TWO Lakes of Fire?

[Lazarus Short]

On another forum, a member proposed that in the Revelation, chapter 20, there are two Lakes of Fire.

They thought it meant a lot that 20:10 reads, "...cast into the lake of fire and brimstone."  Then, in verse 14, it becomes merely, "...cast into the lake of fire."  They stated that the different terms meant different Lakes of Fire, one with and one without brimstone.  I think it is probably dictated by the numerical needs of the text, a la Panin.

What do you think? :Chinscratch: :Chinscratch: :Chinscratch: :Chinscratch: :Chinscratch:

[WhiteWings]

I bake bread in my kitchen stove that burns with wood and fire.
I bake bread in my kitchen stove that burns with fire.
I bake bread in my kitchen stove.

How many kitchen stoves do I have? 1, 2 or 3?
What are the fuel types of my stove?
What if I told you the first stove runs on wood, the second one on propane and the third one is an electric stove.
I didn't lie. I'm not breaking any grammar rules. But I'm vague or even misleading.




Look here: http://biblehub.com/revelation/19-20.htm
19:20 Lake of fire burning with brimstone.
20:10 Lake of fire and brimstone
20:14 Lake of fire

Are that three different lakes?
The wording of the first two verses is different so it could be a different lake. Maybe God has several identical looking lakes. We can assume such things if we want.
But if compare the first two verse we see that the second verse states where the beast also is. That makes clear it's the same lake.
My point is this; while the wording is different it's the same lake.

The third verse is just shorthand.
I think proof for that can be found here
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.


In that verse the sinners go into the same lake of the beast and his buddies are. Or should I assume God has two identical lakes? Or maybe ten? That's just reading things that are very likely not implied
The fuel of the lake is brimstone.



But let's zoom in a little more....
Let's assume that there are really two lakes as the person you refer to claims.

Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

'the dead' and 'death' is not the same thing.
'the dead' are dead people and are not said to be cast into the lake of fire (without mentioning brimstone)
'death' is cast in the fire.

Personally I'm not sure what death is. I keep it very short to not derail this thread, but I must mention it for completeness.
The NT mentions the highly pagan Hades. Hades is both the name of a god and the name of his kingdom, the realm of the dead. The underworld. Maybe in some way realated to rev 9:11 Apollyon/Abaddon/Angel of Death/Destroyer/lord of the bottomless pit.
If the above is true, Hades belongs in the same place as the beast is. That's fire and brimstone.

So the dead people are judged but this set of verses doesn't state where they will be send. I think it's the sheep and goat judgment of Matthew. The dead are judged by their works in both judgements.


Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Both are the second death. But the first verse leaves out the brimstone part.


So.... all that said there is just one lake.

[sheila]

we know HE APPEARS AGAIN,APART FROMSIN[THE PRINCE OF THIS WORLD HAS NOTHING IN ME] He seperates us from all our sin..

did we not know He was the Lamb of God that takes away allsin?what does Hedowith it..He places it onthe scapegoat.....thus

Him seperating the people fromsin[the LOF for the cursed PREPARED FOR THE DEVIL AND HIS..the sinnersare afraid..whocandwell

with constantburnings]sinis ademon.Under the law[written for the  lawless one]covenant curse fordisobedience/rebellious=angels

that first sinned inheaven/werejudged andthrown out[bound to this earth like a ball andchain..and awaiting their judgement] double

death/twice dead...they are the tares that the enemy sowed[God plantedgoodseed[wheat]inthe earth. They alone areburned...

ascribe all sin unto Azazael.........confess all the people's sins onto the head of the scapegoat.Pattern :2c:

[CHB]

Hi White Wings, I sure do enjoy reading your posts. I agree  :iagree:

CHB

[darryl]

On another forum, a member proposed that in the Revelation, chapter 20, there are two Lakes of Fire.

They thought it meant a lot that 20:10 reads, "...cast into the lake of fire and brimstone."  Then, in verse 14, it becomes merely, "...cast into the lake of fire."  They stated that the different terms meant different Lakes of Fire, one with and one without brimstone.  I think it is probably dictated by the numerical needs of the text, a la Panin.

What do you think? :Chinscratch: :Chinscratch: :Chinscratch: :Chinscratch: :Chinscratch:

i think its far too literal interpretation

[rosered]

I think it can be literal in the sense of   our bodies are made up of  10  things  most would  never consider  important    when God created mankind .Honestly  I  do not think   we cannot  begin to know everything   as  it really is  .... But we love to learn   so I
found this article  an extremely interesting  find by accident .   from being a bit ill.   


https://www.thoughtco.com/elemental-composition-of-human-body-603896

Sulphur   is number 8 on this list  Sulfur's abundance is 0.20% to 0.25% in the human body.


Uses
Sulfur is an important component of amino acids and proteins. It's present in keratin, which forms skin, hair, and nails. It's also needed for cellular respiration, allowing cells to use oxygen.



  number one   1 was oxygen     2  carbon , 3 hydrogen, 4 nitrogen , 5 calcium , 6  phosphorus , 7 potassium    8 sulfur , 9 sodium/salt   10 magnesium ...


Crystals of the nonmetallic element sulfur. Smithsonian Institution
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Sulfur Basic Facts
Atomic Number: 16

Symbol: S

Atomic Weight: 32.066

Discovery: Known since prehistoric time.

Electron Configuration: [Ne] 3s2 3p4

Word Origin: Sanskrit: sulvere, Latin: sulpur, sulphurium: words for sulfur or brimstone

Isotopes: Sulfur has 21 known isotopes ranging from S-27 to S-46 and S-48. Four isotopes are stable: S-32, S-33, S-34 and S-36. S-32 is the most common isotope with an abundance of 95.02%.


Properties: Sulfur has a melting point of 112.8°C (rhombic) or 119.0°C (monoclinic), boiling point of 444.674°C, specific gravity of 2.07 (rhombic) or 1.957 (monoclinic) at 20°C, with a valence of 2, 4, or 6. Sulfur is a pale yellow, brittle, odorless solid. It is insoluble in water, but soluble in carbon disulfide. Multiple allotropes of sulfur are known.

Uses: Sulfur is a component of gunpowder. It is used in the vulcanization of rubber. Sulfur has applications as a fungicide, fumigant, and in the making of fertilizers. It is used to make sulfuric acid. Sulfur is used in the making of several types of paper and as a bleaching agent. Elemental sulfur is used as an electrical insulator. The organic compounds of sulfur have many uses. Sulfur is an element that is essential for life. However, sulfur compounds can be highly toxic. For example, small amounts of hydrogen sulfide can be metabolized, but higher concentrations can quickly cause death from respiratory paralysis.

Hydrogen sulfide quickly deadens the sense of smell. Sulfur dioxide is an important atmospheric pollutant.

Sources: Sulfur is found in meteorites and native in proximity to hot springs and volcanoes. It is found in many minerals, including galena, iron pyrite, sphalerite, stibnite, cinnabar, Epsom salts, gypsum, celestite, and barite.


Sulfur also occurs in petroleum crude oil and natural gas. The Frasch process may be used to obtain sulfur commercially. In this process, heated water is forced into wells sunk into salt domes in order to melt the sulfur. The water is then brought to the surface.

Element Classification: Non-Metal

Sulfur Physical Data
Density (g/cc): 2.070

Melting Point (K): 386

Boiling Point (K): 717.824

Appearance: tasteless, odorless, yellow, brittle solid

Atomic Radius (pm): 127

Atomic Volume (cc/mol): 15.5

Covalent Radius (pm): 102

Ionic Radius: 30 (+6e) 184 (-2e)

Specific Heat (@20°C J/g mol): 0.732

Fusion Heat (kJ/mol): 1.23

Evaporation Heat (kJ/mol): 10.5

Pauling Negativity Number: 2.58

First Ionizing Energy (kJ/mol): 999.0

Oxidation States: 6, 4, 2, -2

Lattice Structure: Orthorhombic

Lattice Constant (Å): 10.470

CAS Registry Number: 7704-34-9

Sulfur Trivia:

Pure sulfur has no smell. The strong smell associated with sulfur should actually be attributed to compounds of sulfur.
Brimstone is an ancient name for sulfur that means "burning stone".   like a burning heart and lively stone maybe ?
Molten sulfur is red.
Sulfur burns with a blue flame in a flame test.
Sulfur is the seventeenth most common element in the Earth's crust.
Sulfur is the eighth most common element in the human body.
Sulfur is the sixth most common element in seawater.
Gunpowder contains sulfur, carbon and saltpeter.
Sulfur or Sulphur?: The 'f' spelling of sulfur was originally introduced in the United States in the 1828 Webster dictionary. Other English texts kept the 'ph' spelling. The IUPAC formally adopted the 'f' spelling in 1990.

References: Los Alamos National Laboratory (2001), Crescent Chemical Company (2001), Lange's Handbook of Chemistry (1952), CRC Handbook of Chemistry & Physics (18th Ed.) International Atomic Energy Agency ENSDF database (Oct 2010)

Quiz: Ready to test your sulfur facts knowledge? Take the Sulfur Facts Quiz.

[WhiteWings]

Rosey, make a similar lenghty post about what brimstone was used for in ancient times (and even right today.
Then you may have made the best UR post in this thread.... :declare:

[darryl]

ahhh, some absolutely literalists here, I see....should we take the Revelation utterly literally ?...after all, it's Apocolyptic literature which in Jewish writings tended to be non- literal. :dontknow:I tend too be not too dogmatic with stuff that's still unknowable at this stage.  :Peace2:

[rosered]

Rosey, make a similar lenghty post about what brimstone was used for in ancient times (and even right today.
Then you may have made the best UR post in this thread.... :declare:

   You have some great studies already on that  WW and   on some  other threads .   :thumbsup:

 

 

ahhh, some absolutely literalists here, I see....should we take the Revelation utterly literally ?...after all, it's Apocolyptic literature which in Jewish writings tended to be non- literal. :dontknow:I tend too be not too dogmatic with stuff that's still unknowable at this stage.  :Peace2:

   Dear Bro Daryll 

I have found everyone and everything has  some   hidden truth in it ,,, God has made everything glorify Him right down to the   tiniest speck    and cell   to the vast beyond    ....
It is impossible to judge anything    as right or wrong    , Just GOD is in   everything   if we are willing to  look , ask ,  seek and knock , learn and listen   and sit at Jesus  feet   ..

:dsunny:

[Patinak]

by Anne Marie Helmenstine, Ph.D.

Element Classification: Non-Metal

Sulfur Physical Data
Density (g/cc): 2.070

Melting Point (K): 386

Boiling Point (K): 717.824

Appearance: tasteless, odorless, yellow, brittle solid

Atomic Radius (pm): 127

Atomic Volume (cc/mol): 15.5

Covalent Radius (pm): 102

Ionic Radius: 30 (+6e) 184 (-2e)

Specific Heat (@20°C J/g mol): 0.732

Fusion Heat (kJ/mol): 1.23

Evaporation Heat (kJ/mol): 10.5

Pauling Negativity Number: 2.58

First Ionizing Energy (kJ/mol): 999.0

Oxidation States: 6, 4, 2, -2

Lattice Structure: Orthorhombic

Lattice Constant (Å): 10.470

CAS Registry Number: 7704-34-9

Okay, here's my beef with Dr. Helmenstine:

Stating the lattice constant of Sulfur to be 10.470 as fact, in my opinion, is pretty presumptuous!

(I don't know how they let her get away with this.  Just because she's got a Ph.D. after her name?)  :laugh:

Pat

[rosered]

Okay, here's my beef with Dr. Helmenstine:

Stating the lattice constant of Sulfur to be 10.470 as fact, in my opinion, is pretty presumptuous!

(I don't know how they let her get away with this.  Just because she's got a Ph.D. after her name?)  :laugh:

Pat

  :LH: :laughing7: :laugh:    Good one PAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   :icon_jokercolor:

[marie glen]

..the beast and false prophet in the lake is (imo) institutions of man active at the time of His return (and now too) ..a world governing beast/body Rev 13:1-10; and a false prophet/teacher/teaching which has caused a falling away of western civilization from the faith, it once was called christendom..

But, I'm looking forward to reading the more scientific posts in this thread! Even if I don't understand them :laughing7:

I also think the LOF is the refining process which occurs on 'day' of Judgment, though I used to think it was after Judgment 'Day' but none would be left not "believing"/written in the book by end of that day.. I still kind of waffle back and forth between the two views..
:Peace2: a little off topic? :footmouth:

[marie glen]

Okay, here's my beef with Dr. Helmenstine:

Stating the lattice constant of Sulfur to be 10.470 as fact, in my opinion, is pretty presumptuous!

(I don't know how they let her get away with this.  Just because she's got a Ph.D. after her name?)  :laugh:

Pat

  :LH: :laughing7: :laugh:    Good one PAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   :icon_jokercolor:

  :iagree:   :mrflo: :mlaugh:

[marie glen]

Brimstone
is a 2016 western thriller film written and directed by Martin Koolhoven, starring Dakota Fanning, Guy Pearce, Kit Harington, and Carice van Houten. It is an international production, although mostly Dutch. It was selected to compete for the Golden Lion at the 73rd Venice International Film Festival on September 3...

:doh: just kidding!

brim·stone
ˈbrimˌstōn/Submit
nounarchaic
sulfur.

Is that true?

brimstone - Wiktionary
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/brimstone
From Middle English brimston, bremston, corrupted forms of brinston, brenston, bernston, from Old English brynstān ("brimstone", literally "burn-stone"), equivalent to brian + stone, or burn + stone. Cognate with Scots brunstane ("brimstone"), Icelandic brennisteinn ("sulfur, brimstone"), German Bernstein ("amber").

Brimstone (missile) - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brimstone_(missile)
Brimstone is an air-launched ground attack missile developed by MBDA for Britain's Royal Air Force. It was originally intended for "fire-and-forget" use against mass formations of enemy armour, using a millimetric wave (mmW) active radar homing seeker to ensure accuracy even against moving targets.
Unit cost‎: ‎(Dual Mode Variant); £105,000/unit; ...   Warhead‎: ‎HEAT tandem warhead
Steering system‎: ‎Flight control surfaces   Used by‎: ‎Royal Air Force‎; ‎Royal Saudi Air Force
       :mshock:

The U.K. Will Attack ISIS With a Missile the U.S. Could Only Dream Of
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/.../brimstone-missile-uk-david-cameron-i...
Dec 4, 2015 - While American forces fire the trusty Hellfire, British jets are going to drop the precision Brimstone missile on ISIS forces in Syria. ... While the British Parliament was debating this week whether to join in airstrikes against ISIS in Syria, one weapon was mentioned repeatedly ...

British Brimstone Missile in Action - A Tank's Worst Nightmare

Whether Brimstone is any more accurate than Hellfire is a matter of debate. Brimstone can, however, be fired from fast jets, something that Hellfire is not designed for, against targets twelve miles away. It is also claimed to hit targets moving at up to 70 mph using the radar mode.Dec 4, 2015

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(brimstone compared to thermonuclear)
Nuclear War and the Great Tribulation - End Times Truth
https://endtimestruth.com › World War III
Certainly it is possible that the fire and brimstone will be miraculously created and directed upon the countries which attack Israel as a judgment; however, with the development of nuclear weapons in our time, I am now convinced that the fire won't be supernaturally created, but will be preternaturally produced from man's ...
Fire, Brimstone, and Pillars of Smoke - End Times Truth
https://endtimestruth.com › WP Edit Snidget
The prophets said that one of the primary characteristics of this time would be the appearance of huge pillars of smoke. Is it just a coincidence that in our time nuclear weapons have been developed that can destroy the world and have as their most recognizable characteristic, huge mushroom clouds consisting of vast pillars ...
        :Chinscratch: ..thinks like me!

Fire and brimstone - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_and_brimstone
The breath of God, in Isaiah 30:33, is compared to brimstone: "The breath of Jehovah, like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it." Fire and brimstone frequently appear as agents of divine wrath throughout the Book of Revelation culminating in chapters 19–21, wherein Satan and the ungodly are cast into a lake of fire burning ...

...Brimstone, a sulfurous rock that burns with fire

I agree with Rosie! burns the dross off the stony heart.. melts it!

[marie glen]

...if only 1 gram of matter (0.001 kg) was totally converted into energy it would give the equivalent of any one of the following measures of energy or heat (from Wikipedia):

E = mc2 = (0.001 kg)(8.98 x 1016 m2/s2) =

the equivalent energy released by the complete combustion of one of the following:

21.5 kilotons of TNT (≈21 KT) or {um, this is kind of small these days..}

568,000 U.S. gallons of gasoline

  :mshock: oy.

p.s. - I've never understood E=mc2 but this site says its the mass times the speed of light squared.. um..  altho I don't remember what squared is..

p.s.s. - did I really post four times in this thread? :mshock:

I was thinking.. if anything, it would be 3 lakes of fire! But that would be.. [1]a lake of fire (fiery elements) called armageddon/last battle; [2]the fire that comes down from the heavens and consumes those who surround the Millennium City "after the thousand years" has ended / Satan having been released, but before the 2nd resurrection; and [3] the notorious one in Revelation 20, into which death and the grave are cast.. And since it's the 2nd "death"..  :Chinscratch: It's like the image of a snake consuming its own tail? :JCThink:

[joeteekay]

...if only 1 gram of matter (0.001 kg) was totally converted into energy it would give the equivalent of any one of the following measures of energy or heat (from Wikipedia):

E = mc2 = (0.001 kg)(8.98 x 1016 m2/s2) =

the equivalent energy released by the complete combustion of one of the following:

21.5 kilotons of TNT (≈21 KT) or

568,000 U.S. gallons of gasoline

  :mshock: oy.

p.s. - I've never understood E=mc2 but this site says its the mass times the speed of light squared.. um..  altho I don't remember what squared is..

To take a sqare of a number is to multiply it by itself. This is because multiplying a number by itself is called "squaring a number.

e.g. 3 squared is 9 (3X3)
e.g.  7 squared is 49 (7X7)

By far, Einstein's best-known equation is "E=mc2 - energy equals mass times the velocity of light squared." According to this equation, any given amount of mass is equivalent to a certain amount of energy, and vice versa.

  i.e. speed of light is 6.706e+8 (8th power) in mph or The speed of light in a vacuum is 186,282 miles per second.
Speed of light squared is 34700983524.

How incredible is the mind of God.  :dsunny:  :thumbsup:

[WhiteWings]

Are "Jesus the Lamb of God" and "Jesus the Son of God" also two different persons?
I would say yes following the logic of that author... :Chinscratch:

[sheila]

hmmmn brings tomind..'you used to walk about amongst the stones of fire.Urim and thummin were referred to 'stones offire"

'Ihave come fromgoing to andfro inthe earth. Lively stones etc stones...destroy this temple[lively stones] andonthe thirdday

I shall raiseit.thinking of Solomon and the commissioningof Hiram to fell trees and be hewers of stones for the'assembling' of

Solomonstemple.Men as trees/plantingofGod/trees of righteousness..andlively[spiritual]stones..

also,this...Iwillpickthemus like jewels[els true jews?circumcized inheart[spirit oflove]...just brain storming...

[WhiteWings]

Mens as trees I know. That means man of importance. High ranking men. Rightous men. The common people are grass. Isa 61:4

Just to be clear I was sarcastic when I said 2 Jesus'
Jesus goes by many names like Jesus the Bread of Life  or Jesus the Good Shepherd. All totally different spelling but exactly the same person.

[sheila]

Iknow,Tony..that wasn't directed at you..I had been perusing the whole thread..and those thoughts come up.  :friendstu:

[sheila]

 :2c: some scriptural reasoning I believe God/Jesus will not burn mankind in the LOF for even alittle while.It is appointedONCE

forman todie. Isaaih 66;23 24 From one new moon to another and from one Sabbath unto another ALL mankind will come and

bow done before me,says the Lord. Andthey will  GO OUT AND LOOK UPON the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me..


   2Peter 1;19-21  and we have the wordsof the prophets made more certain..and you will do well to pay attention untoit,

as light shining in a dark place,until the day dawns and a morning star rises in your hearts.Above all,you must understand

that no prophecy of scripture came about by the prophets own interpretation. For prophecy never had it's origen in the will

of man.,but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy spirit.


  God spokethrough Isaaih..and Holy spirit through Peter. Those two texts undo the LOF for man.[Jesus isour Sabbath...the righteous

flesh rests in the grave/returns in stillness tothe dust no longer a slave untosin.[freegift untomen of eternal life....spirit return unto

God.


   Luke 12;4-5  I tellyou my friends..do not be afraid of those who kill the body andthen can do nomore[appointedfor all men to die

once then the resurrection[I AM the resurrection/as we have allbore the image of the corrupt so,too shall we ALLbear the image

BUT......I will show you whom you should fear  Fear Him who after the killing of the body..has power to throw you into hell[2nd

death/bottomless pit/abyss/LOF]  Understanding that Jesus was preaching unto the fallen angels bound/imprisoned here as

well as  mankind..and thatthere are two edges of the sword/Word of God,helps. there is the righteousness salvation edge..

and the judgement/condemnation edge.    God has concluded all under sin.   Lightening is for man/the thunder goes unto

the devil.


  Mark 9;43-49   CAUSING TO SIN..if your hand cause you to sin cut it off.It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two

  hands to go into hell,where the fire never goes out. And if your foot cause you to sin,cut it off..it is better for you to enter

life crippled than to have two feet and be thrown into hell. And if your eye causes you to sin,pluck it out.


   Referring to lost body member that causes death..the man of sin...son of perdition[cutting off] the only one lost.

   the one whose works are wicked[gives his sons a serpent when they ask for bread.....makes their feet to wander

   puts beams in thier eyes[blinds/accuses/tempts/decieves/causes of stumblings etc]


  Jesus takes away all their sin.......Strong man[raised up in power and incorruption]   God's love is as strong as death[sin's wages]

   the goat willcarry onitself alltheir sins unto a solitary place[cut off];and the man shall release it in thedesert.Azazel's lot.


    the Love of God/Spirit of God/Word of God come in flesh..bound up the strongman[prince of this world that we were bound

up in sin/rebellion/disobedience with/our enemy that was stronger than us[weakness] Jesus come like a thief in the night....

and took away from satan what he thought he had..a host body in man.

  there are many other spiritualprinciples that alsomakeme believe it..parablesetc.

 

 

[GodIsLove]

Sulfur is used to treat parasitic infections, like worms, and to treat skin conditions and infections. I used sulfur topically on my skin and scalp in the past  and it works great.

Sulfur can be burned to fumigate for germs and mold etc.

So I'm thinking fire and brimstone—aka sulfur—is to purify. The fire is not to burn the person being purified, but to burn the sulfur, which turns it to a gas that purifies.

Am I onto something with this thinking??

[WhiteWings]

Not something. You struck the very core meaning of the symbology.
Or perhaps a better expression you struck gold :banana:


Part of the gold refining process is adding sulfur to the molten gold to purge it of impurities. Click

When  sulfur is added it binds itself to impurities, forms sulphides that float to the surface where it can be easily removed.

The process cause smoke.

Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascends up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.

As we shall see in section C1 torment is actually a word meaning testing.

So it's the smoke of refining gold. Yet another reference to purification (of gold)

Brimstone is another reference to purification.

[rosered]

Not something. You struck the very core meaning of the symbology.
Or perhaps a better expression you struck gold :banana:


Part of the gold refining process is adding sulfur to the molten gold to purge it of impurities. Click

When  sulfur is added it binds itself to impurities, forms sulphides that float to the surface where it can be easily removed.

The process cause smoke.

Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascends up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.

As we shall see in section C1 torment is actually a word meaning testing.

So it's the smoke of refining gold. Yet another reference to purification (of gold)

Brimstone is another reference to purification.

Sulfur is used to treat parasitic infections, like worms, and to treat skin conditions and infections. I used sulfur topically on my skin and scalp in the past  and it works great.

Sulfur can be burned to fumigate for germs and mold etc.

So I'm thinking fire and brimstone—aka sulfur—is to purify. The fire is not to burn the person being purified, but to burn the sulfur, which turns it to a gas that purifies.

Am I onto something with this thinking??

  YES !!!  It sure seems we are  made up of all this elements  , being tested by the FIRE /WORD /TRUTH/GOLD

  What is gold in the bible  ?Gold's Value in Biblical Times.

Biblical records indicate that gold and silver were the first and oldest form of money.

The first mention of gold in the Bible is in Genesis (2:12 ), "And the gold of that land is good; bdellium and onyx stone are there."

  Buy  of me the gold   Rev 3 To the Church in Laodicea


...17You say, 'I am rich; I have grown wealthy and need nothing.'


But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind, and naked.

18I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined by fire so that you may become rich,

white garments so that you may be clothed and your shameful nakedness not exposed,

and salve to anoint your eyes so that you may see.


19 Those I love, I rebuke and discipline. Therefore be earnest and repent....

[sheila]

made me think;" the gas that purifies"..and God saying..Iwillcover the heavenswith darkness when I SNUFF YOU OUT


   Rev 9;17   redfire/blue/smoke/yellow sulpher..killing athirdof mankind[outer court fleshbody ofman/put todeath inthe flesh.

  their tailslikesnakeswith which they inflictinjury[appointed to die once]first resurrection not harmedof2nddeath.

why we reckon ourbodygood as dead because of sin

which brings me to LOF as secound death[allconsuming/TRUE ETERNAL DEATH versus the appearance ofdeath in the flesh of manthat

returns unto dust whilst the spirit returns unto the Father.]a TASTE[appointedonce] versus thefullness?

we tasted death[ate of tokogae]but the goodness ofGodwaswith us.Grace....notcounting our sins against us. though Iwillnotleave

you entirely unpunished....