we are the lake of fire!?

claypot · March 23, 2019, 01:52:46 PM

Something within me is telling me that believers are the lake of fire. Believers are a little flock and when taken as a whole are a lake. Believers are sons and daughters of our God who is a consuming fire which makes believers little consuming fires. Put believers all together and they make up a lake, a small body of water, but this body body of water is more of a body of little consuming fires that leads to the final death of anything not life thus the second/final death.

Has this thought ever been discussed on this forum? If so can i get some links?

When Jesus told the guy to go wash in the pool of siloam jn 9.7 the man was washed/cured. Being cast into the lake of fire, given over to believers, will be an excrutiating ordeal where there will be much crying and torment because being loved with a love that rips a heart of stone out and replaces it with a heart of flesh can be a tough road.

Baptism via immersion also comes to mind. Being submerged into a 'lake' and then coming up clean is what I am seeing is the purpose of the lake of fire.

Can you imagine an unbeliever being cast into a 'lake' of believers who are pure and totally motivated to love like love has never been expressed before?

just thinking out loud here.

claypot

FineLinen · March 23, 2019, 02:40:01 PM

Dear Claypot: When you get an opportunity and some time, explore what theion is in koine and in what theion is rooted. Our God is consuming fire, and our God is the Lake of Fire & Divinity.

Brimstone= theion

Theion rooted in Theos

The Consuming Fire -George MacDonald-

http://www.online-literature.com/george-macdonald/unspoken-sermons/2/

claypot · March 23, 2019, 03:00:03 PM

i have studied that and i am a student of George McDonald.

I believe the lake of fire is made up of our God who is a consuming fire and we, as His children, are also made up of Him so when you put us all together we make up a 'lake' of fire????

rosered · March 23, 2019, 03:32:58 PM

I do believe the nature of Gods holiness is the consuming fire and when Baptised in Holy Spirit & fire ,being dipped in this

starts within us whom do believe . and like the ripple effect it does begin to effect others .

I thought of Peters testimony about how judgement begins in the house of God being in our lives and to become pure as Christ is pure and how we share with others the truth and if the refuse , just like Jesus going to the town to heal and restore and they refused him , and James and john being called the sons of thunder , by Jesus and telling them they did not know what manner of spirit they were of . makes me think of two laws at work in our members life and death ...

1 Peter 4:17 The Passion Translation (TPT)
17 For the time is ripe for judgment to begin in God's own household. And if it starts with us, what will be the fate of those who refuse to obey the gospel of God?

Than we have this chapter explaining pretty clearly , I really like the passion version , seems the same Fire on earth Jesus come to bring during His own baptism will most definitely apply to those of same nature that follow with Him , I only see it bad for the carnal
natured and great things for the spiritually natured , rightly dividing the WORD OF TRUTH ... judging in holy righteousness
which is excellent .

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Thessalonians+1&version=TPT

claypot · March 23, 2019, 03:41:11 PM

Can you imagine unbelievers being thrown or cast into a world of believers? It will be an amazing experience for believers and an amazingly rough experience for non believers.

I cannot imagine a better way to start our post human experience than to use the fire of God within us to draw untold billions of people to Him via Jesus Christ.

rosered · March 23, 2019, 03:44:43 PM

Quote from: claypot on March 23, 2019, 03:41:11 PM
Can you imagine unbelievers being thrown or cast into a world of believers? It will be an amazing experience for believers and an amazingly rough experience for non believers.

I cannot imagine a better way to start our post human experience than to use the fire of God within us to draw untold billions of people to Him via Jesus Christ.

Yes the finished work is for GOD to be all in all brother , the mystery of the ages is solved . :dsunny: :HeartThrob:

claypot · March 23, 2019, 03:50:41 PM

That's why I'm liking what I am seeing about believers all together being as a lake of fire that unbelievers are cast into! What better analogy of God working in us to will and to do of His good pleasure?!

rosered · March 23, 2019, 04:09:15 PM

Quote from: claypot on March 23, 2019, 03:50:41 PM
That's why I'm liking what I am seeing about believers all together being as a lake of fire that unbelievers are cast into! What better analogy of God working in us to will and to do of His good pleasure?!

Exactly ! :HeartThrob:

If the first law was to expose sin and make it utterly sinful , we know than that the heart of the earth was death and the grave , Jesus come to defeat death and the works of satan [lie ] by the cross , HE become both the Lord of the dead and living able to resurrect the dead at any time :thumbsup: right ... I have always thought this life was the shadow and hell/death VOID of the Spirit of Life till we know what sin is , Paul said I was alive without the law once and when it come I DIED convicting us of sin nature , but when Jesus come to Him on the road to Damascus to chasten him
showing him the error of using that law to kill and destroy others and never see it applying to himself , that was the conversion to me and changing of the minds , now it is to comfort those experiencing the same things in life and death by the forgiveness of sins though LOVE and obedience
look at how obedience under JESUS authority is gathering up and changing hearts on a regular and daily basis by grace abounding the more on earth as it is in heaven :dsunny:

MusicLover123 · March 23, 2019, 04:27:03 PM

Ray touches on this in LOF #12

https://bible-truths.com/lake12.html

marie glen · March 23, 2019, 06:16:02 PM

I believe God is a consuming/purifying fire and agree so His children are too.

But I also believe the two mentions of LOF line up with 2 Peter 3:10-13 - and Zechariah 14 -

10But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up.-- Jesus' visible return to Earth, at Armageddon over all that oil, plus man's modern capabilities of splitting the atom, etc. a lof Zech.14; Is.2

11Since all these things - man's kingdoms - are to be destroyed in this way, what sort of people ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be destroyed by burning, and the elements will melt with intense heat! 13But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells. -- when God "makes ALL things new.. a new heavens and new earth" - the "all in all" event of 1 Cor.15:27,28(22-28!)

I believe also believers - baptized in water and fire of God's Holy Spirit will serve during "the millennium" (1000yrs) and during "the judgment" (500yrs - after the pattern of the Fall holy days --> Leviticus 23 - which if correct, makes 'Day' of Judgment to be Day of Atonement for all those of the "2nd resurrection" of Rev.20 - of all thos not (yet) saved before they died.

Jesus said a day comes when all in the tombs will hear His voice and will rise, some to the resurrection of life [at His visible return prophesied so much] and some to the resurrection of judgment/discernment. [The description in Lev.23 of DOA aligns.. like Paul said such of the OT were a type and representation of the real. (doa for the initially doa! :doh: )

MusicLover123 · March 23, 2019, 07:06:57 PM

MG, someone else mentione, have you noticed there is only one day of the Lord?

marie glen · March 23, 2019, 09:02:37 PM

'Scratching head' lol..

..one day of the Lord, when He returns - i could quote the many verses.. maybe I'll add some..

..and one day of God - the vivication of all things.. Rev. 21, when God makes all things new.

Remember? Like 1 Cor.15:22-28 :

22For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. 23But each in his own order: [[1]] Christ the first fruits, after [[2]] that those who are Christ's at His coming, 24then [[3]]comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to God the Father, when He/Jesus has abolished all rule and all authority and power. 25For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. 26The last enemy that will be abolished is death. 27For HE HAS PUT ALL THINGS IN SUBJECTION UNDER HIS FEET. But when He says, "All things are put in subjection," it is evident that He is excepted who put all things in subjection to Him. 28When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all.

Doesn't that read that way?

Like all died (in Adam) - in the same way,

all will live (in Jesus) -- But , each in their own order.. at their own time.. first Jesus, the firstborn, forever preeminant.

"then those that are His, at His coming.

..so of the "all" so far, there is some. ...I think it's worldly universalism which believes ppl are automatically saved without repenting or being born again, but I think God is using the process to drive home all of His truth.. if it was automatic why not have all be born that way to begin? but maybe i'm straying here..

So, logically, the rest of the "all" occurs at number [[3]].. when Jesus hands the kingdom/realm to the Father.. so that God shall be "all in all".. surely must be the same as Rev.21:1-5?

Day of the Lord - His return (visible)
Day of God - when "all" are made new and God now is literally "all in all". No more death, suffering, or missing the mark..

Between the two? the millennium and the judgment, imo, 2 ages

:Peace2:

marie glen · March 23, 2019, 09:30:40 PM

P.S. - there's also this,

2 Peter 3:10-13 - the two.. day of the Lord (Jesus) and day of God, the Father

10But the day of the Lord --- will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up.

the interlinear w/ word #s - https://biblehub.com/interlinear/2_peter/3-10.htm
"Lord" is "G2962" - kurios - lord, master, sir

11Since all these things are to be destroyed in this way, what sort of people ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness,

12looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be destroyed by burning, and the elements will melt with intense heat!

the interlinear - https://biblehub.com/interlinear/2_peter/3-12.htm
"God" is "G2316" - theos - God

13But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells.

marie glen · March 25, 2019, 09:17:56 PM

Quote from: claypot on March 23, 2019, 01:52:46 PM
Something within me is telling me that believers are the lake of fire. Believers are a little flock and when taken as a whole are a lake. Believers are sons and daughters of our God who is a consuming fire which makes believers little consuming fires.

