come out.

I figured Jesus must have given me the trumpet for a reason, so I blew it. He turned to walk out, and there was no way I was going to stay in there on my own, so I followed Him back through the tunnel of fire. I went through the door back to Wisdom's heights and this time I saw that the door was like a fiery sword (I knew that a fiery sword guards the way to the Tree of Life).

I looked back and a few hundred people had followed us to the door. As they approached I saw them kneel, I heard them confess Jesus as Lord and they walked out and through the gates into Zion.

Authority
I turned to Jesus. "What have you done to me? I'm in trouble now! How do I explain this?"
Jesus said "Just tell people that you are doing what I did -- and I told you to do what I did, and greater things. This is just the beginning".

I asked Jesus why so few of them had followed us out of the fire. If it was me and someone offered me a way out, I would have been out of there as fast as I could. This is what He told me:
"You can only preach with authority to the degree that the fire has consumed generational things in you. That is why not everyone responded. Keep presenting yourself to the fire of the altar and you will be able to reach more of your generational lines. Embrace the coals to touch areas of your life that have come from your generations; that will give you authority."

So I present myself as a living sacrifice on the altar in the temple every day.

Back again -- and again
Since that first time, I have been back to engage each of my 4 generational family lines and preached the good news to them. When I was in China in 2017 someone gave me a silver heralding trumpet just like the one Jesus had given me. One morning while I was there I woke at 3am and felt a strong desire to engage the altar and ask for the fiery coals to touch a specific area of behaviour, the area of divorce.

As I did, I began to feel intensely loving towards everyone in my generations who had been divorced, not angry or resentful, and I began forgiving them and blessing them. Once I finished I went to the fiery place again. I preached to all my generational lines with boldness, blew the silver trumpet and this time many more responded. They followed me out, came to the door, confessed Jesus as Lord and went through.

Later, on a Sunday morning here at Freedom as I was embracing the fire another area surfaced. I again went back and preached with renewed boldness and once again many more responded. Another time, I wondered what it might be like if I took communion down into the fire. So I went back there and offered communion, the body and blood of Jesus, to those who were in the fire. Yet again, many responded!

More recently I became aware that there were many in that place with fractured souls, what we sometimes call "stuck parts", mostly caused by trauma in their lives. They were double-minded, triple-minded or worse and were unable to make a decision to follow Jesus. So I asked Jesus to come with me and I told them they could come to the Prince of Peace (shalom means "wholeness") and be made whole. Vast numbers of them did so.

My strong desire is to empty that place, but for that to happen I need to embrace the fire myself. I need to be good news and demonstrate that good news in my own life.

I have now had many experiences of going into the place of fire both for personal refining and on rescue missions. The fire of God is for purifying and refining and removing all the dross in people's lives. They are waiting for someone to come and share the good news with them.

Testimony
One day, before I even mentioned this publicly, a friend I meet with online said he had something to share with me. He had been engaging in heaven when some of his family members came up to him. He was surprised and said "I didn't know you were believers in Jesus!" And they said, "We weren't. But we remembered that you said your whole household would be saved, and Jesus came and preached the good news to us, and that's why we are here."  This really did not fit my friend's theological box, as he put it. He was encouraged when I then shared my experiences too.

Since then (and especially after this topic cropped up in several of my regular online mentoring groups) I have had conversations with others and I have heard many testimonies of people who have gone into the fire and preached the good news as Jesus did. After I shared this in the Vision Destiny 2017 series I had a number of emails from people thanking me for opening up the discussion as they had been afraid of sharing their experiences because of the reaction they knew it would cause (a reaction I have experienced for myself).

[DavidFord]

Q: Why would it had been better if Judas was never born if even he is saved by Jesus?
A: Hell is a very unpleasant place to be.  A stillborn baby goes right to heaven.  Judas died and made a trip to hell.  Who knows, maybe he's still there.  But even Judas will eventually be in heaven, if he isn't there already. 

[jugghead]

It is this believers opinion that if we understand that what they did was evil along with the understanding they are receiving back the same for what they did, it goes against what Jesus taught "do not repay evil for evil"

It just doesn't make sense to me that those who torment will be tormented.

But again, this is just my opinion

[DavidFord]

It just doesn't make sense to me that those who torment will be tormented.

Does this make sense?:

Colossians 3:25 (NIV), https://biblehub.com/colossians/3-25.htm
Anyone who does wrong will be repaid for their wrongs, and there is no favoritism.

Proverbs 14:14 (NIV), https://biblehub.com/proverbs/14-14.htm
The faithless will be fully repaid for their ways, and the good rewarded for theirs.

Proverbs 13:21 (NIV), https://biblehub.com/proverbs/13-21.htm
Trouble pursues the sinner, but the righteous are rewarded with good things.

Revelation 18:6 (NIV), https://biblehub.com/revelation/18-6.htm
Give back to her as she has given; pay her back double for what she has done.
Pour her a double portion from her own cup.

Matthew 7:2 (NIV), https://biblehub.com/matthew/7-2.htm
For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged,
and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

Galatians 6:7 (NIV), https://biblehub.com/galatians/6-7.htm
Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows.

[DavidFord]

Many of the dead suffer, and the living can help them.

_Healing the Family Tree_ (1999) by Kenneth McAll 
https://www.amazon.com/Healing-Family-Tree-Kenneth-McAll/dp/0859695328/
The author explains how through his medical and religious experiences he has discovered another method of healing. He believes that many supposedly "incurable" patients are the victims of ancestral control. He therefore seeks to liberate them from this control. By drawing up a family tree he can identify the ancestor who is causing his patient harm. He then cuts the bond between the ancestor and the patient by celebrating, with a clergyman, a service of Holy Communion in which he delivers the tormented ancestor to God.

