Does Pharaoh Typify Satan?

[Jason]

Reading the account of the plagues of Egypt in the OT with Moses, Pharaoh, and the children of Israel, it seems to me that Pharaoh typifies Satan.
What I mean is that there are certain plagues where Pharaoh hardened his heart, and others where God hardened Pharaoh's heart.  God says that He raised up Pharaoh for this very purpose: to show forth His signs and wonders.  Could it be the same with Satan, the devil? (to a much greater extent)

I am just wondering if others think the same.  (yes, I believe in UR)

I am curious because I'm sure there are many who would say they will never forgive Satan. (I believe they will forgive him through Jesus Christ, such as how the Jewish lady in one of your videos couldn't forgive the Nazi except through Jesus Christ's power.)

[Ross]

What I mean is that there are certain plagues where Pharaoh hardened his heart, and others where God hardened Pharaoh's heart.  God says that He raised up Pharaoh for this very purpose: to show forth His signs and wonders.  Could it be the same with Satan, the devil? (to a much greater extent)

Quite likely - I.M.O satan given a task and the power to carry  that out to the letter.

1 John 3;8 " The one who sins is of the devil because the devil has been sinning from the beginning.
                   THE SON OF GOD APPEARED FOR THIS PURPOSE;
                                     THAT HE MIGHT DESTROY THE WORKS OF THE DEVIL."

[jugghead]

IMO ... by giving "the traducer" a name (the devil) and by giving "the accuser" a name (Satan) and since the first thing that comes to mind with these two is "evil" we tend to forget their original meanings:

traducer means: one who speaks maliciously and falsely of; slander;defame

accuser means: one who accuses

when the words traducer and accuser are used; it describes all of mankind

but when the words (names) are used (the devil or Satan); we tend to only assign them to the evilest of people throughout history

So how crafty and subtle is the carnal mind that it can take the focus off itself and deny that it is not the devil, yet it traduces (speaks maliciously and falsely of others) and also deny that it is not Satan, yet it accuses others.

IMO ..... the "carnal mind" is the serpent, it is the devil, it is Satan and of course the first thing the carnal mind does is deny that this is true, the "carnal mind" always finds someone or something else to blame so it is not held accountable.

and this same principle applies to the word "evil", its original meaning means: hurtful; by using the word "hurtful" it can describe all of mankind, but use the word "evil" and it is assigned to describe a much smaller group of people.

How crafty is the carnal mind to use a more intense description (evil) to take the focus off itself which is included in the subtle description (hurtful).

We all became the enemy of God and God let it happen to show His glory, to show us what He is capable of doing and what I fully believe it is: He is capable of saving us from ourselves.

I have no idea how long this post might stay up here before it is deleted and if I get booted for saying this, but I can no longer hold back what I have been convinced of.

Blessings to all if I am no longer a member here.

[WhiteWings]

Romans 9
17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth."
18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills.

[rosered]

  :iagree:  For me , can agree with everyone of you  to be honest .

  Satans power  , would not have any if it were not given  from Above . God is in  total and complete control .

What makes satan,  satan  ?  lacking the love of God in them  or very little  in my opinion .

  Being in the wrong  [satan]   siding with evil   , but to not stay in the wrong , choosing to do   good  and cover the evil with good / love / Blood of Jesus  till we can be just like Jesus .

  It says everyone is naked before Gods eyes and  laid bare  , open  [heart]   .
  How can the second death have no power over you or harm you   as the scriptures   profess  to us
  If  we were not   letting satan rule us or  offended  and hurt over every little thing  someone does that is not to our liking ?

  Boy does that not sound like everyone   but JESUS CHRIST ?   :eek:  having the mind of Christ   you can begin to overcome the world .... it is about overcoming the world  in death and  laying  in wickedness  right ?

  Blessed is he whom is not offended because of ME   ..
the Truth offends  so many    Cognate: 4624 skandalízō – properly, set a snare ("stumbling-block"); (figuratively) "to hinder right conduct or thought; to cause to stumble" – literally, "to fall into a trap" (Abbott-Smith). See 4625 (skandalon).


