Fruit in the Fire

[Lazarus Short]

FRUIT IN THE FIRE

Sometime between Babylon conquering Judah and razing Jerusalem, God showed Jeremiah the vision of the very good and very bad figs.  This is in Jeremiah 24:1-8, and the figs represented two classes of the people of Judah.

What makes fruit/people good?  It is sort of Christianity 101 that only the Holy Spirit can do that.  What is not so well known is that there are seven Spirits of God.  The are mentioned four times in the Revelation, at 1:4, 3:1, 4:5 and 5:6, but to ID them, we must go to the Old Testament.  We see them in Genesis 2:7, where God creates Adam, and in Isaiah 11:2, where the rest are listed.  They are as follows:

1.  The Spirit of Life

2.  The Spirit of Wisdom

3.  The Spirit of Understanding

4.  The Spirit of Counsel

5.  The Spirit of Might

6.  The Spirit of Knowledge of God

7.  The Spirit of Fear of God

Now the fruit of the Spirit, or the Seven Spirits, is as follows:

1.  Love

2.  Joy

3.  Peace

4.  Forbearance

5.  Kindness

6.  Goodness

7.  Faithfulness

8.  Gentleness

9.  Self-Control

These are the Good Fruits, and we see in James 2:26 that "...as the body without the spirit [Spirit of Life] is dead, so faith without works is dead."  The nine traits listed above are the works we build on the foundation of our faith, with the help of the Spirits. 

On the other hand, the bad fruits of not having the Spirits are works as well, listed in Colossians 3:-8:

1.  Fornication

2.  Uncleanness

3.  Inordinate Affection

4.  Evil Concupiscence

5.  Covetousness

6.  Anger

7.  Wrath

8.  Malice

9.  Blasphemy

10.  Filthy Communication

Also refer to II Timothy, chapter 3.

Now if we compare the good figs/fruits/works of the Spirits of God, and compare them with the figs/fruits/works of the lack of having the Spirits, the following Scripture comes into sharp focus:

"11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;

13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire."  I Corinthians 3:11-15, KJV

This is how this writer interprets the passage:  Verse 11 tells us who it applies to.  Now some will insist it has only to do with the saved, or the church, but I note that Jesus the Christ is the Creator, the One Who sustains us and gives us life.  Thus, no man can lay any other foundation than Him, for good or ill.  Verse 12 gives us the figs, fruits, and works in new terms – gold, silver and precious stones for the fruits of the Spirits, and wood, hay and stubble for the fruits of not having the Spirits.  Verse 14 promises reward for those who have gold/silver/precious stones left after the fire...and verse 15 predicts loss for those who have little or nothing after the fire, after the wood, hay and stubble are consumed.  Please note as well, reader, that it is the WORKS that are burned up, not the person – they are "...saved; yet so as by fire."  Saved!  God's fire burns up works, not sinners, not the wicked.  I see this as a purification, nevertheless, those whose works are burned up suffer loss, and what is the loss?  I think it is the loss of the right to inherit in the Kingdom as co-heirs of Jesus the Christ:  "And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together."  Romans 8:17, KJV  Further, we have this from I John 3:2 -
"Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we will be We know that when He appears, we will be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is."  Those who suffer loss, if I am putting this together correctly, lose the right to inherit and worse, becoming like Jesus.  Thus, we can understand Daniel 12:2 aside from everlasting punishment:  "And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt."

[Ross]

I see this as a purification,

Amen! A literal process.

I.M.O  part of being purified completely is being shown what is being removed and why, so that the process makes sense and is fully appreciated for the totality of the plan/system which brings us to the real position of power and authority we have "In Christ!"
-just like we do not give a child a complicated piece of machinery/technology until they can grasp the power through the use of said equipment, until they have the pro's and con's pointed out; then they go through practical experience to re-enforce that info. They will make mistakes, but that is an essential part of learning. To know their mistakes have been paid for and are part of learning removes all insecurity and guilt- but realising, becoming aware of that plan only comes at their appointed time. 

[marie glen]

 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: Amen brothers!

Your analogy Lazarus - I loved! Especially the "Saved!" ...And how true it is! :banana:

...also the 7 spirits / essences (?) of God.. the fruits.. He is the vine, we are the branches.. to abide in Him is to produce that fruit. I think however that the 2nd resurrection will in time catch up to the 1st and all will be one in Christ Jesus.. just this morning I was thinking of how "obtaining our salvation/choice - being chosen.. in "obtain" is "by lot" .. and then I was thinking of the umim and the thumim, how they were used to cast lot for Gid's answer to something.. (it always seemed a little strange to me, but now I get it!) I love how life and his Word fits all together like pieces of a cosmic puzzle.. perfectly fit.. all things, pertaining verses, puntogether..

And the fruits.. gold, silver.. surviving the fires.. perfectly fit..



Amen Ross! Recently I was reading the parts in his Word which talks about his covenant /contract and how the guarantee.. pledge.. and "seal" is the Spirit in us.. of the bread (daily) and the wine, Jesus said this is the blood of the covenant.. no coincidence most stamps on scrolls etc are red..(?)

Our Father it seems to me is very methodical.. and I think this is a clue to all things..

...As is the FRUITS!

[Ross]

Our Father it seems to me is very methodical.. and I think this is a clue to all things..

:thumbsup: Precise in fact!!

[marie glen]

A--men!! :thumbsup: He knows exActly what He is about! (Certainly none of this losing of more than He saves! :LH: ...it's just not possible...

[jugghead]

not to be a stick in the mud but wouldn't "the loss of the right to inherit in the Kingdom as co-heirs of Jesus the Christ" nullify "All in All"?

[rosered]

I love what you shared  Laz ,  :HeartThrob:

wonderful ! made me think  of the   these also  :HeartThrob:  Matt 5  3

Blessed are the poor in spirit for theirs are the Kingdom of God

   Knowing our lack and need before Him  and asking to be  filled  with and by His HOLY SPIRIT    and not desiring our   pitiful  self serving , being evil  spirit to rule  our hearts  any longer ...


Luke 11 ...12Or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion?

13So if you who are evil know how to give good gifts to your children,

How much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!"

  Matt   7 ;11  calls them'' good things '' in place of the Holy Sprint  ,  when we ask the Father  out of a humble  heart

  What are we overcoming but this world and it is full of evil  :sigh:


Gifts of Gods grace  though ,  the Son [ Jesus is the reward !]   the ONLY way to obtain power from on high and  overcome this world ...  is though Jesus Christ [Christ in you the hope of glory ]

Eph 4 ...7Now to each one of us grace has been given according to the measure of the gift of Christ.


8This is why it says: "When He ascended on high, He led captives away, and gave gifts to men."

9What does "He ascended" mean, except that He also descended to the lower parts of the earth?...

  Grace is loving and overcomes   evil with good   always ,  for me  [ in  my opinion /judgment ]


Grace is unmerited  favor   from God ,   can you imagine not knowing Gods grace  in the here and now ? or  how much He loves us  by sending   His Son ?.

The high minded rulers  of the earth [earthly sensual and devilish   deeds]  than and now [Matt23]

   hated His  bold  truth[stopped their ears  from hearing  ]  and desired to kill Him  in their hearts ,

but GOD proved they could not  destroy  Him  ,

for this very  reason He was sent  by the Father , to be the first born  from   the dead  ,

and  raise the dead to Life again ,being  an open show  , no longer a  hidden mystery  any longer !! 

We are told to keep loving one another and praying for one another  ,as being secret  from the heart  to God s  ear ,hearing us , not  before men  .

[sheila]

 :thumbsup:  Jugghead...I think it would...at most it may hinder the 'entering in" a little while[enter first/last etc..harlots tax collectors

enter in before you"

   Ross.. yes it it aconscious process for some..but not all... there is the example of legion possessed who was out of His mind

until the Lord appeared unto him and he bowed unto him...then he was 'in his right mind' and the dead He raised to life were certainly not

conscious of what was going on..............some men's 'works' precede them to judgement..some after.

      we shall NOT all die..but we shall ALL BE CHANGED.....IN THE TWINKLING OF AN EYE :2c:

[sheila]

Parable of the wedding banquet......those previouslyinvited[Israel when Jesus come] and christian churches in our day......invited

  to wedding supper......go to the street corners and invite anyone you find...both bad and good[prodigal sons/bad behaviour faithful/good

   or walking in spirit/walking in flesh]the salvation of all is our feast[best wine for last/best robe]...including gentiles was Israel's water

  of life.   Now the Lamb and His bride have spread a feast  for the poor and for all that can not pay back.


  .......no wedding garment= didn't eat the wedding supper[spiritual food/truth] willcause you to be clothed with

spots of demonic doctrines...love for ALL , grace for ALL..and truth= spotless and blameless by His sacrifice..


  prodigals=all in Adam whodied..get Best robe[new skins/immortality/incorruption freegift eternal life...a ring for the finger=

a circle judgement[spirit return unto God..Prince of this world judged] sandals for the feet[I willwalk in them,O'Immanuel]to declare

that GOD ALONE WILL BE EXALTED IN THAT DAY...no flesh boast!

[Lazarus Short]

not to be a stick in the mud but wouldn't "the loss of the right to inherit in the Kingdom as co-heirs of Jesus the Christ" nullify "All in All"?

A henge, used to measure times & seasons, is just a bunch of sticks (woodhenge) or stones (stonehenge) stuck in the mud or earth.  I expect that the loss of the right to inherit is not permanent, but lasts for a season or age, until the Kingdom is handed over to the Father.  I think we all here subscribe to the idea of complete and eventual Reconciliation, yes?  The Bible says God will become All in all, and I believe that, for it is the ultimate Good News.  :dsunny: :dsunny: :dsunny: :dsunny: :dsunny: :dsunny: :dsunny: :dsunny:

[rosered]

not to be a stick in the mud but wouldn't "the loss of the right to inherit in the Kingdom as co-heirs of Jesus the Christ" nullify "All in All"?

A henge, used to measure times & seasons, is just a bunch of sticks (woodhenge) or stones (stonehenge) stuck in the mud or earth.  I expect that the loss of the right to inherit is not permanent, but lasts for a season or age, until the Kingdom is handed over to the Father.  I think we all here subscribe to the idea of complete and eventual Reconciliation, yes?  The Bible says God will become All in all, and I believe that, for it is the ultimate Good News.  :dsunny: :dsunny: :dsunny: :dsunny: :dsunny: :dsunny: :dsunny: :dsunny:

  I do too! :HeartThrob:   Those    come in lastly ,  Dan  is last  to me   , they were never sealed or spoken of in the new testament  ever ..
  The reason I say this  is because of Amos  8   and  also  Jesus saying you will NOT see me again TILL  , you say ,Blessed is He whom comes in the name of the Lord .. Matt 23


and the description   of   the tribe of Dan  in the last days Gen 49:16       Dan shall judge his people, as one of the tribes of Israel.

:17       Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that bites the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward.
:18       I have waited for thy salvation, O LORD.  those that hinder the path and bruise the heel  , are those whom heads are crushed  along the way , in my opinion , just my thoughts .

serpents sure  would "hinder " the   path & process     of  Rev 20 Blessed is he whom is in the first Resurrection   [ Christ body]

   the 2nd death is for  Rev 21  ;8   &     9  Revelation 21:8 (NLT)

8 "But cowards, unbelievers, the corrupt, murderers, the immoral, those who practice witchcraft, idol worshipers, and all liars—their fate is in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."

  serpents  of the  evil  one  ,   and they have the seven   last  bowels of   plagues    in the wrath of God   to contend with still ..

Maybe even the   woes of Matt 23    receiving the  stricter punishment   ...38Look, your house is left to you desolate. 39For I tell you that you will not see Me again until you say, 'Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord.'"


9 Then one of the seven angels who held the seven bowls containing the seven last plagues came and said to me, "Come with me! I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb."

 
I must follow  the scriptures and  hear what  the Spirit  says ,  not add  to  them or leave  any of  them out  either  .

each one of us has  to  hear and obey as they understand it , we are not to judge anyone   but judge what is right in the sight of God  .

  GOD is the lawgiver and judge    after all  , and is able to save and destroy    .


  But He does   also make, " all things new ", as well .    :dsunny: :HeartThrob:

[jugghead]

I agree with that it would be temporary, but the reason I asked is because as I read the verses what popped into my head was that the works being burned up was the loss they suffered

but that's just my opinion

[Lazarus Short]

I agree with that it would be temporary, but the reason I asked is because as I read the verses what popped into my head was that the works being burned up was the loss they suffered

but that's just my opinion

That may well be correct.  :Chinscratch:

[WhiteWings]

the works being burned up was the loss they suffered

That would be odd because if the works are burned because they are useless, it's not a loss.
The type of works spoken of are sins of not 100% trusting Christ. I can't imagine that the Bible calls the removal of sin a loss.

[rosered]

the works being burned up was the loss they suffered

That would be odd because if the works are burned because they are useless, it's not a loss.
The type of works spoken of are sins of not 100% trusting Christ. I can't imagine that the Bible calls the removal of sin a loss.

  Well for me the   works of  anyone building a false image   of God and idolizing  it and than telling others to worship it also
   is the works being burned  up , the fruit of your own doings , not the Holy Sprint fruits 

  Same works of the devil [adversity ] as working against God   and the Holy Spirit is grieved and being  a hindrance and  not a help at all  , the help meet is the Body of Christ, His  true Church /bride      working   with   the Lord to create  new  children of the Day , holy fruit to God and not  darkness any longer .

here are some scriptures to consider please   , but first

  I cannot  help but think of  Jesus  calling Simon old nature '' instrument of violence ''along with Levi , he cut off the soldiers  ear  with a sword ,    Peter also  new name and nature   pebble /stone

Called him Satan , when He was hindering the Lords work of the Cross , saying you are mindful of the things  that be of men and NOT GOD

Peter  had to be sifted like wheat and the chaff is  burned up  on the threshing floor , God is a jealous God and consuming fire .
but the chaff he will ''burn up with unquenchable fire."

Our  baptism of Holy Spirit and fire  consumes the evil and leaves the good to prosper  in every  harvest season .
Bearing more fruit to God  being a process of cleansing    and refining   purity .

This verse describes wind winnowing, the period's standard process for separating the wheat from the chaff. ... The unneeded chaff would then be burned.

God gave him dreams  to keep him from going back under the old law of  bondage and slavery to the sin nature   he just come out of .

We see where Peter  suffered  greatly in the scriptures. but was also given a beautiful testimony to the glory of God


For me,  it is man making idols of their own thoughts and works of their hands ,  will worship and worship of angels messengers  of the  true   God  and false gods of this world  ,

We  remember how much John   wanted to bow down and worship the  angel /messenger   in Rev 22  9But he said to me, "Do not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers the prophets, and with those who keep the words of this book. Worship God!"

 

.Eph 4 .New Life in Christ is  putting God first ....  being fruitful and multiplying    the holy seed .


...29Let no unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building up the one in need and bringing grace to those who listen.

30And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, in whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

31Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, outcry and slander, along with every form of malice....



Genesis 6:6
The LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.

Psalm 78:40
How often they rebelled against Him in the wilderness And grieved Him in the desert!

Isaiah 63:10
But they rebelled And grieved His Holy Spirit; Therefore He turned Himself to become their enemy, He fought against them.

John 3:33
Whoever accepts His testimony has certified that God is truthful.

Ephesians 1:13
And in Him you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, having heard and believed the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation.

1 Thessalonians 5:19
Do not extinguish the Spirit.

Hebrews 10:29
How much more severely do you think one deserves to be punished who has trampled on the Son of God, profaned the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and insulted the Spirit of grace?

  Keeping ourselves from idol  worship   means letting go of everything  that hinders  and letting God   reign  our hearts  to me   imo . 

and it is a pressing thing to go though   ,  a very easy thing to say  and never an easy  thing to do in  this life .For sure ,  the devil is here to tempt us and accuse  us before God  day and night  , but drawing close to the Lord  is our help in the hour of need like no other .
  1 John 5

20And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding,


so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true—in His Son Jesus Christ.

He is the true God and eternal life.

21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols.

[Dandelion]

Perhaps it is thought of as a 'loss' for all the time, energy, and talents that were put into something that was not for God's kingdom.

D.

[jugghead]

Perhaps it is thought of as a 'loss' for all the time, energy, and talents that were put into something that was not for God's kingdom.

D.

That is what came to my mind D ..... it is a loss if what you thought (believed) was right turned out to be wrong

[sheila]

excellant word,Sis. ..and not one is lost[loss]but the son of perdition..that the scriptures be fulfilled.Judas/as portraying satan entering

and  doing a 'work' in a man's flesh[liar thief man killer]...betraying Christ for 30 pieces of silver. Jesus said...'the prince  of this world

comes and he has nothing in me"  it is a loss to us desiring to bear fruit unto Christ..to harm/grieve Him inany way.Judas repented

and died in great sorrow of heart..and I believed he felt great loss. Peter denying 3 times out of fear..felt loss.  the moreof Christ

in us[increasing]..........30,60,100 fold..the talents increasing..or loss of what you thinkyou have...when all things are laid bare.


      Judas..as a picture of one expierencing this great loss..when his works were consumed of the fire.[as having been of the works of

the devil].was still saved as though through that fire[Jesus cross]


  new heaven/new earth=no more hurt/harm....

[rosered]

Seems we are all saying the same things  :laughing7:

[jugghead]

Seems we are all saying the same things  :laughing7:

Isn't that to say "Like minded in Christ"

[rosered]

Seems we are all saying the same things  :laughing7:

Isn't that to say "Like minded in Christ"

Amen Bro Jugg !  :dsunny:

[darryl]

FRUIT IN THE FIRE


Also refer to II Timothy, chapter 3.

Now if we compare the good figs/fruits/works of the Spirits of God, and compare them with the figs/fruits/works of the lack of having the Spirits, the following Scripture comes into sharp focus:

"11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;

13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire."  I Corinthians 3:11-15, KJV

This is how this writer interprets the passage:  Verse 11 tells us who it applies to.  Now some will insist it has only to do with the saved, or the church, but I note that Jesus the Christ is the Creator, the One Who sustains us and gives us life.  Thus, no man can lay any other foundation than Him, for good or ill.  Verse 12 gives us the figs, fruits, and works in new terms – gold, silver and precious stones for the fruits of the Spirits, and wood, hay and stubble for the fruits of not having the Spirits.  Verse 14 promises reward for those who have gold/silver/precious stones left after the fire...and verse 15 predicts loss for those who have little or nothing after the fire, after the wood, hay and stubble are consumed.  Please note as well, reader, that it is the WORKS that are burned up, not the person – they are "...saved; yet so as by fire."  Saved!  God's fire burns up works, not sinners, not the wicked.  I see this as a purification, nevertheless, those whose works are burned up suffer loss, and what is the loss?  I think it is the loss of the right to inherit in the Kingdom as co-heirs of Jesus the Christ:  "And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together."  Romans 8:17, KJV  Further, we have this from I John 3:2 -
"Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we will be We know that when He appears, we will be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is."  Those who suffer loss, if I am putting this together correctly, lose the right to inherit and worse, becoming like Jesus.  Thus, we can understand Daniel 12:2 aside from everlasting punishment:  "And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt."

yes...Jesus is the Foundation for ALL...for every human being whether they know it or not.