:thumbsup: Believers as part of the LOF. There are seven lamps of fire, torches, in front of God's throne, in Revelation, that Jesus walks among.. "which are the 7 churches"

As I'm thinking the torches of God's sevenfold Spirit in chapter 4 are basically the same as the seven lampstands Jesus is walking among in chapter 1..?

In chapter 15, there is what looks like a glass sea mixed with fire.. and believers are standing on it..

So interesting.. all, the depths..

P.S. - since the blood of the lamb is said to be what cleanses us (the laver?) is ultimately the LOF his blood/life? A fiery pure life force.. And what happens when you split an atom, the building block of matter?

marie glen · March 26, 2019, 03:01:17 AM

Is the Mercy Seat His throne? I mean I would think He would have one seat. That it's symbolic of where He most resides (?)

His throne sits above the crystal lake (Rev.4) and above the fiery lake (Rev.5).

How is it, do you think, that when Jesus talked about "when the Son of man returns", both unbelievers and negligent believers will have part in the lake which burns with fire? P.S. - and our works can be burned up..

{I am shocked - call me nuts - to think that perhaps the LOF is not afterlife at all. (Except for the total vivification of all things in the "all in all" event of Rev.21:1-5? And I'm not so sure 'afterlife' is the right word for that..)
:2c: :Peace2:

rosered · March 26, 2019, 10:17:58 AM

Quote from: marie glen on March 26, 2019, 03:01:17 AM
Is the Mercy Seat His throne? I mean I would think He would have one seat. That it's symbolic of where He most resides (?)

His throne sits above the crystal lake (Rev.4) and above the fiery lake (Rev.5).

How is it, do you think, that when Jesus talked about "when the Son of man returns", both unbelievers and negligent believers will have part in the lake which burns with fire? P.S. - and our works can be burned up..

{I am shocked - call me nuts - to think that perhaps the LOF is not afterlife at all. (Except for the total vivification of all things in the "all in all" event of Rev.21:1-5? And I'm not so sure 'afterlife' is the right word for that..)
:2c: :Peace2:

I believe the LOF is now as well ...... it is GODS PRESENCE ... to me and part of Gods amazing grace
think of two natures one is Light and Life though the fire of Gods consuming the old nature [ carnal ] enemy agaisnt the Spirit to become Spiritual sons of God growing in truth and grace ..

Jesus baptism /cross was to die to the world and pour out the HOLY Spirit which by nature , purifies and cleanses us of all unrighteousness as it set the world on fire , we too take up our cross and follow in the same manner , same gifts though Jesus Christ come though His own born again , new creatures in Christ as the mercy seat is from ABOVE [HEAVEN ] Jesus is the connection and the way to the FATHER S THRONE OF GRACE .
Being HIS PRESENCE working in and being manifested though you a vessel of honor for the Fathers use , JESUS IS THE PRIME and excellent example of everything revealed openly that was hidden from all the ages

what was written was only for the carnal mind to twist and bring death and hell etc....
When we hear Jesus voice speaking though these scriptures and LIFE begins a new , we hear His voice and Live and are alive to God as restored , adopted and that seed of Life is raising up the son of God in power in you the Christ in you the hope of glory ... a LIVING WORD and with the excellence of the Fathers Spirit of fire and purity and holiness

a two edged SWORD / Word . till the flesh and blood is no more . mortal and corruptible body of death is no more IN POWER over us [no more stock or faith in self ] , but the LIVING breathing Holy Spirit of Life is moving in power .
This is how you will be like Him , the least you have done unto one of these you have done unto ME , Knowing Him and being a part of His new greater works , the Christ in you or even the grace in you , greater His He that is in you than in the world , less and less world and more JESUS! truth and grace to grow up into ! :dsunny:

claypot · March 26, 2019, 01:54:13 PM

like I started saying, I am seeing that those who have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ here and now are that lake of fire. We are, for lack of better words, small particles of the Consuming Fire who we call Father.