  Thank you all for  revealing some   more  truth that is setting us free from error /sin .

[rosered]

  Ps , 
My hubby made a good point too .
He said , If you   keep it simple  and apply  what you read in the bible  to yourself and  your own life , than  you will have something to work with .
I have to agree ,    When you see  evil /bad in others or  in  the scriptures or in the world and always apply it to  them  [figures ] or history  as past or  future  as  some big uprising  ,  than we fail to see   what we see in the mirror , the bible is like a mirror  a law  to refect what manner of  spirit we are of . 

  That is what was stumbling the Scribes Pharisees and hypocrites  sons of the devil   so badly IMO.

  They were saying it right ,  great swelling words  of truth  , but never applied it to themselves   and  do not  do as they do .

  Jesus said to those whom have ears to hear   what the Spirit of truth is saying .

I recall the first time I read  Jesus  calling Peter Satan and to get behind him ,stumbling block ,  that was not   doing Gods will  ,

but  doing what mankind does  and that is making themselves comfortable  and right .

What a rebuke  huh?

Says JESUS CHRIST / TRUTH is a stumbling block and rock of offence   for everyone  ...    now that is a mind blower   :eek:

I personally think  and could be judged for being wrong  her by the LORD and fellow mankind 
  But folks give to much power to satan / adversary / false accuser / tempter /   and  slanderer

  I am guilty of   siding and being a partaker   of  all the above   bad things  and a world of hurt 

Whom does not understand bitterness and  fear that someone  is evil and have nothing to do with them because you see them as   the devil and yet the very thing we are doing is devilish  in nature ?
 
  Hurt people,  hurt people   and need healed     , because our true nature is to LOVE and be loved .

GOD  IS LOVE and the only source of power to love   completely   especially our enemies  , and   thought of this before
  what if the greatest enemy of all  was   hidden  within us ? but Christ comes  to bind the strong man  up  and clean the  house
and  have us inspected [7 eyes of the Spirit] but if that man leaves his house to wander  in dry places seeking rest and finding none  , but returns with 7 more wicked  than himself  , the house will become desolate  ...Babylons curses


  Because we did not obey the  Lord in  stay in your  cleaned  house [virgin /mind / heart] but seeked Babylon  [Isaiah ch  4 & chapter   5 ] clarifies   Jesus parable of the strong man  of the house   Adams rule , in Adam all die ,
Till CHRIST  comes to destroy the wicked one , that man of sin  with the breath of His coming  ,with  the HOLY SPIRIT AND FIRE

and the devil is  being burning up / works of evil  against God and mankind  in our hearts ? [lake of fire  ]   Jesus is our rest and our peace and all our Hope   to Live  and He come to send fire upon the earth  and a great Division   of two laws   death & life   that are ours  .   Just some thoughts to hopefully consider also , as to where we are at  on this road that leads to Christ /life .

[WhiteWings]

My hubby made a good point too .
He said , If you   keep it simple  and apply  what you read in the bible  to yourself and  your own life , than  you will have something to work with .

It's never that simple.

If you only understand and do "love your neighbor and believe Christ died and rose from the dead" then you don't have to read to read the rest of the Bible. Then you are on the road to heaven so to speak.

But most of Chritianity isn't even able to do that.
They believ Christ rose because that's a freebie.
Helping the neighbor costs, so that should be avoided at all costs...
So most Christians are on the highway tp LoF  :2c:

[rosered]

My hubby made a good point too .
He said , If you   keep it simple  and apply  what you read in the bible  to yourself and  your own life , than  you will have something to work with .

It's never that simple.

If you only understand and do "love your neighbor and believe Christ died and rose from the dead" then you don't have to read to read the rest of the Bible. Then you are on the road to heaven so to speak.

But most of Chritianity isn't even able to do that.
They believ Christ rose because that's a freebie.
Helping the neighbor costs, so that should be avoided at all costs...
So most Christians are on the highway tp LoF  :2c:

Well if  all those whom never had  a bible in the first place are in heaven already  , I would say that  everything come from God

  and to God it returns   back to Him that was His in the first place   to do with whatever He wants  with it .

  Jesus Christ is the greatest  servant of all and serves everyone  and  God first   and foremost  , doing everything He asks of HIM  ..

He was the purest of pure and  everyone hated Him and misunderstood him , even  those  that followed him  , did not understand  him ,

But Jesus died for the sins of the whole world   , that is a heavy load to bear  upon one  soul  , especially when he was pure and  innocent of  any evil  doing ever . but he gave everything  up and  gave everything  away  to mankind ,  so many  would be saved   because of Him , in this life and giving them  endless life to come .

Mark 10 37They answered, "Grant that one of us may sit at Your right hand and the other at Your left in Your glory."

38"You do not know what you are asking," Jesus replied. "Can you drink the cup I will drink, or be baptized with the baptism I will undergo?"

39"We can," they answered.

"You will drink the cup that I drink," Jesus said, "and you will be baptized with the baptism I undergo. 40But to sit at My right or My left is not Mine to grant. These places belong to those for whom they have been prepared."

41On hearing this, the ten became indignant with James and John.

42So Jesus called them together and said, "You know that those regarded as rulers of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them, and their superiors exercise authority over them.

43But it shall not be this way among you.

Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant,


44and whoever wants to be first must be the slave of all.


45For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life as a ransom for many."

My thoughts are , it starts   within you as   Him cleaning up the inside first  [presence of His spirit and life ] , and the outer  will follow after He is ruling  within
  Each in their own order  by His life   we are raised  up out of death  completely  in the end as we wait on Him to do it  , but must obey His voice  to live  more and more  as the Day comes  to us , just as He obeyed His Fathers voice to Live   

[CST]

My hubby made a good point too .
He said , If you   keep it simple  and apply  what you read in the bible  to yourself and  your own life , than  you will have something to work with .

It's never that simple.

If you only understand and do "love your neighbor and believe Christ died and rose from the dead" then you don't have to read to read the rest of the Bible. Then you are on the road to heaven so to speak.

But most of Chritianity isn't even able to do that.
They believ Christ rose because that's a freebie.
Helping the neighbor costs, so that should be avoided at all costs...
So most Christians are on the highway tp LoF  :2c:

It's worse than that; remember before that your expected to love God with all your heart, soul, strength. Really, all of it? How do we measure it? Do we all have the same amount? How do we know if we're not doing it right?

It's with whatever surplus we have from that 'all' we're expected to love our neighbour as ourselves (how well are we expected to love ourselves? are we excused if we don't?)

'With man it is impossible...'

[jugghead]

My hubby made a good point too .
He said , If you   keep it simple  and apply  what you read in the bible  to yourself and  your own life , than  you will have something to work with .

It's never that simple.

If you only understand and do "love your neighbor and believe Christ died and rose from the dead" then you don't have to read to read the rest of the Bible. Then you are on the road to heaven so to speak.

But most of Chritianity isn't even able to do that.
They believ Christ rose because that's a freebie.
Helping the neighbor costs, so that should be avoided at all costs...
So most Christians are on the highway tp LoF  :2c:

What she said was simple was the principle that is applied to "everything" we read in the Bible, not the simplicity of having to believe
and do only one or a few things we read in the Bible

and its not that most of Christianity isn't able to do that, "nobody" is able to do it without Christ and the works of the Holy Spirit in us

[rosered]

 
  I agree  with you  , with man it is impossible  , I think that is the  whole point  though  ,   to keep asking and knocking and seeking the Lord  and His help   , the strength is in the Spirit , the Spirit is willing but the flesh is weak , this is how we would  develop  a strong and faithful bond   in the Christ in you the hope of glory

  Coll 1 is a pretty power statement   
  butthis is the highlight of it  ...26the mystery that was hidden for ages and generations but is now revealed to His saints,

27to whom God has chosen to make known among the Gentiles the glorious riches of this mystery,

which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

28We proclaim Him, admonishing and teaching everyone with all wisdom, so that we may present everyone perfect in Christ.      perfect is complete   ,  there is a start of  faith and  we are measured by how  faithful we can be  in a few things

  Parable  of the talents Matthew 25:14–30  what will he have when He returns   ?

  Just some thoughts ,  UR    it is not  a ticket to   freely sin  and anything goes    , it is  just believing in the POWER OF GOD to save   all mankind   , conviction and chastening and comforting is all a part of the process  of everyone   received    into His kingdom  , I don't    think any one is exempt   , but some suffer less because they  are called  last and come in the  last hour     and miss a lot of the heat of the DAY   that can mean   suffering    for good or evil  or both ,   to me  .

[rosered]

My hubby made a good point too .
He said , If you   keep it simple  and apply  what you read in the bible  to yourself and  your own life , than  you will have something to work with .

It's never that simple.

If you only understand and do "love your neighbor and believe Christ died and rose from the dead" then you don't have to read to read the rest of the Bible. Then you are on the road to heaven so to speak.

But most of Chritianity isn't even able to do that.
They believ Christ rose because that's a freebie.
Helping the neighbor costs, so that should be avoided at all costs...
So most Christians are on the highway tp LoF  :2c:

What she said was simple was the principle that is applied to "everything" we read in the Bible, not the simplicity of having to believe
and do only one or a few things we read in the Bible

and its not that most of Christianity isn't able to do that, "nobody" is able to do it without Christ and the works of the Holy Spirit in us

    :thumbsup:  replying at the same time ...


  Many called but few are chosen    :thumbsup:     those that endure to the end
  Paul called it a race    and only one gets the prize ..  many     give out , the saints were overcome  ,  along the way ...

  Just some  things to consider   here 

[sheila]

ah,but the serpent is more subtle/subtil than any beast of the field..and if it would have been a snake it would have bit you.. :2c:

[rosered]

 
  With the human effort everyone fails   ,   I agree it is the Lord we all will glory in ...


  I do not  believe   anyone can fully know the LOVE OF GOD   100%    yet .


I think many have come close , because those forgiven much LOVE much

  The problem   to me was my ego was  bruised   and  become offended    often  , I knew that was not    the Holy Spirit fruits of gentleness  and peace      and joy all those wonderful things   that I read were signs of    GODS LOVE working in us  , but instead of getting angry   all the time and accusing   what I thought was the faults  in others was  within me  :sigh:  as I judged    was seeing the  same hypocrisy     within my own    soul  , many times and many ways     over and over again failing the tests  , when tempted   by satan   for my own lusts  and desires .   and every time it was troubles and more troubles  on top of them   and exhausting.
  Sucking the life right out of you  , leaving you in tears and  stressed out  .
     

  That was the only way  to measure   by  to me ..
   The standard    in the Lord Jesus Christ was  excellent      and could never measure up   without Him , So I begin to ask Him to stay , help me  do this right  and  bless them  Lord ,   that we can all know you  , the way that pleases you ... etc , just simple steps 

  I do believe it is the Lord  that gives everything to us  by the Holy Spirit  the good things and good gifts   from above .

[rosered]

ah,but the serpent is more subtle/subtil than any beast of the field..and if it would have been a snake it would have bit you.. :2c:

  That  is just it  , sis , it  bites you  exactly   in the same way we  bite and devour others ...  same measure

  the Lord sends  fiery serpents  to bite everyone still locked up under the law  ,  If we can see ourselves as having the  same exact law  of the same tree of knowledge of good and evil    , as you judge so shall you be judged ..
  Till you keep your eyes of Jesus and Live     
simple enough to   understand .


Numbers 21:6-8 "(6) And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died. ... (8) And the LORD said unto Moses, Make  a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looks upon it, shall live."

[sheila]

 :2c: I believe that the GREAT act of deliverance that God worked in the great exodus fore-shadows all mankinds deliverance from slavery to sin[desertof Sin] and

Pharoah portrayed an open display in flesh, of the invisible  wicked powers and principalities[princeofthis world] that take men into captivity/slavery to sin. the

generation of Israel that come out in the exodus..were born in captivity/slavery;just as all born of Adam.

   God's signs versus Pharoah's magicians lying signs.....Pharoah's/satan'sfirstborn versus God'sfirstborn.

  so,yes,Pharoah portrayed in the flesh the invisible principality/throne of the wicked one...as much as any'man'can. same as Haman..the jews in captivity..but

in that instance...the plot uncovered of satan's  motive..was not just slavery..but the annhilation/ 2nd death of the nation in captivity.

[rosered]

:2c: I believe that the GREAT act of deliverance that God worked in the great exodus fore-shadows all mankinds deliverance from slavery to sin[desertof Sin] and

Pharoah portrayed an open display in flesh, of the invisible  wicked powers and principalities[princeofthis world] that take men into captivity/slavery to sin. the

generation of Israel that come out in the exodus..were born in captivity/slavery;just as all born of Adam.

   God's signs versus Pharoah's magicians lying signs.....Pharoah's/satan'sfirstborn versus God'sfirstborn.

  so,yes,Pharoah portrayed in the flesh the invisible principality/throne of the wicked one...as much as any'man'can. same as Haman..the jews in captivity..but

in that instance...the plot uncovered of satan's  motive..was not just slavery..but the annhilation/ 2nd death of the nation in captivity.

I do agree the origin of sin /error  comes from the lie  told by the serpent  ,  you will not surly die ,and suffer  while going though it  till you  die 

  God showed   disappointment    and   us punishment for disobedience , like any good parent would .

  turning one over to satan for the destruction of the flesh  so in the Day of the Lord the spirit  will be saved .

  It is mankind's futile attempt to make amends , When God our Father just wanted us to believe  HIM in the first place .

  :2c:

[jugghead]

  Just some thoughts ,  UR    it is not  a ticket to   freely sin  and anything goes    , it is  just believing in the POWER OF GOD to save   all mankind   , conviction and chastening and comforting is all a part of the process  of everyone   received    into His kingdom  , I don't    think any one is exempt   , but some suffer less because they  are called  last and come in the  last hour     and miss a lot of the heat of the DAY   that can mean   suffering    for good or evil  or both ,   to me  .

and THAT is the POWER OF FAITH

[jugghead]

ah,but the serpent is more subtle/subtil than any beast of the field..and if it would have been a snake it would have bit you.. :2c:

so close that it is in the flesh of which His Spirit shall overcome

[sheila]

Paul  spoke of'sin'slaw'in his flesh..sold under sin...the 'warring' in his body members.the 'good' he desires todo..unable to do..that which hedoes notdesire todo

he found himselfdoing.......and the blessed hope of deliverance from that very'body'of death. sin's law,captivity/sold unto slavery and death..and redemption.


if it would have been a snake it would have bit you.ever be seeking something..and look all over the house...look in the same place and check 3 times..and it's not there?

check once again..and there it is.! Jesus must open blind eyes..deaf ears....

[rosered]

 
  When  Adam was created   He was in Gods image and a son of God  , [ male & female  ] no mention of  Eve in the 7 days of creation      and yet they were naked before God and innocent  , and no mention of any children yet .

It was not until GOD put  the deep sleep of Adam  was she  drawn out of his  side /a rib as a helpmeet ,succour  assistance and support in times of hardship and distress.
   aid, help, a helping hand, assistance  to him , the weaker vessel and what  the beast used to , work of their hands to tempt them with   

  How many times do we see in the scriptures that they did not repent of the work of their hands    and made  gods  of idols of

their own  doing ?
Which are nothing   , like the same vanity of life all  mankind   are subjected to  ...

