Revelation 14:11

[marie glen]

Works for me as long as a few points are clarified first.

Greetings MHz! :hiya: (Of course here at tentmaker forum the belief is no one can live to the ages, unless/until they believe - Repent, are Reconciled and Renewed.. what I consider the 3 r's :laughing7:

Such as hell was a location that had to be in place for both bruises of Ge:3:15 to be completed. Since angels are immortal beings they are put in their part of hell while being chained up.

I've never perceived it like that when reading.. but as they left their first position and state, they became then imperfect, and being thus, they cannot now reverse their course and make theirself perfect, thus they are locked into darkness - "in chains of darkness" the chains being metaphor but the darkness most literal..

Genesis 3:15 - the adversary will bruise Messiah's heel (the crucifixion) but Messiah will bruise the adversary's head (defeat him, deal him the head blow)

All fallen angels that ever fell are in that Pit since the time of the flood.

I've heard this before but have never come across it in the scripture.. :Chinscratch: ..but left their first place/estate/position and are now locked into darkness..

2 Peter 2:4 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

4 For if God messengers who sinned did not spare, but with chains of thick gloom, having cast [them] down to Tartarus did deliver [them] (to the deepest abyss of the greek mythical hades, metaphor for deepest/darkest darkness, a state/condition of being?) to judgment having been reserved,

When Enoch mentioned this it was a prophecy, when Moses mentioned it it was a past event.

Jude:1:14:
And Enoch also,
the seventh from Adam,
prophesied of these,

..which Jude was referring to people who were infiltrating the faith.. seemingly inspired by these raging winds like foam tossed of the seas..

saying,
Behold,
the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

Amen the resurrection of all dead/asleep in Jesus believers and believers alive at His return, rise and meet Him at His return as He proceeds to Mt of Olives..
:dsunny:

De:33:2:
And he said,
The LORD came from Sinai,
and rose up from Seir unto them;
he shined forth from mount Paran,
and he came with ten thousands of saints:
from his right hand went a fiery law for them.

"Our God is a consuming fire"

One of these fallen angels is released when the 5th trump sounds

..from the bottomless pit/abyss of potential evil that can reside in the wayward creature, be they angel or man? "Out of the smoke" of Joel's dry and smoky day comes? (something not good :eek: :eek: ) - "Jesus said, `do not weep for me, but for children's' children, for if they do this (crucify Him) in a green leaf, what will they do in the dry leaf?" (cr, Rev 12:16?)

when the 5th trump sounds and 42 months later it is sent to the fiery lake because it had already been in the Pit. Satan is the last fallen angel to be put into the Pit and the men that die on that same day can see him on the other side of a locked gate. A gate that is only unlocked at the GWT event which is after the last fallen angel has been sent there.

Revelation 20:1-3
20 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; 3 and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.


Revelation 20:7
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, (for a little while)

then,
Revelation 20:10-12 (a little later)
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

[note - "forever" in the scriptures - the Literal is "aion"-"an age, a cycle of time". And forever and ever is "aion to aion" - an age, a cycle of time to an age, a cycle of time]

The Great White Throne Judgment
11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened.


I believe the 3.5's are a telescoping like prophecy telescopes.. sort of, anyway.. with the first one of Revelation - the 1,260 of Rev 12:6 "and the woman" (the faith) "flees" (after 70 A.D.) "..to a place prepared, where she is nourished 1,260 days.." I believe is years.

Then the 3.5 of Rev 12:14, the woman/the faith flees after persecution (inquisition?) via the wings of an eagle to fly (sail?) to another place where she is kept safe from the face of the dragon (and serpent guise, next verse) for "a time, times and half a time - 3.5 - here, I believe it is 3.5 centuries..

The 1,260 days the the two witnesses prophecy (Rev chapter 11) being literal days, 3.5 years; and the 3.5 days in which their bodies lie dead in the sight of the nations, being literal days..

A progression in the 3.5's use.. from 1,260 years (after 1st major migration of the faith in history) to 350 years (after a 2nd for the most part migration of the faith/believers, Rev 12, being an insert and total history of the faith on earth) to 3.5 years of the two witnesses prophesying to the 3.5 days in which they lie dead in the street..

The men that are alive for the 1,000 year reign are perfected so they are not harmed by the same fire that melts the earth.

At this point, isn't it the owrks of man upon Earth which are burned up?.. And the Earth itself being consumed in that day (the ReaL Tabernacles) after the GWT judgment 'day', whan "ALL things are made new" and "God Himself will Tabernacle with mankind upon a new Earth" within a universe also made new... "Behold I make ALL things new" - "All things in heaven and earth having been gathered into Jesus" Col 1:20 and Eph 1:10.

Zec:13:8:
And it shall come to pass,
that in all the land,
saith the LORD,
two parts therein shall be cut off and die;
but the third shall be left therein.
Zec:13:9:
And I will bring the third part through the fire,
and will refine them as silver is refined,
and will try them as gold is tried:
they shall call on my name,
and I will hear them:
I will say,
It is my people:
and they shall say,
The LORD is my God.

Re:19:21:
And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse,
which sword proceeded out of his mouth:
and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

Isa:65:12-17:
Therefore will I number you to the sword,
and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter:
because when I called,
ye did not answer;
when I spake,
ye did not hear;
but did evil before mine eyes,
and did choose that wherein I delighted not.
Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD,
Behold,
my servants shall eat,
but ye shall be hungry:
behold,
my servants shall drink,
but ye shall be thirsty:
behold,
my servants shall rejoice,
but ye shall be ashamed:
Behold, my servants shall sing for joy of heart,
but ye shall cry for sorrow of heart,
and shall howl for vexation of spirit.
And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen:
for the Lord GOD shall slay thee,
and call his servants by another name:
That he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth;
and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth;
because the former troubles are forgotten,
and because they are hid from mine eyes.
For,
behold,
I create new heavens and a new earth:
and the former shall not be remembered,
nor come into mind.

Heb:12:3-13:
For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself,
lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.
Ye have not yet resisted unto blood,
striving against sin.
And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children,
My son,
despise not thou the chastening of the Lord,
nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth,
and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
If ye endure chastening,
God dealeth with you as with sons;
for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
But if ye be without chastisement,
whereof all are partakers,
then are ye bastards,
and not sons.
Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us,
and we gave them reverence:
shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits,
and live?
For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure;
but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous,
but grievous:
nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down,
and the feeble knees;
And make straight paths for your feet,
lest that which is lame be turned out of the way;
but let it rather be healed.

I totally agree there will be a 'day' when for some there shall be weeping, gnashing of teeth and torment.. for instance, one who tortured children, surely will experience torment!! And rightly so! But there is no "for ever" but is aion, eon, age...
:gsmile: God bless!!

[MHz]

Hi, how does this sit with UR?
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth vp for euer and euer. And they haue no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoeuer receyueth the marke of his name.

The message is to the ones that take the mark of the Beast (a permit to be a Merchant in the 3 1/2 years that follow the 5th trump sounding) and during the 4 days the two witnesses Satan and Co can set up some tents like Moses dis and then erect a false throne. The false throne is the 'image' that is introduced in Re:13 and it is to be worshiped like the Beast from the Pit, aka fallen angel who had a kingdom before the flood. Both have to be done before the punishment can be applied. Consumers do not sell thing, they only buy and they would not be invited to Satan's Babylon for ant reason.
The words are for any gentile in the area known as Judea in the Bible rather than they are from that Tribe and are there.

The ones listed as being there is the same group that 'donates' the 7,000 men that God kills in an earthquake just after they all see the two dead witnesses get raised up to rain cloud height. The ones that see both of those events are the ones that 'give glory to God' and they have to runaway very fast or they will die because they are a sinner rather than a repented person.

Re:13:14:
And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast;
saying to them that dwell on the earth,
that they should make an image to the beast,
which had the wound by a sword,
and did live.
Re:13:15:
And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast,
that the image of the beast should both speak,
and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

M't:24:11-20:
And many false prophets shall rise,
and shall deceive many.
And because iniquity shall abound,
the love of many shall wax cold.
But he that shall endure unto the end,
the same shall be saved.
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations;
and then shall the end come.
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation,
spoken of by Daniel the prophet,
stand in the holy place,
(whoso readeth, let him understand:)
Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
And woe unto them that are with child,
and to them that give suck in those days!
But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter,
neither on the sabbath day:

Da:11:31:
And arms shall stand on his part,
and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength,
and shall take away the daily sacrifice,
and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.


2Th:2:3:
Let no man deceive you by any means:
for that day shall not come,
except there come a falling away first,
and that man of sin be revealed,
the son of perdition;
2Th:2:4:
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God,
or that is worshipped;
so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God,
shewing himself that he is God.