What happens when we die?

[sheila]

 :2c:  Bex..even if a man of [carnal mind of a beast] fall in a ditch [blind=3 days of darkness]on the Sabbath he is got out. :thumbsup:

many mens 3 days journey in the wilderness of this earth have been a groping about in the darkness...and lost..or they followed the

blind..and they both ended up in the ditch[been there..done that] :girlheart:

[rosered]

 I enjoyed this exchange very much , thank you all for sharing   , so helpful

the serpent mind is keeping us'' bound up ''in  disobedience /rebellion and  DEATH .

the keys to the kingdom is all about   MERCY setting  the prisoners free  by the TRUTH

  the Lord Jesus Christ is that key  by that CROSS  that opens HEAVEN !!!    :2c:

:HeartThrob:

[marie glen]

He is creating a world and reality where ALL will be love, and ALL ruled by Love.. by Him / Love :cloud9: (no room in that for eternal conscious torment for sure! ..and I don't believe in any sort of temporary torture either) :gsmile:

We may differ in our thoughts on how His program (administration) is administered.. rolled out.. proceeds and is fulfilled.. But we are agreed on the end result! :friendstu: :cloud9: :thumbsup:

What I am referring to is not a "temporary torture", we are told we will eat of the fruit of our OWN LIPS and be reproved with our OWN wickedness. He doesn't inflict anything, we do it to ourselves, reaping what was sown in our own soul, but indeed we do have a Redeemer of spirit, SOUL, and body and He comes to all in due season.....my  :2c: Blessings....

oh.. I didn't think you were.. we are in agreement, I believe, that any torment upon Judgment 'Day' is within.. And earthly judgments are (usually) results and consequences of ones own doings.. words, and thoughts.. I was just clarifying my own belief.. Sorry to not be clearer.. God bless! :gsmile:

[marie glen]

  Our spirits were 'firstborn' in heaven [stars] on the fourth creation day. Allof Father's spirit infants fell to the earth whenHe sowed ...

Do you have a, or scriptures which cause you to believe that? thanks..

[marie glen]

Sisters, how do you interpret 1 Tim.6:16 - "He alone is immortal.."

"The wages of sin is death" - I understand so many believe this to be not death itself.. I've always thought that's how hell crept in so easily.

I can't help thinking if the idea of human inherent immortality didn't exist, neither would the idea of hell.

The Hebrews via the OT (not their Talmudic myths, which Jesus poked fun of with the Lazarus and rich man parable?) did not believe in human immortality but the grave (dust of, ps.30, etc) but the nations did.. via torment for all those disobedient citizens..

no immortal soul (psyche) = no hell.

And lof as man's doings, results, consequences fully mushroomed at Armageddon which Jesus returns in the midst of lest all perish.. (again, no hell) 2 Thess.1:7-8

[the other 2 mentions in Rev. are the final defeat of the adversary; and at the "all, in all" event at Rev.21:1-5]

And voila! With those 2 (truths?) hell vanishes..

Please forgive if my post causes any sort of stress.. I have never understood a 'biblically' based idea of inherent immortality.. and I have always blamed it for the hell myth.. as its support..
   :Peace2: :girlheart: :HeartThrob:

[rosered]

Sisters, how do you interpret 1 Tim.6:16 - "He alone is immortal.."

"The wages of sin is death" - I understand so many believe this to be not death itself.. I've always thought that's how hell crept in so easily.

I can't help thinking if the idea of human inherent immortality didn't exist, neither would the idea of hell.

The Hebrews via the OT (not their Talmudic myths, which Jesus poked fun of with the Lazarus and rich man parable?) did not believe in human immortality but the grave (dust of, ps.30, etc) but the nations did.. via torment for all those disobedient citizens..

no immortal soul (psyche) = no hell.

And lof as man's doings, results, consequences fully mushroomed at Armageddon which Jesus returns in the midst of lest all perish.. (again, no hell) 2 Thess.1:7-8

[the other 2 mentions in Rev. are the final defeat of the adversary; and at the "all, in all" event at Rev.21:1-5]

And voila! With those 2 (truths?) hell vanishes..

