Keeping the Commands

[eaglesway]

This is really very simple. Paul made it clear. Paul was a Hebrew of Hebrews from his youth. He celebrated the Sabbath according to his own pleasure and the needs of his ministry among his countrymen.

He taught however, that the Sabbath was no longer a requirement, and that it ought not be taught as one, especially to Gentile believers.

Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God....Rom 14

We may all do as we are convinced in regards to the Sabbaths. We may not teach others that they should or must do as we do. Teaching that Gentile believers were taught to keep the Sabbaths is false teaching.... they were not. Teaching that the Sabbaths will be kept in the New Jerusalem is an interpretation for which there is little support in the New Testament and is a theory, not a teaching or doctrine established in scripture. Since we(the ecclesia) are the New Jerusalem, built of living stones, a habitation of God in the Spirit, fitly joined together with the mortar of brotherly love, according to the lines of the chief cornerstone, imo, those things from which we are free today- will also be at liberty in the age to come


However at that time, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those which by nature are no gods. 9 But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elemental things, to which you desire to be enslaved all over again? 10 You observe days and months and seasons and years. 11 I fear for you, that perhaps I have labored over you in vain. Galatians 4

Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day— 17   things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ. Col 2

[Seth]

AMEN   carnally minded is death    ,  what does death have to do with LIFE ?   1 JOHN3 Love One Another!!


...13Do not be surprised, brethren, if the world hates you.


14We know that we have passed out of death into life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love abides in death.


15Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer; and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.... :HeartThrob:

:thumbsup: :dsunny:

[rosered]

  Always  good things    everyone   :thumbsup:  Gods blessings of great grace on all .. no doubt about that ..

I love this ,,, what of ,,,    the Sabbath DAY    on the 7th day   GOD RESTED  , was when all were GATHERED AS ONE [GEN2 ]
 
THE SAME GLORY I HAD WITH YOU BEFORE THE WORLD WAS .....[Gen 1]

John 17 ...4"I glorified You on the earth, having accomplished the work which You have given Me to do. 5"Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

Proverbs 8:23
I was formed long ages ago, at the very beginning, when the world came to be.

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 8:58
"Very truly I tell you," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"

John 17:1
After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you.[ THE HOUR OF THE CROSS]  EVERY ONE HAS TO DIE TO  , TO BE ABLE  TO  LIVE IN CHRIST ...Jesus being the first fruit / one of a kind son  to    Gather into Himself what was scattered abroad    and lost   will be found in the SABBATH  DAY /REST IN GOD

John 17:24
"Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.

Philippians 2:6
Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;


  :HeartThrob: WOW !!! :dsunny:  LOVE HAS MADE A WAY  HOME


1 Peter 1:21
Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God.

the word made flesh  , died in the flesh to make the Word  Alive though  faith  in  GOD  same Spirit of life  WILL BE GATHERED  WHOLE AGAIN   as it once was  before the world /  death entered   though it
these works no man can boast    about  ,, All GLORY IS GOD ALONE ......
The Seventh Day: God Rests
1Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their hosts. 2By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

Hebrews 4:4
For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: "On the seventh day God rested from all his works."

Hebrews 4:10
for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his

Jesus Christ is the fulness of the GODHEAD bodily   /Complete /PERFECT /ENTIRE  /WHOLENESS   what was , IS  , and will always BE      ... DONE 

No more death , no more pain , no more tears all those things are     over with  in Christ /SPIRIT /SON, as  we cease from  struggling against    GODS DESIRE/Will /Word  /two covenants ,

as our own    cross is the finished work   [goal ] IN CHRIST   of LIFE  for the  dead    in and though our Lord Jesus Christ  of the dead and living  BOTH in ONE ,

When He is Lifted Up  He draws all    dead  to life   again  into Himself    ,  Life from among the dead   ,    whom is Gods    whom  is ALL   , LOVE REIGNS SUPREME    :HeartThrob:

[sheila]

Yes! That's what it is,Father haveing all His children restored and back home with Him. Also,Jesus prayer answered...I always do that

  which pleases the Father.

[Ross]

Just a couple of other scriptures about the Sabbath.

Matt 12;1-8 " In that season Jesus went on through the cornfields, and His disciples hungered and plucked ears of corn to eat. But the Pharisees observing it said to Him,
  ' Behold your disciples are doing what is not allowed on the Sabbath.'