I like the fact that the lake of fire is called a lake. Not an ocean or sea. Just a small body of water. Fits with Scripture. Believers are a small flock but our size (a lake) doesn't matter a bit when made up of God Himself!

I also like to think of our future roles. Now most of us love to share the knowledge and love of our Lord and His Father and we do. I see in the state we are heading to that we call death is really life abundantly and we will be working with billions of unbelievers. God will be using us in ways He isn't doing now and it will be amazing for His glory, our fulfillment and the illuminating of all who are in darkness.

Jesus came to seek and save that which is lost. lk19.10 He is God (Is 9.6), God is love (1john4.7) and love never fails(1cor13.8)!

rosered · March 26, 2019, 06:53:13 PM

Quote from: claypot on March 26, 2019, 01:54:13 PM
like I started saying, I am seeing that those who have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ here and now are that lake of fire. We are, for lack of better words, small particles of the Consuming Fire who we call Father.

I like the fact that the lake of fire is called a lake. Not an ocean or sea. Just a small body of water. Fits with Scripture. Believers are a small flock but our size (a lake) doesn't matter a bit when made up of God Himself!

I also like to think of our future roles. Now most of us love to share the knowledge and love of our Lord and His Father and we do. I see in the state we are heading to that we call death is really life abundantly and we will be working with billions of unbelievers. God will be using us in ways He isn't doing now and it will be amazing for His glory, our fulfillment and the illuminating of all who are in darkness.

Jesus came to seek and save that which is lost. lk19.10 He is God (Is 9.6), God is love (1john4.7) and love never fails(1cor13.8)!

Amen , Like peter proclaimed , Judgement starts in the house of GOD ! Jesus had a righteous anger over His Fathers house becoming a den of thieves and robber spirits !

But I do believe now is the time to shine forth like the SON /SUN and not allow the evil to rule over us nor allow the evil in others to rob God of HIS GLORY in the earth either .
what if being on fire for GOD IS HIS CHOSEN ONES now fixing to do the greater works than His original and first appearance in the earth as a human being ?

luke warm does not cut it ... Jesus would rather we become hot or cold , not lukewarm he spews us out of His mouth

and that in turn becomes like the cold and dead once again ... but a smouldering wick He will not put out .

just some thoughts about the fire of God burning in our hearts when the scriptures are opened up to us , we have to than walk it out in the Spirit of Life , it becomes a LIVING WORD in power and glory to God the standard and banner in the earth as it is in heaven ..

I have personally come to despise evil and the slaves to bondage , it brings such misery to those whom suffer because of it , I know we have to call upon the name of the LORD in every circumstance , the prayers and supplications for the good to come and light to Shine forth out of the darkness into HIS GLORIOUS LIGHT than evil has no place to hide .... and no more darkness to overcome us , the day of the LORD IS SALVATION TO THE BELIEVERS IN GODS POWER to rule and reign supreme . taking every thought captive to CHRIST HE WILL DESTROY IT ...

JESUS SAID,,,,,,,,for He will finish the work and cut it short in righteousness, because the LORD will make a short work upon the earth." because the devil knows his time is short ... rev 12 ;12 Woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has come down to you in great wrath, knowing that . He is full of rage, because he knows that his time is short.
it is a battle of death to those whom the world has a hold of , remember JESUS being sent to the wilderness by the Holy Spirit to be tempted ? we too are sent in the same manner to be tempted by satan the empty lies but JESUS PROCLAIMED THE POWER OVER SATAN BY THE WORD OF GOD same for us and dying on the cross makes us dead to the world and ALIVE TO GOD no more temptation when the world is dead to us and we crave the good things of God in the LORD ALWAYS and want that for everyone , to know this great LOVE OF GOD !!

marie glen · March 26, 2019, 09:20:25 PM

Quote from: rosered on March 26, 2019, 10:17:58 AM
Quote from: marie glen on March 26, 2019, 03:01:17 AM
Is the Mercy Seat His throne? I mean I would think He would have one seat. That it's symbolic of where He most resides (?)

His throne sits above the crystal lake (Rev.4) and above the fiery lake (Rev.5).

How is it, do you think, that when Jesus talked about "when the Son of man returns", both unbelievers and negligent believers will have part in the lake which burns with fire? P.S. - and our works can be burned up..

{I am shocked - call me nuts - to think that perhaps the LOF is not afterlife at all. (Except for the total vivification of all things in the "all in all" event of Rev.21:1-5? And I'm not so sure 'afterlife' is the right word for that..)
:2c: :Peace2:

I believe the LOF is now as well ...... it is GODS PRESENCE ... to me and part of Gods amazing grace
think of two natures one is Light and Life though the fire of Gods consuming the old nature [ carnal ] enemy agaisnt the Spirit to become Spiritual sons of God growing in truth and grace ..

Amen, I believe that too. ..And I believe, more and more, there is NOT a literal lake of fire anyone or angel is tossed to, except the inner one AND the one I believe is at Armageddon; and at the All in all event (tho there is one more mention when satan is let loose from the pit of darkness "after the 1000 years" makes war one more time..)

And that God's seat and throne shown as above the fiery lake, which is the sense I get at Rev.15, means even though men will experience that Lake of fire (I believe at Armageddon) His grace will carry them through.. (like it does even now with those suffering saints in the world..)

:Chinscratch: I see all of we UR believers beliefs somewhat like a Picasso painting.. but I'm always looking for the beautiful Landscape of the overall picture.. for the sake of passing on to others. A clear, simple, beautiful landscape.. (That says it all in one very short paragraph! Lol)

Though I guess - Summary - All will be like Jesus.

rosered · March 26, 2019, 09:29:19 PM

I too believe it is clear in Revelations , John is describing the Day of the Lord , we see though the scriptures many a'' day of the Lord'' events that is leading up to the ending or finale , everything is open as the mystery is revealed of the Lord Jesus Christ seeing Him as HE IS ....

Ephesians 3:9
and to illuminate for everyone the stewardship of this mystery, which for ages past was hidden in God, who created all things.

Colossians 2:2
that they may be encouraged in heart, knit together in love, and filled with the full riches of complete understanding, so that they may know the mystery of God, namely Christ

marie glen · March 26, 2019, 09:36:20 PM

Quote from: claypot on March 26, 2019, 01:54:13 PM

I also like to think of our future roles. Now most of us love to share the knowledge and love of our Lord and His Father and we do. I see in the state we are heading to that we call death is really life abundantly and we will be working with billions of unbelievers. God will be using us in ways He isn't doing now and it will be amazing for His glory, our fulfillment and the illuminating of all who are in darkness.

I agree. But I don't think it will be in a hades or afterlife, but after resurrection.. helping teach survivors during "the millennium" and all those who rise just prior to "the judgment" or at the judgment, teaching them during the judgment, which I believe is an age - - because of the pattern of the Fall holy days (of Lev. 23) because His first advent followed the Spring pattern.. And I believe His 2nd advent is from the Trumpets/or maybe from the 7th trumpet of Rev and His visible return, to when He hands the kingdom over to the Father, and the Father makes all things new - 2 Peter 3:12,13; Rev. 21:1-5; 1 Cor.15:27,28 (or 22-28)

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Jesus came to seek and save that which is lost. lk19.10 He is God (Is 9.6), God is love (1john4.7) and love never fails(1cor13.8)!

Amen! :banana:

marie glen · March 26, 2019, 09:37:06 PM

Quote from: rosered on March 26, 2019, 09:29:19 PM

I too believe it is clear in Revelations , John is describing the Day of the Lord , we see though the scriptures many a" day of the Lord" events that is leading up to the ending or finale , everything is open as the mystery is revealed of the Lord Jesus Christ seeing Him as HE IS ....

Ephesians 3:9
and to illuminate for everyone the stewardship of this mystery, which for ages past was hidden in God, who created all things.

Colossians 2:2
that they may be encouraged in heart, knit together in love, and filled with the full riches of complete understanding, so that they may know the mystery of God, namely Christ

:cloud9: Amen..

rosered · March 27, 2019, 10:59:19 AM

Quote from: marie glen on March 26, 2019, 09:36:20 PM
Quote from: claypot on March 26, 2019, 01:54:13 PM

I also like to think of our future roles. Now most of us love to share the knowledge and love of our Lord and His Father and we do. I see in the state we are heading to that we call death is really life abundantly and we will be working with billions of unbelievers. God will be using us in ways He isn't doing now and it will be amazing for His glory, our fulfillment and the illuminating of all who are in darkness.

I agree. But I don't think it will be in a hades or afterlife, but after resurrection.. helping teach survivors during "the millennium" and all those who rise just prior to "the judgment" or at the judgment, teaching them during the judgment, which I believe is an age - - because of the pattern of the Fall holy days (of Lev. 23) because His first advent followed the Spring pattern.. And I believe His 2nd advent is from the Trumpets/or maybe from the 7th trumpet of Rev and His visible return, to when He hands the kingdom over to the Father, and the Father makes all things new - 2 Peter 3:12,13; Rev. 21:1-5; 1 Cor.15:27,28 (or 22-28)

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Jesus came to seek and save that which is lost. lk19.10 He is God (Is 9.6), God is love (1john4.7) and love never fails(1cor13.8)!

Amen! :banana:

I would have thought by Jesus words Marie ,
That Jesus was already speaking of resurrection by saying look at the fields [ world] the heads are already ripe for harvest

John 4 34Jesus explained, "My food is to do the will of Him who sent Me and to finish His work. 35Do you not say, 'There are still four months until the harvest'? I tell you, lift up your eyes and look at the fields, for they are ripe for harvest.

36 Already the reaper draws his wages and gathers a crop for eternal life, so that the sower and the reaper may rejoice together.... the reapers are the angels/messengers the ones before us correct ?

Jesus said this before His baptism of the cross as a long ago Prophecy by the Spirit .
and we know that Jesus was hidden as the same ''Rock'' of salvation Moses struck twice back in his day .
Each man has his own day of the Lord to me , Abraham's day was darkness and thick gloom and terror , yet Abram / Abraham was glad to see Him in his day ...

We now Know Jesus was and is and will be , because HE is the resurrection and the life Always .and the Lamb slain before the foundation of the world [old world from the beginning ] and the new world was when He come to make everything new , regenerated , regrowth ,bring into renewed existence; generate again.[ending ] before turning it all over to the Father , this day of the Lord to me is the Sabbath Day and rest [HOLY DAY] 7th and finishing the works in the last day as Martha spoke of believing in the Messiah and spoke of her brother Lazarus , JESUS did raise up Lazarus as proof or fruit /works of Gods glory to them in their day and said ... 23"Your brother will rise again," Jesus told her.

24Martha replied, "I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day."

25Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me will live, even though he dies. 26And everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?"

some will taste death when they see Him as the man of sin is exposed by Christ coming to them and some will never taste death because He tasted death for every man whom believes in Him already and have passed from death to life already in the here and now , the way I can understand the scriptures . Paul speaks of himself being alive and remaining in 1Thess 5

Just as we have learned and been taught of the Holy Spirit everyone has been given a life in Adam and a day [dead and raised to life in Christ or repurposed , regenerated ]

So shall everyone have a new Life and Day in Christ , each in their own order , or as they are called ''to rise '' in my own opinion .
I do not think it is easy to describe our faith in the LORD Jesus Christ to one another , we can and do stumble one another over the Truth at times .
My poor hubby , he has not even began to embrace the salvation of all yet , even after all these years . :sigh:

and we have some good talks and some hindering ones too . I have always said this and believe it still to this very day .

I do not know how God will save everyone , but His works are perfect and I just know He will , Because He is God and salvation is of God and not of mankind . and everyone will see the glory of GOD ONE DAY . for some it is To Day and are resting in that hope and keeping it alive in Christ .

:HeartThrob:

FineLinen · March 27, 2019, 11:44:13 AM

Dear Rose: Your poor hubby is not alone. The entire Realm of Abba requires an intervention from Above. He draws each one in His time. We are all on different stages of a journey whose beginning and ending is God.

http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/studies/spiritual/home_study/parables.htm

rosered · March 27, 2019, 12:03:49 PM

Quote from: FineLinen on March 27, 2019, 11:44:13 AM
Dear Rose: Your poor hubby is not alone. The entire Realm of Abba requires an intervention from Above. He draws each one in His time. We are all on different stages of a journey whose beginning and ending is God.

http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/studies/spiritual/home_study/parables.htm

Amen Dear brother ! I know what you are saying is so true , but continue to pray that we can all come to the knowledge of the truth and I do know that we all will , because GOD is faithful as promised ! Holy Spirit witness of truth :dsunny: :HeartThrob:

GOOD article by Lorraine Day .. :thumbsup:

...12I still have much to tell you, but you cannot yet bear to hear it. 13However, when the Spirit of truth comes, He will guide you into all truth. For He will not speak on His own, but He will speak what He hears, and He will declare to you what is to come. 14He will glorify Me by taking from what is Mine and disclosing it to you....

there comes our DAY :dsunny:

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we are the lake of fire!?