Worm Dieth Not

[Jason]

Jesus Christ IS The Worm Who Dies Not AND The Fire Who Is Not Quenched.  "But I am a worm, and no man." - Psalm 22:6

You can't believe Him if God doesn't give you His faith to believe.

I suppose I should say that what I mean by this is obviously that an "eternal hell" doesn't exist.  I guess the best way to illustrate it would be by referring to the gospel account of Mark chapter 9:49,50 "For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt.  Salt is good;..."  So basically what He was saying is that the "salting with fire" would be a purifying, cleansing, healing, GOOD fire - could be referred to as a baptism - Matthew 3:11 "...He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire." - yes, cleansing can be painful... but in the end God will be all in all.

Adding what seems very obvious to me: there is no worm that doesn't die (except Jesus Christ) - clearly - and in Isaiah 66:24 which Jesus was referring to, these were men who transgressed against Him, but were they doing it in ignorance or did they know Him?  I would say that they knew Him, and His unlimited power, and they knew that He "Does Not Die" and that He is "A Consuming Fire"

Well... those are my thoughts on this matter.

I did read your post right below, makes sense, but then if you were reading Mark, I assume you would make the same conclusion that I did if you were ignorant that The Worm Who Dies Not AND The Fire Who Is Not Quenched refers to Jesus Christ abiding in the believers, rather than the carcases.  Thanks for the insight.

[WhiteWings]

http://tentmaker.org/forum/word-studies/matt-611-our-bread/msg170327/#msg170327

http://tentmaker.org/forum/welcome-central/all-forms-of-universalism-are-false-hell-is-real-and-literal-eternal-torment/msg138149/#msg138149

[darryl]

Jesus Christ IS The Worm Who Dies Not AND The Fire Who Is Not Quenched.  "But I am a worm, and no man." - Psalm 22:6

You can't believe Him if God doesn't give you His faith to believe.

Amen...true. :dsunny:

[sheila]

Jacob you worm/new name/ISRAEL... John 11;25  I AM the Resurrection and the life..He who believes in me shalllive,even though he dies. andwhoever lives

and believes in me will never die.. DO you believe this? :2c:

[rosered]

 

I enjoy your thoughts  and post Jason !

I agree  , If the Lord Jesus Christ is gathering everything and one into Himself [ WORD OF Life ] would be the end  result  , He will be the last  name under heaven ,[In Christ all shall be made alive ] that is subjected  all   to Himself as the last enemy being death itself Christ conquered by His own blood  making the new covenant in effect and ,making all things new  and    shall be called by , till God be all in all ... 

  This is the Living Word by the Living Spirit  and no more death nor pain  etc every thing former  is done away in Christ   and HIS WORD /SON  never returns to Him Void  , empty   but fulfills all things  , by Him and for Him and though Him we can do nothing at all of ourselves  , we are totally dependant on Him like a worm  that  feeds off of    His Body ,  eat my body and drink my blood that you may have LIFE  in yourselves .  it is always from HIS WORD  and  Spirit that Life flows from .

1Corh 15 The Order of Resurrection
...27For "God has put everything under His feet." Now when it says that everything has been put under Him, this clearly does not include the One who put everything under Him. 28And when all things have been subjected to Him, then the Son Himself will be made subject to Him who put all things under Him, so that God may be all in all.

29If these things are not so, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized for them?...

  You might find this helpful   mostly  the link ..  It is a bit old  but  this a been  mentioned before  as WW shared some old posts
  lord of the flies where maggots are  bred from    http://tentmaker.org/forum/word-studies/worm-dieth-not/msg194552/#msg194552

  The greatest name under heaven we can be saved by is the LORD JESUS CHRIST  and HE  IS the servant of all ...

  We are to be found in Him . a  very small remnant  as    apart of Him  ...  the WORD of God that  is everything proceeded from .

[marie glen]

That link is, as you say, Rose, very interesting.. about the fly!! - http://www.abarim-publications.com/Meaning/BaalZebub.html#.WpmgUqinHIV

And that's a very interesting thread you linked.. same title as this one.. I thought it looked familiar! :laughing7: just kidding.. i didn't have a clue..

I have to go back and read more of the thread than I just did.. Good call Rosie! And I have to thank you for a post on the thread, I missed before, where you were being your regular sweet girl self! Ty, you are a sweetheart.. I love how you spread around good will and encouragement! :girlheart:
  :Peace2:

[rosered]

That link is, as you say, Rose, very interesting.. about the fly!! - http://www.abarim-publications.com/Meaning/BaalZebub.html#.WpmgUqinHIV

And that's a very interesting thread you linked.. same title as this one.. I thought it looked familiar! :laughing7: just kidding.. i didn't have a clue..

I have to go back and read more of the thread than I just did.. Good call Rosie! And I have to thank you for a post on the thread, I missed before, where you were being your regular sweet girl self! Ty, you are a sweetheart.. I love how you spread around good will and encouragement! :girlheart:
  :Peace2:

  :laughing7:    Yes   , the same ha!   sis MARIE    Good one     :laugh:  went looking for some more   worm threads     ha ha  :friendstu:   

  Lots to learn and still learning     , and love the teacher  :HeartThrob:    makes it   all worth it  in the end .

  Growing in grace and truth   , or is it  truth and grace  upon all  .. :dsunny:

[darryl]

That link is, as you say, Rose, very interesting.. about the fly!! - http://www.abarim-publications.com/Meaning/BaalZebub.html#.WpmgUqinHIV

And that's a very interesting thread you linked.. same title as this one.. I thought it looked familiar! :laughing7: just kidding.. i didn't have a clue..

I have to go back and read more of the thread than I just did.. Good call Rosie! And I have to thank you for a post on the thread, I missed before, where you were being your regular sweet girl self! Ty, you are a sweetheart.. I love how you spread around good will and encouragement! :girlheart:
  :Peace2:

  :laughing7:    Yes   , the same ha!   sis MARIE    Good one     :laugh:  went looking for some more   worm threads     ha ha  :friendstu:   

  Lots to learn and still learning     , and love the teacher  :HeartThrob:    makes it   all worth it  in the end .

  Growing in grace and truth   , or is it  truth and grace  upon all  .. :dsunny:

Amen !  :dsunny:

[darryl]

Jacob you worm/new name/ISRAEL... John 11;25  I AM the Resurrection and the life..He who believes in me shalllive,even though he dies. andwhoever lives

and believes in me will never die.. DO you believe this? :2c:

Yes, Sister...i do believe.  :dsunny:

[rosered]

Jacob you worm/new name/ISRAEL... John 11;25  I AM the Resurrection and the life..He who believes in me shalllive,even though he dies. andwhoever lives

and believes in me will never die.. DO you believe this? :2c:

Yes, Sister...i do believe.  :dsunny:

  So do I also believe   sister  and brother     :dsunny:

[marie glen]

Is that the link I wonder where I read about the contrast.. Herod died and was ate by worms.. Jesus likened to the red worm - I've forgotten the name - that fiercely clings to the tree to protect? shield? its eggs, staining the tree red.. Makes me wonder how many times the salvation and, or life message is portrayed in the universe, and in the insect, plant and animal world.. Besides so much in the bible too..

Staining the tree red.. In my heart of hearts I believe it was the only way.. Not to appease God's justice, but it had to be strong enough so all could understand they are forgiven(?) Imagine being one of the world's very worst of cruel and heartless evildoers. What torment they will one day feel as their crimes and abuses march across their mind, while they are in the Presence of Yhvh Almighty! (Another facet of the 2 edged sword? Terror [of judgment] with deep, heart wrenching remorse? But with remorse begins freedom..!)

The Father, I think, letting things run their course, the choices in life that God has allowed and built around us for His purposes. And letting imperfection (missing the mark, translated sin) run its course.. His hand blocking the paths, but allowing others.. So that even in this (imo) intense proving ground, the worst of the worst sort of things are being portrayed / allowed to occur and run their course -> apocalypse

Uh oh, i've fallen down my customary worm hole.. or would that be rabbit hole? worm hole you'd have to fall sideways?

Jacob you worm/new name/ISRAEL... John 11;25  I AM the Resurrection and the life..He who believes in me shalllive,even though he dies. andwhoever lives

and believes in me will never die.. DO you believe this? :2c:

Yes, Sister...i do believe.  :dsunny:

  So do I also believe   sister  and brother     :dsunny:

   :Peace2: :thumbsup: Me too! I once experienced the deep sleep of surgery and that's how I've come to mostly think of the state of death.. Or, if it's a more conscious state.. doesn't matter.. Jesus is Life..! :HeartThrob:
   We are very blessed!!

[darryl]

Jacob you worm/new name/ISRAEL... John 11;25  I AM the Resurrection and the life..He who believes in me shalllive,even though he dies. andwhoever lives

and believes in me will never die.. DO you believe this? :2c:

Yes, Sister...i do believe.  :dsunny:

:friendstu: :dsunny:

  So do I also believe   sister  and brother     :dsunny:

[LJ]

I believe too that when john the baptist said he (jesus) will be baptize you with holy ghost and fire he meant the ones that follow jesus and dont come into the lake of fire will be the one baptized with holy ghost. the ones that go to the lake of fire will be baptized with fire to be clensed.
Sure you could say christians are baptized with fire too if you believe that persecution is the fire that christians have to suffer. but i believe to former one more.

[rosered]

I believe too that when john the baptist said he (jesus) will be baptize you with holy ghost and fire he meant the ones that follow jesus and dont come into the lake of fire will be the one baptized with holy ghost. the ones that go to the lake of fire will be baptized with fire to be clensed.
Sure you could say christians are baptized with fire too if you believe that persecution is the fire that christians have to suffer. but i believe to former one more.

 
1 Peter 4:12-19 Amplified Bible, Classic Edition (AMPC)


12 Beloved, do not be amazed and bewildered at the fiery ordeal which is taking place to test your quality, as though something strange (unusual and alien to you and your position) were befalling you.

13 But insofar as you are sharing Christ's sufferings, rejoice, so that when His glory [full of radiance and splendor] is revealed, you may also rejoice with triumph [exultantly].

14 If you are censured and suffer abuse [because you bear] the name of Christ, blessed [are you—happy, fortunate, [a]to be envied, with life-joy, and satisfaction in God's favor and salvation, regardless of your outward condition], because the Spirit of glory, the Spirit of God, is resting upon you. On their part He is blasphemed, but on your part He is glorified.

15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer or a thief or any sort of criminal, or as a mischief-maker (a meddler) in the affairs of others [infringing on their rights].

16 But if [one is ill-treated and suffers] as a Christian [which he is contemptuously called], let him not be ashamed, but give glory to God that he is [deemed worthy to suffer] in this name.

17 For the time [has arrived] for judgment to begin with the household of God; and if it begins with us, what will [be] the end of those who do not respect or believe or obey the good news (the Gospel) of God?

18 And if the righteous are barely saved, what will become of the godless and wicked?

19 Therefore, those who are ill-treated and suffer in accordance with God's will must do right and commit their souls [in charge as a deposit] to the One Who created [them] and will never fail [them].


I do believe to me it overcoming our carnal  and first nature   that is an enemy against the Spirit , our new born Spiritual nature  in Christ    redeeming us first  must be risen up out of death by the power of God !
John 5 The Father and the Son
...20The Father loves the Son and shows Him all He does. And to your amazement, He will show Him even greater works than these.

21For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom He wishes.

22Furthermore, the Father judges no one, but has assigned all judgment to the Son,...

  Gal 5 Living by the Spirit
16So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh.


17For the flesh craves what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh.

They are opposed to one another, so that you do not do what you want.


18But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law....

Romans 6:14
For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace.

Romans 7:4
Therefore, my brothers, you also died to the Law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit to God.

Romans 8:14
For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.