And Jesus said to them,
  ' Have you never read what David did when he hungered, and they who were with him? How he entered into the house of God and did eat the presence bread, which it was not allowable for him to eat, nor they who were with him, but only for the priests. Or have you not read in the law that on the Sabbath the priests profane the Sabbath in the temple and are blameless. But I say to you something greater than the temple is here. However, if you had known what this means
     " I desire mercy and not sacrifice"
  you would not have condemned the blameless; for the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath."


1 Peter 2;9 " But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for a specific treasure, that you may tell forth of the excellence of Him Who has called you out of darkness into His marvellous light."


1 Peter 2;15 " Yourselves are being built up as living stones, as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices well pleasing to God through Jesus Christ."

[rosered]

Just a couple of other scriptures about the Sabbath.

Matt 12;1-8 " In that season Jesus went on through the cornfields, and His disciples hungered and plucked ears of corn to eat. But the Pharisees observing it said to Him,
  ' Behold your disciples are doing what is not allowed on the Sabbath.'

And Jesus said to them,
  ' Have you never read what David did when he hungered, and they who were with him? How he entered into the house of God and did eat the presence bread, which it was not allowable for him to eat, nor they who were with him, but only for the priests. Or have you not read in the law that on the Sabbath the priests profane the Sabbath in the temple and are blameless. But I say to you something greater than the temple is here. However, if you had known what this means
     " I desire mercy and not sacrifice"
  you would not have condemned the blameless; for the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath."


1 Peter 2;9 " But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for a specific treasure, that you may tell forth of the excellence of Him Who has called you out of darkness into His marvellous light."


1 Peter 2;15 " Yourselves are being built up as living stones, as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices well pleasing to God through Jesus Christ."

  Hi Ross ,

The sabbath   to me is Jesus Christ    ALONE  and He is the Lord of the dead and living    .. sabbath rest is to die in the Lord and the Lord is raised up in power  in you ,       When He is Lifted up      from death LIFE springs forth doing the works   of faith in you  from the Father LIVING GOD ...

   Love also that when Paul was  describing    paradise  of God and calling it the third heaven , the thief on the cross  was given this gift of grace IN  Jesus Christ  ,that DAY  it was   not permitted for a  mere human to speak of  such glorious and   exceptional things   ...

  What the law could NOT do  , LOOK what the grace of God has done   though the Cross of the Lord Jesus Christ    , He alone took death  captive  and now holds those keys    making satan powerless over   the law !!  Jesus Christ opened heaven for all    !!

Many do not understand the new heavens  , and why there was 3  and not the old and new one  , but 3    heavens mentioned in the WORD OF GOD , It is the Higher   realm  of GODS PRESENCE   who has seen GOD at any time and lived to tell of it !Can God be seen face to face (Genesis 32:30; Exodus 33:11) or not (Exodus 33:20; John 1:18; 1 John 4:12)?

Only the pure in heart shall see God  , Jesus says differently in  [Matt 5]   true worshippers  in Spirit& truth 

John 4  ...23"But an hour is coming, and now is  HOUR  ''LAST HOUR'' 1 John 2  , when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers. 24"God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."     :HeartThrob: Little children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have arisen,   the urgency in the message is this salvation is nearer than when we  first believed !

  He said  , 1 Cor 12 Paul's Visions and Revelations


12 It is necessary to boast; nothing is to be gained by it,

but I will go on to visions and revelations of the Lord.

2 I know a person in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know;

God knows.

  3 And I know that such a person—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know; God knows—

4 was caught up into Paradise and heard things that are not to be told, that no mortal is permitted to repeat.

5 On behalf of such a one I will boast, but on my own behalf I will not boast, except of my weaknesses.

  6 But if I wish to boast, I will not be a fool, for I will be speaking the truth


. But I refrain from it, so that no one may think better of me than what is seen in me or heard from me,


7 even considering the exceptional character of the revelations.

Therefore, to keep me from being too elated, a thorn was given me in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to torment me,

to keep me from being too elated.


8 Three times I appealed to the Lord about this, that it would leave me,


9 but he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for power is made perfect in weakness."

So, I will boast all the more gladly of my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may dwell in me.


10 Therefore I am content with weaknesses, insults, hardships, persecutions, and calamities for the sake of Christ;


for whenever I am weak, then I am strong.



Our Sabbath   rest is in God  battling  for us   salvation ,   than who can be against us ?    not  anything can separate us from this LOVE OF GOD   ! :HeartThrob:

[Ross]

" .. sabbath rest is to die in the Lord and the Lord is raised up in power  in you "

Indeed the very point of taking up the cross daily. Also why Paul says, 'I have been crucified with Christ, it is no longer I who lives but Christ Who lives in me."