Please forgive if my post causes any sort of stress.. I have never understood a 'biblically' based idea of inherent immortality.. and I have always blamed it for the hell myth.. as its support..
   :Peace2: :girlheart: :HeartThrob:

  No stress to me sister Marie ,
   Had the grandsons all day and could not post ........

  This is just my own faith  , everyone can  have their own beliefs
  But   do not mind sharing  mine

When it says He alone is IMMORTAL   ,,,   in the context 15 which God will bring about in his own time—God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16 who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen.

  1 John 4:12
No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God remains in us, and His love is perfected in us.


I am convinced we are a part of the being born again of the incorruptible seed  , being His offspring and  having the Christ in you the hope of Glory is the  putting on the immortality
    because in Him He holds everything together in him and by him and for Him , nothing was made that was not made   COL 3

are we immortal in the sense of   after death of the body[no flesh inherits anything but death ]  .......    the soul and spirit lives on because it is GODS  substance  and nature

1 Corinthians 15:53-55(AMPC)
53 For this perishable [part of us] must put on the imperishable [nature], and this mortal [part of us, this nature that is capable of dying] must put on immortality (freedom from death).

54 And when this perishable puts on the imperishable and this that was capable of dying puts on freedom from death, then shall be fulfilled the Scripture that says, Death is swallowed up (utterly vanquished forever) in and unto victory.

55 O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting?

I believe Jesus when He says some  have passed from death to Life already  and have put on immortality and will never die     

  John 11 ...25Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me will live, even though he dies. 26And everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?"
and He alone gives immortal/ETERNAL   life to whom ever he wants to..


JOHN 3 15that everyone who believes in Him may have eternal life.

16For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.

17For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him....
:HeartThrob:

[Ross]

I believe Jesus when He says some  have passed from death to Life already  and have put on immortality and will never die     

1 John 3;14 " We KNOW that we have passed FROM death TO life because we love the brothers."

1 John 3;24 " And this is how we KNOW that HE lives in us; by the spirit which He has GIVEN us."

1 John 4;1 " Dear friends do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to find out whether they are from God,
                   because many false prophets have gone out into the world."

We live amongst those false spirits today.

1 John 4;13-15 " By this we know that we live in God and He in us because He has given us of His spirit.
                         And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent His Son as the savior of the world.
                         If anyone confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in him and he in God."

This is the key to the reality of what we have been taught about who Christ actually is and what He has done.
Many churches talk about Jesus, which I.M.O is the start of their coming to understand.
Been there, done that.
Then Paul makes one of those interesting observations to the Corinthians after he has written to them about love and how to live;

2 Cor 13;5 " Examine yourselves to see if you are in the faith.
                   Test yourselves.
                   Or do you not realize Christ is in you- unless of course you fail the test?"

I.M.O this is the teachings about the Ecclesia/chosen who know the truth.
We are in Christ's faith, not our own, and are starting to see everything from His perspective as we grow in His faith.
Hence it is no longer I who lives, but Christ who lives in me.
This is the one faith, one body... Christ alone.
We become immortal when He reveals and teaches us. This differentiates between the spirit of life, which all living creatures have, and the Holy Spirit which He gives us at our appointed time. Just like physical birth happens when the seed is planted, the same for the spiritual birth.

I.M.O this is why we no longer hate anyone, just their actions. We know that they to will come to the resurrection and life, just like we have, when Christ speaks and deals with them- heaps of that in the coming ages.

1 Cor 2;14-16 " The natural man DOES NOT RECEIVE THE THINGS OF THE SPIRIT OF GOD,
                        for they are foolish to him;
                        HE CANNOT UNDERSTAND THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE SPIRITUALLY DISCERNED.
                        BUT THE SPIRITUAL PERSON DISCERNS ALL THINGS,
                        and is not himself subject to anyone's scrutiny.
                        For who has know the mind of Christ so as to advise Him?
                         But we have the mind of Christ."

[rosered]

 
  Thanks Ross amazing !  I do not think GOD is a respecter of persons  ever at all , eternal life is the FREE GIFT OF GOD , not earned , but mercy and grace  by GOD s own power  demonstrated though JESUS CHRIST/THE LOVE OF GOD manifested  to us ,  pouring out His  Spirit   on all flesh .

  I   do see eternal life  / always  and immortality /incorruptible  as being the same   thing not subject to death or decay; everlasting.

John 10;28   27My sheep listen to My voice; I know them, and they follow Me. 28I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them out of My hand. 29My Father who has given them to Me is greater than all. No one can snatch them out of My Father's hand....

   I see it as the promise   in Christ  as a new creation given immortal/eternal life  from HIS  death is the last enemy ALREADY WON  , BECAUSE HE DID FINISHED THIS WORK ON THE CROSS 
being dead before in sin  is  all mankind / adam  and now alive in Christ as a new creation by His own Power to save the world


Ephesian 2 5 Even when we were dead (slain) by [our own] shortcomings and trespasses, He made us alive together in fellowship and in union with Christ; [He gave us the very life of Christ Himself, the same new life with which He quickened Him, for] it is by grace (His favor and mercy which you did not deserve) that you are saved (delivered from judgment and made partakers of Christ's salvation).

6 And He raised us up together with Him and made us sit down together [giving us joint seating with Him] in the heavenly sphere [by virtue of our being] in Christ Jesus (the Messiah, the Anointed One).

7 He did this that He might clearly demonstrate through the ages to come the immeasurable (limitless, surpassing) riches of His free grace (His unmerited favor) in [His] kindness and goodness of heart toward us in Christ Jesus.

8 For it is by free grace (God's unmerited favor) that you are saved (delivered from judgment and made partakers of Christ's salvation) through [your] faith. And this [salvation] is not of yourselves [of your own doing, it came not through your own striving], but it is the gift of God;

9 Not because of works [not the fulfillment of the Law's demands], lest any man should boast. [It is not the result of what anyone can possibly do, so no one can pride himself in it or take glory to himself.]

10 For we are God's [own] handiwork (His workmanship), recreated in Christ Jesus, [born anew] that we may do those good works which God predestined (planned beforehand) for us [taking paths which He prepared ahead of time], that we should walk in them [living the good life which He prearranged and made ready for us to live].

Strong's G166 - aiōnios
αἰώνιος
Transliteration

aiōnios

Pronunciation

ī-ō'-nē-os (Key)


Part of Speech

adjective
Root Word (Etymology)

From αἰών (G165)

Outline of Biblical Usage
without beginning and end, that which always has been and always will be

without beginning

without end, never to cease, everlasting

Strong's G861 - aphtharsia
ἀφθαρσία
Transliteration

aphtharsia

Pronunciation

ä-fthär-sē'-ä (Key)


Part of Speech

feminine noun
Root Word (Etymology)

From ἄφθαρτος (G862)

outline of Biblical Usage
incorruption, perpetuity

purity, sincerity, incorrupt   

I see this as the  WORD of truth  by the Spirit of Truth setting us  ALL  free    in  the Lord Jesus Christ IN ALL because by Him and though HIM does everything exist and without Him nothing does exist  ! 
     this is what changed my own mind  a   long while  ago

4There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; 5one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all....

1 Corinthians 8:6
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we exist. And there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we exist.

Ephesians 4:13
until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God, as we mature to the full measure of the stature of Christ.

I do believe  GOD does have mercy on all   ,  the mercy seat is the  key to understanding Gods will that none should perish

and understanding the DAY OF THE LORD and the making of  the children of ONE  DAY  , The DAY    2Peter The Day of the Lord
...8Beloved, do not let this one thing escape your notice: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

9The Lord is not slow to fulfill His promise as some understand slowness, but is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish but everyone to come to repentance.

10But the Day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar, the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and its works will be laid bare....

   for me , Repentance   is found  when  every knee will bow and tongue confess the LORD JESUS CHRIST SEEING HIM AS HE IS  :HeartThrob:
the HOLY ONE   till  it be known   as  God being  all in all ...    :HeartThrob:   this is my    faith   believing openly  expressed  in the power of GOD   to save  anyone any time and anywhere  He chooses to do so  :2c:

[sheila]

Genesis1;14-19...stars created[mens spirits]

   Secrets of Enoch ch 25..the visible and invisble comes down[see bride descending from heaven...Rev 21;2]

   SOE ch 30 4-6

    SOE 30;12 I conceived a cunning saying to say,I created man from invisible and visible nature,

                     OF BOTH ARE HIS DEATH AND LIFE AND IMAGE

    1 Cor 15;35-50....as we have born the image of the earthly,we shall also bear the image of the heavenly


   we are both fearfully and wonderfully made.

   Basically mans spirit is made in the image of God..and TOL is our natural family tree...we are spirit creatures/children of God...our

  natural spirit has God's divine nature

Jesus granted we live from it.   TOKOGAE is ADAM/man of flesh..what is visible...corruptible image...that God's spiritual seed is sown in

   there is no law against LOVE...GOD IS LOVE...and our spirits are conceived in LOVE.

   for those awake/spiritualy quickened while here in flesh..our challenge is too 'rule over" the evil contrast/subject it to Christ and

bring forth the love nature/spirit visibly-good of TOKOGAE[God only good-thus good works.

Jesus said..make the tree good or make the tree evil....and we know from the beginning God's stated purpose of making man in HIS

image and likeness=TOL..mans metamorphesusor "CHANGED" til then we wrestle with sin/the adversary for reign over this weakened

corruptible vessel[body of death] Jesus come down and fulfilled the law covenant[TOKOGAE-and showed us the goodness of God..let

us know any failure with wrestling the adversary[sin] while in this weak corruptible vessel would not result in our losing the freegift

of eternallife..that God was not counting it against our spirit life. However, the devil on the loose and not restrained would bring us

great woe.Keep His commandments...don't fear the death of this temporal body of death..or satans accusations and desire to have

our spirits destroyed eternally..or tortured after we rise..for any failure while in this weakend corruptible body of death.He has

shown mercy unto His sons that serve him. God granted Jesus to have life in HIMSELF[tol]AND TO GIVE IT FREELEY UNTO ALL MEN

to comfort them in the midstof their suffering the wickedness and evil in this world.He also left us a perfect example of what pleases

our Father..and showed us by laying down our lives in this world...the way HOME UNTO OUR FATHER. That we should be merciful

unto all men also...in their suffering..that if one member of the body suffer,so do we all.To relieve,encourage,forgive,comfort one another

as best we can. To pray for any fellowman that satan has gained control over and is using in a wicked way todo his will. :2c:

   But resist satan..exercise self-control and do your utmost to be a vessel for honourable use

[marie glen]

Amen, we should seek to show ourselves approved by every word of God..

I think it's possible BELIEVERS have immortality now, and put on the body at His return.. "put on immortality" - of course many think His return is an individual thing (?) not so much gobal?

But those not saved are STILL "perishing".

     NO inherent immortality (b4 redemption) ='s NO hell, or even holding cell..

So it's ok if we disagree - as to the state of the saved dead.

BUT human inherent immortality - BEFORE RECONCILIATION - I think directly contradicts God's words.. "He alone is immortal."

I also think the gray area called afterlife keeps UR from being obvious. :sigh:

[rosered]

Amen, we should seek to show ourselves approved by every word of God..

I think it's possible BELIEVERS have immortality now, and put on the body at His return.. "put on immortality" - of course many think His return is an individual thing (?) not so much gobal?

But those not saved are STILL "perishing".

     NO inherent immortality (b4 redemption) ='s NO hell, or even holding cell..

So it's ok if we disagree - as to the state of the saved dead.

BUT human inherent immortality - BEFORE RECONCILIATION - I think directly contradicts God's words.. "He alone is immortal."

I also think the gray area called afterlife keeps UR from being obvious. :sigh:

sister Marie , you are right about UR being   the hidden treasure  of the heart .

  I just believe many  are saved though death by being the last enemy 

FROM  Jesus Christ being the immortal ONE /Resurrection = Basically   OUR Everything  =Total  SUM 

the total amount resulting from the addition of two or more numbers, amounts, or items.
"the sum of two prime numbers"   
synonyms:   total, sum total, grand total, tally, aggregate, summation, gross; answer

  Being both the LORD of the dead and the Living =  total sum

Matthew 28:18
Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.

John 12:24
Truly, truly, I tell you, unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains only a seed; but if it dies, it bears much fruit.

Romans 10:9
that if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.


I believe the Spirit moves  in hearts that the flesh does not have   a clue about  and yes , I am one whom sees it   as individually

  an example ;  God  made it impossible for us to judge by appearances .or what seems to be .

  you have 3 different people and one type of pill

  what might heal one , will cause the other to not be effected at all ,and it might kill the last one

It is impossible  to judge  everything   as good  or evil of itself  .

  But we have this amazing faith in God given to us   by the perfect sacrifice   already  made and grace that carries us  though this life , most are not awakened  fully  to yet .......   :HeartThrob:

[sheila]

 :2c:TWO TREES in the garden....TOKOGAE=flesh man Adam[sinner.]...TOL-spirit man/Christ.

   2 Esdras 8;6O Lord above us,grant to your servant that we may pray before you,andgive us a seed for our heart and cultivation

of our understanding..so that fruit may be produced,by which every mortal who bears the likeness of a human being may be able 

to live,[the seed of the woman prophecy]  As Eve was known as the mother of all the living..as it pertains unto all in Adam. So,too,

Jerusalem Above is the Mother of all our spirits TOL.WISDOM FROM ABOVE,EMBRACE HER,SHE IS A TREE OF LIFE

[rosered]

Amen Shelia !

  The wisdom for above is only known  and felt in the heart  by the few now , but we eagerly await  for the total revealing of   the glory of God !
  I really do not believe it is possible for any one to understand the heavy weight of being  flesh and blood  and all its weaknesses and temptations  and flaws  and just how much that satans  adversarial  ability to  destroy  such good .
  Paul knew it  by the Holy Spirit witness  , the good that he wanted to do  in his heart was  staunched by the body of death still working in him   in Romans 7   the present evil still in his flesh  making him miserable . 
  but faith in Jesus CHRIST to deliver him fully was yet to be made known .   in each and everyone whom has suffered  in both doing good and evil
  Jesus come to make an open show of how it works in mankind and made a way  out  and stop the works of satan

Just as the old testament shows us  the fear of death  kept many in the dark .
  But the Father in His great mercy   sent us  His   one of a kind Son  to show us all  we shall all be gathered up into HIMSELF .
in   IMMORTAL  LIFE .

[Cardinal]

:2c:  Bex..even if a man of [carnal mind of a beast] fall in a ditch [blind=3 days of darkness]on the Sabbath he is got out. :thumbsup:

many mens 3 days journey in the wilderness of this earth have been a groping about in the darkness...and lost..or they followed the

blind..and they both ended up in the ditch[been there..done that] :girlheart:

EXACTLY, the FULLNESS of the 3 days of darkness IS the full reaping of the fruit of our own lips and by our own wickedness that we are reproved by, and the Sabbath, He who IS the Sabbath will and does come at the appointed time to set the souls free to come back into union with the spirit, that IS the first resurrection. You can't resurrect unless you first die, and the earth is where the souls of the dead (sin is weighty) go to be resurrected FROM, BUT has nothing to do with any pagan ideas of hell. The idea that the initial salvation prayer gives all of our composition (the spirit is what is saved initially) a free ticket to heaven, is in error, and runs counter to pressing in for the sanctification work of the Spirit, ie. work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. We are saved spirit, soul, and body, in that order.

What I shared,  I didn't dream this up on my own, I EXPERIENCED it totally unexpectedly, with witnesses to what was happening to the spiritual things, the entire 5 hours worth of time, and afterward when we all recovered from the shock of it all, He gave understanding. I did ask Him following the passing of my mother to tell me the truth of what happens after we die, no fairy tales. About 5 months later, what I am recounting was His answer to that prayer.

We can "know" all sorts of things, know the Word from cover to cover, but it's purpose is to cause us to EXPERIENCE all of it by His Spirit, making us also part of the Word made flesh (celestial).  This is the bottom line reason I have experienced so many miraculous healings like having my eyesight restored 2 years ago to perfect at age 60, my knees which were bone on bone healed after that, my high BP also now gone and I quit the med, and you know of some of the earlier ones, cancer, crushed elbow, 4 ruptured discs, ect. It's His will that as we obey the Word we BECOME the Word, as we sup with Him, He sups with us, consuming all that is not like Him. His doctrines produce His life, the life of the Spirit, in which no sickness dwells. I share these things only to edify and encourage someone to step out in faith, not fear, of anything He chooses to do with us. Blessings..

[rosered]

  I  agree  :dsunny: :HeartThrob: !  the fruit of our lips is from the heart   and what is ruling  over it,  becomes obvious  .:HeartThrob:   

we do go in and out of the Spirit   :dsunny: :HeartThrob:  the goal is to walk in the Holy Spirit  completely.
  when we become aware of   what is   working in us  , we crave more of GOD /LOVE   and less and less of the  corrupt and evil things that stumble our walk with God ..

   :HeartThrob:  I LOVE you all  and thank God for you !   and His holy help .

[Cardinal]

  I  agree  :dsunny: :HeartThrob: !  the fruit of our lips is from the heart   and what is ruling  over it,  becomes obvious  .:HeartThrob:   

we do go in and out of the Spirit   :dsunny: :HeartThrob:  the goal is to walk in the Holy Spirit  completely.
  when we become aware of   what is   working in us  , we crave more of GOD /LOVE   and less and less of the  corrupt and evil things that stumble our walk with God ..

   :HeartThrob:  I LOVE you all  and thank God for you !   and His holy help .

Amen. The soul is our own stony heart, just as Eve was Adam's. He took her out of him so he could see face to face what was in his own heart. He did the same thing when He took the Hebrews out into the desert wilderness (wilderness of sin) to show them what was in their own hearts. The stony heart is also the mountain that if we have faith can be cast into the sea (of humanity). As we overcome and are freed from the things that have our souls bound, those things are cast out into the "outer court" of humanity, where they have  legal right to attach to them. That is why we cannot judge them via condemnation because they are only doing in the natural realm what they see the spiritual priesthood  (those made to be one with the Head) "do" (if you have lust in your heart) in their heart. Therefore, as we become more and more of His light as the Daystar arises and overcomes all of His enemies IN OUR HEART, it gets darker and darker, "out there". Conversely, the mountain they didn't overcome becomes the very thing they will want to hide under in the day of His coming, but it will not work, just as it didn't work for Adam. Adam did not rule over his own heart/soul, did not cast the mountain, and his judgment is the same as our own soul if we do the same, ie. your ground/soul will bring forth "thorns and thistles", which she did in bearing Cain. A little leaven leveneth the whole lump. Cain is representative of the flesh that wars continually against the Spirit, and the desire to bring forth offerings of the flesh, lifeless offerings (no shedding of blood). Blessings....

[rosered]

  Thanks and get it  to a certain degree ,

not fully to be honest with myself and others also .   surly death is still working in me  as is Life until  the battle is over and done
   
Moses was chosen out of the world  by God to  show us mankind cannot keep the commandments ,even death come to Moses in the end

  I can see Moses & covenant being  the law was established , & prophets  coming after as also a type and shadow of the good things to come   out of the law of knowledge of good and evil   that is the open show  of the ministration of death
  Death must come first for the new Life to begin 
When Moses went to the mountain to be alone  with God and stand on holy ground , GODS  presence and wrote the ten commandments  on two tables of stone  ,a divided heart .

When he come down off that mountain  , He saw the wickedness of the people and broke  the tables of stone   or every law

  because if you break one law you broke them all ...   but he had yet to experience  it  though all the  earthly life  he was going to go though .
  you die without mercy under  this judgement  by  two or 3 witnesses  .  heaven and earth  , God and mankind ,  and than   there is Jesus   and the promise of another Day.  and cannot enter the promised land .  the disputing of the body of moses  by   Michael , to fight for the dead  as  holding them in captivity by  contending with the devil  , said the LORD rebuke you satan ! a day chosen by God   to  make known  in  Jesus Christ the light of the world  and salvation  of all  , being both the Lord of the dead and the living .   the glimpse  of hope  was   written  in the transfiguration  of Christ and the tabernacles  of 3 being all summed up into ONE  JESUS CHRIST .

  Jesus was the  One who openly showed us  on His cross  mercy  without judgment  and it was His body [the promised land that the good and perfect will come though  and no evil can enter  ever though  ] and  another day   that everything would be fulfilled  and finished up   and completed  in  , though and by   Himself the WORD OF GOD made flesh   and the ministry of reconciliation  as the love for mankind  and GOD are ONE  faith and one hope and one baptism  new Life from death   Gods way and by and though and because of Himself  and will not be any boasting  on mankind's part what so ever .

  By the Love of God  towards all mankind   though His one of a kind Son .   Whom was and is and will always be the resurrection and the Life  and Sabbath rest  ,  we rest in hope  and wait on the LORD  to do the works by labouring in   the same Love of God  by the Lord of harvests.
    this is only my own simple   understanding  that comforts  me  , if the law is written in our hearts of flesh it must be JESUS  BODY  /celestial  in nature    that makes this happen  though and by and for  Gods glory in earth as it is in heaven  that all can  be thankful for the  marvelous works of  obedience to GODS desire  as being our own desire also ,  the salvation of all .

struggling against sin  and error  and not producing it  from the good and evil tree ,but eat from the tree of Life that we might have Life in us also  , eat my body and drink my blood , life is in the blood of JESUS CHRIST and covering or protection   from the evil to come .

  we wait on the Lord and keep silent , this is something  I must learn to do much better than before  , hold your tongue and hold your peace  against evil  forces  , the cry for revenge is great during the  troubled times we are upon as was the days of old .

  the wise keep silent during the times of trouble   and where  many have failed the test by their mouth ... Amos 5 A Call to Repentance
...12 For I know your transgressions are many and your sins are innumerable. You oppress the righteous, taking bribes and depriving the poor of justice at the gates.

13 Therefore, the prudent keep silent in such times, for the days are evil.

14 Seek good, not evil, so that you may live. And the LORD, the God of Hosts, will be with you, as you have claimed....

 
the tongue is an unruly little member    that cannot be tamed James 3 , we must let the Holy Spirit  speak   only   though us  , just as Jesus showed us  , He never spoke a Word that was HIS  but the FATHERS ONLY  .. 

The dragons voice is the accuser   and tempter  and hates   all that is called by God   2 Thess 2

3Let no one deceive you in any way, for it will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness—the son of destruction—is revealed. 4He will oppose and exalt himself above every so-called god or object of worship. So he will seat himself in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. 5Do you not remember that I told you these things while I was still with you?...

its all here to be warned about  and take heed to , now to  ask GOD to keep us from the wicked one for sure  lest  i/any  be cast off also .   as a branch to be burned in the fire of God consuming jealousy .

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 :cloud9: Thanks for sharing this, Rose, something hit me to chew on.....love it when that happens..... :HeartThrob: :gimmefive: