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[whatistruth]

I will say this much whatistruth, in months or even years we will all look back on this thread and see how much you have grown.

Blessings brother

Amen brother !  :friendstu:

I think a bit of both. And that's what confuses people.
God will be happy and forgiving because you tried.
But He will also correct you because He also want to remove all errors.
That's why for example in Psalm we see the big boots of God in one verse and the hugging God in the next.
In the NT we see writings of the Apostles of which all agree they go to heaven. But those apostles themselves time after time wrote God is correcting them big time.

It's the balance. I repeat the balance.

God does not punish without an end.
God does not let sins/misunderstandings/etc go uncorrected without an end.

But many somehow don't see that. God punishes severely and endlessly. -> Classic hell
God basically does nothing at all because Jesus took care of it all -> View of a many, not all, Universalists

My view is that all Scripture has to be taken into account.
God does punish, God gets angry, God does correct. And none of it is fun. *
But it's never without end because Luke 12:48 puts a limit on punishment.
When all that's done, God is all love and eternal bliss.

I will think of what you say. Thank you so much.  I must also mention,

The problem is,  I am so far away from God at this stage. I am sinning against him.

Because I've suffered a lot and I've seen bad things about him. If this is a correction, God should give me a relationship with him. As long as I'm away from him, this life has no meaning. This correction does not make sense. A human can not mature without a god.

P.S   Why does he allow it? How does it allow me to get away from him? What if I can not go back? I know the story of a son who is returning, but,  I have a problem with the god's himself and god character. For this reason, I can not go back like that disappear son.

Also, God did not do anything special to turn him back. The son himself returned.

And, I know a man who served years to Jesus. One day he got away from him. Never he came back again. God allowed it. There are many people in this situation. Some are dead. 

Sometimes I'm afraid, he will not turn me back.   Lord please, First, give oneself to me!

to read all of this site  -click-

I guess this website is entirely yours. There are useful things.

You're very interested in me. I really appreciate you for that.  :URWelcome:

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A confession,

When I see these gift on this website, I am smiling. And A strange sadness and happiness falls to my inside. And from my heart I say, " My dear ones! My dear dear brothers and sisters! I hope, god always make you happy. "

[WhiteWings]

The problem is,  I am so far away from God at this stage. I am sinning against him.

He knows. He will act on it.
But do you think you took Him by surprise?
Do you think Jesus forgiveness reached those who tortured Him to death, but you are out of reach of His forgiveness?

P.S   Why does he allow it? How does it allow me to get away from him?

I have have no real answer for that besides:
Rom 11:32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

What if I can not go back?
I know the story of a son who is returning, but,  I have a problem with the god's himself and god character. For this reason, I can not go back like that disappear son.

But do you have a choice? The Good Shepherd just goes and gets His sheep. He just grabs the sheep and takes it home. He doesn't start a philosophical discussion. He just does.

Also, God did not do anything special to turn him back. The son himself returned.

The son returned because his lifestyle devastated him. The son was forced.

And, I know a man who served years to Jesus. One day he got away from him. Never he came back again. God allowed it. There are many people in this situation. Some are dead.

They are more alive than ever. They are part of His flock now.
God is God of the living, not of the dead. His powers reach far beyond death. Jesus conquered death.

When I see these gift on this website, I am smiling. And A strange sadness and happiness falls to my inside. And from my heart I say, " My dear ones! My dear dear brothers and sisters! I hope, god always make you happy.

Sadness?

[whatistruth]

Thank you for your thoughts. The meaning everyone sees in one verse can be different. Thank you for answers.

When I see these gift on this website, I am smiling. And A strange sadness and happiness falls to my inside. And from my heart I say, " My dear ones! My dear dear brothers and sisters! I hope, god always make you happy.

Sadness?

In a whole sentence, did you just hang out to this word? Anyway, I do not have enough to tell you what I feel.

[whatistruth]

I was going to write a long answer with verses.  But I decided it was not necessary.

Everybody interprets what believes. Everyone accepts that already.

God is God of the living, not of the dead. His powers reach far beyond death. Jesus conquered death.

I think something else is happening here.

There are dead people and living people.  Jesus also talked about people who seemed to be dead when they breathed many times.

God is not the god of everybody if we follow this logic.

There are many death and life types in the bible.

But do you have a choice? The Good Shepherd just goes and gets His sheep. He just grabs the sheep and takes it home. He doesn't start a philosophical discussion. He just does.

Not everyone is a sheep. John 10:26  matthew 25:33 and much more verses.

Last Things,

You respect the views of non-universalist people.

I'm not against you. But In my mind I must say the verses which I can not reconcile. Otherwise it is not possible to exchange information.

Some people's objections are not a blind objection. Because of the existence of many opposite verses and situations.

I guess, I will not ask questions for a long time.

[WhiteWings]

God is God of the living, not of the dead. His powers reach far beyond death. Jesus conquered death.

I think something else is happening here.

There are dead people and living people.  Jesus also talked about people who seemed to be dead when they breathed many times.

God is not the god of everybody if we follow this logic.

There are many death and life types in the bible.

But do you have a choice? The Good Shepherd just goes and gets His sheep. He just grabs the sheep and takes it home. He doesn't start a philosophical discussion. He just does.

Not everyone is a sheep. John 10:26  Matthew 25:33 and much more verses.

John 10:16 I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.

About mat 25:33, the goat translations possibly is flawed because it can also be read as 'young sheep'

There the are again. Links, links and more links.  :Pray:
Reading is the only way to learn....

http://radical-reaction.com/MyChristianSites/ShepherdsVoice/matthew_25_46_5.htm

http://radical-reaction.com/MyChristianSites/ShepherdsVoice/index.html?page=sheep_and_goats.htm

http://radical-reaction.com/MyChristianSites/ShepherdsVoice/matthew%2025_31-46_3.htm

http://radical-reaction.com/MyChristianSites/ShepherdsVoice/matthew%2025_46_2.htm

http://radical-reaction.com/MyChristianSites/ShepherdsVoice/matthew%2025_46.htm

Olam --> http://radical-reaction.com/MyChristianSites/BitsAndPieces/hebraic_meaning.html

But In my mind I must say the verses which I can not reconcile. Otherwise it is not possible to exchange information.

And that's what we are doing. Or not?

Some people's objections are not a blind objection. Because of the existence of many opposite verses and situations.

I never said you have blind objections. There are no opposite verses because that would mean the Bible contradicts itself. But there is flawed understanding of verses that makes them seem to contradict.
I gave a lot to read. Perhaps you can pick out just one problematic point and discus that?

And understanding is what all are seeking here. Those with 1 post and those with 1 billion posts.

See you soon the next post.



I guess, I will not ask questions for a long time.

[whatistruth]

Not everyone is a sheep. John 10:26  Matthew 25:33 and much more verses.

John 10:16 I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.

About mat 25:33, the goat translations possibly is flawed because it can also be read as 'young sheep'

There the are again. Links, links and more links.  :Pray:
Reading is the only way to learn....

http://radical-reaction.com/MyChristianSites/ShepherdsVoice/matthew_25_46_5.htm

http://radical-reaction.com/MyChristianSites/ShepherdsVoice/index.html?page=sheep_and_goats.htm

http://radical-reaction.com/MyChristianSites/ShepherdsVoice/matthew%2025_31-46_3.htm

http://radical-reaction.com/MyChristianSites/ShepherdsVoice/matthew%2025_46_2.htm

http://radical-reaction.com/MyChristianSites/ShepherdsVoice/matthew%2025_46.htm

Olam --> http://radical-reaction.com/MyChristianSites/BitsAndPieces/hebraic_meaning.html

Gentiles.
He says again, sheep.  (Also, I had read these verses too.I need to read opposite verses too for understand thoroughly.)

The problem not here, 'He calls them goats',  Even, He can call them as something else.

And there are many verses that are incompatible with 'everyone'. As I said, I did not write. Because this sheep issue is really obstructive.At least for me.

Thanks for the links.I am definitely reading.

And that's what we are doing. Or not?

I did not say it for you.  [You (I mean, everyone.)]
I speak in general.   I even thank you all the time. Again, Thank you everyone for everything here.

I never said you have blind objections. There are no opposite verses because that would mean the Bible contradicts itself. But there is flawed understanding of verses that makes them seem to contradict.

Again, I shared my general opinion.

See you soon the next post.

I hope so.