" 9 but he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for power is made perfect in weakness." So, I will boast all the more gladly of my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may dwell in me. 10 Therefore I am content with weaknesses, insults, hardships, persecutions, and calamities for the sake of Christ; for whenever I am weak, then I am strong."

[/u]
Key points made by Paul. Pretty much opposite to what the flesh promotes about self-righteousness and/or works.

Keeping the commands makes more sense when seeing them as a starter to life which is more courteous and considerate of others. Just like raising kids we have to establish boundaries, as they grow they expand. Hence we know that the rules are there yet live with freedom and confidence of mutual respect. And all this is only the beginning of fathoming the depth of love which goes beyond all the necessities of laws. As the word says, if we love the way in 1 Cor 13, then life has meaning. The greatest of all is love as beautifully demonstrated by Christ.

[marie glen]

Amen, "love is the fulfilling of the law" -  "The fruit of the Spirit is.. and against such, there is no law.."

Romans 3:21 was in my readings this morning - "But now the righteousness of God, apart from the law, is revealed, to which the Law and the Prophets testify."

And we know, which I believe Sheila wrote, that the Jerusalem council - Acts 15 - which was convened to determine from the Spirit what rules to give to gentile believers, said "It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: to be abstaining from idol sacrifices, and blood, and what is strangled and fornication; from which, carefully keeping yourselves, you will do well. Fare ye well."

Anything we put on the throne with Jesus, dilutes the gospel. ..In "the new and living way" we keep sabbath by our resting in Jesus, the Sabbath rest of the LORD. - Hebrews chapter 4 goes into the "Sabbath rest" we are to enter.. and ends with, verse 16, Amplified Version "Therefore let us [with privilege] approach the throne of grace [that is, the throne of God's gracious favor] with confidence and without fear, so that we may receive mercy [for our failures] and find [His amazing] grace to help in time of need [an appropriate blessing, coming just at the right moment]." Which puts me in mind of verse which say not to hinder or throw a rock of hindrance in anyone's path.. And when a church or denomination makes requirements not required, they are diluting the gospel's power and hindering others.. imo ..they do not trust the grace of God..
:bdh: I know.. but I never tire of this topic and it's a very important one.. And it seems like every New Testament letter addresses the issue of law vs grace.. :Peace2:

[Ross]

We never tire because we are alive in Christ.
Grace and the law are the complete issue of faith and works.

[rosered]

    :thumbsup:  awesome Marie ,   :banana:

  Amen  Ross    faith in God    whom does the works though Jesus Christ,'' Our bread from heaven '' and Life !!  The gift of Gods grace  to build upon and LIFT UP and draw all men unto HIM 

  John 6

Young's Literal Translation
Jesus answered and said to them, 'This is the work of God, that ye may believe in him whom He did send.'

[marie glen]

Romans 3:28,27
"Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law. Where is boasting then? It is excluded."

Verses 4:2-4
"For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about.. For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness." Now to him who works, the reward is not reckoned of grace, but of debt" (earned)

Verse 3:31
"Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law."

Colossians 2:16
"..do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day."

Romans 14:5,6
"One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; :thumbsup: and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it..." :thumbsup:

    :Peace2: :HeartThrob:

.."This is the work of God, that ye may believe in him whom He did send" Amen Rose!

From Acts - "What must I do to be saved?" .."believe on the Lord Jesus.."  If we search the scriptures, gentile believers were never told to observe the Sabbath(Acts 15) - Jesus rose on the the Feast of First-Fruits which always fell on the first day of the week (sunday) as it always followed the regular weekly Sabbath of Spring holy week..(Lev 23)
   :Peace2: :coffee:

[universalist1949]

Scripture plainly states that the Sabbath was made of man (and woman). It does not say for the Jews or the House of Israel alone. Paul kept the Sabbath as well as the Gentiles of his time. If you do not believe that we must keep the Sabbath then I suggest that you believe you may commit adultery, covet, have false Gods, steal, murder, etc. Of Course no one who is law abiding both spiritually and  worldly would commit these sins. The new testament is fillid with Scripture instructing us to keep the commands. Remember faith without works is dead.
:dsunny:

[universalist1949]

Commandments?

In Matthew 19:16, Jesus was asked what must be done to inherit eternal life. His answer: "If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments" (Matthew 19:17). Jesus then listed several, including enough of the Ten Commandments to make clear which commandments He meant: " 'You shall not murder,' 'You shall not commit adultery,' 'You shall not steal,' 'You shall not bear false witness,' 'Honor your father and your mother,' and, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself' " (Matthew 19:18-19).

Today some people will tell you that keeping the commandments was fulfilled by Christ and obeying God's law is therefore no longer required. But notice what Jesus Himself had to say about this idea: "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill" (Matthew 5:17).

Some try to deny His plain, simple statement by interpreting the verse to mean the law was not abolished until Jesus came and fulfilled it. They then interpret "fulfill" as "bringing to an end," "superseding" or some other synonym for "abolishing." In essence they have Jesus saying, "I did not come to abolish the law, but to abolish it."

Jesus, on the other hand, said heaven and earth would disappear before the smallest part of the law would do so (Matthew 5:18). He said the law would continue until everything is accomplished. Because the fulfillment of many biblical prophecies of Christ's second coming is yet to occur (the prophecies have not yet been accomplished), we know the law has not ceased to exist.

The truth of the matter is that Jesus was speaking to people who believed in keeping all of the Ten Commandments. He reaffirmed the necessity for all who come to Him to do likewise. In Matthew chapters 5-7 Jesus explained how God intended for the Ten Commandments to be kept. By giving this explanation and exemplifying it in His life, He was fulfilling a prophecy about Himself from Isaiah 42:21: "The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law and make it honorable" (King James Version).

The word fulfill in Matthew 5:17 means "fill up," "make full," "fill to the full" or "complete." Jesus came to magnify, or fill completely full, the meaning of God's law. Jesus' teaching that a man who lusts after a woman has already committed adultery in his mind represented Jesus' magnification of all of the Ten Commandments. He explained the full meaning—the spiritual intent—of the commandments. He showed that He expects more than just a legalistic, letter-of-the-law approach; He also expects a submissive, yielded mind focused on love for God and love for our fellow man.

Jesus further clarifies: "Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven" (Matthew 5:19).

Clearly, fulfill does not mean "abolish"!

Another common misunderstanding is that the New Testament Church came to believe that it is not necessary to follow Christ's example of obeying the law. But His apostles, who were personally taught by Him, certainly did not agree with this idea.

The apostle John said: "Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. He who says, 'I know Him,' and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked" (1 John 2:3-6).

Even the apostle Paul, who is most often cited by those attempting to do away with God's law, himself refuted this erroneous idea, saying, "Imitate me, just as I also imitate Christ" (1 Corinthians 11:1). Far from condemning the law, Paul said, "The law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good" (Romans 7:12) and, "I delight in the law of God" (Romans 7:22). Indeed, he said that "keeping the commandments of God is what matters" (1 Corinthians 7:19).

We must avoid reading our own ideas into the Bible. Quoting from the prophet Isaiah, our Savior warned against trusting our own ideas instead of the laws of God: " 'This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.' For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men ... All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition" (Mark 7:6-9).

We, too, must be sure we follow Christ's example instead of our own ideas!

[rosered]

  Exactly    the carnal mind is the true enemy in us all     to be carnally minded is DEATH

  Holy Spirit is the true teacher , we are to Never lean on our own understanding .

  You have an unction  from the Holy Spirit   1 John 2 Beware of Antichrists


...19They went out from us, but they were not really of us;

for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us;

but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us.


20But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you all know.

21I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it, and because no lie is of the truth....

Proverbs 28:5
Evildoers do not understand what is right, but those who seek the LORD understand it fully.

Jeremiah 31:34
No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, 'Know the LORD,' because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest," declares the LORD. "For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more."

Matthew 13:11
He replied, "Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them.

Mark 1:24
"What do you want with us, Jesus of Nazareth? Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are--the Holy One of God!"

John 14:26
But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

Acts 10:38
how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.

1 Corinthians 2:15
The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments,

2 Corinthians 1:21
Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us,

1 John 2:27
As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit--just as it has taught you, remain in him.

Jude 1:5
Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord at one time delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe.

   The thing is the learn to be as faithful to the Lord and He has always been to you      , many have never come that far  in this life ...
  while you were yet sinners Christ died for you ....

[CHB]

Today some people will tell you that keeping the commandments was fulfilled by Christ and obeying God's law is therefore no longer required. But notice what Jesus Himself had to say about this idea: "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill" (Matthew 5:17).

Jesus did fulfill the law. The things Jesus said about keeping the law was before his crucifixion. The law was still in force as long as Jesus remained alive but after his death and resurrection it became a law of death.

(Rom. 7:49 Wherefore my brethern, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ;.     (Gal. 3:13) Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us. (Gal. 3:24-25) Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

(Heb. 8:13) In that he saith, A new Covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Personally I think that for me to try to keep the law would be denying Jesus and what he did for me.

CHB

[universalist1949]

You are mixing up the ceremonial law with the commandments. Jesus (Yahshua) fulfilled the ceremonial law not the Commands. The Commands are what tells us what sin is.

[gregoryfl]

You are mixing up the ceremonial law with the commandments. Jesus (Yahshua) fulfilled the ceremonial law not the Commands. The Commands are what tells us what sin is.

I guard his mitzvot as well, including shabbat. For clarification, when you say he fulfilled the ceremonial law, what do you mean by that? Fulfilled in what way? Just so you know, I am not trying to argue against your convictions, simply desiring to understand where you are coming from better.

Ronen

[sheila]

well,see...the spirit of Christ [Holy spirit]in you fulfills the commands..and becaus Jesus Christ is the Lord of the Sabbath,so,too,

is that spirit in you...and like He said 'the Father has continued to work unto know,and so I" it is the Father doing the 'work' in me..

   if our Father continues to work on the sabbath..and the priests and High Priests..why wouldn't those that are called to be a Priesthood?

  even followers and recievers of the Holy spirit..Be Counted blameless under the law.......also...the sons of the kingdom..are also free of the

obligation of the temple tax.  the Sabbath was a day set aside in memorial of God resting when all His creative work is finished..of

which man 'let us make man in our image and likeness' was part of it.  when Jesus said 'it is finished' on the cross..and laid down

His life willingly and obediently in the form of man..that was the finished work....the fulfilling of the first law covenant..the first and

only man without sin and obedient unto death..in the very image and likeness of God.  In fact,Jesus was told to come home and sit

at His Father's right hand..while Father put all things under His feet. Jesus Christ is Father's rest and the 1000year day...and just

because they heal,raise the dead on it..as a priestly,High Priest service unto God on it does not profane it.

  remember the sabbath to keep it Holy..is to sanctify it...a set apart unto the service of God...to rest from our own endeavours

our own interests..in loveing the Father and our brother's as ourselves.   There is therefore now no condemnation[lawbreakers]

of those in Christ......

   you break one..you break them all...through one man/and the breaking of one commandment sin/death entered to all men....thus

the breaking of God's law/command 'DO NOT EAT OF TOKOGAE} brought death unto all men......the very death of sin works/or the

works of the devil in man...enters it's eternal rest in the death..of the man of sin...the law of sin,as Paul spoke of may be at work

in his body members[the good that I desire to do..I do not! that which I do not desire to do..I do....Who will save me from this

body undergoing this death! Praise be to God and Jesus Christ

   But the spirit of liberty/life and grace in Jesus Christ will quicken our mortal bodies..that which is mortal shall put on immortality

    The law says and eye for an eye,tooth for tooth....Jesus fulfilled that......He laid down His life willingly to pay that penalty for

all who had died in Adam. He said..'no man takes it from me"thus..the law's requirement was fulfilled and the whole law was fulfilled as

far as the old covenant...and a new covenant was brought in...any man that believes God and Jesus,that Jesus is the son of God

may have eternal life[after all not believing God that if you ate from the tokogae brought death} and be granted to eat of TOL....

thus believing that Jesus Christ is the son of God opens the way to the TOL..again a reversing of the curse! for unbelief and

disobediance of His word/command!   

    Nothing can seperate us[cut us off-throw us out of His presence!] from the love of God that was shown us in Jesus Christ.

  we enter into life through believing...just as we all entered into death by not believing............

    the flaming cherubs that guard the way into the garden...and cover/ guard the mercy seat of the ark of the covenant...that

barred all out entrance into His presence...will not let you in as long as you remain in unbelief..it is through our very belief

in the 'word of God come in flesh" that we enter.

   the curse of those under law/disobedience/unbelief..is reversed when man repents[rethinks]and the love of the truth[in Christ]

is their new mindset.  Eve was seduced into believing the liar...and the love of the truth did not keep her from disbelieving

the word of God on the matter..as far as the command of God went..to not eat..lest ye die.......

   we need to believe that the command to Not eat of the tree of the knowledge of Good and evil..lest ye die..is TRUTH.....WE NEED TO

LOVE THAT TRUTH.....for it will keep us well.

      then we have access to TOL......by BELIEVING JESUS CHRIST..THE WORD OF GOD THAT WE HAVE ETERNAL LIFE>>AND

  WE MUST LOVE THAT TRUTH.....I AM THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA......FIRST AND LAST

[sheila]

WE ALL IN ADAM ENTERED INTO DEATH THROUGH OUR UNBELIEF IN GOD"S WORD....TO NOT EAT OF THAT TREE OF TKOGAE

  MANY STILL THROUGH UNBELIEF IN THE "WORD OF GOD" DO NOT ENTER INTO LIFE!

  note that word come to the first Adam and the last

[GodIsLove]

You are mixing up the ceremonial law with the commandments. Jesus (Yahshua) fulfilled the ceremonial law not the Commands. The Commands are what tells us what sin is.

I believe the Holy Spirit is what tells what sin is and convicts us.

There are a lot more things other than the 10 commandments that are "missing the mark"

[sheila]

Jesus said that 'the commandment was unto life" what was He talking about?  He was speaking of the original commandment

of God NOT to eat from the TOKOGAE...God give that because He wanted man to live and have life.

      Man being driven out of the Garden..lest he eat of the TOL and live forever....was  God's will until man was made a believer

  in the 'Word' of God..in that God did not want man to continue in His unbelief..eternally.

   thus the whole ministry of death..including the law.[tokogae]..shows man that God's word is TRUE/TRUTH. and to this day...

  if we shrink back to that tree.eat from it.....it kills us.  a negative contrast lesson.

  the Holy spirit convicts us of not believing in Jesus Christ.

  the positive is the tol/belief in Jesus Christ..'the Word of God".

[Seth]

You are mixing up the ceremonial law with the commandments. Jesus (Yahshua) fulfilled the ceremonial law not the Commands. The Commands are what tells us what sin is.

Jesus said he fulfilled the law and the prophets. He didn't say he fulfilled some of the law and the prophets.

IF you walk by the Spirit you don't need laws to tell you what sin is. Love does no evil.

[Patinak]

You are mixing up the ceremonial law with the commandments. Jesus (Yahshua) fulfilled the ceremonial law not the Commands. The Commands are what tells us what sin is.

Jesus said he fulfilled the law and the prophets. He didn't say he fulfilled some of the law and the prophets.

IF you walk by the Spirit you don't need laws to tell you what sin is. Love does no evil.

Thanks Seth, your posts always seem to make such sense to me.

[rosered]

I love what Paul says  in Romans  8 ,  that the law is fulfilled in us whom  walk in the Spirit and not in the flesh

  So I really love what you  all shared  :HeartThrob:

   especially  this   GODISLOVE ..   

 

Quote from: universalist1949 on January 25, 2016, 09:55:47 PM
You are mixing up the ceremonial law with the commandments. Jesus (Yahshua) fulfilled the ceremonial law not the Commands. The Commands are what tells us what sin is.

I believe the Holy Spirit is what tells what sin is and convicts us.

There are a lot more things other than the 10 commandments that are "missing the mark"

It is the HOLY SPIRIT  being the'' chastiser'' teacher and  comforter [binding and loosing   satan for the destruction of our flesh ]  so in the Day of the Lord our Spirit is saved    in Jesus Christ .

  We learn  from the WORD OF GOD & SPIRIT OF GOD total  TRUTH   that does fulfill  ''  all things ''   :HeartThrob:

[Patinak]

I love what Paul says  in Romans  8 ,  that the law is fulfilled in us whom  walk in the Spirit and not in the flesh

  So I really love what you  all shared  :HeartThrob:

   especially  this   GODISLOVE ..   

 

Quote from: universalist1949 on January 25, 2016, 09:55:47 PM
You are mixing up the ceremonial law with the commandments. Jesus (Yahshua) fulfilled the ceremonial law not the Commands. The Commands are what tells us what sin is.

I believe the Holy Spirit is what tells what sin is and convicts us.

There are a lot more things other than the 10 commandments that are "missing the mark"

It is the HOLY SPIRIT  being the" chastiser" teacher and  comforter [binding and loosing   satan for the destruction of our flesh ]  so in the Day of the Lord our Spirit is saved    in Jesus Christ .

  We learn  from the WORD OF GOD & SPIRIT OF GOD total  TRUTH   that does fulfill  "  all things "   :HeartThrob:

Go Rose! :declare: :HeartThrob: