Mark of the beast

[Nancy]

Hi ya all,
I confess I haven't posted here for ages.
My thought is if the mark of the beast isn't some sort of chip, why does the bible state that everyone who has this mark will develop sores (could that be cancerous).
Thanks Nancy

[sheila]

 :2c: failed reasoning..imo..due tomany have died fromcancer andnotbeen'chipped'already,eh?

  Job was covered in sores when satan had 'a go" at him.Herepented andsaid hehad spoke of things in ignorance. ignorant man

is as the beast that perish. and the way Idivide that is......if you have the mind of Christ/wisdomfromabove...you know you have

been given the free gift of eternal life.so, when time comes for theendofyour flesh.....you see it as returninghome untothe Father.

   those who believe willneverdie..doyoubelievethis?evenifyeshoulddie,ye shalllive!

WE SHALLNOT ALL DIE,BUT WE SHALL ALL BE CHANGED AT THE LAST TRUMP


buying and selling is making merchandise of for profit.the harlot sits onthe beast andhasgrownrich,as hasthemerchants..peddling religion

totheignorant. you can not serve God and mammon[money/richesofearth] scourged by Jesus and thetables over turned for those who

make the Father's house a den ofrobbers andthieves. a lot of books been sold/written and money paid onthatmicro-chipmarkthingy

[marie glen]

I totally agree, Sheila, we should not waste our money on books about this.. or other end time topics.. Especially, as, after all, we have the source, the bible! We are just as capable of reading it as anyone else who may write a book. We could write a book too. (But that changes things, doesn't it? I'd say publish on an online site where someone can pay for it before it is printed.. so charge what it costs to print and send. :Chinscratch: Food for thought? A lot of us could write books or booklets, or do homemade tracts.)

Hi ya all,
I confess I haven't posted here for ages.
My thought is if the mark of the beast isn't some sort of chip, why does the bible state that everyone who has this mark will develop sores (could that be cancerous).
Thanks Nancy

Hi! I'm a newbie then! Welcome back! I think you have a point. If the mark, that will be needed it seems (eventually?) to buy or sell is only a tatoo or is a person's phone or a headset or something.. maybe some would develop sores.. or cancer? which is a rumor about phones? Is that from energy being put off by the phone? So something like it within.. I find myself thinking this 'mark' could possibly have some behavior modification, ..and location capability.. what? an app? Well, we know there's lots going on in "nanotechnology".. And people are talking about AI, artificial 'intelligence'.

With the issue being, I believe, who programs this stuff! Oy! ...Two fruits of the earth.. the children of God (believers - by heavenly "lot"? - who believe during this life, the fruit maturing - of life in and with the Spirit of God / "the way") and the fruit of life in the wrong way, which is *seemingly* without God.

Do you think it's a progression? One verse says without the mark one will not be able to participate in buying or selling (at least publicly that is) and another verse says those without the mark will be killed. I'm thinking it starts out as, hey, you need it to buy and sell (and show your conforming. You want, after all, world "peace" don't you?! If you don't agree, if you want to march to the beat of a different drum.. well, you must (in that day) be against world peace! World equality.. [Try to warn people about the danger of too much power centralized.. it's a dying concept..?]

Sorry to carry on so! Maybe you can tell I'm interested in bible prophecy. I don't just think of it as prophecy or "the future". It's even more than the 'end' of the story. I think of it as the culmination and epiphany, so to speak, of all of history. And I think UR / CU is evident in it.
      :Peace2: p.s. I think Daniel 12:11,12 is talking about this very thing. A mark that desolates.. But the math is different from the popular culture concept of it..

[jugghead]

IMO - the strength of sin is the law, how convenient would it be to take something of God and turn it into his mark, making himself look righteous by that mark ..... what is the mark of God? Is it not Grace? the forgiveness of sins? ......

so understanding "the strength of sin is the law" is to understand that to "miss the mark" of grace; miss the forgiveness of missing the mark ... is through the law and using it to condemn others in our hearts rather than forgiving them in our hearts.

What is the mark of the beast? IMO it is the law of God, taking something that is meant to be understood as righteous and using it for unrighteousness, religion IMO is the anti-christ in that it suffered a blow to the head, a blow to its way of thinking at the time that Christ walked this earth in the flesh, but it did not die and was given life again through man's own understanding and now can masquerade as "an angel of light" by using the name of Christ in its own vanity, which is the taking of the name (nature) of the Lord in vane (in its own vanity).

Yes, I know, these are mighty bold statements, but I can no longer hold back the truths that I have been shown, if I am rejected for believing these things, then "so be it", i resign to what I have been called into and will no longer post here, if that is what I am asked to do, for I will die so that others may live, to not place a stumbling block in the paths of others.

Blessings to all

[marie glen]

I definitely think it will have everything to do with religion! We of course see things as though through a glass dimly.. but He brings things into focus. Especially if we see things taking shape in the world? I think many religious, and some of the et believers will find their selves face to face with those troubling end time events, having missed signs Jesus gave, etc. And not able to see the full picture..

I can see how some may develop even more hardness of heart and become ever more and more part of the problem, and, or going along with the world, rather than truly submitting to Him, the real Him, not the religious concept of Him. In one way or another it seems like man is determined to seat himself in the seat of God as the highest power.. And one way or another man governing as though he were highest power/God. we're all evolving you know.. (not) I think there will be a marriage of (the idea of) spiritual evolution to politics.

All of this (my thoughts) is only speculation of course.. :gsmile:

P.S. - I am not a strong believer in holding back things we feel He has shown to us! :Peace2:

[sheila]

 :thumbsup: jugghead.. agree...

[jugghead]

Hi ya all,
I confess I haven't posted here for ages.
My thought is if the mark of the beast isn't some sort of chip, why does the bible state that everyone who has this mark will develop sores (could that be cancerous).
Thanks Nancy

IMO as I stated in my previous post that the law of God is the mark of the beast, that the sores (ulcers in their original meaning, blisters on the skin) are results of; examples of "works of the law" .... anyone who has ever done any gardening or digging knows that your hands develop blisters from the work and anyone who has worked in very high temperatures and sweats a lot over a prolonged period of time develop heat blisters from all the sweating.

Also IMO, you can not buy or sell without the mark is understood as you cannot "buy into" religion without "works of the law" and also you cannot sell religion to another without the "works of the law".

my  :2c:

[rosered]

 

Good postings .to you all ...
Just going to share some scriptures that describe   the mark of the beast .......

  Two things Jesus come to do, BEING THE TRUTH  & LIFE and in the LOVE OF GOD ,   to destroy the works of the Devil [death] and Babylon [LIES  that kill so many held captive /  prisoner to it ]

I agree with you Jugg  the vanity, futility   and dead works    all mankind /Adam is subjected to    ..

  I have considered the mark of the beast  as the carnal mind , to be carnally minded is death  . A murderer   this mark that even Cain received from the beginning  as a murderer of his brother .by sin and missing the mark  OF  [TRUTH]  THE SIGN , MIRACLE  , THE LORD JESUS CHRIST ..

  Mark on Cain  from God was fear for his life .[Fear with torment ]  and believed God /Love was not His protection any longer that curse , that if so much as a beast touches the Mountain it will be stoned ...

We can  see many scriptures back up this  , Even David , in His confession before God was I have been a beast before you  , it is the deadly wound that  must be healed .  HATE   of a wicked heart  to prosper ..Psalm 73
  David become envious   of the wicked    desires of the heart after plotting  to   killing a soldier   to have his wife and many other  accursed  works of the  devil   that results in abiding in death .  1 John 5:19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lies in wickedness ..   

  1John 3
Love One Another
...13So do not be surprised, brothers, if the world hates you. 14We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love our brothers. The one who does not love remains in death.

15 Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that eternal life does not reside in a murderer....

Heb 11:4   By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaks.


1Jo 3:12   Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

Jde 1:11   Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
  Buy the truth and sell it not . Proverbs 23 Consider Diligently what is Before You


...22Listen to your father who begot you, And do not despise your mother when she is old. 23Buy truth, and do not sell it, Get wisdom and instruction and understanding. 24The father of the righteous will greatly rejoice, And he who sires a wise son will be glad in him....

Isaiah  55Invitation to the Needy  [ Poor in Spirit theirs  is the Kingdom of God ]
1"Ho! Every one who thirsts, come to the waters; And you who have no money come, buy and eat. Come, buy wine and milk Without money and without cost. 2"Why do you spend money for what is not bread, And your wages for what does not satisfy? Listen carefully to Me, and eat what is good, And delight yourself in abundance....


Being  rooted and grounded in the Love of God is being  found in Jesus Christ    whom is the Love of God manifested   1 John 4Love Comes from God
...8Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.

9This is how God's love was revealed among us: God sent His one and only Son into the world,

so that we might live through Him.

10And love consists in this: not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins....


To me the daily sacrifice is this   , Eat my body and drink my blood that you might have Life in you   , it is a daily  bread of Life  /Body of Christ  whom keeps the called out of the world  ,  holy ones Alive ..1 John 4

  The works of death are anti-Christ  whom is the Life  ...

  Babylon is a murderer  blood of the prophets /saints holy ones   Rev 18 The Doom of Babylon

...23The light of a lamp will never shine in you again, and the voices of a bride and bridegroom will never call out in you again.

For your merchants were the great ones of the earth, because all the nations were deceived by your sorcery."

24And there was found in her the blood of prophets and saints, and of all who had been slain on the earth.

Jeremiah 51:49
Indeed Babylon is to fall for the slain of Israel, As also for Babylon the slain of all the earth have fallen.

Daniel 7:25
'He will speak out against the Most High and wear down the saints of the Highest One, and he will intend to make alterations in times and in law; and they will be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time.

Matthew 23:35
And so upon you will come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.

Revelation 16:6
For they have spilled the blood of saints and prophets, and You have given them blood to drink as they deserve."

Revelation 17:6
I could see that the woman was drunk with the blood of the saints and of the witnesses for Jesus. And I was greatly astonished at the sight of her.

SHE IS A MASSIVE GRAVE [ called Hell] of bloodshed   described  completely in chapters 4 & Isaiah  5
the highlights are describing her here .

Therefore My people go into exile for their lack of knowledge;
And their honorable men are famished,
And their multitude is parched with thirst.
14 Therefore Sheol has enlarged its throat and opened its mouth without measure;
And Jerusalem's splendor, her multitude, her din of revelry and the jubilant within her, descend into it.
15 So the common man will be humbled and the man of importance abased,
The eyes of the proud also will be abased.
16 But the Lord of hosts will be exalted in judgment,
And the holy God will show Himself holy in righteousness.
17 Then the lambs will graze as in their pasture,
And strangers will eat in the waste places of the wealthy.


Powerful message  and simple  descriptive truth .Of Religious captivity and the bloodshed of the innocent , some  the 70 years of their whole natural lives  held by the LIE as  fear of death ..
perhaps it is always the carnal mind  beast [seed]  that is always conceiving   with Babylon =  birthing lies that always results in death ...

The name written on her forehead was a mystery: Babylon the great the mother of prostitutes and of the abominations of the earth.

[CHB]

IMO - the strength of sin is the law, how convenient would it be to take something of God and turn it into his mark, making himself look righteous by that mark ..... what is the mark of God? Is it not Grace? the forgiveness of sins? ......

so understanding "the strength of sin is the law" is to understand that to "miss the mark" of grace; miss the forgiveness of missing the mark ... is through the law and using it to condemn others in our hearts rather than forgiving them in our hearts.

What is the mark of the beast? IMO it is the law of God, taking something that is meant to be understood as righteous and using it for unrighteousness, religion IMO is the anti-christ in that it suffered a blow to the head, a blow to its way of thinking at the time that Christ walked this earth in the flesh, but it did not die and was given life again through man's own understanding and now can masquerade as "an angel of light" by using the name of Christ in its own vanity, which is the taking of the name (nature) of the Lord in vane (in its own vanity).

Yes, I know, these are mighty bold statements, but I can no longer hold back the truths that I have been shown, if I am rejected for believing these things, then "so be it", i resign to what I have been called into and will no longer post here, if that is what I am asked to do, for I will die so that others may live, to not place a stumbling block in the paths of others.

Blessings to all

Hi jugghead,

I agree with you also. I believe the mark of the beast is the law. Just my opinion, but I believe the Sabbath has something to do with the buying and selling. From the very beginning it has always been law and grace that have been the main source of religions. They build their whole systems on law or grace or both. Most religions try to keep the law and preach grace, it is a mixture. it is hard for me to explain but I see what you are saying. The law has caused death to many, including Christ. I pray I made some sense here.

CHB

[sheila]

we areto'buy the truth[believe]and sell it not" the testimony of Jesus Christ is the spirit of prophecy.we recieved freely and are therefore

togive freeley. if we are tobey Christ we can not 'profit" without  taking the mark of the beast. what true prophet took gifts of money...

   prophets for hire/Balaam..curse Israelforhire.

[jugghead]

CHB, yes .... it made perfect sense to me, and by what sheila posted it makes sense in what you said about buying and selling having to do with the Sabbath.

Since the Sabbath is "rest" and "to work" is for profit (gain)..... {sell it not}, it is a rest from work/a rest from profit/a rest from gain .... all the same truth said by different examples

and something ironic popped into my head when I read the word "believe" in sheila's post, don't know if the credit goes to someone else that might have posted it and I am just now remembering it, but .....

Believing = we must "be leaving" the ways of the world

[rosered]

 
Amen !!   the beast is the carnal nature and death is its  portion/mark only to fail the test many times over [7 times x 77 ] forgiven .

  Whom so ever  is freed from the dead works that the Fire of Gods consuming LOVE   eliminates  those base  elements
   from earning salvation  as if it is a chore  to master and makes you better off than anyone else  is only fooling  themselves .

  The true test of faith in God is to rest  in the greater works done when being  gathered into Christ Body as a whole  , not separate  from everyone else ... CHRIST IS THE CONNECTION/substance /seed  and the Love of God manifested  ,

that all unity is made from ...ONE ...
As    HE IS  CONSUMING  THE WHOLE WORLD  now !!!!!!! NOW as we speak it ,

from the dead to the Living in HIM !!! Being the LORD OF BOTH the dead and the living ,

and raising the dead to Life because they will hear His Voice and Live  ,

the greater works because HE is WITH THE FATHER .. :banana: :banana: :dsunny: :HeartThrob:

I am so excited , can you tell  :banana: :laugh: :laughing7: :dsunny:

[marie glen]

The name written on her forehead was a mystery: Babylon the great the mother of prostitutes and of the abominations of the earth.

That was an awesome post Rosie! And right on! I've studied the book of revelation and if the characters were people, the forehead of city ($ity?) babble-on would be its own character, and I think of it as all untruth, since the 'beginning'. I take it all pretty impersonally.. Except for the grace of God there go I, or any of us.. I consider it just a fortunate stroke of 'luck' (lot) to know our Lord during this lifetime.. And! To be aware of Universal Reconciliation. And because it's all "except for the grace of God.." it can keep us humble and not judging anything before its time.. "pray for our 'enemies'.." - as to that, my most challenging thing in life is politics.. some of politics to me is bringing us to 'hell'/destruction (ruin) faster than anything else.. But even then, "except for the grace of God.." Besides, I actually used to be in that mindset many years ago! I always try to remember how the Lord said we shouldn't be found of Him at His return (or at our death?) as beating upon other members of the household. I figure household of God or household of the Earth. And I shouldn't be beating them mentally or in my heart, or with my words. I'm free from having to judge! I can leave all judgment up to God.. And I guess ultimately, it was all nailed to the cross with Jesus..

Even Cain - it says God put the mark on him in response to Cain saying all would seek to slay him..

But! There's no reason why I can't despise all untruth (as far as I know it, that is). And it's surely good to be able to discern true from untrue. (As much as we can!) But I want to always remember it's totally impersonal.. Especially because "but for the grace of God, there go I".. Untruth, and whatever form it takes in latter days of this system of things, could have very well been engraved upon my own forehead.. And still could I suppose! Untruth seems to be a pretty powerful elixir.. (But not to Him of course! :laughing7: :cloud9: )

[rosered]

The name written on her forehead was a mystery: Babylon the great the mother of prostitutes and of the abominations of the earth.

That was an awesome post Rosie! And right on! I've studied the book of revelation and if the characters were people, the forehead of city ($ity?) babble-on would be its own character, and I think of it as all untruth, since the 'beginning'. I take it all pretty impersonally.. Except for the grace of God there go I, or any of us.. I consider it just a fortunate stroke of 'luck' (lot) to know our Lord during this lifetime.. And! To be aware of Universal Reconciliation. And because it's all "except for the grace of God.." it can keep us humble and not judging anything before its time.. "pray for our 'enemies'.." - as to that, my most challenging thing in life is politics.. some of politics to me is bringing us to 'hell'/destruction (ruin) faster than anything else.. But even then, "except for the grace of God.." Besides, I actually used to be in that mindset many years ago! I always try to remember how the Lord said we shouldn't be found of Him at His return (or at our death?) as beating upon other members of the household. I figure household of God or household of the Earth. And I shouldn't be beating them mentally or in my heart, or with my words. I'm free from having to judge! I can leave all judgment up to God.. And I guess ultimately, it was all nailed to the cross with Jesus..

Even Cain - it says God put the mark on him in response to Cain saying all would seek to slay him..

But! There's no reason why I can't despise all untruth (as far as I know it, that is). And it's surely good to be able to discern true from untrue. (As much as we can!) But I want to always remember it's totally impersonal.. Especially because "but for the grace of God, there go I".. Untruth, and whatever form it takes in latter days of this system of things, could have very well been engraved upon my own forehead.. And still could I suppose! Untruth seems to be a pretty powerful elixir.. (But not to Him of course! :laughing7: :cloud9: )

Hi Marie ,
I  cannot lie , I was deceived when I believed the LIE  ,,, I do thank Jesus for  deliverance  from all that fear and torment 
under the law and ministration of death  , but it was replaced with a spirit of pride ,

a Babylon spirit  that  indeed  , if it were possible even the very elect would be deceived ,,,

It is very crafty     and glories in your flesh into thinking you are a part of God , you see ,to me ,they only use Gods name  to work iniquity  , making prisoners to their cause.

I admit I was trapped in a dead works church  :sigh:   I consider those things behind  me now ...  I am going forward as the Holy Spirit is teaching  us   now .

I AGREE  :banana: :dsunny: No judging at all  , not even ourselves  as Paul said ! GOD is the righteous  ONE and does an  excellent job!!

I agree and hate the LIE !, but have pity and mercy now upon all that are still trapped  within its  cage of uncleanness !!every unclean and hateful bird that eats the flesh and drinks the innocent  blood  , I believe it is the drunkenness  on the blood   that causes the violence  and acts of unrighteousness  against God and His people   :eek:

  Rev 18 1After this I saw another angel descending from heaven with great authority, and the earth was illuminated by his glory. 2And he cried out in a mighty voice: "Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great!

She has become a lair of demons. She is a haunt for every unclean spirit, a hideout for every unclean bird, and a hold for every detestable beast.

3All the nations have drunk the wine of the passion of her immorality.

The kings of the earth were immoral with her, and the merchants of the earth have grown wealthy through the extravagance of her luxury."...


  Just like King Neb ,  the head of gold  and first example , to the false image of  mankind /as a beast though the ages ,  I was grateful to  be delivered from Babylon  and Her unclean spirit of pride , But God put Him in a place of utter surrender  , to learn what righteousness of God really means  .humbled in ways only God can  do .

  Daniel 4 34 "But at the end of that period, I, Nebuchadnezzar,

raised my eyes toward heaven and my reason returned to me,

and I blessed the Most High and praised and honored Him who lives forever;

For His dominion is an everlasting dominion,

And His kingdom endures from generation to generation.

35 "All the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing,


But He does according to His will in the host of heaven
And among the inhabitants of earth;

And no one can ward off His hand
Or say to Him, 'What have You done?'

36 At that time my reason returned to me.

And my majesty and splendor were restored to me for the glory of my kingdom,

and my counselors and my nobles began seeking me out; so I was reestablished in my sovereignty, and surpassing greatness was added to me.

37 Now I, Nebuchadnezzar, praise, exalt and honor the King of heaven, for all His works are true and His ways just, and He is able to humble those who walk in pride."

I could understand this   Living witness to Gods glory so much better after the  overflowing scourge had passed  from my own soul .
 
Everyone's experiences   of God are  so different , but He makes sure you  get what He means when He makes examples of us all   ...
 
For me ,We are no different than they were  , while experiencing God dealing with them  as well as us all  now  .
 

I can only give Him the glory ,  because He sure did change my heart and mind  ,by reasoning with us , though much suffering   and   changes  and experiences  and ''all things are yours  life and death etc ''  and you belong to Christ and Christ is Gods ,    proof of faith in Him  , He is TRUE   in every Word  the bible says will happen  , it does come to pass  . Every Word that proceeds out of His Mouth  returns to Him  and it  comes with  fulfillment of the WORD SPOKEN,   only to be lived out  and never void ..
   I believe  in every Word   and it by His Spirit of truth  that I can .    :dsunny: :HeartThrob:

[marie glen]

The kings of the earth were immoral with her, and the merchants of the earth have grown wealthy through the extravagance of her luxury."…

Another great post Rose.. These verses always make me ponder.. city babylon

"The kings of the earth were immoral with her" - today's fulfillment, the politicians are in bed with her? (city, I think of as $ity, babylon)

and "the merchants of the earth have grown wealthy through the extravagance of her luxury."… They also weep at her crash and the sight of her burning..

[I think what many think of as Babylon of today, the fulfillment, I think of as a Jezebel (Jezebaal) spirit, unfaithful and in error, and as a part of the bigger babylon the great... which is responsible for all slain upon earth, even since Cain slew Abel.. And I think this Jezebaal will marry the false prophet(teacher/teaching/theory) which turned Western Civilization, once called Christendom on its ear - But now I may be babbling,lol]

Just like King Neb ,  the head of gold  and first example , to the false image of  mankind /as a beast though the ages ,  I was grateful to  be delivered from Babylon  and Her unclean spirit of pride , But God put Him in a place of utter surrender  , to learn what righteousness of God really means  .humbled in ways only God can  do .

  Daniel 4 34 "But at the end of that period, I, Nebuchadnezzar,

raised my eyes toward heaven and my reason returned to me

The story of all? Each one of us.. And also the story of us all (humanity) as a whole - again, UR!

and I blessed the Most High and praised and honored Him who lives forever;

For His dominion is an everlasting dominion,

And His kingdom endures from generation to generation.

35 "All the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing,


But He does according to His will in the host of heaven
And among the inhabitants of earth;

And no one can ward off His hand
Or say to Him, 'What have You done?'

.......37 Now I, Nebuchadnezzar, praise, exalt and honor the King of heaven, for all His works are true and His ways just, and He is able to humble those who walk in pride."

What an encouraging word, sister.. Those who pride their selves that they are chosen forever elite, and the rest they deem or accept the idea of forever sinful, not realizing but for the grace of God.. Each and every one of us could just as well be in that large group who never come to the realization of Jesus and the heavenly Father during this lifetime of what some call the vale of tears (is that veil or vale? I've never known. Is there a vail? :mock: I  see the word as vail but I believe it's vale. Really I see it as a combo veil/vale.. Sorry, I think I went down the rabbit hole!)

Each and every one of us could just as well be in that large group who never come to the realization of Jesus and the heavenly Father during this lifetime. I totally believe that.. "Chosen" in the Greek, if I remember it right, includes in its usage "by lot". I was surprised to see that. I have been thinking for a long time that to be 'chosen' to come to the faith during this lifetime, was/is 'merely' a fortunate shake of the heavenly dice. Merely because someone has to play that role, and someone has to play the other role.

I think this more and more as I go along. That the second crowd, the one which is all those of the 2nd resurrection, which is of all the unsaved (not yet saved!) one thousand years after the return of Jesus and the 1st resurrection which is of all believers throughout the earth ages, that there is no 'them' and 'us' (of any sort).. That God is just letting things run their course, and dang it every course is gonna be run.. Everything under the sun.. what could happen would happen.. We know - there's only one "the way" of life.. All other ways of life, are not of life, but lead to death, so they are of death. We all had our delusions.. And but for the grace of God (and luck of the draw?) there we would still be.. All wrong ways can only crash.. crash n burn as they say.. Earthly fiery judgment.. No afterlife of torment. How dare anyone say so of Him! And say so of the rest of God's children..

But,

  He is able to humble those who walk in pride.

               I, Nebuchadnezzar, praise, exalt and honor the King of heaven, for all His works are true and His ways just, and He is able to humble those who walk in pride."

             :HeartThrob: :girlheart:

[sheila]

....andthe kings of the earth will bring their glory into the Holycity..and everyknee shallbow/confess to the King of kings.

[rosered]

 

   God bless  sister Marie !!!
Thanks for the response, sometimes I wonder if  I should keeps sharing  my thoughts here at times .. I get so behind on my chores  and  into this  so much ..

  Yes She was here for a loooooong time  Gen 11  was her clear beginning ,to me where you can see  her rise  up , but was even before this I do believe ,Revelations  shows us How Gods  plan of the ages is destroyed her in the end .

  The beast will hate her  and They will leave her desolate[empty, same as vanity all are subjected too  as worldly  ]

and naked[open show ] tear her flesh [  same as sarcasm  ,to make a mockery of RELIGION ]

and burn her with fire , this is  to me to be angry and hated , not a literal fire but rage against  , Like Hitler  did  rise up as a   beast /carnal  man  in a nation  to  kill  the Jews , This is how it all started   to be  more OPEN  because of the media   coverage of it , there were only   messengers to  record the history before this  and very few of these records   survived   except the  BIBLE .
The Bible is the true record of all the ages and generations  and peoples and tongues  and nations of God  dealing with them and  how they handled  the WORD OF LIFE .. Jesus is that  Word and  also  the only Resurrection there is , He is the Rest  and Sabbath  Day [1000 year reign] ever  was or is or will be .

He come in the flesh  literally in the fullness of time  , but comes now in the Spirit into our flesh to dwell ,   before those whom waited for Gods  revealing of Christ  died in faith and waiting on the promises of Gods  word of be fulfilled  , Jesus come to do just that  and is still doing it in my opinion ..


Rev 1 7 The Victory of the Lamb
...15Then the angel said to me, "The waters where you saw the prostitute seated are peoples and multitudes and nations and tongues. 16And the ten horns and the beast that you saw will hate the prostitute.

They will leave her desolate and naked, and will eat her flesh and burn her with fire.

17For God has put it into their hearts to carry out His purpose by uniting to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled....

Always of wars and rumors of wars     to me from the beginning  to the end  ..


Ezekiel 16:37
therefore, behold, I will gather all your lovers with whom you took pleasure, even all those whom you loved and all those whom you hated. So I will gather them against you from every direction and expose your nakedness to them that they may see all your nakedness.

Ezekiel 16:39
"I will also give you into the hands of your lovers, and they will tear down your shrines, demolish your high places, strip you of your clothing, take away your jewels, and will leave you naked and bare.

Revelation 12:3
Then another sign appeared in heaven: a huge red dragon with seven heads, ten horns, and seven royal crowns on his heads.

Revelation 17:12
The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but will receive one hour of authority as kings, along with the beast.

I see this as the rising up  in their time [age of natural life  70 years more or less]   this hour is always of a trial , a judgment  to be  carried out by Gods heavenly court system , to expose  sin /error  of pride in the earth as the world  is in judgment constantly  till God be all in all ..

Revelation 18:8
Therefore her plagues will come in one day, death and misery and famine; and she will be consumed by fire, for mighty is the Lord God who judges her."

One  day is the 1000 years of Gods  wrath against   Her  and  Jesus 1000 years  reign [Day of the Lord ]   both work  righteousness  of God by   consuming   the  old  and making all things new in Christ .

I know that sounds  simple and with a broad  brush and one stroke  .  But am convinced God has been behind the scenes  and hidden  from  mans sight for a long , long time now  , it will only be by the Spirit of truth and  prophecy /testimony of Jesus Christ  working in us to understand  any of it ..

God is doing a mighty work  for sure .

And what was done in the darkness [ignorance of mankind ]   will be brought into the Light and revealed  to everyone , when the knowledge  will cease   entirely  and be known to all   that Love was always  working  for the good of Gods new and beautiful creation  that come out of death   to rise up into HIS  GLORY  without end .. 

[rosered]

....andthe kings of the earth will bring their glory into the Holycity..and everyknee shallbow/confess to the King of kings.

  Yes it sure will  sister Shelia   , She was always the chosen of GOD  ,to let the Wisdom of God be known  to all the earth  that sings Gods glory , being the song of Moses and the song of the Lamb  purposed of Gods love that will never end !! 

[marie glen]

Revelation 17:12
The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but will receive one hour of authority as kings, along with the beast.

Rev 1 7 The Victory of the Lamb
...15Then the angel said to me, "The waters where you saw the prostitute seated are peoples and multitudes and nations and tongues. 16And the ten horns and the beast that you saw will hate the prostitute.

They will leave her desolate and naked, and will eat her flesh and burn her with fire.

whenever I read those verses I see in my mind an image of a beast with a circle of horns or seats on its head, lol.. ten of them.. like the ten toes of King Nebuchadnezzar's dream statue - (there's king Nebuchadnezzar again!) I'll betcha (figure of speech only) those ten kings of the last hour will be divisions of what everyone's always talking about, the 'one world government'. That's one conspiracy theory I do think is likely true.. how man will make man/government to be 'God'. Just look how they already have decided man is the higher/highest power.. Sitting man in the seat of highest power which only belongs to God! 'They' cannot believe in Him, so have their own theory of life (biggest false prophet of today? which is causing a great falling away of the culture from the faith?) - Basically, all of it is simply the same old, same old, man on the throne.. ruling.. Only now, because of technology it's getting to be a small world and if they work as one, what shall they not be able to do? Like before the confusing of the languages at Babel Tower.. Gonna finish building the tower.. world dominion, one world governing which will suck up the religions, making them fake/state religion (a one world faith? as they say).. Just look how that same godless philosophy often has hated Israel (hence Armageddon taking place at valley Hinnom) and Christians, and hates Capitalism.. so if the beast with its ten divisions/kings/territories(?) would finally fulfill the dream of socialism consuming capitalism, which of course is what it does, consumes the resources..not renewing them.. alas the the state or man a king as god has never worked out very well at all, you'd think all would know that by now..

17For God has put it into their hearts to carry out His purpose by uniting to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled....

I know that sounds  simple and with a broad  brush and one stroke  .  But am convinced God has been behind the scenes  and hidden  from  mans sight for a long , long time now  , it will only be by the Spirit of truth and  prophecy /testimony of Jesus Christ  working in us to understand  any of it ..

.."close up the words Daniel until the time of the end.."

God is doing a mighty work  for sure .

And what was done in the darkness [ignorance of mankind ]   will be brought into the Light and revealed  to everyone , when the knowledge  will cease   entirely  and be known to all   that Love was always  working  for the good of Gods new and beautiful creation  that come out of death   to rise up into HIS  GLORY  without end ..

  Amen!!  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :HeartThrob: :cloud9:

p.s. -

   sometimes I wonder if  I should keeps sharing  my thoughts here at times .. I get so behind on my chores  and  into this  so much ..

   you and me both, sister! just looked up, it's dark outside and the hens aren't locked in yet :mshock:

[rosered]

whenever I read those verses I see in my mind an image of a beast with a circle of horns or seats on its head, lol.. ten of them.. like the ten toes of King Nebuchadnezzar's dream statue - (there's king Nebuchadnezzar again!) I'll betcha (figure of speech only) those ten kings of the last hour will be divisions of what everyone's always talking about, the 'one world government'. That's one conspiracy theory I do think is likely true.. how man will make man/government to be 'God'. Just look how they already have decided man is the higher/highest power.. Sitting man in the seat of highest power which only belongs to God! 'They' cannot believe in Him, so have their own theory of life (biggest false prophet of today? which is causing a great falling away of the culture from the faith?) - Basically, all of it is simply the same old, same old, man on the throne.. ruling.. Only now, because of technology it's getting to be a small world and if they work as one, what shall they not be able to do? Like before the confusing of the languages at Babel Tower.. Gonna finish building the tower.. world dominion, one world governing which will suck up the religions, making them fake/state religion (a one world faith? as they say).. Just look how that same godless philosophy often has hated Israel (hence Armageddon taking place at valley Hinnom) and Christians, and hates Capitalism.. so if the beast with its ten divisions/kings/territories(?) would finally fulfill the dream of socialism consuming capitalism, which of course is what it does, consumes the resources..not renewing them.. alas the the state or man a king as god has never worked out very well at all, you'd think all would know that by now..

 

Hi Sis Marie ,    I also  see this as a  ''one world order  '' that has been in motion for a very long time  also  . :iagree:

Generations  upon generations   of slavery to   this'' Image of a Beast''  and the  Harlot of the earth that rides upon its back and is the Abomination  in Gods sight .
  I recall reading some things  many years ago  of interest .

For many  centuries and in many nations   there was no law  and folks mainly governed themselves  as far as churches go  ,there was none  , they had ''family idols of the household  gods   as many ''   was the extent of any kind of worship  and left to their imaginations  and survival   was  of the fittest .

  Than it was under Judaism   from Jerusalem  for centuries   of the Jewish  descendants , till Christianity   was established

When  did actual  churches come on the scene  was in Acts , it was Rome  [G 897  from  Babylon = "confusion"

a very large and famous city, the residence of the Babylonian kings, situated on both banks of the Euphrates. Cyrus had formerly captured it, but Darius Hystaspis threw down its gates and walls, and Xerxes destroyed the temple of Belis. At length the city was reduced to almost solitude, the population having been drawn off by the neighbouring Seleucia, built on the Tigris by Seleucus Nicanor.

of the territory of Babylonia

allegorically, of Rome as the most corrupt seat of idolatry and the enemy of Christianity

  1 Peter  5 ;13 ...12Through Silvanus, whom I regard as a faithful brother, I have written to you briefly, encouraging you and testifying that this is the true grace of God. Stand firm in it. 13The church in Babylon, chosen together with you, sends you greetings, as does my son Mark. 14Greet one another with a kiss of love. Peace to all of you who are in Christ.

Strange it was the church that took care of   the poor and needy .

  And the government  basically took on the role of  law and rule for protection ,armies and taxes  in cities  of social commodities .

  Somehow the government began to do the work of the churches ?

All these   social programs  for the poor and needy    and  carried  by  the taxes of the working class  in many nations  especially the U.S.A.

I find all this very odd .

Quote from: rosered on January 21, 2018, 05:46:51 PM
17For God has put it into their hearts to carry out His purpose by uniting to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled....

Quote from: rosered on January 21, 2018, 05:46:51 PM
I know that sounds  simple and with a broad  brush and one stroke  .  But am convinced God has been behind the scenes  and hidden  from  mans sight for a long , long time now  , it will only be by the Spirit of truth and  prophecy /testimony of Jesus Christ  working in us to understand  any of it ..

.."close up the words Daniel until the time of the end.."

  We have that   sis , but also this  to consider  as well ,  Do not seal up the  words of this book.......

  Rev 22 Jesus is Coming
...9But he said to me, "Do not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers the prophets, and with those who keep the words of this book. Worship God!"


10Then he told me, "Do not seal up the words of prophecy in this book, because the time is near.

11Let the unrighteous continue to be unrighteous, and the vile continue to be vile;

let the righteous continue to practice righteousness, and the holy continue to be holy."

Revelation 1:3
Blessed is the one who reads the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear and obey what is written in it, because the time is near.


I find it that whomsoever   reads those  very words  in what ever time /generation or place   always applies  , because  JESUS IS ALWAYS  .. that GOD never changes   and HIS WORDS  are always TRUTH .
The one reading  it obeys  by faith hearing what the HOLY SPIRIT  is saying  will be blessed of God though their end .
This is why I believe it is so personally applied .

p.s. -
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   sometimes I wonder if  I should keeps sharing  my thoughts here at times .. I get so behind on my chores  and  into this  so much ..

   you and me both, sister! just looked up, it's dark outside and the hens aren't locked in yet :mshock:

  :laugh:    So true Sis ,  ha ha , we are having a time with frozen water  from the spring and getting water into  our house ,  the polar vortex  hitting us for 2 weeks  have brought a hardship on   this farm lol     Even our chickens have survived the  deep freeze ,   so glad for that .. and have carried lots of buckets of water from the pond to them ! glad that is done  for now  lol..
God is good  and made a way though    , but we should expect troubles in this life , that is a given the WORD says so  .
  We have His peace because we trust  the LORD  JESUS CHRIST  keeping our hearts  in the Love of God ,  to the end of these  things ...
  :HeartThrob: :friendstu:
 

[marie glen]

   you and me both, sister! just looked up, it's dark outside and the hens aren't locked in yet :mshock:

  :laugh:    So true Sis ,  ha ha , we are having a time with frozen water  from the spring and getting water into  our house ,  the polar vortex  hitting us for 2 weeks  have brought a hardship on   this farm lol     Even our chickens have survived the  deep freeze ,   so glad for that .. and have carried lots of buckets of water from the pond to them ! glad that is done  for now  lol..
God is good  and made a way though    , but we should expect troubles in this life , that is a given the WORD says so  .
  We have His peace because we trust  the LORD  JESUS CHRIST  keeping our hearts  in the Love of God ,  to the end of these  things ...
  :HeartThrob: :friendstu:

Amen.. I can't help thinking this life of "missing the mark" is tribulation, and is also apocalypse/collapse/ruin/"the wages" (result) "of sin" (greek "missing the mark") Which some natural tribulations of life still accompany us, but we have been transplanted into His kingdom and thus the ruin has passed us over.. :cloud9: :banana:

We had some of that polar vortex too.. but now it's warmer and the chickens (and dogs, cat and humans) are loving it! :thumbsup:

[rosered]

   you and me both, sister! just looked up, it's dark outside and the hens aren't locked in yet :mshock:

  :laugh:    So true Sis ,  ha ha , we are having a time with frozen water  from the spring and getting water into  our house ,  the polar vortex  hitting us for 2 weeks  have brought a hardship on   this farm lol     Even our chickens have survived the  deep freeze ,   so glad for that .. and have carried lots of buckets of water from the pond to them ! glad that is done  for now  lol..
God is good  and made a way though    , but we should expect troubles in this life , that is a given the WORD says so  .
  We have His peace because we trust  the LORD  JESUS CHRIST  keeping our hearts  in the Love of God ,  to the end of these  things ...
  :HeartThrob: :friendstu:

Amen.. I can't help thinking this life of "missing the mark" is tribulation, and is also apocalypse/collapse/ruin/"the wages" (result) "of sin" (greek "missing the mark") Which some natural tribulations of life still accompany us, but we have been transplanted into His kingdom and thus the ruin has passed us over.. :cloud9: :banana:

We had some of that polar vortex too.. but now it's warmer and the chickens (and dogs, cat and humans) are loving it! :thumbsup:

I totally agree with you   Marie  :dsunny:  missing the mark is missing out  on the higher calling  ,

His voice to rise up out of ''death''  carnality   and be with Him  on the higher realm of thoughts , where Love is  reasoned and  purposed in God .

It is  keeping our minds  on the things above   .


As focusing  our spiritual eyes  on  Jesus and  heart  on the things that are pure and holy   and less flesh  with those desires that is condemned to die already   ,

Where faith takes the  forefront  by practicing   trust in God   in every area of our lives and looking for the good and grace that abounds ,

as it can always be worse  than what we are going though  actually ...  by acknowledging  God   by being thankful   for His mercy   in every little thing .

  Titus 1  come to mind .. :girlheart:

[MHz]

Hi ya all,
I confess I haven't posted here for ages.
My thought is if the mark of the beast isn't some sort of chip, why does the bible state that everyone who has this mark will develop sores (could that be cancerous).
Thanks Nancy

Those are part of the vials punishment that ends Satan's kingdom. The 'thief in the night' is part of the 7 vials.

Re:18:8:
Therefore shall her plagues come in one day,
death,
and mourning,
and famine;
and she shall be utterly burned with fire:
for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

Re:16:2:
And the first went,
and poured out his vial upon the earth;
and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast,
and upon them which worshipped his image.

Re:16:15:
Behold,
I come as a thief.
Blessed is he that watcheth,
and keepeth his garments,
lest he walk naked,
and they see his shame.
Re:16:16:
And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

I would like to add that the mark of the Beast starts with his 42 month reign and the 10 men he gives kingdoms to worship him. During that 42 months the mark is a sign that a person is a merchant how makes a living by buying and selling as the Beast directs. Consumers have not taken the mark as they buy things but they do nor sell. That is 1/2 of the demand that is placed on the mark sending you to hell. You also have to worship the 'image' and that is a false throne that will stand in Jerusalem just for the 4 days the two witnesses are dead. Jerusalem is Satan's Babylon for those 4 days and then the city is melted with the same fire that was used on Sodom.

Re:18:10-13:
Standing afar off for the fear of her torment,
saying,
Alas,
alas,
that great city Babylon,
that mighty city!
for in one hour is thy judgment come.
And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her;
for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:
The merchandise of gold,
and silver,
and precious stones,
and of pearls,
and fine linen,
and purple,
and silk,
and scarlet,
and all thyine wood,
and all manner vessels of ivory,
and all manner vessels of most precious wood,
and of brass,
and iron, and marble,
And cinnamon,
and odours,
and ointments,
and frankincense,
and wine,
and oil,
and fine flour,
and wheat,
and beasts,
and sheep,
and horses,
and chariots,
and slaves,
and souls of men.

Re:13:14:
And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast;
saying to them that dwell on the earth,
that they should make an image to the beast,
which had the wound by a sword,
and did live.
Re:13:15:
And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast,
that the image of the beast should both speak,
and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.