Does Pharaoh Typify Satan?

[marie glen]

Amen, GiL  :dsunny: :cloud9:

some vessels fitted for destruction

..but not 'for ever' (imo)

that great city Babylon - and in her was found the blood of all that were slain upon the earth" - literally every murder that ever happens

"mystery babble" -all untruth? responsible for all death..

Is the lake of fire a mirror of pain that reflects their own acts back upon them?  Will they feel the exact same pain as they inflicted?  We know that you reap what you sow -

Imagine the horror to wake up fro the grave, n God's Presence, and realize you oppressed or killed thousands.. or raped hundreds.. or whatever it is the world's worst evildoers do (if angle and mankind's choices are being let to run their course to prove good from evil.. doesn't that imply letting even the greatest evils to be done? otherwise what would be "proven"? What good from evil demonstrated?

and herein does Paul's proclamation that LOVE is what matters most become most important (though that's how it should always be), for everything else will fade away

Amen! you said it!  :iagree: totally..

I believe these verses are verses which lead some of us to believe even satan&co will ultimately be saved -

Ephesians 1:10
10 that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth—in Him.

Colossians 1:20
20 and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross.

And also the idea that satan&co was allowed, by God, to become as evil doing as they have.. for His purposes - I believe to speed things along.. That Babel Tower was too soon for apocalypse (failure/ruin) but if only humans like sheep wandering.. cold take a LOT longer to reach the truth proving culmination.

[rosered]

I really loved reading  everyone's replies ..
Deeply felt   and substantial    thoughts .
   Something that helped me understand , is knowledge is what causes  division ,  worldly wisdom .. the tree of knowledge of good and evil   and its temptation  to keep eating of it .. death is  found in it .

   Love never does cause  divisions  because it heals all wrong and does not keep a record  of it .[ forgiving is forgetting all the former things behind us  and moving forward]  Let it be .

  Love is the unity and universal language    . The wisdom from above  Only God can   solve  or make it known  .


  My greatest comfort  is knowing   God changes  everything , but He never does .  Not all sleep but will be changed   ..

I have never shared this with anyone   , but if it is any comfort   to anyone else    and could give them peace within also 
 
   He said this world is not His  ,    and consider it is only by faith in Him  , not of ourselves and  worldly wisdom , where the carnal [beastly ] mind operates   and decides    everything  under the power of slavery    to  sinful  desires  and the love of money/mammon  is the ROOT  of all evil .greed gives rise to selfish or wicked actions and  ambitions .    there is no amount   of mammon or power to fill   that void ,it is a bottomless pit ...

  Some use  knowledge  to take advantage  of the poor in spirit

God made  leviathan  without fear ,,  Even    anyone who has even read  the Word of GOD  , knows    the beginning of    real wisdom is the fear of the Lord     .. even the devils know  and trembles  at His Word .

  But God made this one without fear  , with fear of the Lord comes , a place in our hearts /minds  with  respect and honor 

Jesus   did this perfectly , our  glorious example  , making and showing us a way  to  Truth in the Life of  Christ , no longer living  as a beast but as a son of God ,,,

  This place is the grave  [  many bibles call hell  / judgement ]

  David  helped me to see it , I was like a beast before you ... mark of the beast  , it is the number of a man , and there will be no buying or  trading or selling the   wisdom of the world    that is earthly  , sensual and devilish ,,   that twist   the TRUTH into lies       

The power in the serpents lie   was  twisted by one WORD '' NOT ''   God did not say ,  you shall not surly die
...16The LORD God commanded the man, saying, "From any tree of the garden you may eat freely; 17but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die.

Adams DAY   was 930 years and  experienced death   every  day    from the point he ate of this tree  on ward .  What did he gain but more worldly wisdom    as a king of the earth   and having dominion over all   God gave him  , minus the garden  now ..


That the tree of Life  was in and guarded by the Flaming  sword /JESUS CHRIST /Truth   that no man could enter without being  put to death by his own  works of his own hands .


Psalms 72

21When my heart was embittered And I was pierced within,

22Then I was senseless and ignorant;

I was like a beast before You. 23Nevertheless I am continually with You; You have taken hold of my right hand....

Job 18:3
"Why are we regarded as beasts, As stupid in your eyes?

Psalm 49:10
For he sees that even wise men die; The stupid and the senseless alike perish And leave their wealth to others.

Psalm 49:20
Man in his pomp, yet without understanding, Is like the beasts that perish.

Psalm 92:6
A senseless man has no knowledge, Nor does a stupid man understand this:

Proverbs 30:2
Surely I am more stupid than any man, And I do not have the understanding of a man.

Ecclesiastes 3:18
I said to myself concerning the sons of men, "God has surely tested them in order for them to see that they are but beasts."

So foolish was I, and ignorant: I was as a beast before you.

Psalm 69:5 O God, you know my foolishness; and my sins are not hid from you.

Psalm 92:6 A brutish man knows not; neither does a fool understand this.

Proverbs 30:2 Surely I am more brutish than any man, and have not the understanding of a man.

Ecclesiastes 3:18 I said in my heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that ...

Psalm 32:9 Be you not as the horse, or as the mule, which have no understanding: ...

Isaiah 1:3 The ox knows his owner, and the donkey his master's crib: but Israel ...

  Mankind / Adam   buys and dells the truth all the time to one another for greedy gain  ,  What they consider important and worldly  ,

  Those whom  love the Lord are not to be  of the world anyl onger   in it but not of it    .. a friend of the world is not a friend of GOD

  James 4 ;4 Warning against Pride
...3And when you do ask, you do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, that you may squander it on your pleasures. 4You adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God?

Therefore, whoever chooses to be a friend of the world renders himself an enemy of God. 5Or do you think the Scripture says without reason that the Spirit He caused to dwell in us yearns with envy?...


Our divisions  come from being   in  both ,   and the two edged Flaming Sword  divides  the soul and the Spirit      one hand in the world and the other   hand  in God
What would a man exchange for his soul / life ? ,
what good does it do to gain the whole world and loose his soul /life being a  slave  to death ?



[ Hebrews 4 12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. 13 Nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.

   The WORD judges us all  by the standard
[a level of quality or attainment] of TRUTH   ,   What is truth   to us ?

  We are taught of God that love is the standard     that the whole world is  measured from and by  and though and for ..   GOD IS LOVE ..
We have become desensitized by all this evil and death down here ,  the news media has nothing but bad news to report, slander   and  every evil thing you can imagine  ,  Knowledge of good and evil  has increased   we have become    like  dead people  walking , when we love it is always taken advantage of ..   Give someone an   inch  of mercy and love and they want to take   a mile from  you ..  or use you up   like a stomping ground ,  Jesus called  all those whom had come before Him were robber and thieves
 
John 10Jesus the Good Shepherd and whom ever Hear His Voice will LIVE ... HE IS THE WAY TO THE TREE OF LIFE ... no one can enter except though Him  only ...    that Truth / Sword    ..and just like sheep be prepared to die in the Lord ..

...7So He said to them again, "Truly, truly, I tell you, I am the gate for the sheep.

8All who came before Me were thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them. 9I am the gate. If anyone enters through Me, he will be saved. He will come in and go out and find pasture....

  This is why faith in God is such a very precious thing  and worth more than any gold  the world offers  us ,
  When He makes all things new    everything will be changed  ,   evil can never ever  enter  our minds again , as it has never  entered His presence   and lived . 

death is the last enemy and will not exist  when LIFE   consumes it all ... 

I was going to stay quiet  lol :laughing7:  says a fool is known by a multitude of words   and the wise when silent

Ecclesiastes 10:14
Yet the fool multiplies words. No man knows what will happen, and who can tell him what will come after him?

But I also recall  Paul saying , He was a fool for Christ sake     and  become a fool   and no longer seeking the wisdom of the world any longer  , so am I than     

   1 Cor 3 Worldly Wisdom
...17If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him;

for God's temple is holy, and you are that temple.

18 Let no one deceive himself.

If any of you thinks he is wise in this age,

he should become a fool,

so that he may become wise.

19For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God's sight.

As it is written: "He catches the wise in their craftiness."  [ not the devil  catching us but it is God  whom catches us  in our own ways of doing things ] 20And again, "The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are futile."

21Therefore stop boasting in men. All things are yours, 22whether Paul or Apollos or Cephasc or the world or life or death or the present or the future. All of them belong to you, 23and you belong to Christ, and Christ belongs to God.

Love is the purest motive that the Holy Spirit  would guide our  hearts and minds towards  ,
   the love of God  though the Lord Jesus   Christ ,,His Voice   we follow  after ,      God has made a way of escape though His    one of a kind and only Son  , and many sons will  come out of His body     , hid in Christ till  they be revealed ...    and known as they are   known  of God   our True Heavenly Father .
  We love God because    He loved us first   and gave Himself for us   while we were yet sinners Christ died for us  , and bought us back from the dead with His own blood , so we can now LIVE   for God though Jesus Christ  strengthening  us  daily , the inner man of the heart  for God   all truth is in Him ..

  His Word / His Son ,will not return to Him  empty   .. but accomplish what it is sent out to do   and that is save , salvation is of God     

The Bible teaches us  in I Corinthians 15:57: "Thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ." To be saved, admit to God that you are a sinner. in error . we are really lost without His guiding   us to Life .. There is nothing we can do to earn salvation, but it is only by God's grace—His undeserved mercy—that we can be saved.

  I have heard ,'' Let go and let God '',   many times now  , it is a simple and true saying   , as we rest in Hope  staying alive though Him  and ready to die those things that hinder us  all .  wait on the Lord to reveal  Himself / Life to us .   

[marie glen]

Amen Rose.. I think it's the difference between being in the Spirit or carnal.. Carnal must defend its view, whereas in the Spirit can seek truth with others.. paring things down to the truth, together..

In forums, I've figured out.. or so it seems to me, carnal believers are like a closed door. Even the outward or superficial? attitude of love, togetherness, acceptance and welcome, like can be seen in many churches, is missing. It's simply 'my view versus your view' rather than simply saying what one's view is and listening to what another's view is.. and letting it leaven perhaps.. As a seeking truth of the topic together.

I think this is what Jesus said in Mt 24 about His return.. will He find faith? His servants "providing meat for the household in due season" [feed my sheep.. he broke the bread and gave to his disciples which gave to the people..] or will He find them beating up on other members of the household? Man! Do we ever see this occurring in Christian discussion forums! Oy.

I think some folks wander in here to peaceful, cooperative tentmaker forum, kind of battle worn and scarred.. defensive.. And for a while it may be with that attitude of 'my view versus your view'.

The 'closed door' feeling I get in forums when it's obvious someone is only talking and not listening, when I can tell they responded to my response, but didn't really read it.. they did not hear it.. It's totally 'my view versus your view' - no room for discourse.. closed door.. All we can do is say a prayer and shake the dust.. :friendstu:

[sheila]

sometimes we have to get out of God's way.Will God reap what He sowed? God planted good seed..in the field of this earth[man] an enemy sowed tares. God will up root

what He did not plant..and the enemy that is uprooted  accuse God of reaping where He did not sow!but the enemy of God has reaped what he sowed!the enemy's one talent

has always been as the accusor/condemer of the works of God's hands! God gives this talent of accusation/condemnation to the one who has ten[Jesus]andHe says...

'the Prince of this world is judged that his works are wicked" :2c:

[CST]

I would just like to say, that it's quite a big presumption to assume that Satan and his angels will be saved (and I'm sorry for doing so, it was presumptuous of me - though I first read it in "God's Plan For All" - a book about UR).  I am doubtful of it now.  The reason for this is that all of the blood of every righteous person who has and/or will be slain on earth is going to be shed because of these evil beings.  Yahwasua Himself said it.  He also said that they (scribes/Pharisees/Jews) are the children of Satan.  He mentioned Abel and Zacharias, and then proceeded to say that the blood of every righteous person ever killed would be on their hands - that they were going to fill up the measure of their fathers (Pharisees/Sadducees/Jews/Brood of vipers/Generation of serpents).  Essentially the whole gist of it is that this "generation" - which basically includes them, their ancestors, and their descendants - are the children of Satan.  It may be that they are actually literal devils inhabiting flesh and blood bodies.  I have to say I'm inclined to believe so now.  Yahwasua said that Judas (for example) IS a devil - not that he was being possessed by one.  "Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?" John 6:70 - yes, Satan possessed him as well, but the meaning that I get from this is that he actually was a devil inhabiting a flesh and blood body.

All things are possible for Yahwah, so it's possible that Satan and his devils will be saved (after paying for their crimes) but at the same time, are there not some vessels fitted for destruction?

We all know that it's Yahwah's will to save all men (humans), but what about devils?  I'm not quite so sure anymore.

I think it's a lot easier to argue the case for all men (humans) being saved (the world) than it is to argue for the entire creation/universe.

Here's the thing; these scribes/Pharisees knew Yahwasua is the Son of the highest God - Yahwah, yet they called Him a devil.  They knew He was going around doing miracles, healing, etc.  This race/generation of murderers of everyone who will ever be killed were calling the Holy Spirit [the Spirit of Yahwah, the self-existent One, the Father of Yahwasua and His brothers/sisters the Eloheem who together all received of Yahwah's Holy Spirit (the fullness residing in Yahwasua)] the spirit of Beelzebub/Satan.  From what I can see, this particular race or generation is responsible for "that great city Babylon - and in her was found the blood of all that were slain upon the earth" - literally every murder that ever happens.

Yes, Yahwah is not a respecter of persons, and it may be that He will save even Satan and his devils, but since we don't know if it's Yahwah's will to save them it takes quite a leap of faith.  I guess we don't know for sure if it's His will to save them and so I definitely don't want to presume such a thing.

The matter of the evil angels' salvation seems to be a stumbling-block for me believing in universal salvation.  I have no doubt about the Power of Yahwah, just doubt about whether it's His will to save them.  It's quite an odd thing to think about what they will have to suffer if they are really to be heirs of salvation (in addition to all humanity).  "We are perfected through suffering."  Is the lake of fire a mirror of pain that reflects their own acts back upon them?  Will they feel the exact same pain as they inflicted?  We know that you reap what you sow - and this is a Galatians epistle teaching (from Paul - the biggest biblical proponent of universal salvation), so that would seem logical.  I guess my point is basically this, since Yahwah is not a respecter of persons, then those who do evil will have their evil repaid to them and that's the fact of the matter.  Then, if the evil angels were to be allowed into the Kingdom of heaven, wouldn't they have to also do "the Work of God" - which is believing on the name of his Son Yahwasua and loving one another.  Will they do this in the lake of fire?  I suppose all of this amounts to, "why not just believe all will be saved and stop asking questions?" and perhaps this is the whole point of all of this dialogue FOR PAUL SAID, "For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus (Yahwasua) Christ, and Him crucified." 1 Cor 2:2

Anyway, sorry for all presumptions on my part.  "Let all men be liars, and God be true."? :footmouth: (oddly enough we have no autographs (as far as I know - have I actually seen them?)), so for all we know, anything and everything we know could be wrong) - and herein does Paul's proclamation that LOVE is what matters most become most important (though that's how it should always be), for everything else will fade away

What? [mod edit]

You seem to have moved from arguing a position I disagree with but can sympathize with, it being your understanding of an historical teaching of the church with a position that has so far as i know no one has ever held before.

Up to this point I'd have acknowledged that I probably held the minority and more heretical position but now you seem to have amended your view on the salvation of the fallen angels and expressed a view point that only you and, I must imagine, those that think like you hold.

You actually suggest you believe that several human beings are devils disguised as human beings. Now Elvis said that about someone once but I'm fairly sure he was not being literal.

What you are suggesting is an idea that, so far as I know, no church has ever taught and seems to be a convenient way of identify characters in the Bible who won't be saved, even while we claim that all will be saved because, despite appearances, they are not humans and so don't fall into the category of those who will be saved. At which point youcan say that of anyone you don't like and don't want to forgive to claim why they won't be saved and so you don't have to which undermines a great deal of the benefits of UR.

Jesus didn't teach this, yes He may have said, allegorically, that Judas was a devil but He also said he chose Judas.

On top of this Jesus went around, according to you, excising demons, which you believe in, all the while having a chief agent of Satan in his own number. Jesus told people not to concern themselves with the mote in their neighbour's eye before they had got rid of the beam in their own eye. So, on your theory, maybe Jesus should be getting rid of the devil in His own number before dealing with them elsewhere.

According to the Bible, Jesus and His disciples all performed exorcisms, yet you say one of them was an actual devil. Wouldn't that seem to give credence to the suggestion of the Pharisees that Jesus is excising demons by the power of Satan? Maybe Judas is doing it behind His back? No, of course, he isn't.

Think about what you are saying!

Of course, while you agonize over whether Satan and the demons will be saved or not I don't have that concern. In your picture, they are real characters who need to be saved at least in principle but the question is can they have it? I my picture the answer is 'no' because they are not characters and not only do they not need saving be that must not be saved because they are symbolic agencies that represent everything we need saving from.

[rosered]

 
  Yes 
   Sistas  .... Only when we can see  it that way ,,,God did sow everything in  death   , so a new Life can and does come  and spring forth out of  it ,   for God so loved the world    That HE GAVE     everything   .

  we are just blessed and on the receiving   end   His blessings  , no doubt about it  , and Gods garden of Life will not  ever   fail Him .

  I will never claim   to know  everything  , that is just being arrogant , seems when we are so sure of anything it crumbles before our  very eyes     ,  GOD IS TRUE .... and faithful as promised ..

Our  waiting on Him  in humility   shows   great  promise  , Love never fails and when we Do love God first and  seek  HIS KINGDOM   , everything does seem to fall into place   and  it is a place of peace    even with our enemies

It seems arrogance is in   spiritual  youth ... [carnal yet in  many ways ]  and  the need for   being forgiven for  Gods name sake    applies , scripture testifies of it   , it is good to  believe it , it is the young men that have overcome the evil one ..

and the fathers know it from the beginning , turning the hearts of the fathers back to the children , these are the prayers answered   ,  the prayers of a righteous man avails much    good to all ...  and what pleases God .

  I do believe spiritual maturity  comes with being seasoned and discerning  spiritual things in high places  and it is the works of   GOD     doing it , we can never take any credit   , but give  the rightful credit where it is due    .
  In   our LORD  JESUS CHRIST being both the LORD OF  the  dead and the living     His WORD   is the   TRUTH

and nothing can  ever prevail against that  , but will crumble   and come to  a complete end   of itself .

Says death is the last enemy  to overcome  in the world , not satan  , but  DEATH itself ,    when the deception    is removed   the truth frees  us all.

Revelation 20:10 "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

Revelation 20:14-15 "Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Rev 21 2But I saw no temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.

23And the city has no need for sun or moon to shine on it, because the glory of God illuminates the city, and the Lamb is its lamp.

24By its light the nations will walk, and into it the kings of the earth will bring their glory.

25Its gates will never be shut at the end of the day, because there will be no night there.

26And into the city will be brought the glory and honor of the nations.

27But nothing unclean will ever enter it,

nor anyone who practices an abomination or a lie,

but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life.

  I cannot help but think of Jesus telling   the disciples , students of the Word ,  when they were experiencing the power of the HOLY SPIRIT   working in them   to have power over all the enemy  [death]   , they were thrilled   , but Jesus told them   a TRUTH  ,  be rejoicing that their names were written in the Lambs book of life   ! ..

To me and my  :2c:    this is the ultimate goal   to be found in   Him ...  His Spirit of truth  making everything  NEW & glorious , we could never be anything but obedient   , Keeping His   WORD   ALIVE   in hope loving everyone as God does   ..

and the royal law  of How we can honor God   though the Lord Jesus Christ  /Living Word .

,,,  James 2 A Warning against Favoritism
...7Are they not the ones who blaspheme the noble Name by which you have been called?

8If you really keep the royal law stated in Scripture, "Love your neighbor as yourself," you are doing well.

9But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors....

Leviticus 19:18
'You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the sons of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself; I am the LORD.

Matthew 7:12
In everything, then, do to others as you would have them do to you. For this is the essence of the Law and the prophets.

Romans 13:8
Be indebted to no one, except to one another in love, for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the Law.

Romans 13:10
Love does no wrong to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the Law.

James 2:19
You believe that God is one. Good for you! Even the demons believe that, and shudder!

James 4:11
Brothers, do not slander one another.

Anyone who speaks against his brother or judges him speaks against the Law and judges it.

And if you judge the Law, you are not a practitioner of the Law, but a judge of it.

I do believe it will be when we are all   considered equal  as a family of   GOD  and everyone is important to God   , He makes   that known   in His Word   in many ways  and   when respect   is   given     and we esteem   everyone with  regard    to boundaries    , treat them as you like to be treated   things will change .

But the testing and trials of faith will not end till we get it right   and than move on to other things .

I am just now after all this time learning   this !!! Being overcome by the world   and not overcoming the world fully  yet  :sigh:


Every time I  think it is going well ,  than  bam , its not , evil is present   and a little evil destroys much good !! [leaven ]

evil has to be exposed to the Light    in order for it to be done away with in Christ  , hardened hearts must be broken in order   to  be made new .

Humbled  is a contrite ,a'' broken  heart" before the Lord Whom will never despise  it .

The Glory of the New Covenant
...13We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to keep the Israelites from gazing at the end of what was fading away. 14But their minds were closed. For to this day the same veil remains at the reading of the old covenant. It has not been lifted, because only in Christ can it be removed. 15And even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts....

Acts 13:15
After the reading from the Law and the Prophets, the synagogue leaders sent word to them: "Brothers, if you have a word of encouragement for the people, please speak."

Acts 15:21
For Moses has been proclaimed in every city from ancient times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath."

Romans 11:7
What then? What Israel was seeking, it failed to obtain, but the elect did. The others were hardened,

2 Corinthians 3:6
And He has qualified us as ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

2 Corinthians 3:15
And even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts.

2 Corinthians 4:3
And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing.

2 Corinthians 4:4
The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers so they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

Ephesians 4:18
They are darkened in their understanding and alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardness of their hearts.

I do believe we are seeking to have the heart of Flesh in Jesus Christ to keep us    Alive   and that  is  necessary   knowledge   to seek after

  Without the pliable love of God entering  His rest  is impossible   with out Him changing us   , we bow the knee and confess our  need for His   life changing  love to overcome the world    because the saints were overcome by the world ... 

  Rev 13 The Beast from the Sea

...6And the beast opened its mouth to blaspheme against God and slander His name and His tabernacle—those who dwell in heaven.

7Then the beast was permitted to wage war against the saints and conquer them, and it was given authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation.

8And all who dwell on the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain....

It is all GODS   as it is written !!!! and named them all   for HIS GLORY !!! 


Psalm 89:11
The heavens are Yours, the earth also is Yours; The world and all it contains, You have founded them  .

   pSALMS 147It is Good to Sing Praises to Our God
...3He heals the brokenhearted And binds up their wounds. 4He counts the number of the stars; He gives names to all of them. 5Great is our Lord and abundant in strength; His understanding is infinite....

Genesis 15:5
And He took him outside and said, "Now look toward the heavens, and count the stars, if you are able to count them." And He said to him, "So shall your descendants be."

Isaiah 40:26
Lift up your eyes on high And see who has created these stars, The One who leads forth their host by number, He calls them all by name; Because of the greatness of His might and the strength of His power, Not one of them is missing.


All things are possible with God        we got to keep  that   hope alive ..    :HeartThrob:

[sheila]

Jason..the evil spirits on the Pharisee's knew who Jesus was...not the men[pharisee's/sadducee's]for if they had known He was the Lord of glory..they would not have crucified

him.there are two nations down here...God's spirit seed sons in flesh[Israel]..and an invisible  evil spirit seed[tares]nation.  that is why we do not judge  by the

appearance of the eyes. satan and evil spirits are 'tools"..they provide the wicked  negative contrast' portion[TOKOGAE]in this temporal exercize with evil.

the enmity between the serpent seed and the woman's. :2c:

[sheila]

it was for the reason the Pharisee's were blinded[decieved]by satan that Jesus said they were 'blind'guides!He prayed for them who were used of satan to crucify Him as

they knew not what they did. Because they insisted they could see He let them remain in their decieved state. :2c:

[sheila]

Judas had a 'devil"liar..first measure of corruption,,,thief[helped himself to the moneybag/begrudged 'waste 'of perfume poured out on Christ=2nd measure of corruption

leading unto betrayl of Christ for silver..as satan entered into him with the sop..becoming a murderer....portraying fully the corrupt image/likeness/personality of satan.3rd.

Judas repented for his part in it..but it was really the wicked work of the prince of this world.the liar/thief/man-killer.satanmeantitforevil..but Godfor thegood. :2c:

[sheila]

 :2c: Judas..portraying satan who did not keep his position in heaven..no-one lost but the son of perdition...that the scriptures may be fulfilled..also as'himwho would

have been better off to have not been born[his works/arm better to be cut off,his eye better to be plucked out],it is this 'little'member of the whole that it is better to be cut

off...that the whole body[all men raised upinChrist] not perish.Better that the adversaries seed never bore in our flesh.[woe to the earth the devil has come down toyou]

he lost his position in heaven..and on this earth...twice dead. satan bruised our heel..but Christ crushed his head.


Just as inthe daysof Noah..sons of God saw daughters of men..marrying and giving in marriage. demonic 'men of sin' have infiltrated churches and brought forth doctrines of

devils..which make for many spots and wrinkles in the churches.foolish virgin[silly women] class that miss out on the wedding supper[true sayingsof God] on this side.


never-the-less....all men will be delivered from all the places they have been scattered..each in his order...they will pass under the rod and Hewill bring them into the bonds

of the covenant of LIFE.write the royal law of love in their hearts and minds..wipe away all  tears.

...the High Priest prophesied when the giving of Christ up to the cross drew nigh...that it was better for one to perish that the nation may live. Christ bore thosesins

as the Lord's lot/goat of Atonement...and in His final act of atonement He will place those confessed sins on the head of Azazel's scapegoat.......

Judas goats lead sheep/men to slaughter. :2c:

[CST]

,,,  James 2 A Warning against Favoritism
...7Are they not the ones who blaspheme the noble Name by which you have been called?

8If you really keep the royal law stated in Scripture, "Love your neighbor as yourself," you are doing well.

9But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors....

Yes, but is it OK to favour God?

Jason..the evil spirits on the Pharisee's knew who Jesus was...not the men[pharisee's/sadducee's]for if they had known He was the Lord of glory..they would not have crucified

him.there are two nations down here...God's spirit seed sons in flesh[Israel]..and an invisible  evil spirit seed[tares]nation.  that is why we do not judge  by the

appearance of the eyes. satan and evil spirits are 'tools"..they provide the wicked  negative contrast' portion[TOKOGAE]in this temporal exercize with evil.

the enmity between the serpent seed and the woman's. :2c:

Evil spirits on the Pharisees? So are the Pharisees doing what they accuse Jesus of doing? Is the kingdom of Satan divided against its self after all?

If the Pharisees had demons why didn't Jesus just excise them instead of reprimands which were obviously meaningless. The Pharisees opposed Jesus to protect their own interests demons had nothing to do with it.

Judas had a 'devil"liar..first measure of corruption,,,thief[helped himself to the moneybag/begrudged 'waste 'of perfume poured out on Christ=2nd measure of corruption

leading unto betrayl of Christ for silver..as satan entered into him with the sop..becoming a murderer....portraying fully the corrupt image/likeness/personality of satan.3rd.

Judas repented for his part in it..but it was really the wicked work of the prince of this world.the liar/thief/man-killer.satanmeantitforevil..but Godfor thegood. :2c:

Careful, I think it's generally held Judas did not repent (although I may be wrong it may just be the NLT), he experienced remorse but he did not repent. I can't conclusively speak to that but I do believe that suicide is certainly not the best expression of repentance.

[marie glen]

I think there is the assumption that Judas by hanging himself.. did deeply regret (imo, anyway:) So likely repented toward God and the Lord Jesus.. The verse, none were lost but the son of perdition, is like all the others.. "But not 'for ever'!" [imo, that is, of course :smile: ]

"He who dwells in love dwells in God" I believe that's God's major measuring stick (imo).. And I wouldn't be at all surprised if when we all see Him, we all realize we didn't understand half so much as we now so strongly think we do.. :HeartThrob: :laughing7:
   :girlheart:

[rosered]

I think there is the assumption that Judas by hanging himself.. did deeply regret (imo, anyway:) So likely repented toward God and the Lord Jesus.. The verse, none were lost but the son of perdition, is like all the others.. "But not 'for ever'!" [imo, that is, of course :smile: ]

"He who dwells in love dwells in God" I believe that's God's major measuring stick (imo).. And I wouldn't be at all surprised if when we all see Him, we all realize we didn't understand half so much as we now so strongly think we do.. :HeartThrob: :laughing7:
   :girlheart:

Amen  , and amen again   ,  beautifully said!!   :banana: :dsunny: :HeartThrob:

  If  Love keeps no record of wrong doing   and God is love .

I do not see how  anyone can get past that without examining their own hearts  motives  :laughing7:


I have considered  ,  but do not know  , when they    shuck   hulls [ bodies of death]     

  Knowing the   Spirit goes back to God who gave it in the first place   and , all souls /lives are His

Makes me very confident   in the LORDS   judging the   whole world in righteousness   
  and sis I have finally learned to  rest   in that hope ...

   We have our own personal  battles  that wage war against  the Holy Spirit   in many ways .

A good part of that is not understanding the will of God   , and that is  .

  It is Gods will no one perishes    , being long suffering and patient towards us all    and   subjecting His whole creation to vanity   to prove the point ,HE IS GOD  , and there is no other gods before Him ...

  None  can or will boast in anything but the Lord when the knowledge is made fully known . 

   and LOVE   is what    was   , and is   and will complete and perfect us all  , not any  without the other being included .. 

  Just a hope   alive  , till we can experience   the real deal going down .  I can be wrong  here , but  I want to forgive   so I can be forgiven   of   wrong doing   and   the Lord will not hold it against us /me /  anyone . 

Hope makes us not ashamed  , because God's love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, who has been given to us to  speak so boldly  and waiting on the Lord to bring everything into the Light   and not to judge anything before He   comes to do this , His finished work so perfectly   in everyone  .


:dsunny:     :HeartThrob:

[marie glen]

    :thumbsup: :HeartThrob: Amen, sister.. :gsmile:

[rosered]

Quote from: rosered on March 14, 2018, 09:23:28 PM
,,,  James 2 A Warning against Favoritism
...7Are they not the ones who blaspheme the noble Name by which you have been called?

8If you really keep the royal law stated in Scripture, "Love your neighbor as yourself," you are doing well.

9But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors....

Yes, but is it OK to favour God?

    Hi CST ,
 
  I am convinced already  many will be bowing the knee     in this short life  , as we can realize our powerlessness  of ourselves   against   evil .    and many are yet to learn  at the end of their souls / lives .[last day in the earth ]

  Conviction is of the Holy Spirit teaching us   something is wrong here  , in my heart and  there  is  an  empty    void , nothing in the world can fill .

I do believe it is when the pride of life has run its course    and   you cry out to God   in pain and  loneliness   , knowing something is a miss .  pleading your need for Him to come and take a hold of it  for you , humbled by  Him .

  I recall the first time I actually  felt guilt   over wrong doing   , and was very young .
  I did not know God whatsoever    , but I knew    God was the    reason I felt this way  .
 
I do believe it is when you begin to consider the Lord   in your life ,    and it begins to take shape and form somthing in you  that was   asleep    and not  awakened yet . Jesus Christ will rise in your heart  and give Light where the darkness dwelt .

   I believe it is Christ Spirit   joined with the Fathers   Spirit  in a union   to do the works     that pleases  GOD  though the Holy Spirit  , that is everyone gathered  already   and waiting upon us , remember the angles rejoice   in heaven over one sinner  whom repents   and changes his mind from the beast mind  to the mind of  Christ being  obedient to the law and will of God   the Holy Father  that none should perish .  This will draw many  of men to Christ /anointing Light by doing the good works  though your salvation and glorify God  though Jesus Christ .

I also believe you can  ignore that    conviction and   fall into a world of hurt .

With pain and sorrow  with suffering and bitterness of the soul [mind of the beast  that does not know the will of God ] , the longer you put  it off the more  death you do experience  .

  You can harden your heart  , just  as Pharaoh did   and   GOD    can cut us off   from His Love /Holy Spirit witness  , being the only power and source of  REAL LOVE   comes from HIM /HOLY SPIRIT gifts    and hardening it even further    and never find rest for your souls till  it is is broken    in defeat  . 

and just as a beast  gnaws its tongue in pain , will also blaspheme   Gods good name   of which  we are called    to    honor  Just as Jesus still does .

So I know without Him we can do nothing of ourselves   but die   and know the depths of satan   and death is our wages   for this working in us and though us  there is no real peace for the wicked , but troubles  come to  those  whom hold out  and allow the evil one to rob God and you of your salvation  , being partakers with them   have made your life a slave to sin and error .

  The dead know nothing   as they ought  , When Jesus told   a disciple when he went to bury his  father , He told him , let the dead bury the dead , you come follow me  .

  He was going to lead him to Life in Christ and win many souls to the LORD by  the good works being manifested in the earth and writing  them down for our benefit to this very day    ..  The cross of the Lord Jesus CHRIST   brought the new covenant in to    effect       and death would loose its sting and power over    the lives   of many   , by ONE  whom gave His  own Life   to the world    and take away the sins of   the whole world   though Him    , He  would gather  them up one by one   the fragments that remain .

  The Word of Life as we hear    His voice by faith believe in Him    and by the Holy Spirit receive     the gifts of God   by being faithful in a few things  and many more will be added unto you   as we  continue to  obey  His voice    and grow in truth and grace and
  shall live  and never die .  the kingdom of heaven is yours  , seek it first and everything else will be added unto you   as an abundant life in  our Lord Jesus Christ living in you and though you  ,strengthening you , joined with   joy and unspeakable and full of glory !!

Luke 9:60
But Jesus told him, "Let the dead bury their own dead. You, however, go and proclaim the kingdom of God."

   I would say  we  should all take heed    to our calling   brother    while heaven is open   to receive anyone  , of whomsoever will :dsunny:

[Jason]

I believe in
The Big What If(s):
• the scriptures are all corrupted by the seed of Satan (Cain and his descendants)
• the white western people are Israel's descendants (this one could be kind of obvious)
• "you are all (white western descendants of Adam) sons and daughters of the most high" - of Yahwah
• these sons/daughters (Eloheem - including Yahwasua (Jesus)) of Yahwah were with Yahwah before the foundation of the world
• all other races hate white people because white people "are not of this world"
• Cain's (Satan's) descendants control the world (banking systems, government, schools, churches, etc.) - they call themselves Jews (but they are not, they do lie, they're Edomites)
• Yahwasua (Jesus) knew these above facts (well, I suppose you can't call them facts if you don't believe them), and therefore declared that these "Jews" (Edomites) and their ancestors/descendants were going to be responsible for every murder ever to happen

essentially the whole principle here is that Cain and his descendants are devils in flesh and blood bodies, while the Eloheem/Adamic race are sons/daughters of Yahwah in flesh and blood bodies - if this is true, then it makes sense for Yahwasua (Jesus) to call Judas a devil (quite literally) and then it also makes sense for Him to call these "Jews" (Edomites) the children of the devil (Satan)

I'm definitely not saying to avenge yourselves (for those who take the sword must die by the sword, God will repay, vengeance belongs to Him, "you do not know what spirit you are of", etc.).  I don't want any of you to be puffed up by this knowledge either (if you will actually believe it).  Here it is though.  I do have to say I'm inclined to believe it.  If these things are true, then it also makes sense that Yahwasua (Jesus) was also Melchizedek and that John the Baptist was Elijah.  It also then makes sense that the children are "partakers" of flesh and blood, rather than just literally being flesh and blood.

Oh, btw, how could the disciples of Yahwasua baptize in the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost if they don't know their Names?

There is power in the real names of the highest God ("Then said David to the Philistine, You come to me with a sword, and with a spear, and with a shield: but I come to you IN THE NAME of Yahwah of hosts, the God of the armies of Israel, whom you have defied.  This day will Yahwah deliver you into my hand; and I will smite you, and take your head from you; and I will give the carcases of the host of the Philistines this day unto the fowls of the air, and to the wild beasts of the earth; THAT ALL THE EARTH MAY KNOW THAT THERE IS A GOD IN ISRAEL.  And all this assembly shall know that Yahwah saves not with sword and spear: for the battle is Yahwah's, and he will give you into our hands.")  and His first-begotten from the dead, and that's why these names have been obscured.

Well... that's that.  If you can believe it, then it's through Yahwah's Spirit.  Glory be to Him and Our Saviour Yahwasua.

[jabcat]

Just a couple of requests for clarification, in case I'm misunderstanding;

do you believe the scriptures (accurately translated, rightly divided, spirit-revealed) are trustworthy (taking into account translation issues)?  Or corrupted to the point of not being a final say in faith in practice?

do you believe the white race is a chosen, superior race? 

Please very specifically answer these 2 questions.

Thanks.

[CST]

I think there is the assumption that Judas by hanging himself.. did deeply regret (imo, anyway:) So likely repented toward God and the Lord Jesus.. The verse, none were lost but the son of perdition, is like all the others.. "But not 'for ever'!" [imo, that is, of course :smile: ]

"He who dwells in love dwells in God" I believe that's God's major measuring stick (imo).. And I wouldn't be at all surprised if when we all see Him, we all realize we didn't understand half so much as we now so strongly think we do.. :HeartThrob: :laughing7:
   :girlheart:

As I understand, in the Christian faith, for repentance towards God to mean anything it has to be followed by right action, such as Judas trying to reconcile himself to the other disciples who he had also betrayed. He didn't, he went off and hanged himself which is generally held as a wrong action. Hence why Christian communities often feel they have reason to doubt his repentance. That are the 'curse of God' that is often understood to have befallen his mortal remains after death.

I believe in
The Big What If(s):
• the scriptures are all corrupted by the seed of Satan (Cain and his descendants)
• the white western people are Israel's descendants (this one could be kind of obvious)
• "you are all (white western descendants of Adam) sons and daughters of the most high" - of Yahwah
• these sons/daughters (Eloheem - including Yahwasua (Jesus)) of Yahwah were with Yahwah before the foundation of the world
• all other races hate white people because white people "are not of this world"
• Cain's (Satan's) descendants control the world (banking systems, government, schools, churches, etc.) - they call themselves Jews (but they are not, they do lie, they're Edomites)
• Yahwasua (Jesus) knew these above facts (well, I suppose you can't call them facts if you don't believe them), and therefore declared that these "Jews" (Edomites) and their ancestors/descendants were going to be responsible for every murder ever to happen

essentially the whole principle here is that Cain and his descendants are devils in flesh and blood bodies, while the Eloheem/Adamic race are sons/daughters of Yahwah in flesh and blood bodies - if this is true, then it makes sense for Yahwasua (Jesus) to call Judas a devil (quite literally) and then it also makes sense for Him to call these "Jews" (Edomites) the children of the devil (Satan)

I'm definitely not saying to avenge yourselves (for those who take the sword must die by the sword, God will repay, vengeance belongs to Him, "you do not know what spirit you are of", etc.).  I don't want any of you to be puffed up by this knowledge either (if you will actually believe it).  Here it is though.  I do have to say I'm inclined to believe it.  If these things are true, then it also makes sense that Yahwasua (Jesus) was also Melchizedek and that John the Baptist was Elijah.  It also then makes sense that the children are "partakers" of flesh and blood, rather than just literally being flesh and blood.

Oh, btw, how could the disciples of Yahwasua baptize in the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost if they don't know their Names?

There is power in the real names of the highest God ("Then said David to the Philistine, You come to me with a sword, and with a spear, and with a shield: but I come to you IN THE NAME of Yahwah of hosts, the God of the armies of Israel, whom you have defied.  This day will Yahwah deliver you into my hand; and I will smite you, and take your head from you; and I will give the carcases of the host of the Philistines this day unto the fowls of the air, and to the wild beasts of the earth; THAT ALL THE EARTH MAY KNOW THAT THERE IS A GOD IN ISRAEL.  And all this assembly shall know that Yahwah saves not with sword and spear: for the battle is Yahwah's, and he will give you into our hands.")  and His first-begotten from the dead, and that's why these names have been obscured.

Well... that's that.  If you can believe it, then it's through Yahwah's Spirit.  Glory be to Him and Our Saviour Yahwasua.

OK, first of all, Cain has no seed so they can't have either corrupted the scriptures or be either Jews or Edomites or is control of the world's financial, political and social institutions. They are dead, they were drowned in the great flood. The only survivors being Noah and his family, Noah being descended from Cain's brother Seth. Or do you think you know something about the history of these events that the Bible doesn't tell us?

Secondly, as eluded to in jabcat's second question, several other aspects of that post smack of racism both general (white supremacy) and specific (antisemitism) though I concede you have not specifically nailed your colours to any of these masts because you have posed them as questions. Which I suspect is why jabcat has felt the need ask what you believe and I feel the same way because if the answer is 'yes' on that issue then as far as this discussion is concerned you and me are done because it scarcely seems worth continuing to discuss the literal meaning of the Bible on Devils and Demons when you believe that a vast proportion of he human population, some of which are our friends and maybe even family, are destined to Perdition, because they are in fact Devils in human clothing. Such thinking doesn't sound like any form of UR I can reasonable recognize.

[marie glen]

I believe in
The Big What If(s):
• the scriptures are all corrupted by the seed of Satan (Cain and his descendants)
• the white western people are Israel's descendants (this one could be kind of obvious)

      :faint: :gsad: :feint:

Jesus said He came only to the 'lost' sheep of Israel.. and where was He? So we can see this is spiritually lost, not physically.

   ..This particular teaching has been around for a long time.. But you know, by time the Median King Cyrus said "let all Israel, in all my kingdom go home", Assyria where the northern tribes (called 'lost') had been carried off to, was part of that kingdom.

And a few years later a census was taken (I forget what chapter) and all twelve tribes were accounted for.. Anna the prophetess at the temple at Jesus' circumcision was from the tribe of Asher.

And all Cainites would have perished at the flood. As only the family of Noah was on the ark. (Cainites w/ a prominant brow?)

North in the state I live in a few years back a group embraced these "offspring of Cain" type teachings and there ended up being murder and all sorts of things.. (If I remember right.) It's easy to fall for. Always, man has sought to cast blame.. surely we can't all be responsible for the state of life? There's one race responsible, the human race.
    :Peace2:

I actually for a short time wondered if EA could be true.. eternal annihilation.. maybe some people God was not the one who created them, but very soon, by following where such leads.. (very bad fruit) I rejected that.. After that the only thing left was UR. :smile:

(Edomites) and their ancestors/descendants were going to be responsible for every murder ever to happen

No verse says this. Watching the evening news disproves this.

essentially the whole principle here is that Cain and his descendants are devils in flesh and blood bodies, while the Eloheem/Adamic race are sons/daughters of Yahwah in flesh and blood bodies

....sounds like white folk are divine and no need to repent at all.. (no logic)


 

[sheila]

 :2c:it's not the Holy spirit putting those kinds of thoughts in people's heads.doctrines of demons causing division/strife. smh

[CST]

      :faint:  :feint:

What on Earth is the difference between these two emojis meant to be. And for the information of whoever designs these emoticons 'feint' is not meant to be an alternative spelling of 'faint' (swoon) but in fact is a word that either means 'faint' (unclear) and is also used as a word to mean 'deceive' or 'act falsely' or the 'faint' ruled lines paper. I repeat it does not mean faint' (swoon) and I don't know why this site has two virtually identical emojis for exactly the same thing.

[rosered]

:2c:it's not the Holy spirit putting those kinds of thoughts in people's heads.doctrines of demons causing division/strife. smh

Amen sis !!
  The Lord warned,  When I return will I find faith in the earth ?.

Without faith in Him  and His works    it is impossible to PLEASE HIM ... without Him we can do nothing of ourselves .

That error   of evil     the works of   darkness ,  increasing the knowledge of    earthly sensual and devilish   wisdom of the world    and placing doubts   in  the  hearts   of   the hearers.

  Holy Spirit   works   by  convicting    us of sin  [cleansing us  from the   filth of the lies ]and chastens us[ scourging every one received , and  learning  righteousness   of Him   with the mind of Christ   and   comforts  us    with  Words of Life 

    But every  little detail  of the law must be fulfilled first  , bringing them to  brokenness  nothing   ,  in order  for the Lord to come   heal   the broken  hearted and poor in spirit .

[CST]

:2c:it's not the Holy spirit putting those kinds of thoughts in people's heads.doctrines of demons causing division/strife. smh

Amen sis !!
  The Lord warned,  When I return will I find faith in the earth ?.

And if He doesn't does that mean no one will be saved in the first order? At this rate 'in the earth' will likely be the only place He finds faith, 'on the Earth'? Forget it.

[sheila]

scripturally.to faint..means to die....but we 'faint not"but mount up on eagle's wings[our spirits rise up from our 'dead  bodies/carcass".good emoji imo...to describe

such thouhts as listed..for death/not life was surely being spewed[draon breath] Father,have mercy on your people..that they not be victims of such 'draon-head'meat..

but be founded on truth ,understanding and love. All men are sheep..and you alone can lead them to green pastures and waters of life...and deliver them from allplaces

they have been scattered.

feint=amock blow or attack/pretense.like 'fake someone out" I find both of Marie's emos very accurate. :2c:

[rosered]

  I too   :iagree:

  If we have any kind of confidence  in the power of the HOLY SPIRIT    to teach us    ALL   TRUTH  . not  of ourselves

   The testimony of Jesus Christ is the Spirit of prophecy     , it is the HOLY SPIRIT of Truth .   

  Jesus Promises the Holy Spirit
...25All this I have spoken to you while I am still with you.

26But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have told you. 27Peace I leave with you; My peace I give to you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled; do not be afraid....

John 16:13
However, when the Spirit of truth comes, He will guide you into all truth. For He will not speak on His own, but He will speak what He hears, and He will declare to you what is to come.

Acts 1:4
And when they were gathered together, He commanded them: "Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift the Father promised, which you have heard Me discuss.


  Jerusalem The name "Shalem", whether as a town or a deity, is derived from the same root as the word "shalom", meaning peace, so that the common interpretation of the name is now "The City of Peace" or "Abode of Peace". ... Other midrashim say that Jerusalem means "City of Peace".

God put the warning in the bible  in the end of anyone   adding to or taking away   from the BOOK OF LIFE   

  the Whole book  testifies of  the Lord Jesus Christ   ,    I believe   that warning was  put in there on purpose for this very  reason , but if you have the Spirit of God   and the Spirit of Christ   in you  , you will never fall   from His grace ...


...10But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet the Spirit gives you life because of righteousness.



11And if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead lives in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit, who dwells within you.


12Therefore, brothers, we have an obligation, but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it....

John 5:21
For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom He wishes.

Acts 2:24
But God raised Him from the dead, releasing Him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for Him to be held in its clutches.

Acts 2:32
God has raised this Jesus to life, to which we are all witnesses.

Romans 6:4
We therefore were buried with Him through baptism into death, in order that,

just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may walk in newness of life.

Romans 8:1
Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

Romans 8:2
For in Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life has set you free from the law of sin and death.

Romans 8:9
You, however, are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you.

And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.


It is   about being in the right Spirit   and whom leads you to Life and  is IN YOU  and  frees you from the  slavery of sin ...