Mankind may not be responsible for the work of their hands ,  but it sure has brought a lot of temptation and suffering though   them , knowing good and evil .
     We are covered by the blood of Jesus / The Lamb of God whom takes away  the sins of the whole world  .
By the works of the FATHER   THOUGH THE SON making it new and restoring that which broke the  breach  of the covenant with mankind in the first place  showing us openly    we can do nothing without God   our true Heavenly Father . 

[jugghead]

:2c: I believe that the GREAT act of deliverance that God worked in the great exodus fore-shadows all mankinds deliverance from slavery to sin[desertof Sin] and

Pharoah portrayed an open display in flesh, of the invisible  wicked powers and principalities[princeofthis world] that take men into captivity/slavery to sin. the

generation of Israel that come out in the exodus..were born in captivity/slavery;just as all born of Adam.

   God's signs versus Pharoah's magicians lying signs.....Pharoah's/satan'sfirstborn versus God'sfirstborn.

  so,yes,Pharoah portrayed in the flesh the invisible principality/throne of the wicked one...as much as any'man'can. same as Haman..the jews in captivity..but

in that instance...the plot uncovered of satan's  motive..was not just slavery..but the annhilation/ 2nd death of the nation in captivity.

Amen sheila  :thumbsup:

[rosered]

Paul  spoke of'sin'slaw'in his flesh..sold under sin...the 'warring' in his body members.the 'good' he desires todo..unable to do..that which hedoes notdesire todo

he found himselfdoing.......and the blessed hope of deliverance from that very'body'of death. sin's law,captivity/sold unto slavery and death..and redemption.


if it would have been a snake it would have bit you.ever be seeking something..and look all over the house...look in the same place and check 3 times..and it's not there?

check once again..and there it is.! Jesus must open blind eyes..deaf ears....

  Exactly , Paul was  testifying   of WHOM  WILL DELIVER ME FROM  THIS BODY OF DEATH  , Paul was experiencing His cross and begging for  forgiveness in humility    knowing the wrong   the Lord bore  for his sake .  Romans 8
He knew satan was  destroying his body  on that cross   to accuse us of weakness   and error , to the world it looks  so pitiful    because we judge according to the flesh , but it was though the Spirit  that all salvation would come though . Paul understood this concept .

  I THANK THE    THE LORD JESUS CHRIST     would  and acknowledging      the power of God to save   through   the SON /SUN    Light of the world   ,   he left death and darkness behind Him when He   met the Lord   LIFE  Himself  .

and go on the  tell of the good news of the gospel  knowing that if Gods grace would save him a  murderer ,   God could save anyone  at any time and any place ....



   

[jugghead]

Paul  spoke of'sin'slaw'in his flesh..sold under sin...the 'warring' in his body members.the 'good' he desires todo..unable to do..that which hedoes notdesire todo

he found himselfdoing.......and the blessed hope of deliverance from that very'body'of death. sin's law,captivity/sold unto slavery and death..and redemption.


if it would have been a snake it would have bit you.ever be seeking something..and look all over the house...look in the same place and check 3 times..and it's not there?

check once again..and there it is.! Jesus must open blind eyes..deaf ears....

What Paul wrote in Romans 7 is exactly what came to my mind also

[rosered]

Paul  spoke of'sin'slaw'in his flesh..sold under sin...the 'warring' in his body members.the 'good' he desires todo..unable to do..that which hedoes notdesire todo

he found himselfdoing.......and the blessed hope of deliverance from that very'body'of death. sin's law,captivity/sold unto slavery and death..and redemption.


if it would have been a snake it would have bit you.ever be seeking something..and look all over the house...look in the same place and check 3 times..and it's not there?

check once again..and there it is.! Jesus must open blind eyes..deaf ears....

What Paul wrote in Romans 7 is exactly what came to my mind also

  I agree  :iagree:  Love the Roman  writings   , I love   the Lords  works  and  ways and mostly   His amazing grace  upon us all .

  I never ever want to  be  or appear   prideful    , I love you all and love what is shared by everyone   ,  it helps  us all  and     want   the salvation of all   more than ever   , I pray for this  all the time to the Father .  :HeartThrob: