does destroy mean literally destroy?

[Truth seeker]

Just reading my bible tonight and came across:
Philippians 3 18-19 (NCV)
"18 Many people live like enemies of the cross of Christ. I have often told you about them, and it makes me cry to tell you about them now. 19 In the end, they will be destroyed. They do whatever their bodies want, they are proud of their shameful acts, and they think only about earthly things.

will their ways be destroyed or them themselves? :dontknow:

[sheila]

I think destroy means destroy.  But..then Jesus said 'Destroy this temple and I will raise it on the 3rd day."

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: All flesh dies. I think it's more of a question of how does it LIVE? Look around you; those that live such lives destroy themselves quickly. Blessings...

[darryl]

helps to look at the original Greek word used, it's meaning, and which contexts it is used in connection with.
from Strong's Concordance
apóleia: destruction, loss
apoleia comes from 'apollumi'(according to HELPS Word-studies )
'apollumi' is the Greek word used in the parables of the lost sheep, lost coin, Prodigal Son..all these were lost, perished, destroyed but WERE ultimately found again !. :dsunny:

[GodIsLove]

 :thumbsup:

[darryl]

I think destroy means destroy.  But..then Jesus said 'Destroy this temple and I will raise it on the 3rd day."

:iagree:

[darryl]

Just reading my bible tonight and came across:
Philippians 3 18-19 (NCV)
"18 Many people live like enemies of the cross of Christ. I have often told you about them, and it makes me cry to tell you about them now. 19 In the end, they will be destroyed. They do whatever their bodies want, they are proud of their shameful acts, and they think only about earthly things.

will their ways be destroyed or them themselves? :dontknow:

◄ Philippians 3:19 ►
Text Analysis
Strong's   Transliteration   Greek   English   Morphology
3739 [e]   hōn   ὧν   whose   RelPro-GMP
3588 [e]   to   τὸ   -   Art-NNS
5056 [e]   telos   τέλος   end [is]   N-NNS
684 [e]   apōleia   ἀπώλεια,   destruction,   N-NFS
3739 [e]   hōn   ὧν   whose   RelPro-GMP
3588 [e]   ho   ὁ   -   Art-NMS
2316 [e]   theos   θεὸς   God [is]   N-NMS
3588 [e]   hē   ἡ   [their]   Art-NFS
2836 [e]   koilia   κοιλία   belly,   N-NFS
2532 [e]   kai   καὶ   and   Conj
3588 [e]   hē   ἡ   [their]   Art-NFS
1391 [e]   doxa   δόξα   glory   N-NFS
1722 [e]   en   ἐν   [is] in   Prep
3588 [e]   tē   τῇ   the   Art-DFS
152 [e]   aischynē   αἰσχύνῃ   shame   N-DFS
846 [e]   autōn   αὐτῶν,   of them --   PPro-GM3P
3588 [e]   hoi   οἱ   those   Art-NMP
3588 [e]   ta   τὰ   things   Art-ANP
1919 [e]   epigeia   ἐπίγεια   earthly   Adj-ANP
5426 [e]   phronountes   φρονοῦντες.   minding.   V-PPA-NMP

I believe another possibility is that their soul is destroyed in 'Gehenna' but their 'spirit' is saved.A person has body, soul, and spirit (1 Thes 5:23; Heb 4:12). 'What shall it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?.How much better to believe and repent now and keep one's soul.

Also, It is important to recognize that some scriptures use "destroy" in a different way from that which the modern person thinks of it. We think of destruction as annihilation, or we think of it as smashing something in such a way that it is rendered useless. It's original form has been altered. Sometimes "destroy" is used in the New Testament in the sense of refining something, so that the original form is altered to a purified form. Consider the following passage from I Peter 1:3-6 ESV and verse 7, in another translation:

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for you,who by God's power are being guarded through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. In this you rejoice, though now for a little while, if necessary, you have been grieved by various trials...

Verse 7
... in order that the proving of your faith, much more valuable than gold that is being destroyed through fire and being proved , may be found for praise and glory and honour at the revelation of Jesus Christ.

The Greek word for "destroyed" here is the same word as the one in Matthew 10:28. Some translations translated the word here as "perishes".

Notice it is the proving of your faith which is much more valuable than the proving of gold. Peter speaks of "gold that is being destroyed through fire". Now we know that gold is not annihilated or even destroyed in the sense of being rendered useless (such as a toy that is destroyed by smashing it). Rather the original form of the gold, the ore, is destroyed and the impurities removed so that after the refining process is complete, only the pure gold remains.
So it is with the proving of our faith through various trials. We are refined, impurities removed until we come forth as "pure gold".

[marie glen]

:cloud9: All flesh dies. I think it's more of a question of how does it LIVE? Look around you; those that live such lives destroy themselves quickly. Blessings...

:iagree: :iagree: if we hear someone, in a movie for instance, say "I am going to destroy you.." we don't think of it as threatening murder..

But! The thing is - which you've hit so squarely, Cardinal, is a person's evil ways are what destroy them..

Thank you! For saying that so well! It helps me to form a solid perception of just what, in my opinion, is "God's Wrath". Yes, i believe he can (and does) get angry. After all, it says so in his word. When i, who am nobody, hear of some terrible thing someone has done to another, I grit my teeth and feel angry at the heartless dealer of pain and suffering - I don't know how our Father in heaven does it. Witnessing (even sharing) all the terrible/mean things which happen.

There's a line in Obadiah, i haven't read it for a while.. As a matter of fact I forgot all about it, but heard something about the verse the other day. (Too bad I have forgotten that too.)

I looked it up. I have Obadiah listed as the first prophet.. whether it's accurate :dontknow:
It's verse 15 - "..as you have done so shall it be done unto you, thy reward shall return upon your own head".

That's how I think of it. But that also, His anger is an energy, so it can be truthfully said, I think, that our own evil ways destroy/punish, but also He punishes.. Because He is everywhere present and all things are made of Him..

[marie glen]

helps to look at the original Greek word used, it's meaning, and which contexts it is used in connection with.
from Strong's Concordance
apóleia: destruction, loss
apoleia comes from 'apollumi'(according to HELPS Word-studies )
'apollumi' is the Greek word used in the parables of the lost sheep, lost coin, Prodigal Son..all these were lost, perished, destroyed but WERE ultimately found again !. :dsunny:

    I love that! It really hit a chord with me! :Gclap:

[Seth]

I think destroy means destroy, but there are different types of destruction. It can mean an end to existence (destroy the building) or it can mean to put into ruin (marriage destroyed by infidelity) or a reference to status or wellness (his crimes destroyed him in the community).

[darryl]

 :gimmefive:

helps to look at the original Greek word used, it's meaning, and which contexts it is used in connection with.
from Strong's Concordance
apóleia: destruction, loss
apoleia comes from 'apollumi'(according to HELPS Word-studies )
'apollumi' is the Greek word used in the parables of the lost sheep, lost coin, Prodigal Son..all these were lost, perished, destroyed but WERE ultimately found again !. :dsunny:

    I love that! It really hit a chord with me! :Gclap:

:gimmefive:  :thumbsup:

[Patinak]

:cloud9: All flesh dies. I think it's more of a question of how does it LIVE? ...

Sorry I hacked up your quote, I just thought this part was so good all by itself! (on many levels)    :HeartThrob:

[rosered]

  For me , the truth is  all works will be destroyed  but the FATHERS  ONLY   , ALL TO HIS OWN SPIRIT AND WORD  TO HIS  OWN  GLORY ..

ALL  will know the works of God  eventually   

Ecc  8 God's Ways are Mysterious  , It is the revealing of Jesus Christ  that   we Know the Father  only..

...16
When I gave my heart to know wisdom and to see the task which has been done on the earth (even though one should never sleep day or night),


17and I saw every work of God,

I concluded that man cannot discover the work which has been done under the sun. Even though man should seek laboriously, he will not discover;

and though the wise man should say, "I know," he cannot discover.

   No one comes to the Father except by Me   John 14

The Way, the Truth, and the Life
5Thomas said to Him, "Lord, we do not know where You are going, how do we know the way?"


6Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.


7"If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him."...


John 6 43Jesus answered and said to them,

"Do not grumble among yourselves.


44"No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him;


and I will raise him up on the last day.

45"It is written in the prophets, 'AND THEY SHALL ALL BE TAUGHT OF GOD.' Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me....

no one   has  the father but the son ,

John 1 The Word Made His Dwelling among Us


...17For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ.


18No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.


Lo I come in the volume of a book

  Hebrews 10

Christ's Sacrifice Once for All
...6IN WHOLE BURNT OFFERINGS AND sacrifices FOR SIN YOU HAVE TAKEN NO PLEASURE.


7"THEN I SAID, 'BEHOLD, I HAVE COME (IN THE SCROLL OF THE BOOK IT IS WRITTEN OF ME) TO DO YOUR WILL, O GOD.'"


8After saying above, "SACRIFICES AND OFFERINGS AND WHOLE BURNT OFFERINGS AND sacrifices FOR SIN YOU HAVE NOT DESIRED,


NOR HAVE YOU TAKEN PLEASURE in them" (which are offered according to the Law),...

  The BOOK OF LIFE IS THOUGH HIS OWN SPIRIT    THAT LIVES  in  us all ....

[Ross]

Philippians 3;18-21 " For many are living, I have often told you about them, but now tell you even with tears, as enemies of the cross of Christ. Their end is destruction, their god is their belly, and they glory in their shame. THEIR MINDS ARE SET ON EARTHLY THINGS.
BUT OUR citizenship is in heaven, and it is from there that we eagerly await a saviour, The Lord Jesus Christ, Who WILL transform our lowly bodies into the likeness of His GLORIOUS BODY, by the power that also enables Him to subject ALL things to Himself."

Correcting the mind set on earthly things- these people are not yet aware of the completeness of the cross. As Paul says this is a stumbling block for the Jews, and not smart enough for the Greeks. Correcting will be dramatic. But each in HIS APPOINTED TIME.

[micah7:9]

helps to look at the original Greek word used, it's meaning, and which contexts it is used in connection with.
from Strong's Concordance
apóleia: destruction, loss
apoleia comes from 'apollumi'(according to HELPS Word-studies )
'apollumi' is the Greek word used in the parables of the lost sheep, lost coin, Prodigal Son..all these were lost, perished, destroyed but WERE ultimately found again !. :dsunny:

:dsunny: :dsunny:

[joeteekay]

Jesus said He can destroy the soul. 

The Greek word is apollumi. 

The Greek word "appolumi" has three basic meanings: "lose, perish, or destroy."  See Strong's Concordance G622.  Context can tell which of these three is most appropriate.  Here are a few examples:

LOSE/LOST from "appolumi" - The salt in Matt. 5:13, "lost" its flavour. The "lost"( appolumi) sheep in the wilderness that wandered from the 99 sheep was "found" (Luke 15:6). The prodigal Son of Luke 16:24, "...was dead, and is alive again; he was lost ( appolumi) and is found."

PERISH from "appolumi" - The Apostles were afraid they would "perish" ( appolumi)  in the sea (Matt. 8:25).

DESTROY/DESTRUCTION from "appolumi" - In Matt. 2:13 Joseph is warned to take Jesus to Egypt, because Herod wanted to "destroy" ( appolumi) Him.

Luk 9:56  For the Son of man is not come to destroy (Gk: appolumi--destroy, lose, perish) men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.

Joh 2:19  Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy (Gk: appolumi--destroy, lose, perish) this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.  Joh 2:21  But he spake of the temple of his body.

Later they did destroy Jesus Christ and sure enough three days later God raised (saved) Jesus from that destruction.  Being "destroyed" is not permanent. Destroyed, perish and lost are virtually synonymous in the Scriptures.

:Peace2:

[Patinak]

Jesus said He can destroy the soul. 

The Greek word is apollumi. 

The Greek word "appolumi" has three basic meanings: "lose, perish, or destroy."  See Strong's Concordance G622.  Context can tell which of these three is most appropriate.  Here are a few examples:

LOSE/LOST from "appolumi" - The salt in Matt. 5:13, "lost" its flavour. The "lost"( appolumi) sheep in the wilderness that wandered from the 99 sheep was "found" (Luke 15:6). The prodigal Son of Luke 16:24, "...was dead, and is alive again; he was lost ( appolumi) and is found."

PERISH from "appolumi" - The Apostles were afraid they would "perish" ( appolumi)  in the sea (Matt. 8:25).

DESTROY/DESTRUCTION from "appolumi" - In Matt. 2:13 Joseph is warned to take Jesus to Egypt, because Herod wanted to "destroy" ( appolumi) Him.

Luk 9:56  For the Son of man is not come to destroy (Gk: appolumi--destroy, lose, perish) men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.

Joh 2:19  Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy (Gk: appolumi--destroy, lose, perish) this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.  Joh 2:21  But he spake of the temple of his body.

Later they did destroy Jesus Christ and sure enough three days later God raised (saved) Jesus from that destruction.  Being "destroyed" is not permanent. Destroyed, perish and lost are virtually synonymous in the Scriptures.

:Peace2:

Thanks for your work on appolumi.  I appreciate the comparative study that you have done on the word's usage.
I am wondering, however, where the bible says that Jesus said he can destroy the soul?

Thanks,
Pat

By the way, I think I have read almost all of your posts for the last couple of years, and I enjoy your work!  I was in Ottawa last year and I wanted to get a hold of you, but ended up working the whole 3 days I was there.  :sigh:

[Cardinal]

Jesus said He can destroy the soul. 

The Greek word is apollumi. 

The Greek word "appolumi" has three basic meanings: "lose, perish, or destroy."  See Strong's Concordance G622.  Context can tell which of these three is most appropriate.  Here are a few examples:

LOSE/LOST from "appolumi" - The salt in Matt. 5:13, "lost" its flavour. The "lost"( appolumi) sheep in the wilderness that wandered from the 99 sheep was "found" (Luke 15:6). The prodigal Son of Luke 16:24, "...was dead, and is alive again; he was lost ( appolumi) and is found."

PERISH from "appolumi" - The Apostles were afraid they would "perish" ( appolumi)  in the sea (Matt. 8:25).

DESTROY/DESTRUCTION from "appolumi" - In Matt. 2:13 Joseph is warned to take Jesus to Egypt, because Herod wanted to "destroy" ( appolumi) Him.

Luk 9:56  For the Son of man is not come to destroy (Gk: appolumi--destroy, lose, perish) men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.

Joh 2:19  Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy (Gk: appolumi--destroy, lose, perish) this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.  Joh 2:21  But he spake of the temple of his body.

Later they did destroy Jesus Christ and sure enough three days later God raised (saved) Jesus from that destruction.  Being "destroyed" is not permanent. Destroyed, perish and lost are virtually synonymous in the Scriptures.

:Peace2:

:cloud9: WOW....thanks....all I can say right now reading this triggered a "flash" in me, connecting things I didn't know were connected. Now I got to study them out.....love it when He does that. Thank God for making us to be pieces of the same body, that nourish each other.  :banana: :HeartThrob:

[micah7:9]

Jesus said He can destroy the soul. 

The Greek word is apollumi. 

The Greek word "appolumi" has three basic meanings: "lose, perish, or destroy."  See Strong's Concordance G622.  Context can tell which of these three is most appropriate.  Here are a few examples:

LOSE/LOST from "appolumi" - The salt in Matt. 5:13, "lost" its flavour. The "lost"( appolumi) sheep in the wilderness that wandered from the 99 sheep was "found" (Luke 15:6). The prodigal Son of Luke 16:24, "...was dead, and is alive again; he was lost ( appolumi) and is found."

PERISH from "appolumi" - The Apostles were afraid they would "perish" ( appolumi)  in the sea (Matt. 8:25).

DESTROY/DESTRUCTION from "appolumi" - In Matt. 2:13 Joseph is warned to take Jesus to Egypt, because Herod wanted to "destroy" ( appolumi) Him.

Luk 9:56  For the Son of man is not come to destroy (Gk: appolumi--destroy, lose, perish) men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.

Joh 2:19  Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy (Gk: appolumi--destroy, lose, perish) this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.  Joh 2:21  But he spake of the temple of his body.

Later they did destroy Jesus Christ and sure enough three days later God raised (saved) Jesus from that destruction.  Being "destroyed" is not permanent. Destroyed, perish and lost are virtually synonymous in the Scriptures.

:Peace2:

:thumbsup: :dsunny:

[joeteekay]

Thanks for your work on appolumi.  I appreciate the comparative study that you have done on the word's usage.
I am wondering, however, where the bible says that Jesus said he can destroy the soul?

Thanks,
Pat

By the way, I think I have read almost all of your posts for the last couple of years, and I enjoy your work!  I was in Ottawa last year and I wanted to get a hold of you, but ended up working the whole 3 days I was there.  :sigh:

Thanks Pat
Jesus can destroy the soul.

Mat_10:28  And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Joe

[gregoryfl]

Very nice discussion all! Definitely a product of the diverse parts all bringing together for the building up of the body.

In the Aramaic tradition, the usual word used for destroy in the 1st century writings is אביד (Abiyd). It's Hebrew relative אבד (Abad).

The root of this word is בד, which indicate the action of isolation. A related word is found in Genesis 1:4, where Elohim בדל (badal) the light from the darkness. Translated usually as 'separate', a more precise translation would be 'isolate'.

The א (aleph) at the beginning of abiyd and abad add the nuance of something being prepared, cultivated, such as what an ox would be used to do with a plow in breaking up the soil so that seeds can be sown. Therefore, this is an isolation that involves cultivation, or preparation, for something. It is not isolation simply for the purpose of isolation.

A hint of this can be found in the use of the word in Leviticus 26. Verse 38 says that rebellious Israel would אבד in the nations, being devoured by their enemies (an idiom meaning to go into captivity). So does this אבד mean the end of Israel?

Verse 44 goes on to say that Elohim would not reject or loathe them so as to finish them. They would be isolated from their homeland for a time, but eventually, as many other scriptures bring out, restored. That is the aleph behind the isolation, a preparation for something greater, for something precious that is lost is all the more appreciated when found, something ruined is all the more precious when restored.

Ronen

[sheila]

I like that..it ties in with..break up your fallow ground and sow not amongst thorns....and we know a field overtaken with weeds/thorns is

burned to isolate that seeding of tares/thorns from the soil.........

[sheila]

Rev 9;1,2,11   under Bex post yesterday..Alarm sounded..under christian living.

[greg]

Very nice discussion all! Definitely a product of the diverse parts all bringing together for the building up of the body.

In the Aramaic tradition, the usual word used for destroy in the 1st century writings is אביד (Abiyd). It's Hebrew relative אבד (Abad).

The root of this word is בד, which indicate the action of isolation. A related word is found in Genesis 1:4, where Elohim בדל (badal) the light from the darkness. Translated usually as 'separate', a more precise translation would be 'isolate'.

The א (aleph) at the beginning of abiyd and abad add the nuance of something being prepared, cultivated, such as what an ox would be used to do with a plow in breaking up the soil so that seeds can be sown. Therefore, this is an isolation that involves cultivation, or preparation, for something. It is not isolation simply for the purpose of isolation.

A hint of this can be found in the use of the word in Leviticus 26. Verse 38 says that rebellious Israel would אבד in the nations, being devoured by their enemies (an idiom meaning to go into captivity). So does this אבד mean the end of Israel?

Verse 44 goes on to say that Elohim would not reject or loathe them so as to finish them. They would be isolated from their homeland for a time, but eventually, as many other scriptures bring out, restored. That is the aleph behind the isolation, a preparation for something greater, for something precious that is lost is all the more appreciated when found, something ruined is all the more precious when restored.

Ronen

Right, by itself אבד "destroy/perish/break" does not mean "utterly annihilate". 

I would add that it requires context before it can be said to mean utterly destroy.  Just a couple examples help illustrate: James 1:11 referring to plants dying (it doesn't mean the plant energy is not transformed); Matthew 5:29 referring to a body part perishing but a remainder not perishing; Matthew 9:17 referring to bottles bursting.   Looking at every instance of this word in the 1st Century Aramaic bible, you find that אבד was often used casually to describe something that simply breaks up.  So it doesn't require utter annihilation by itself.   Indeed, when the old wine skins were destroyed, they simply popped.  They were not ground to dust, and then each particle transferred into an supernatural radioactive disintegrator to be utterly annihilated from the universe. 

Regarding Ronen's translation, that is a useful study insight.  Personally, in בדל I actually see the separation component being the most literal translation in the Hebrew, but "isolation" is also fine in different contexts. I don't recall any examples where בדל is used in isolation to describe isolation itself, but that would be interesting in the bible or Hebrew literature.  Anyway, semantics, I think its most literal meaning is in reference to a noun (subject) being separated from another noun (reference point).  In many examples, the separation (being 'set apart') is meant to emphasize some degree of holiness...

Indeed, this theme of separation of light and dark continues in John 1...

The first wordplay comes from מנהר in John 1:5, "And that light in the darkness brought light and the darkness not did overtake it." This Aramaic word מנהר ("brought light") has an alternate literal translation meaning "from fight" (מנ = from; הר = fight), as in the very battle of light and dark energies being described in John 1:5.  So through division of this one word, we see a complimentary meaning in John 1:4-5, because the "light of men" in John 1:4 was divided/separated just like light and dark were separated in the beginning.

How was the light of men separated? Adam was one -- he was man, not a son of man (ברנשא) like all men after him. After his second and third separations, Cain and Abel, his separations fought amongst one another. At first it appeared that darkness (the stumbling block, the shadow) triumphed when Cain murdered Abel, but then Seth was born, and eventually Yahshua the Messiah was born from Seth's line, and so "the light of men" triumphed; John 1:5 is a true statement, "And that light in the darkness brought light, and the darkness did not overtake it." See also John 14:30, "After this I will not speak with you much, for the ruler of this world comes and in me he does not have to him anything."

The second wordplay in John 1:5 comes from the word אדרחה ("did overtake it"). This plays on two words: דרכתא ("threshing") and אדרא ("threshing floor"). It's a metaphor, light separated from dark just like wheat is separated from straw (by beating it with wood/cross on the threshing floor). Between light and dark, only one has the seed. Light has the seed; wheat has the seed. The darkness, the flesh, the straw is just the cover. The light/seed must break through the darkness. So our earth is like the threshing floor for our saga, which is a metaphor explaining why our existence here must be filled with such tribulation. Apparently we have to get the seed beaten out of us! 

[darryl]

Jesus said He can destroy the soul. 

The Greek word is apollumi. 

The Greek word "appolumi" has three basic meanings: "lose, perish, or destroy."  See Strong's Concordance G622.  Context can tell which of these three is most appropriate.  Here are a few examples:

LOSE/LOST from "appolumi" - The salt in Matt. 5:13, "lost" its flavour. The "lost"( appolumi) sheep in the wilderness that wandered from the 99 sheep was "found" (Luke 15:6). The prodigal Son of Luke 16:24, "...was dead, and is alive again; he was lost ( appolumi) and is found."

PERISH from "appolumi" - The Apostles were afraid they would "perish" ( appolumi)  in the sea (Matt. 8:25).

DESTROY/DESTRUCTION from "appolumi" - In Matt. 2:13 Joseph is warned to take Jesus to Egypt, because Herod wanted to "destroy" ( appolumi) Him.

Luk 9:56  For the Son of man is not come to destroy (Gk: appolumi--destroy, lose, perish) men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.

Joh 2:19  Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy (Gk: appolumi--destroy, lose, perish) this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.  Joh 2:21  But he spake of the temple of his body.

Later they did destroy Jesus Christ and sure enough three days later God raised (saved) Jesus from that destruction.  Being "destroyed" is not permanent. Destroyed, perish and lost are virtually synonymous in the Scriptures.

:Peace2:

I am wondering, however, where the bible says that Jesus said he can destroy the soul?

seemingly in Matthew 10:28 although it's not stated who it is who does the 'destroying'.Some say Jesus some say God some say the Devil. So, there seems to be some controversy over exactly what this verse means.Obviously the filth encrusted sin ridden soul of an impenitent person needs to be 'destroyed' but out of that 'destruction' will come ultimate good.