2 Thess 1:8

[Seth]

I don't think those thoughts come from demon possession. I think they ar the result of us being human and wanting to please ourselves.

[sheila]

Satan is judged for the 'wicked works' he did in the body of man. sin entered through one man....sin is a demon crouched at the door,

  he desire to rule over you..but you must rule over him.  they can drive men insane/animals too!  we will be seeing a lot more people

  "loosing it"  many are on the edge now,hanging on by a thread.

[Seth]

I don't believe that sin is a literal demon. I believe that sin is abstract and demons are literal beings.

[sheila]

mankind is so used to being captive to sin..it seems 'normal".  what GREAT FREEDOM and LIBERTY will be ours when they are gone

  the law was written to them[lawless ones] to restrain their evil works in men...and educate men to discern their negative imput.

[Seth]

I'm sorry, Sheila, I just can't agree that demon possession is the cause of sin. We may just need to agree to disagree on that.

[darryl]

"Why do we not believe he took all sin away at the cross?"

Why did God kill Ananias and Sapphira for lying to the Holy Spirit? If Jesus took all their sin away at the cross, shouldn't Peter have said, "you lied, but Jesus took away all your sin, so have a good day." Why should God send strong delusion to anyone? Why should Jerusalem have been judged in 70 AD when Christ already dealt with their sin by that time?

Obviously, there is something about what he did on the cross that still allows him to judge mankind literally, not just in types and shadows. I believe it has to do with the fact that the cross is realized in the earth as the death of the flesh. That we must all die on the cross through repentance, amd God's judgments pave the way for repentance.

Well, Jesus IS the Savior of the world...Jesus brought even the worst of the Christ deniers, ' But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who shall secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.' 2 Peter 2:1. through His sacrifice, Jesus has dealt with the sins of these wicked heretics, but note they will still suffer 'swift destruction', as judgement ?..or as a consequence of their rebellion...either way, Peter tells us that even these wicked heretical sinners were brought and paid for by Jesus work on the cross !.Praise God!..nobody is 'too far gone' that they cannot be redeemed with Jesus blood. :dsunny: :banana:

[Seth]

Of course. I hope my words were clear that I am not saying Jesus is NOT the savior of the world. Why would I be here if I thought that, right?  :laughing7: But that, because Christ died on the cross for them doesn't mean there is not judgment for those who trample the Son of God underfoot. And if there is judgment in this life, it doesn't deny the cross to believe there is judgment in the next.

[eaglesway]

   why do we not believe that He took all the sins away at the cross....why do we put the stripes He bore...and the cross and

put them back on men?TRUST/FAITH......why do we put men in the LOF with His judgement of satan and his angels[demons]

"we" dont put anyone anywhere. I believe Jesus took the sins of the whole world on Him at the cross. So.

Why do we see anything other than immediate universal reconciliation? Why is there any waiting at all?

But if we hope for what we do not see, with perseverance we wait eagerly for it. (Ro 8)

The Lord is not slow to fulfill His promise as some understand slowness, but is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. (2 Pet 3)

Everyone will come to repentance. Every knee shall bow. Every adversary will be subjected. Every repentant heart reconciled. An administration suitable to the fulness of times- the gathering of all into one in Christ.

The devil and the demons could possibly be the only ones cast into the lak of fire if Rev 20 was all there was in the scriptures concerning it but what about Matthew 25:41 and Rev 14:10? What of the saying "Blessed and holy are those who partake in the first resurrection, over them the second death has no power?"

These scriptures do not speak to angels and demons. They speak to men and women. Overcomers. Hypocrites. Those who receive the mark. Those who do not, etc.

Post mortem, post GWT, Pre All-in all, imo.

But again, this is not literal fire. It is the light driving out the darkness, the fire purging out impurity, the revelation of Christ crucified driving out selfishness and arrogance, until the knee bows and the heart is washed.

[Dandelion]

THE PRODIGAL SON

The prodigal son repented. He humbled himself and returned as a servant on bended knee. The self-righteous son FAILED TO ACCEPT THE FATHER'S decision- but the Father recieved the son back because he had been "dead"(in rebellion and selfishness) but was now "alive"(in the humility of repentence).

There is no reconciliation without repentence.

The method of that humility may be disputable. The fact of it is not.

"Men and brethren what must we do?" Let everyone of you repent....."

Repenting is not coming under law, it is coming into the love of the Lord Jesus. Coming into one's right mind- as the prodigal did, and returning home, to serve, to wash one another's feet, to live in a community within the love of God.

The crystal sea before the throne is peace(reconciliation) the canopy over it is love(union and communion) the Door to the sheepfold is the cross(death to self) and the resurrection comes through the burial of the old man, so we must throw a couple shovels full of dirt on ourselves- "If anyone will be my disciple".....

I think the judgment to come will be more like birthpangs that stripes of a whip. Even as we presently hav these birthpangs as His image is formed in us, so will the adversaries of Christ in the ages to come- because it is all about transformation, not arbitrary punishment or leveling acounts.

Transformation can be painful and of varying duration according to the characteristics of individuals.

IMO that is what we ought to teach about judgment in the age to come(because that is what I see in the scriptures).

Not that it doesnt exist- but that whatever it is, it transforms.

Transformation.....a key word.       :iagree:

D.

[sheila]

the real vessels of wrath fitted for destruction is satan and his evil spirits....the vessels fitted for mercy are mankind...my people

  are sheep being led to the slaughter.  God chose the 'weak'/flesh is weak and foolish[man easily fooled]..in order to put the

  'wise/serpent' to shame. He delivers us from our enemy that is stronger than us....by my spirit.

   thus He 'fit's' man for mercy.....

    all men expierence the 'first' resurrection...as what was sown in weakness is raised up in power...and the 'secound' resurrection

  is for the evil spirits only..as they come forth from the abyss to cover the earth[man's vessel of clay...again...this is also shown in

  parabolic form of the beast that received the death blow and come up out of the earth...that spirit does not return unto God like man's.

  for it is resurrected up out of the sea/ under the earth/ out of the abyss onto the earth...where it goes forth in opposition to God.

[sheila]

 it is appointed unto all men to die once..then the resurrection.......now the certain men that slipped in unawares..that teaches as a false

  religious spirit makes judgement falsely unto man as two-fold the child of hell.  Father says 'I will not leave you entirely unpunished...."

     but with great mercy He restores man unto Himself. Prodigal's returning unto the Father always say....I am unworthy to be called your

  son/ and recieve it as a gift.   Just as all men have bore the image of the corrupt[serpent in our flesh] so,too shall all men bear the image

  of the incorrupt. man does not bear the image of the corrupt more than once...that the corrupt image die once is enough/for this

reason in the new heaven and earth..there is no image of the corrupt/no harm on all His Holy mountain.

[Seth]

This sounds similar to the Serpent Seed doctrine, which I don't believe in. Again, the NT is very clear that people themselves are judged for what they do, without reference to demon possession. If Seth goes out an murders innocent people, Seth will be judged for it. If Seth tramples the Son of God underfoot, Seth will be judged for it.

When you quoted Hebrews, you said, "it is appointed once for man to die, and after this resurrection."

It actually says, "it is appointed once for man to die, and after this, judgment." Judgment for some would be the second death, which will humble and cause repentance. That's why it says that Jesus will appear a second time unto salvation "for those who await him."

[darryl]

This sounds similar to the Serpent Seed doctrine, which I don't believe in. Again, the NT is very clear that people themselves are judged for what they do, without reference to demon possession. If Seth goes out an murders innocent people, Seth will be judged for it. If Seth tramples the Son of God underfoot, Seth will be judged for it.

When you quoted Hebrews, you said, "it is appointed once for man to die, and after this resurrection."

It actually says, "it is appointed once for man to die, and after this, judgment." Judgment for some would be the second death, which will humble and cause repentance. That's why it says that Jesus will appear a second time unto salvation "for those who await him."

yes, I like this..good point !. 'so the Christ also, having been once offered in sacrifice in order that He might bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, separated from sin, to those who are eagerly expecting Him, to make their salvation complete'.Hebrews 9 :28. in the next age, Jesus will appear to those formerly without but who are now eagerly expecting Him in order to complete their salvation...utterly marvelous. Praise God !. :banana: :dsunny: :banana: :dsunny:

[sheila]

no....never heard of serpent seed doctrine......I am making a seperate post on the Secound coming it's lengthy

[micah7:9]

I don't think those thoughts come from demon possession. I think they ar the result of us being human and wanting to please ourselves.

:thumbsup:

[marie glen]

2 Thessalonians 1:8, Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

8 in flaming fire, giving vengeance to those not knowing God, and to those not obeying the good news of our Lord Jesus Christ;

This we know (?) is His return... it is end of this age, and just prior to His millennium, yes? It is not end of judgment day when those not believing will be sent into the lake of fire, the second dying.. (right?) As judgment 'day' follows not only His return, but His 1000 year millennium reign..

[ ET doctrine, it seems to me, doesn't discern the difference, but seem (imo) to believe ppl are sent into the lake of fire, the 2nd dying, at His return when He ushers in His millennial rule (or at their death).]

...with His angels and in flaming fire..

Obadiah 15, New International Version (NIV)

15 "The day of the Lord is near
    for all nations.
As you have done, it will be done to you;
    your deeds will return upon your own head.

...the "wages" of sin... without Him we are destroyed.. individual and collective.. It may hurt as it is occurring.. but it has a far surpassing weight of glory, in that it is a foundation lesson aLL must learn.. otherwise, there can be no paradise/kingdom/perfection.. ( ? :dontknow: )

[Shev]

This sounds similar to the Serpent Seed doctrine, which I don't believe in. Again, the NT is very clear that people themselves are judged for what they do, without reference to demon possession. If Seth goes out an murders innocent people, Seth will be judged for it. If Seth tramples the Son of God underfoot, Seth will be judged for it.

When you quoted Hebrews, you said, "it is appointed once for man to die, and after this resurrection."

It actually says, "it is appointed once for man to die, and after this, judgment." Judgment for some would be the second death, which will humble and cause repentance. That's why it says that Jesus will appear a second time unto salvation "for those who await him."

One thing I have never understood about the Serpent Seed doctrine (sorry to get off topic): How did Cain's descendants survive the flood? It makes even less sense when put in that light.

[marie glen]

Amen!! :thumbsup:

[rosered]

 

Amen , Looked it up     the  silly  serpent seed doctrine   is not  biblically sound   , many flaws  :sigh:

I believe it is from eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil .....  that  good & evil comes forth .
    God told Adam in the DAY   you eat you shall surly die ,,, To  be  carnally minded is death  ,  carnal is animal like  and a sure
   mark of the beast is   carnal mind /disobedience   to the Father  and   slaves to sin  ,  and the  absolute  need to have the mind of Christ   obedience to the Father .

  Pretty cut and dry   , really  , Nature teaches us  about all the different animal   like  behaviors    ,   a lamb is a good nature   easy to tame  , weak and needy and   easy prey  and goat cannot be tamed   to stubborn   and hard headed  and are hard to  keep in  a fenced in area . kind of on the wild side

     Strong's G4559 - sarkikos
σαρκικός
Transliteration
sarkikos
Pronunciation
sär-kē-ko's (Key)

Part of Speech
adjective
Root Word (Etymology)
From σάρξ (G4561)
TDNT Reference
7:98,1000
Vines
View Entry
Outline of Biblical Usage
fleshly, carnal

having the nature of flesh, i.e. under the control of the animal appetites

governed by mere human nature not by the Spirit of God

having its seat in the animal nature or aroused by the animal nature

human: with the included idea of depravity

pertaining to the flesh

to the body: related to birth, linage, etc

[anti_nietzsche]

Maybe as Universal Reconciliation people we should look forward more to Apokatastasis, the bringing back of all things, instead of to a terrible Day of the Lord. The bible writers are divided about it, some say don't look for a Day of the Lord because it would mean trouble for all people, at other places they actually say we should hasten Christ's coming.

I have read that the real Day of the Lord happened on Good Friday when Christ was crucified. And the real refinement is, God took the suffering of the Day of the Lord on himself, and forgave everyone on the cross. That's the power of God, turning something that was death and pain for HIM into a blessing for other people, because Christ saw his crucifixion as a love sacrifice for mankind. In the law in the regulation of sacrifices, there were no love sacrifices. There were lot's of different kinds, but not such. It was a duty to perform sacrifices, not a giving of God. But in Christ God gives Himself to us and ends the rule of the law of sin and death.

[rosered]

  Hi Daniel A-N ..
THE DAY of the Lord is the     beginning of true spiritual wisdom  from   the Spirit of truth  by prophecy  above  in my own opinion   .

  The DAY OF THE LORD is darkness and not light   but   many clouds /witnesses ..
In Abraham's day he saw it and was glad  .

  John 8 Berean Study Bible
Your father Abraham was overjoyed to see My day. He saw it and was glad.

"Hebrews 11:13
All these people died in faith, without having received the things they were promised. However, they saw them and welcomed them from afar. And they acknowledged that they were strangers and exiles on the earth.

  What Did Abraham  did  see  in the DAY   is that the Lord dealt with him on a personal level .

fear come upon abram      Gen 15 12 God Confirms His Promise
...11The birds of prey came down upon the carcasses, and Abram drove them away.

12Now when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and behold, terror and great darkness fell upon him. 13God said to Abram, "Know for certain that your descendants will be strangers in a land that is not theirs, where they will be enslaved and oppressed four hundred years....

The promises of God   is the Spirit of prophecy  and the foretelling  it  shall come  by faith believing it will come to pass


The Day of the Lord
...13"Moreover, their wealth will become plunder And their houses desolate; Yes, they will build houses but not inhabit them, And plant vineyards but not drink their wine." 14Near is the great day of the LORD, Near and coming very quickly; Listen, the day of the LORD!

In it the warrior cries out bitterly. 15A day of wrath is that day, A day of trouble and distress, A day of destruction and desolation, A day of darkness and gloom, A day of clouds and thick darkness,...
New American Standard Bible

Revelation 6:17
For the great day of Their wrath has come, and who is able to withstand it?"

Isaiah 8:22
Then they will look to the earth, and behold, distress and darkness, the gloom of anguish; and they will be driven away into darkness.

Jeremiah 30:7
'Alas! for that day is great, There is none like it; And it is the time of Jacob's distress, But he will be saved from it.

Ezekiel 7:7
'Your doom has come to you, O inhabitant of the land. The time has come, the day is near-- tumult rather than joyful shouting on the mountains.

Ezekiel 7:12
'The time has come, the day has arrived. Let not the buyer rejoice nor the seller mourn; for wrath is against all their multitude.

Ezekiel 7:16
'Even when their survivors escape, they will be on the mountains like doves of the valleys, all of them mourning, each over his own iniquity.

Ezekiel 12:23
"Therefore say to them, 'Thus says the Lord GOD, "I will make this proverb cease so that they will no longer use it as a proverb in Israel." But tell them, "The days draw near as well as the fulfillment of every vision.

Ezekiel 30:3
"For the day is near, Even the day of the LORD is near; It will be a day of clouds, A time of doom for the nations.

Joel 1:15
Alas for the day! For the day of the LORD is near, And it will come as destruction from the Almighty.

Joel 2:1
Blow a trumpet in Zion, And sound an alarm on My holy mountain! Let all the inhabitants of the land tremble, For the day of the LORD is coming; Surely it is near,
Treasury of Scripture
The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hastens greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.

great.

Zephaniah 1:7 Hold your peace at the presence of the Lord GOD: for the day of the ...
Jeremiah 30:7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even ...
Ezekiel 30:3 For the day is near, even the day of the LORD is near, a cloudy day; ...
Joel 2:1,11,31 Blow you the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: ...
Malachi 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the ...
Acts 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before ...
Revelation 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
it is.

Ezekiel 7:6,7,12 An end is come, the end is come: it watches for you; behold, it is come...
Ezekiel 12:23 Tell them therefore, Thus said the Lord GOD; I will make this proverb ...
Amos 8:2 And he said, Amos, what see you? And I said, A basket of summer fruit. ...
Philippians 4:5 Let your moderation be known to all men. The Lord is at hand.
James 5:9 Grudge not one against another, brothers, lest you be condemned: ...
2 Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise ...
even.

Zephaniah 1:10 And it shall come to pass in that day, said the LORD, that there ...
Isaiah 22:4,5 Therefore said I, Look away from me; I will weep bitterly, labor ...
Isaiah 66:6 A voice of noise from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice ...
Jeremiah 25:36 A voice of the cry of the shepherds, and an howling of the principal ...
Joel 2:11 And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp ...
Joel 3:16 The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; ...
1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with ...
Hebrews 12:26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he has promised, saying, ...
the mighty.

Isaiah 15:4 And Heshbon shall cry, and Elealeh: their voice shall be heard even ...
Isaiah 33:7 Behold, their valiant ones shall cry without: the ambassadors of ...
Jeremiah 48:41 Kerioth is taken, and the strong holds are surprised...
Revelation 6:15-17 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, ...

  I  personally  think it is   not all finished yet        for me , every generation   gets  more Light and knowledge of     THIS DAY  , BY THE TESTIMONY  OF JESUS CHRIST BEING THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY  and are being revealed  in many witnesses    with His testimony by this same faith given by  the FATHER   HIMSELF  , AS EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD     and many things are YET to be fulfilled   and yet are done and  are  in this day   to know and understand By the SPIRIT OF TRUTH AND WORD OF TRUTH    BOTH WITNESSES      found poured out in  our flesh  and taken root

  Growing in Spirit and  truth   by Gods grace ,  allowing us to Know by the LIGHT    and not leave us in the darkness   /ignorance  of what He is doing ..

[darryl]

"Why do we not believe he took all sin away at the cross?"

Why did God kill Ananias and Sapphira for lying to the Holy Spirit? If Jesus took all their sin away at the cross, shouldn't Peter have said, "you lied, but Jesus took away all your sin, so have a good day." Why should God send strong delusion to anyone? Why should Jerusalem have been judged in 70 AD when Christ already dealt with their sin by that time?

Obviously, there is something about what he did on the cross that still allows him to judge mankind literally, not just in types and shadows. I believe it has to do with the fact that the cross is realized in the earth as the death of the flesh. That we must all die on the cross through repentance, amd God's judgments pave the way for repentance.

..I'm trying to find a richer deeper experience of God, not one based on fear and terror of Him but one based on His deep and abiding love for His creation...if He truly loves ALL people we should love them too...if He will forgive ALL people we should forgive them too...if He accepted ALL people when He was here, in the form of a man, on earth we should accept ALL too and not look down on ANYBODY...its all about LOVE

[eaglesway]

A relationship with God is based on who he really is. He is Love, but love is not always benign. Discipline is also love, and a father who does not discipline his son does not love Him. Love protects the innocent from predators, even when it loves the predator. All these questions are quite complex. Simple answers are what most people like but they are often not really answers, they are suppositions and presumptions based in our own idea of what God is and Who, but then... Who has known the mind of the Lord and who has been His counselor?

While the believer has no need for terror in the presence of the Lord, the wicked sometimes do, Just as for a time the Law was given as a restraint and a tutor for children(in understanding), the fear of the Lord is still in effect(imo), and serves a purpose, albeit temporary in nature.

"When that which is perfect is come that which is imperfect will be done away"

[rosered]

I totally Agree with you Eagleway/ John ,

Good to see you posting bro , hope all is well with you .

Seeing  this older post is a blessing  , Thanks Darryl    :thumbsup: ,


I believe the evil come through the   eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil   and its seeds [evil being present  as a  constant    reminder of sin that leads to death ] and not to eat of this tree  ever again once the   tree of Life is come  but being completed in Christ [taste not , handle not touch not ]   shrinking  back from grace and  to that old law  of both natures  warring  against each other .

Not the serpent  , he was only the tempter and   confuser and accuser before God night and day   and allowed to teach us   that Sin is not  ever a good thing and always results in death as a end .

  this is the mind of the beast  , carnal  in nature   that always results in death  thinking ]leading to the broad path that
brings  with it  destruction [corruption ]  and experiencing  death results   to me , Showing no mercy and receiving no mercy as the process  of reaping what you have sown = evil seeds that good might come  ,  Paul said, No way !

The mind of Christ is the  narrow path way of escape , that leads to Life  ,   that God made  and escape for  sin and error and missing the mark  of the higher calling to  rise up  out of death  and be with Him whom is the Life now and  always .

  Learning  this knowledge and  given  understanding  of God does  raise a lot of complex questions .

A relationship with God is based on who he really is. He is Love, but love is not always benign. Discipline is also love, and a father who does not discipline his son does not love Him. Love protects the innocent from predators, even when it loves the predator. All these questions are quite complex. Simple answers are what most people like but they are often not really answers, they are suppositions and presumptions based in our own idea of what God is and Who, but then... Who has known the mind of the Lord and who has been His counselor?

While the believer has no need for terror in the presence of the Lord, the wicked sometimes do, Just as for a time the Law was given as a restraint and a tutor for children(in understanding), the fear of the Lord is still in effect(imo), and serves a purpose, albeit temporary in nature.

"When that which is perfect is come that which is imperfect will be done away"

Trying to read the bible carnally , which is  a natural condition  that we all  posses  first , till   we are born again of the Holy Spirit , evokes a fear  of God we do not understand  yet ,darkness cannot comprehend the Light  ,  the Light has come  as being born again  of the tree of Life [Word of Life ] as   being babes  in Christ  our protector for sure .

Darkness and death is still reigning   within   , Till the law  comes ,[tree of knowledge of good and evil ],  Paul explains this condition   in Romans 7 well..and very helpful  in understanding  the process and  though experiences  . 


  He was alive without the law once   and when the law of sin came and   he died  , knowing that  the sin nature  results in death .
  But His new mind [ mind of Christ ] was  spiritual in nature and  desired to please   God .

  Yet he went on to  explain  he was   still undergoing  a body of death where sin was still   residing  in him.

and waiting on deliverance  of the Lord Jesus Christ   completely [perfectly ] in Romans 8 .


Being disciplined  in our new nature , has the desire   NOT TO SIN  against   GOD by His Word cleansing our conscience   and  also comforted by the Holy Spirit  our new teacher   .

Our minds are changing , true repentance and begin  experiencing the things of  knowing  God  ,that were hidden from out natural eyes .

   This important relationship   in  the Lord Jesus Christ,  begins to experience the power of God's Love  in your  own life as we begin trusting in  Him  more effectively  as He supplies the every need .
We begin to call upon the name of the Lord for  help and a away of escape  in the cruel world that does not know God  or His loving saving grace .

  I am convinced   Jesus told us ,   this is making the tree good  and it fruit good [ good seeds   from that tree ] a tree is known by its fruit , sowing the good seeds ,  doing good and making the tree good so   the perfecting in Christ  continues ,

Just as  Paul spoke of  sowing the good seed and Apollos watered  having those good seeds [Word of God  incorruptible ]  growing   in truth and grace in him also .and anyone  whom was  hearing  this WORD  would  faith come by eating the good fruit of your doings by the grace of God  examples .

   


 

[marie glen]

Quote Rosered:

Trying to read the bible carnally , which is  a natural condition  that we all  posses  first , till   we are born again of the Holy Spirit , evokes a fear  of God we do not understand..

:doh: That's what that was! I never realized or thought of that before! But so true! Very logical!

And other good and interesting posts in this thread.

Lately, i've been getting what seems to be to be some confirmations on ideas concerning the Word.. I have been praying about things I believe i've learned here alone with God's Word and what I've always hoped is His Spirit.. I can be pretty convinced of things once I think i've an answer or perception.

Today it was at the very end of a documentary I was watching with my husband. Now usually I don't watch a lot of tv, but in the room with my husband doing something and maybe half watching at times. Well this show I was engrossed in, and what should be the very last line of the show? "Nature follows its course." I noticed it and present was that feeling of communication.. I'm sure everyone knows that feeling.. but one of the things I repeat - a lot, is how God is, and has to, let things (imperfection/wandering) run their course. Why? To prove the truth. To all. On earth and in heaven.

It will one day seem like but a moment this letting the broad way to run its course.. this building on sand rather than the Rock.. to run its full course. Our / the world's foolishness will seem like but a moment compared to His glorious eternal Kingdom of peace, joy and beauty. But the lesson will not be forgotten.. in the mystery of metaphor, the smoke of it shall rise up forever and ever (ages to ages). The smoke of man or angel empire crashing shall never be forgotten that none can ever be God (ruler, higher/highest power) but God Almighty (who is Life).

We are not yet fuLLy perfected (fuLLy reconciled?) "until His return" and those not yet saved before their death, at the making of ALL things new when Jesus hands the Kingdom over to the Father.. and the Father says behold the tabernacle of God shall be with msnkind and God Himself will now tabernacle with msnkind on Earth made new.. ina universe made new!  I have to wonder just HOW glorious it shall all be!

Well, I'm not sure what I've even been writing.. why am I on this tiny phone screen, punching all the wrong tiny letters? :laughing7: sorry this 'grannie' better go to ed! bed!