Re: the nature of hell, do you think it: 
is a place of never-ending torture? 
serves a beneficial purpose that ultimately is for the good of those that go there?

Do you think Jesus has burdened his followers with the well-being of the living?
Do you think Jesus:
exercised god-like power?
wants his followers to imitate him in exercising god-like power for the benefit of others?

"ceased, just as Paul said they would"
Reference?
Was Jesus mistaken in saying this?:

John 14:12 (NIV) Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.

Supposedly, in the 1st third of the 1900s, Sadhu Sundar Singh met a guy in the Himalayas who was a close relative of someone converted by Francis Xavier-- 400+ years earlier.
Apparently in the documentary movie series that includes "Finger of God," in some of the bonus material, someone says he met someone deep in the forest (of the Amazon?) who was praying as God led him, and he was 140+ years old.

[DavidFord]

"there is no hell"
Has anyone ever been in a hellish realm?

Luke 16 (Aramaic Bible in Plain English), biblehub
19 "There was a certain rich man, and he wore fine white linen and purple and everyday he celebrated luxuriously." 20 "And there was a certain poor man whose name was Lazar and he lay at the gate of that rich man, being stricken with abscesses." 21 "And he longed to fill his belly with the fragments that fell from the rich man's table, but also the dogs would come licking his abscesses." 22 "But that poor man died and Angels brought him to The Bosom of Abraham. And the rich man also died and he was buried."
23 *"And suffering in Sheol, he lifted up his eyes from afar off and he saw Abraham, and Lazar in his bosom." 24 "And he called in a loud voice and he said, 'My father, Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazar to dip the tip of his finger in water and moisten my tongue for me; behold, I am suffering in this flame.' "*

[DavidFord]

A Course in Miracles -- Chapter 2 -- III. The Altar of God
https://acourseinmiraclesnow.com/course-miracles-chapter-2-iii-altar-god/
T-2.III.3. The acceptance of the Atonement by everyone is only a matter of time. 2 This may appear to contradict free will because of the inevitability of the final decision, but this is not so. 3 You can temporize and you are capable of enormous procrastination, but you cannot depart entirely from your Creator, Who set the limits on your ability to miscreate. 4 An imprisoned will engenders a situation which, in the extreme, becomes altogether intolerable. 5 Tolerance for pain may be high, but it is not without limit. 6 Eventually everyone begins to recognize, however dimly, that there must be a better way. 7 As this recognition becomes more firmly established, it becomes a turning point. 8 This ultimately reawakens spiritual vision, simultaneously weakening the investment in physical sight. 9 The alternating investment in the two levels of perception is usually experienced as conflict, which can become very acute. 10 But the outcome is as certain as God.

[darryl]

John Milton (imagining the mind of the Devil) - "It is better to rule in Hell than serve in Heaven"

The Bible (according to Revelation 20:10) '...and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulphur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.'

(and Matthew 8:29) 'And behold, they cried out, "What have you to do with us, O Son of God? Have you come here to torment us before the time?"'

The Devil is not in Hell to rule it or to continue to torment those He deceived and tormented on Earth. Neither so are the demons. Hell is exclusively a place of torment and none but torment has any authority over others there. It is possible that this is represented, for a time, by the presence in the Lake of Fire of Death and Hades but no the suggestion that demons torment people in Hell is not Biblical.

the torment may be the fire o Gods LOVE burning away dross, filth, decay...same the WORM....worms eat decaying flesh....not VINDICTIVE torment/ torture for Gods PLEASURE...NO...NEVER !...btw, HELL word isnt in Bible, its GEHENNA.

[DavidFord]

Young Criminal Attempts Suicide, Leaves His Body, Enters "Hell"-- And Is Shown the Errors of His Ways
https://www.theepochtimes.com/young-criminal-attempts-suicide-leaves-his-body-enters-hell-and-is-shown-the-errors-of-his-ways_4768925.html
A spirit being took his hand and pulled him away. He could see his own body and a doctor and nurse working to revive him. The being took him into a "column of light." At first, he was in a place that he thought was heaven, with cloud-like walls. There he saw his grandmother.

Then suddenly, he was in a foul-smelling field with people who had jackal faces. A demonic creature grabbed him and brought him to a place with a bunch of cubes stacked up.
The demonic creature told him that each person gets a custom-made hell.
"He told me this was hell, and in every cube was a custom-made hell for every soul," Jeffrey said. "He explained that people adapt to every kind of hell, and some people are more tolerant of some things than others, so hell is ever changing. He took great joy out of watching people suffer."
Jeffrey was sucked into one of the cubes, where people fed him rank food and laughed.

Then he was shown flashes of all the bad things he had ever done. "I was being put into other people's shoes as I was doing bad things to them," he said. "I could see how insensitive I was to people and didn't even know it. It was excruciating and overwhelming to relive things that I had forgotten about, or just didn't care about. I was made to feel the way I made others feel."
....
"I began to sob quietly as the flashes of my evil ways rushed in, and I heard a voice. It said, "If you ask him, maybe he will save you."
Jeffrey pleaded again and again for salvation.
He was brought before a spiritual being who asked what brought him there. Jeffrey replied that the world is not fair and he didn't want to be a part of it anymore.  ....  The being explained that Jeffrey had begged to be born into the material world, and had even chosen when and to whom he would be born.
....
He was then shown future events, including how he would break his back and how that would impact him. These things later came true.
He was told that he had chosen these things for a reason before he was born, aware of the consequences, and he must return to finish them. He didn?t want to go back, but as he returned to his body he felt comfort and peace from God.