Marriage and Homosexuality

[marie glen]

...the truth stays the same, but it does get harder to sort through it all and stand for it.  The times they are a'changing...

..so true!

"but My Word remains the same".     :HeartThrob:

  :dsunny:

micah's post and the replies got me thinking.  It's the old "WWJD" (what would Jesus do) deal.  I of course can only speculate, perhaps with leading of the Holy Spirit.  But I personally believe HE would go - for a purpose.  I believe He would kindly admonish the people present what marriage really means, how it's to be holy in nature, and what it represents, and that it's not legitimate within same-sex.  I think He would offer them forgiveness, and then instruct them to believe on Him and to live for Him from that moment on, following Him rather than doing what's right in their (our) own eyes.   :2c:

:dsunny: :dsunny:

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: I still say it's between the individual and the Lord. There is no cut and dried answer, only
because He might have a reason for sending someone to such an event.

However, of my own personal decision, I wouldn't go unless He sent me, for some reason of His. And I know some homosexuals, ministered to some, know them quite well.

But because I know firsthand the spiritual bondage that goes with it is a real entity, going to "celebrate" their union would be out of the question entirely. And so because of this, according to MY conscience, it would be like sitting on the sidelines selling popcorn to onlookers
right before Sodom and Gomorrah are destroyed. My  :2c: Blessings....

[marie glen]

Amen, according to His leading.. As celebrating the union it seems all are in agreement that would not be a good motivation.. :faint:

[guest5685]

I just wanted to add one more thought to this thread. In Romans Ch.1 we become focused on verses 24-27 but if you stand back and read it again the list of offences isn't completed until Romans Ch.2 verse 3.  It basically covers everyone so if we single out the gays or homosexuals we are judging since our flesh is covered somewhere in that list of offensive actions.

It reminds me a bit like how things are viewed in my past Catholic traditions. They had sins classed as venial and mortal but it's funny because that's kind of like how they started that rating of movies. The older you are the more trash you can view and still feel righteous and sanctified. Kind of crazy but religious folks do the same with the works of the flesh. We kind of rank them based on their offense to our standards but they all fall short of the Glory of God. He looks on the heart and we look at the flesh. It's his eyes we need! In the natural realm if you go outside on a sunny day and stare at the sun you will go blind. I believe if we stare at the SON long enough we too will Go Blind to the Law of Sin and Death even in others but will regain Our Sight In Him and see All Justified By The Blood. That's my prayer so it must be polite to stare!
:HeartThrob: :dsunny:

[sheila]

well..they say justice is blind. she is pictured holding a scale in her hand with a blindfold on. They say love is blind,too.........

    thus it blots out all your sins..does not hold them against you and keeps no record of the injury.

   but the harlot eats..wipes her mouth..and says..'I have not sinned"

  if homosexuality was listed as a sin..confessed to...He is faithful to forgive and not hold it against us...but it is this............

      'it is NOT sin" that is the problem..for we call God a liar. All murder,adultery and fornication[of which homo-sexuality is included]

  is sin.

   I am content with 'all men bound up in disobedience"/corrupt image; on one side of the scales...with all men receive the free gift

promised seed/redeemed and bear the incorrupt image on the other side through Christ.  that's perfect justice/balance.


  now 'cheating' scales go like this..my adultery/fornication is less than your homosexuality/fornication as far as the 'weightiness' goes

   ...or like this...'my homosexuality is not sin/it is acceptable to God"

  staring at the son and going blind..as justice with the pair of scales in her hand..finds all men justified in Christ.........

  BUT HOW WILL YOU SEE THE FORM AND LIKENESS OF GOD?And how will you see Him eye to eye/face to face and be just like

Him..if we disagree with Him about what is sin/what is acceptable and what is not. Is God a homosexual/adulterer/fornicator

liar/theif?   It is about the next step of sanctification..Father I have sanctified myself..that they may be sanctified.


   God justifies the wicked..by the blood of His son..but He also sanctifies the Holy...and we all must be sanctified to be

delivered from the wicked[image].and see eye to eye with God

[eaglesway]

Whether by confession and washing, or by correction and purging, we all will be both reconciled and santified.

Confession is the easier way.

When I kept silent,
    my bones wasted away
    through my groaning all day long.
4 For day and night
    your hand was heavy on me;
my strength was sapped
    as in the heat of summer.
5 Then I acknowledged my sin to you
    and did not cover up my iniquity.
I said, "I will confess
    my transgressions to the Lord."
And you forgave
    the guilt of my sin.

[darryl]

agreed..the purging/ correction/chastising in the LoF will be a rather unpleasant experience I'd wager,for ALL unrepentant sinners not just unrepentant practicing homosexuals in a loving committed stable long term relationship such as marriage, if indeed that is a sin in the eyes of God ,I'm still not 100% convinced that it is but it probably is.

[darryl]

well..they say justice is blind. she is pictured holding a scale in her hand with a blindfold on. They say love is blind,too.........

    thus it blots out all your sins..does not hold them against you and keeps no record of the injury.

   but the harlot eats..wipes her mouth..and says..'I have not sinned"

  if homosexuality was listed as a sin..confessed to...He is faithful to forgive and not hold it against us...but it is this............

      'it is NOT sin" that is the problem..for we call God a liar. All murder,adultery and fornication[of which homo-sexuality is included]

  is sin.

   I am content with 'all men bound up in disobedience"/corrupt image; on one side of the scales...with all men receive the free gift

promised seed/redeemed and bear the incorrupt image on the other side through Christ.  that's perfect justice/balance.


  now 'cheating' scales go like this..my adultery/fornication is less than your homosexuality/fornication as far as the 'weightiness' goes

   ...or like this...'my homosexuality is not sin/it is acceptable to God"

  staring at the son and going blind..as justice with the pair of scales in her hand..finds all men justified in Christ.........

  BUT HOW WILL YOU SEE THE FORM AND LIKENESS OF GOD?And how will you see Him eye to eye/face to face and be just like

Him..if we disagree with Him about what is sin/what is acceptable and what is not. Is God a homosexual/adulterer/fornicator

liar/theif?   It is about the next step of sanctification..Father I have sanctified myself..that they may be sanctified.


   God justifies the wicked..by the blood of His son..but He also sanctifies the Holy...and we all must be sanctified to be

delivered from the wicked[image].and see eye to eye with God

yes, but what of the homosexual who is genetically programmed (among other things) to be homosexual...is it his/ her fault they are gay ?..should he/ she be doomed to spend a life of loneliness without benefit of marriage ?..what does Love say about that ?...what is the spirit of Love ?..what did Jesus say about love vs the law ?..hmmm, weighty questions indeed...I do not have the answers...do you ?...does anybody ?..maybe only God knows, in the end.

[sheila]

what? don't you know we all inherited sin and corruption..through one man.all of us are genetically altered and corrupt..men and woman are genetically programmed to mate,too.

does that mean we fornicate..committ adultery. It's no different. This then is TRUE....God bound up all men in disobedience......

and the creature was subjected to vanity,not of it's own will,but by the will of He who subjected it..in order that the whole creation

be set free into the glorious liberty of the sons of God.

   what of men women that can not find a marriage partner? same thing.what of the divorced/widowed? same thing.


   ours is a pitiable condition,no doubt,all of us. Is it fair to be born in Africa during a famine and starve to death? is it fair

to undergo female circumcision where any hope of a natural marriage relationship being mutually satisfying is impossible?

   worship in SPIRIT AND TRUTH

  this then is the love of God..that He gave His only begotton son for us all...that He extends mercy unto us all...and that He will

deliver us all from the wicked one/corrupt image we all bear......just don't say our corrupt image is the image/likeness of God.


     it is the job of the Holy spirit to convict of sin.the job of the priest to make known to the people the difference between the profane

and holy. God help us all!

 

[guest5685]

The sin the Holy Ghost will convict of John 16 vs 8-9

And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

Everything else the law will condemn. :eek: That is why he is the potter so as we believe and behold him he changes us otherwise we still can boast in our own efforts at sanctification. It sounds like Grace is giving a license but in reality Grace is the only true deliverance. As we behold him we shall be like him. If we don't behold him we will behold sin and judge his apparent lack of ability to change the behaviour of others. I'm thinking that might be the greater sin or missing of the mark. That doesn't mean we condone or approve of their flesh's actions but if God doesn't change them who are we to judge them.

Speaking of a priest to tell teach the difference between the holy and profane. If we share Christ and his love that is the holy if we turn folks into lawyers that I think is profane.

I never thought like that until recently but it's really something to consider. :Chinscratch:

I'm not saying my thinking on this subject 100% perfect but my heart wants to let me love them and let God change them if he desires to do that on his time schedule.

[sheila]

I LIKE YOUR THINKING!!

[sheila]

for He shall appear unto us again...seperate from sin.

[guest5685]

I LIKE YOUR THINKING!!

Thank You-Sheila :HeartThrob:

[marie glen]

The sin the Holy Ghost will convict of John 16 vs 8-9

And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

Everything else the law will condemn. :eek: That is why he is the potter so as we believe and behold him he changes us otherwise we still can boast in our own efforts at sanctification. It sounds like Grace is giving a license but in reality Grace is the only true deliverance. As we behold him we shall be like him. If we don't behold him we will behold sin and judge his apparent lack of ability to change the behaviour of others. I'm thinking that might be the greater sin or missing of the mark. That doesn't mean we condone or approve of their flesh's actions but if God doesn't change them who are we to judge them.

Speaking of a priest to tell teach the difference between the holy and profane. If we share Christ and his love that is the holy if we turn folks into lawyers that I think is profane.

I never thought like that until recently but it's really something to consider. :Chinscratch:

I'm not saying my thinking on this subject 100% perfect but my heart wants to let me love them and let God change them if he desires to do that on his time schedule.

I like your thinking too! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Especially "my heart wants to let me love them and let God change them if he desires to do that on his time schedule."

and "If we share Christ and his love that is the holy if we turn folks into lawyers that I think is profane." and "If we don't behold him we will behold sin and judge his apparent lack of ability to change the behaviour of others." -- to not trust His Grace and Power!

And I read today "Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance?" Romans 2:4 :dsunny: