Hello and good day to everyone!

[MinakoChan]

Hello everyone!  I've been lurking around for awhile now. I really enjoy the articles and discussions here. Part of what lead me here months ago, was because I felt sick to my stomach,  when a group of Hebrew Israelites said that nearly everyone was going to hell. These people also said we had to follow the Old Testament law strictly, or else God was going to be done with us. Unfortunately, this was all too much for my little brain to gasp. However, after reading the likes of this brilliant website, and people like Martin Zander, I've recovered! So, I want to say thank you to everyone here.  :3

[joeteekay]

Welcome aboard friend. Now you can experience the joy of what it really means when we read God is love and He will save everyone.  :banana:

[darryl]

Welcome aboard friend. Now you can experience the joy of what it really means when we read God is love and He will save everyone.  :banana:

Amen !..I feel on cloud 9 now compared compared to how I felt when I believed in 'eternal hell'..I LOVE other humans way more now I KNOW God really does love them and is going to save everybody in the end  !..I am a much nicer person now...hallelujah, praise Jesus !..thank you, Jesus !!!. :banana: :banana: :banana: :dsunny: :HeartThrob:

[darryl]

Hello everyone!  I've been lurking around for awhile now. I really enjoy the articles and discussions here. Part of what lead me here months ago, was because I felt sick to my stomach,  when a group of Hebrew Israelites said that nearly everyone was going to hell. These people also said we had to follow the Old Testament law strictly, or else God was going to be done with us. Unfortunately, this was all too much for my little brain to gasp. However, after reading the likes of this brilliant website, and people like Martin Zander, I've recovered! So, I want to say thank you to everyone here.  :3

Hi and welcome !  :dsunny:

[idontknow]

Hello everyone!  I've been lurking around for awhile now. I really enjoy the articles and discussions here. Part of what lead me here months ago, was because I felt sick to my stomach,  when a group of Hebrew Israelites said that nearly everyone was going to hell. These people also said we had to follow the Old Testament law strictly, or else God was going to be done with us. Unfortunately, this was all too much for my little brain to gasp. However, after reading the likes of this brilliant website, and people like Martin Zander, I've recovered! So, I want to say thank you to everyone here.  :3

Are you talking about the black ones on the street that are famous on youtube?

Anyways, welcome! This website saved my sanity many times from my fear of eternal hell. There are good people here and always seem to have a answer for all of my odd questions lol.

[Lazarus Short]

WELCOME!

[MinakoChan]

Hello everyone!  I've been lurking around for awhile now. I really enjoy the articles and discussions here. Part of what lead me here months ago, was because I felt sick to my stomach,  when a group of Hebrew Israelites said that nearly everyone was going to hell. These people also said we had to follow the Old Testament law strictly, or else God was going to be done with us. Unfortunately, this was all too much for my little brain to gasp. However, after reading the likes of this brilliant website, and people like Martin Zander, I've recovered! So, I want to say thank you to everyone here.  :3

Are you talking about the black ones on the street that are famous on youtube?

Anyways, welcome! This website saved my sanity many times from my fear of eternal hell. There are good people here and always seem to have a answer for all of my odd questions lol.

First I went to say, thank you for the kind welcomes! idontknow, those are the exact people!

[Searching_For_The_Truth]

Welcome to the Tent MinakoChan  :welcome: This website and forum has helped me see the Bible in a new light and also helped me understand more about the salvation of all mankind in due time. God Bless You

[Shev]

Welcome Minako!

[eaglesway]

yea, I hav heard them preaching on the streets of NYC. Such delusion and hate. Lord, have mercy.



Welcome Minaka!

[Jock]

Hello MinakoChan and welcome to TM.

You quoted: Hebrew Israelites said that nearly everyone was going to hell. These people also said we had to follow the Old Testament law strictly, or else God was going to be done with us.

Well, how does one keep the law of Moses? It's impossible for a fallen man/woman to achieve God's perfect standard. Only through Christ is this possible!
He has fulfilled the law in us! Those people you heard were woefully ignorant of the truth. As for hell, there is no such place. My one hope when I stand before God, is Jesus Christ.

God bless, glad to have you here.  :2c:

Jock.  :Peace2:

[CST]

Hebrew Israelites? That's a strange term they sound like a. Jews and b. the only sort of Israelites. Are there really Israelites that aren't to some degree Hebrew?

I'm guessing by the way people here are talking is that these people claim to be Christian and therefore, most probably, are neither Jewish, Hebrew or Israelite all of which I would expect a. to have a different idea about Eschatology and b. to be wrong.

Welcome, MinakoChan! I really wouldn't worry about what they have to say just worry about what the Bible says which assures us that they are wrong. It also assures us we're wrong on a lot of things but not this one, it's clear on this one.

[rosered]

     Welcome MinakoChan  !!

  Until we   can hear  Jesus Voice  ...     THE WATERS FROM ABOVE  the earth and not below  , the earthly sensual and devilish  voices of   the dragons flood of lies speaking against Gods   HOLY  SPIRIT OF LIFE  , we have not even begun to live the Life in Christ a new      :dsunny:

The earth,  flesh and blood bodies ,  our own mortality  ''helped the woman / True  Church''   BODY OF CHRIST /   truth and Life      and swallowed up this dragons flood  of filth and lies against God , It is His own fire and light  of jealousy and Love   that will dry up    the earth  and all the watery graves  mankind has been drowning in for centuries     :dsunny:

Voice of many waters come and drink of the waters of Life freely , out of the belly will flow the living waters 


  1Then I looked and saw the Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred forty-four thousand who had His name and His Father's name written on their foreheads.

2And I heard a sound from heaven like the roar of rushing waters and the loud rumbling of thunder. And the sound I heard was like harpists strumming their harps. 3And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. And no one could learn the song except the one hundred forty-four thousand who had been redeemed from the earth....


Ezekiel 43:2
and behold, the glory of the God of Israel was coming from the way of the east. And His voice was like the sound of many waters; and the earth shone with His glory.

1 Corinthians 13:1
If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a ringing gong or a clanging cymbal.

Revelation 1:15
His feet were like polished bronze refined in a furnace, and His voice was like the roar of many waters.


waters of Life  freely  New Heaven and a New Earth
...5And the One seated on the throne said, "Behold, I make all things new." Then He said, "Write this down, for these words are faithful and true." 6And He told me, "It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give freely from the spring of the water of life. 7The one who is victorious will inherit all things, and I will be his God, and he will be My son....


Isaiah 55:1
"Ho! Every one who thirsts, come to the waters; And you who have no money come, buy and eat. Come, buy wine and milk Without money and without cost.

John 4:10
Jesus answered, "If you knew the gift of God and who is asking you for a drink, you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water."



Revelation 1:8
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, who is and was and is to come--the Almighty.

Revelation 3:14
To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Originator of God's creation.

Revelation 7:17
For the Lamb in the center of the throne will be their shepherd. He will lead them to fountains of living water, and God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.'"

Revelation 10:6
And he swore by Him who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and everything in it, the earth and everything in it, and the sea and everything in it: "There will be no more delay!

Revelation 16:17
Then the seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and a loud voice came from the throne in the temple, saying, "It is done!"

Revelation 22:13
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End."

Revelation 22:17
The Spirit and the bride say, "Come!" Let the one who hears say, "Come!" And let the one who is thirsty come, and the one who desires the water of life drink freely.

the LIVING WORD IS LIVING WATERS /VOICE  whom is calling us   to be filled with Life after all the devils  lies have been burned out of us  by the fire of His loving Jealousy    , God is a consuming fire   and now be filled with  the truth and waters of Life  in    this new heaven and the new earth  made by His love and desire for all mankind to a part of   , now is the time  , our salvation is nearer than when we first believed in JESUS CHRIST  THE SAVIOR  OF ALL mankind especially those whom believe    right now!  ....
John 11
I am the resurrection and the Life  He who believes in Me will live, even though he dies.


26And everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?"...

[marie glen]

 :welcome: MinakoChan!! And God bless! ..I don't know how any believer functions believing such a thing! :faint: And how cold and unloving a God must they believe in! :mshock: (oh dear!)

:hiya: And welcome to "the tent" - we're so happy to have you here!!

[darryl]

yea, I hav heard them preaching on the streets of NYC. Such delusion and hate. Lord, have mercy.



Welcome Minaka!

check out Angela Cummings on YT..she travels the world preaching 'hell fire' on the streets..supported by fundy churches...watched her vids...never seen her make a single convert only cause public disturbances, anger, hurt and hostility..goodness knows how much damage people like her do to the cause of Christ, must turn many against it.

[MinakoChan]

Thanks for all of the new replies! I'm still combing through so I can respond properly. :3

[marie glen]

yea, I hav heard them preaching on the streets of NYC. Such delusion and hate. Lord, have mercy.



Welcome Minaka!

check out Angela Cummings on YT..she travels the world preaching 'hell fire' on the streets..supported by fundy churches...watched her vids...never seen her make a single convert only cause public disturbances, anger, hurt and hostility..goodness knows how much damage people like her do to the cause of Christ, must turn many against it.

Oh i just hate to see that sort of thing! People also post memes of a turn or burn nature also! Images of people burning alive.. faces melting.. Geesh! :mshock: :eek: I think that's the easy way to 'preach'! I mean what do you really have to know to shout that sort of stuff? But you can become real famous.. Please pardon my judgmental attitude! I can't help thinking the whole 'hell' thing blasphemes God's pure character every day!

[CST]

You're pardoned. You shouldn't really need to ask you're so obviously right.

[rosered]

yea, I hav heard them preaching on the streets of NYC. Such delusion and hate. Lord, have mercy.



Welcome Minaka!

check out Angela Cummings on YT..she travels the world preaching 'hell fire' on the streets..supported by fundy churches...watched her vids...never seen her make a single convert only cause public disturbances, anger, hurt and hostility..goodness knows how much damage people like her do to the cause of Christ, must turn many against it.

Oh i just hate to see that sort of thing! People also post memes of a turn or burn nature also! Images of people burning alive.. faces melting.. Geesh! :mshock: :eek: I think that's the easy way to 'preach'! I mean what do you really have to know to shout that sort of stuff? But you can become real famous.. Please pardon my judgmental attitude! I can't help thinking the whole 'hell' thing blasphemes God's pure character every day!

AMEN SIS MARIE , IT MOST CERTAINLY DOES !BLASPHEME THE HOLY NAME OF GOD  !!   :iagree:

  :HeartThrob:  Where is the LOVE in that ?

[MinakoChan]

     Welcome MinakoChan  !!

  Until we   can hear  Jesus Voice  ...     THE WATERS FROM ABOVE  the earth and not below  , the earthly sensual and devilish  voices of   the dragons flood of lies speaking against Gods   HOLY  SPIRIT OF LIFE  , we have not even begun to live the Life in Christ a new      :dsunny:

The earth,  flesh and blood bodies ,  our own mortality  "helped the woman / True  Church"   BODY OF CHRIST /   truth and Life      and swallowed up this dragons flood  of filth and lies against God , It is His own fire and light  of jealousy and Love   that will dry up    the earth  and all the watery graves  mankind has been drowning in for centuries     :dsunny:

Voice of many waters come and drink of the waters of Life freely , out of the belly will flow the living waters 


  1Then I looked and saw the Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred forty-four thousand who had His name and His Father's name written on their foreheads.

2And I heard a sound from heaven like the roar of rushing waters and the loud rumbling of thunder. And the sound I heard was like harpists strumming their harps. 3And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. And no one could learn the song except the one hundred forty-four thousand who had been redeemed from the earth....


Ezekiel 43:2
and behold, the glory of the God of Israel was coming from the way of the east. And His voice was like the sound of many waters; and the earth shone with His glory.

1 Corinthians 13:1
If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a ringing gong or a clanging cymbal.

Revelation 1:15
His feet were like polished bronze refined in a furnace, and His voice was like the roar of many waters.


waters of Life  freely  New Heaven and a New Earth
...5And the One seated on the throne said, "Behold, I make all things new." Then He said, "Write this down, for these words are faithful and true." 6And He told me, "It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give freely from the spring of the water of life. 7The one who is victorious will inherit all things, and I will be his God, and he will be My son....


Isaiah 55:1
"Ho! Every one who thirsts, come to the waters; And you who have no money come, buy and eat. Come, buy wine and milk Without money and without cost.

John 4:10
Jesus answered, "If you knew the gift of God and who is asking you for a drink, you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water."



Revelation 1:8
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, who is and was and is to come--the Almighty.

Revelation 3:14
To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Originator of God's creation.

Revelation 7:17
For the Lamb in the center of the throne will be their shepherd. He will lead them to fountains of living water, and God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.'"

Revelation 10:6
And he swore by Him who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and everything in it, the earth and everything in it, and the sea and everything in it: "There will be no more delay!

Revelation 16:17
Then the seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and a loud voice came from the throne in the temple, saying, "It is done!"

Revelation 22:13
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End."

Revelation 22:17
The Spirit and the bride say, "Come!" Let the one who hears say, "Come!" And let the one who is thirsty come, and the one who desires the water of life drink freely.

the LIVING WORD IS LIVING WATERS /VOICE  whom is calling us   to be filled with Life after all the devils  lies have been burned out of us  by the fire of His loving Jealousy    , God is a consuming fire   and now be filled with  the truth and waters of Life  in    this new heaven and the new earth  made by His love and desire for all mankind to a part of   , now is the time  , our salvation is nearer than when we first believed in JESUS CHRIST  THE SAVIOR  OF ALL mankind especially those whom believe    right now!  ....
John 11
I am the resurrection and the Life  He who believes in Me will live, even though he dies.


26And everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?"...

Yes! I absolutely believe that, it's such a beautiful message. It's a shame that a lot of people can't see the beauty in the Bible and instead get stuck behind a scary message without much hope.

[Ross]

Behold what kind of love the Father has given to us;  that we may be called the sons of God.

Irreversible; irrevocable; will not return to God void.

What an incredible position; thanks to Christ Who has brought this to reality.

Just as we are born at different times to our siblings in the flesh, we seem to be born at different times in the spirit because we are individual children of God- All part of one body with Christ as the head.
WOW!!
Jesus came to give us life- He was 100% successful.

[rosered]

Yes! I absolutely believe that, it's such a beautiful message. It's a shame that a lot of people can't see the beauty in the Bible and instead get stuck behind a scary message without much hope.

Amen ,   Minako  :HeartThrob:

I recall   an old friend/Loxoco  years ago  , sharing something with me   that stuck with me  and your post just reminded me of what he  said ,,,


Realizing  with more  clarity  than  all those years ago ,
He said ,  by nature    a beast will not go near a      fire , this is how some    ranchers keep  coyotes /wolves  away   from the cattle/sheep   ,Because  coyotes like to rob and kill at night they  fear the  Fire  and flames  and they run from the fire  back into the darkness  to hide .


Considering our carnal nature is   beastly  and animal like  , we fear the fire  instinctively ..

It is in our first nature   being earthly , and sensual and devilish   to live by this   type  of wisdom , as the whole world sits in darkness / ignorance to the ways of God
  But the true and divine nature   of being  born again  JESUS CHRIST IS THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD and true knowledge of God ,  intensively is drawn to the    to the fire and Light / flames of Gods LOVE , there is no harm in this  nature that comes  to those     whom are made  new creatures in Christ   ,   even the  name Christ means   to anoint   , to smear with Holy Oil  and keep the lamps burning brightly ...  "Christ" comes from the Greek word Christos, meaning "anointed one" or "chosen one."   We are gathered in to Christ Body  and protected by Him .. and is descriptive  of   fire & light   glowing  in the purest form  in  Revelations  and Daniel and the gospels

Our Father is seeking the  true worshippers now  , that will   be anointed with HOLY SPIRIT  AND FIRE   as He no longer gave salvation to the Jews only ,

but opened   up   heaven for all to enter though His one of a kind SON ,  the First of  many  to come  , they shall rise up out of their   graves ,  figuratively speaking ,being dead in sin and trespass   and given the faith to believe in the Son of God , just as Peter was given , flesh and blood did not reveal this but the FATHER  had  and consider their own bodies as good as dead already in the same steps as Abraham long ago  and promise of the seed   in newness of Life   gathered as One in JESUS Christ.. the savior of the world ..



  Jesus and the Samaritan Woman  telling her she was in ignorance of the   true and Living God  and worshipped  without understanding  , but Jesus was giving her  truth and understanding  in that moment  to believe in Him .

...22You worship what you do not know;

we worship what we do know,

for salvation is from the Jews.

23But a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth,


for the Father is seeking such as these to worship Him.


24God is Spirit, and His worshipers must worship Him in spirit and in truth."...

:dsunny:  God bless your journey MinakoChan  !!    He is always faithful as promised...  now we believe by faith , but soon we will know '' all things '' :HeartThrob:   

[CST]

That's true but it's also true that the end of Revelation does paint God and Heaven as being in one direction and the Lake of Fire being outside of it in the other.

[eaglesway]

What verse establishes that the lake of fire is somewhere outside of heaven? I personally think it is surrounded by heaven.

And he will be tormented in fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb.

Rev 14:10

[rosered]

What verse establishes that the lake of fire is somewhere outside of heaven? I personally think it is surrounded by heaven.

And he will be tormented in fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb.

Rev 14:10

AMEN!!!   :HeartThrob: