Love or You are nothing!

[Ross]

We cannot personally change anything. Paul was changed by God. If this life is all there is to life then we should be pitied most!
One of the least talked about eras is the great white throne of judgment. This seems to be an unlimited period. Judgment points out the errors and also points out that Christ covered ALL our sins, even our doubts and fears.
Part of our learning is coming up appreciate the depth of Gods love and the patience working all things together for good, knowing that NOTHING can keep us from the love ofGod.
No discipline is pleasant at the time but the fruit is deep.
God loves you and me and He is bringing you closer every day.

[whatistruth]

I just know that sometimes it is very difficult to love God. even he making it difficult to love.

I can understand if a person does this. Because it's a human.(people are often shown small and incapable in the book. like a loser. but still God expects perfection from people. Interesting!)  it makes a lot of mistakes and sinful. But, I do not understand the difficulties god's created for people.

I show pity all people and I love them. because people are left to a painful world.They are often weak. But I can not say the same thing for god. he left us alone in such a bad world, when he said that own was powerful and perfect. He hid himself. He did not intervene even in the rape of a small child. Even he also said that when God punishes israel they will be raped.what a disgusting punishment!

People are getting away from god because of testing (for son) or suffering(all people)
But God insists on testing people and leaving them in pain. God takes the risk of losing people.

And God allows people to get knowingly false information about him. (Religions, other gods)

And,

I guess, the fruit you are talking about is spirit fruit.

there is no holy spirit in all. some people said, without the spirit everything was worthless.  Well, why do other people suffer? if there are no spirit fruits?
they really give fruit but vain without spirit.

if they are not a son, yet ? (Discipline)

Maybe I do not have holy spirit.
( or maybe I am not a son)  and all the anguish I draw is in vain.

there is a lot to say but never mind.

I mean, I will say that, it is difficult for me to believe in God's love.

but I love you guys. you are also suffering from the world's pain.
I respect all the people for all their patience. they live a life they do not want to live.

Thank you for everything.
And thank you Ross  :friendstu:

[Ross]

For me your comments show the depth of your seeking the answer to life.
The fruit you refer to is the fruit of the Spirit- real fruit does not really happen in full for the first few years and only really burst out after much pruning and water.
Many will not receive the Spirit until the resurrection! I. M. O this is so that they will learn the truth correctly and directly from God not man.
The fact that you are loving, to me indicates you are growing and being brought nearer to the glorious truth which literally sets us free!😇

[whatistruth]

Amen!
I hope so. 
   :friendstu: :dsunny:

[whatistruth]

Patinak, Thank you very much for prayer.  :cloud9: :girlheart:
I am sorry for the delay. God bless you.

And,
I salute all people (unbelievers, without spirit or loveless) who do really try all the good works. May god accept! :Pray:

[marie glen]

I salute all people (unbelievers, without spirit or loveless) who do really try all the good works. May god accept! :Pray:

Me too! And i do believe / know He will save all.. All will be resurrected.

for there never to have been suffering/the wrong way.. there would have to be a lack of thinking ability. Always, no thinking creatures ever. But, He, it seems chose to endow thinking ability even tho He being Life, has to suffer it all.. Some bible is history.

Some, like Eve's (woman) being dominated by man.. natural consequence God described, not necessarily caused.. albeit he did, indirectly by endowing rationality (thus choice). All forgiven, all made new. All fully understanding good from evil (life from death) so suffering never occurs again.. otherwise, no thinking ability. my :2c: :gsmile: keep trusting and progress in the heart, and mind, occurs.. :thumbsup:

[Dandelion]

Whatistruth, I just want to say, concerning your comment about being all together, I am sure we are 'all together'.

We are all together in Jesus, in ways I am sure we cannot even imagine!

One day we will realize how very close we always were....and always will be.

On your dark days, hold onto that. God is home and we are united in Him.

Watch the movie, THE WIZARD OF OZ, one day, if you haven't already.

The main character, a young girl, takes a long adventure to go home, only to find out, she could always go home.

And, even better, she realizes she always was home!

The movie is not a Christian movie, but, it does have several good themes in it, I think.

It is a strange plot, however, with some interesting characters in it. Like a fairytale, in many ways.

I loved that movie, since I was a little girl, though. 

https://youtu.be/4cWKkjTzukM

D.

[whatistruth]

Thank you for good words sisters. :girlheart:

I had watched that movie. it was really interesting.

sometimes I think, maybe my name was not written in the book of life when the world was established. Maybe god took away my share in the tree of life and in the holy city.
(Revelation)

As I said before, there are too many threats in the book and life is very difficult.Sometimes I get desperate. maybe I'm not the chosen one. (they were elected before the world was established. İnjustice! But I can not change my destiny. )
maybe I'm not a son. Maybe I am among those whom God hates. Maybe maybe..

Sometimes a hope comes to me.short-lived. then I feel the desire to be together next to you in real sense.I've felt this way for God before. But my life put off me.

Anyway, Thank you for your love and interest.  :friendstu: :HeartThrob:

[Ross]

You may not be in the ecclesia/first born- but ALL will be saved and ALL at their allotted time!

Seems like the enemy is throwing red flags left right and centre at you/ planting doubts about your success in life! The best argument against that conclusion is the statement that Christ has done all things that bring you boldly before the throne of judgment with His providence of mercy and complete rescue from our sins! His provision is faultless!

Our Father loves us ALL but has had to show no favouritism so that we are all equals!
Romans 9 points out about Jacob and Esau having no say in their allotment so that nobody can boast!
Press on and you will have your answer and your eyes opened.

[whatistruth]

I salute all people (unbelievers, without spirit or loveless) who do really try all the good works. May god accept! :Pray:

Me too!

:thumbsup: :iagree:

And Ross, Amen.


Sometimes I think of it, is it good for god's behave unfair even for a better purpose? No. For example, about first fruit...  why some are selected others not?

I see many injustices in the book and in the world. for whatever purpose I can not accept it. For this reason, instead of learning about bible and god, I wish I had never read the book.
then maybe my head would be relax and I would not go away from god because of what god did.but god says these words are reliable and real.then how does he accept someone who doesn't like his book? ( I guess, I dont like. May god forgive me!)

My Love is cold because of injustice or wrong knowledge about god but I do not think God will understand this. Because he says,
Matt 24:12-13  " Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved."

So, a lot of people will not make it.maybe me too.

Look! he knows, everyone can not last until the end.but he still allows everything.God does not care to lose people.


Also,
some people say, don't trust to book but god says, trust. If I trust to the book, I will have to believe in eternal punishment.

nevertheless, I will wait until the last hope inside is finished.

I don't want to tire all of you anymore.  Thank you so much for your help until this time. (I am saying everyone)
Your tenderness warm the cockles of my heart.

[Dandelion]

I believe the only real Love is unconditional love.

And, I believe we see that, because of God in us.

If God made all His children, but only loved some, that would seem very arbitrary
and unfair.

1 Corinthians 13:8 says, "Love never fails".

I so believe that God's Love never fails, for He is the author and keeper of Love. God is Love.

I can't imagine that His love will not come running to embrace us all, as in the prodigal son story.

We are all the lost sheep; the lost coin, and He will seek us and find us all, and celebrate our homecoming.

I believe.

D.