Keeping the Commands

[universalist1949]

I recently was engaged in a drawn out discussion with Bible Students at Present Truth Forum.They believe that not all will be saved. Dispite their belief that that not all but most will be saved the moderator of the site and others do not believe that believers need to keep the 10 Commands. I do believe that we should keep the Commands which includes the 4th Command of keeping the Sabbath. What is the position of UR believers concerning this issue here?

[rosered]

Oh dear Uni

  There is so  many perspectives , it is according to your faith  are some many foundations laid ....

  Only One is Christ   Jesus that stands the test ...  Jesus told us all the law and prophets are hung on these two , Love God and  your brother as yourself    . .

    To me JESUS IS OUR  SABBATH DAY and rest    this is my faith  and live by it ..   this   may not be  yours or anothers faith  ....   

  Paul said in Romans   14 , let no man  judge your faith or cause your brother to stumble   because of your  own faith before the Lord  God ,  If you read this    you will see it is not our place to judge   the law nor your   brothers   faith in God ,,,  continue to pray to the Lord  for all including yourself to come to the knowledge of the Truth   ..
God is the righteous judge of" all things"   that pertain to Him and what is His ...

  We can only share our faith in the Lord  and why we believe as we do ....

  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+14+&version=NRSV

  God bless   :HeartThrob:

[sheila]

I think it varies..individually. I do not keep the 'sabbath' outwardly but fulfill it spiritually...by resting in Jesus Christ and His finished work.

..thus,I know that I am not righteous by keeping the law/Sabbath as a command for my flesh[no flesh pleases God] but by ceasing

from my own 'works' as it pertains to having any righteousness of my own/and believing in Jesus Christ/having faith in Him and His

finished work...I am declared righteous through faith/apart from works.

  for the whole law hangs on these two..love God with your whole mind/heart/body..and love your brother as yourself....

   I worked for years..on Sabbath as a nurse..love for fellowman fulfilled the Sabbath[is it lawful to kill or heal on the sabbath?]

....let no man judge you as regard to a holy day...anyone that seeks to kill/judge/condemn a fellowman as to Sabbath keeping

   is not keeping the Lords commands[judge not/kill or heal on sabbath lawful] nor following the holy spirit[and the holy spirit

  keep from idolatry/things strangled/blood and fornication]       my  :2c:

[guest5685]

 :thumbsup: Yeah for nurses! They really deserve a big thanks! They have to put up with patients and doctors to help develop their patience. LOL  :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob: :Peace2:

[sheila]

ps..Jesus fulfilled the law/that means He fulfilled the Sabbath,too.even though religious leaders condemned him for Sabbath breaking

when He healed on the Sabbath..and continued to do His Father's works on the Sabbath.

[sheila]

interesting aside..no court/judicial judgements were held on the Sabbath..or other holy days/due to law against writing on the Sabbath

  so you see..if you are in Christ no man can judge you/or write down an account[love does not keep account of the offense]against you.

lest he himself not keep the law he is accusing you of/you that judge law/are not keeping the law.

[marie glen]

I agree with Rose and Sheila.. I believe we are free.. Free to observe the sabbath -"one day above another" or to "esteem all days alike".. And believe the " sabbath was made for man and not man for the sabbath"..

I wish I could keep sabbath - but because I "adapt myself to my own husband" I simply can't, I would observe it as a choice tho and not commandment as I figure we have one commandment - "the law was our tutor before  being in Jesus" and Jesus head of the new agreement/ treaty we have with God gave us the one commandment, love " love works no ill".

Actually "love God" for then we draw near to Him, the only source of goodness. And it is thru loving Him that we are enabled/filled, to be able to truly love others.

I'm also reminded of Paul wrote if we mix the law with "grace" we are fallen from grace..

So I would observe sabbath as a preference and choice but not as a new testament rule as I try not to fall under the spell of self effort as that doesn't work, I don't believe and actually believe it robs the gospel and word / spirit of its saving and transforming POWER.

And to me, self effort at goodness, rather than He as the goodness which fills us and transforms us from faith to faith, following the law and self effort seems to me to imply - I earned my salvation.. But it is a gift.

Although of course The Law is an excellent guide as to good and evil.. But sabbath I believe was to insure a day off rather than ceaseless work.. Hebrews 4 compares law and grace..  As does Galatians and others..

Sabbath as a privilege, to me, yes, but as a requirement, no, though quiet resting time in Him reading His Word and prayer, preferably daily is of great benefit.

God bless.. I am sure others here may view this differently, so "let no one judge you concerning the sabbath or meats" - Romans 14, Colossians ?

God bless! :smile:  :Peace2:

[Ross]

I think it varies..individually. I do not keep the 'sabbath' outwardly but fulfill it spiritually...by resting in Jesus Christ and His finished work.

..thus,I know that I am not righteous by keeping the law/Sabbath as a command for my flesh[no flesh pleases God] but by ceasing

from my own 'works' as it pertains to having any righteousness of my own/and believing in Jesus Christ/having faith in Him and His

finished work...I am declared righteous through faith/apart from works.

  for the whole law hangs on these two..love God with your whole mind/heart/body..and love your brother as yourself....

   I worked for years..on Sabbath as a nurse..love for fellowman fulfilled the Sabbath[is it lawful to kill or heal on the sabbath?]

....let no man judge you as regard to a holy day...anyone that seeks to kill/judge/condemn a fellowman as to Sabbath keeping

   is not keeping the Lords commands[judge not/kill or heal on sabbath lawful] nor following the holy spirit[and the holy spirit

  keep from idolatry/things strangled/blood and fornication]       my  :2c:

Good 2c.
I.M.O the Sabbath meant doing no works other than the basics of the day.
We are in our Sabbath as far as personal works for salvation goes. A day of rest.

[Seth]

 :thumbsup:

[universalist1949]

Thank you for all of the replies. I keep the Sabbath because without the Commands we do not know what sin is. Only the Commandments tell us what sin is. Besides...

In Matthew 19:16, Jesus was asked what must be done to inherit eternal life. His answer: "If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments" (Matthew 19:17). Jesus then listed several, including enough of the Ten Commandments to make clear which commandments He meant: " 'You shall not murder,' 'You shall not commit adultery,' 'You shall not steal,' 'You shall not bear false witness,' 'Honor your father and your mother,' and, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself' " (Matthew 19:18-19).

Today some people will tell you that keeping the commandments was fulfilled by Christ and obeying God's law is therefore no longer required. But notice what Jesus Himself had to say about this idea: "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill" (Matthew 5:17).

Some try to deny His plain, simple statement by interpreting the verse to mean the law was not abolished until Jesus came and fulfilled it. They then interpret "fulfill" as "bringing to an end," "superseding" or some other synonym for "abolishing." In essence they have Jesus saying, "I did not come to abolish the law, but to abolish it."

Jesus, on the other hand, said heaven and earth would disappear before the smallest part of the law would do so (Matthew 5:18). He said the law would continue until everything is accomplished. Because the fulfillment of many biblical prophecies of Christ's second coming is yet to occur (the prophecies have not yet been accomplished), we know the law has not ceased to exist.

The truth of the matter is that Jesus was speaking to people who believed in keeping all of the Ten Commandments. He reaffirmed the necessity for all who come to Him to do likewise. In Matthew chapters 5-7 Jesus explained how God intended for the Ten Commandments to be kept. By giving this explanation and exemplifying it in His life, He was fulfilling a prophecy about Himself from Isaiah 42:21: "The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law and make it honorable" (King James Version).

The word fulfill in Matthew 5:17 means "fill up," "make full," "fill to the full" or "complete." Jesus came to magnify, or fill completely full, the meaning of God's law. Jesus' teaching that a man who lusts after a woman has already committed adultery in his mind represented Jesus' magnification of all of the Ten Commandments. He explained the full meaning—the spiritual intent—of the commandments. He showed that He expects more than just a legalistic, letter-of-the-law approach; He also expects a submissive, yielded mind focused on love for God and love for our fellow man.

Jesus further clarifies: "Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven" (Matthew 5:19).

Clearly, fulfill does not mean "abolish"!

Another common misunderstanding is that the New Testament Church came to believe that it is not necessary to follow Christ's example of obeying the law. But His apostles, who were personally taught by Him, certainly did not agree with this idea.

The apostle John said: "Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. He who says, 'I know Him,' and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked" (1 John 2:3-6).

Even the apostle Paul, who is most often cited by those attempting to do away with God's law, himself refuted this erroneous idea, saying, "Imitate me, just as I also imitate Christ" (1 Corinthians 11:1). Far from condemning the law, Paul said, "The law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good" (Romans 7:12) and, "I delight in the law of God" (Romans 7:22). Indeed, he said that "keeping the commandments of God is what matters" (1 Corinthians 7:19).

We must avoid reading our own ideas into the Bible. Quoting from the prophet Isaiah, our Savior warned against trusting our own ideas instead of the laws of God: " 'This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.' For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men ... All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition" (Mark 7:6-9).

Today people who do not understand UR think that we believe that we can sin everyday since Yahweh will restore everyone to eternal life. Of course we should be an example or salt to the world. That is why I believe that we must be sure we follow Christ's example instead of our own ideas

[eaglesway]

Only the Commandments tell us what sin is.

IMO, the Holy Spirit tells us what sin is.

But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you. "And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment; concerning sin, because they do not believe in Me;


Paul was very clear about the law. The law is good, but it is only a tutor, leading us to a relationship with Jesus the Messiah in the Spirit. A shadow of the full reality of relationship with YHWH in Messiah.

Neither circumcision or uncircumcision is anything- but a new creation.

The law was good, but a higher law has come- the divine nature within, Christ in you the hope of glory.

A new commandment I give unto you. Love one another.

So with my mind I agree that the law is good, but another law is working in my members. Who will free me from the body of this death. Thank God for Jesus Christ! He lives within me and I live, yet not I, and the life I live in the flesh I live by the faith if the Son of God.

Jesus plainly said that love fulfills the commandments, and that all the law and the prophets are summed up in those two commandments, to love God wholeheartedly, and love you neighbor as yourself.

People who walk in love fulfill the Ten Commandments through the life of Jesus Christ in them.

As to the Sabbath, if someone wants to keep the Sabbath, I think it is a healthy practice, but not something that should be required, because some people are walking in a Sabbath life that transcends individual days, which is what we are really called to do.

[rosered]

Only the Commandments tell us what sin is.

IMO, the Holy Spirit tells us what sin is.

But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you. "And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment; concerning sin, because they do not believe in Me;


Paul was very clear about the law. The law is good, but it is only a tutor, leading us to a relationship with Jesus the Messiah in the Spirit. A shadow of the full reality of relationship with YHWH in Messiah.

Neither circumcision or uncircumcision is anything- but a new creation.

The law was good, but a higher law has come- the divine nature within, Christ in you the hope of glory.

A new commandment I give unto you. Love one another.

So with my mind I agree that the law is good, but another law is working in my members. Who will free me from the body of this death. Thank God for Jesus Christ! He lives within me and I live, yet not I, and the life I live in the flesh I live by the faith if the Son of God.

Jesus plainly said that love fulfills the commandments, and that all the law and the prophets are summed up in those two commandments, to love God wholeheartedly, and love you neighbor as yourself.

People who walk in love fulfill the Ten Commandments through the life of Jesus Christ in them.

As to the Sabbath, if someone wants to keep the Sabbath, I think it is a healthy practice, but not something that should be required, because some people are walking in a Sabbath life that transcends individual days, which is what we are really called to do.

  Amen !  and amen  , beautifully  said    ,  John !!    :HeartThrob:

[sheila]

 :thumbsup:  the law etc a mere shadow of the reality...........the 1000 yr reign of Christ is the true Sabbath.

[Seth]

 :thumbsup:

2 Cor 3
7Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!

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The law is holy, but unable to bring righteousness because of the lack of Spirit which was not given to the people until after Chris ascended. The Law on tablet and parchment could only tell a brick wall not to be a brick wall. The Spirit saves from sin because it is internal and changes the heart, and brings the wall down.

It's not that morality goes astray without the Law, it's that the Spirit changes the desires of the heart so that you don't need 10 commandments to tell you not to do something you already don't want to do, like murder or covet.

[universalist1949]

This is what I do not get. When our Savior was asked what must be done for eternal life it was always ...(something) and keep the Commands. How is it that respondents always quote other Scriptures (which are valid) which seem to eliminate the need to ignore the  Commands. Yes our Savior gave us the new command of love but He did not say to ignore the Commands, In fact, He plainly stated that not dot of the law is now invalid but rather He came to fulfill the law.  Does it make any sense that Yahshua (JESUS) and the Apostles state that we must obey (follow) the Commands but then one or a few other Scriptures seems to say the opposite. No, I thinks not. All scripture must
harmonize. 

[Seth]

Jesus said "keep the commands" for someone who was under the Law. He hadn't died and been resurrected yet.

Again, people with the Holy Spirit, who WALK according to the Spirit don't need laws to tell them not to murder. They already don't want to commit murder.

That is why the Bible says that the Law is not for the righteous but for murderers (1 Tim 1:9)

[trettep]

I recently was engaged in a drawn out discussion with Bible Students at Present Truth Forum.They believe that not all will be saved. Dispite their belief that that not all but most will be saved the moderator of the site and others do not believe that believers need to keep the 10 Commands. I do believe that we should keep the Commands which includes the 4th Command of keeping the Sabbath. What is the position of UR believers concerning this issue here?

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/barnabas.html

To me Barnabas says it well. 

CHAPTER XV.--THE FALSE AND THE TRUE SABBATH.

Further, also, it is written concerning the Sabbath in the Decalogue which [the Lord] spoke, face to face, to Moses on Mount Sinai, "And sanctify ye the Sabbath of the Lord with clean hands and a pure heart." And He says in another place, "If my sons keep the Sabbath, then will I cause my mercy to rest upon them." The Sabbath is mentioned at the beginning of the creation [thus]: "And God made in six days the works of His hands, and made an end on the seventh day, and rested on it, and sanctified it." Attend, my children, to the meaning of this expression, "He finished in six days." This implieth that the Lord will finish all things in six thousand years, for a day is with Him a thousand years. And He Himself testifieth, saying, "Behold, to-day will be as a thousand years." Therefore, my children, in six days, that is, in six thousand years, all things will be finished. "And He rested on the seventh day." This meaneth: when His Son, coming [again], shall destroy the time of the wicked man, and judge the ungodly, and change the-sun, and the moon, and the stars, then shall He truly rest on the seventh day. Moreover, He says, "Thou shalt sanctify it with pure hands and a pure heart." If, therefore, any one can now sanctify the day which God hath sanctified, except he is pure in heart in all things, we are deceived. Behold, therefore: certainly then one properly resting sanctifies it, when we ourselves, having received the promise, wickedness no longer existing, and all things having been made new by the Lord, shall be able to work righteousness. Then we shall be able to sanctify it, having been first sanctified ourselves. Further, He says to them, "Your new moons and your Sabbath I cannot endure." Ye perceive how He speaks: Your present Sabbaths are not acceptable to Me, but that is which I have made, [namely this,] when, giving rest to all things, I shall make a beginning of the eighth day, that is, a beginning of another world. Wherefore, also, we keep the eighth day with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead. And when He had manifested Himself, He ascended into the heavens.

[Seth]

The simplest way I have been able to explain my understanding of it is that the Law tells a carnal man not to act carnally. That's like telling a wolf not to behave like a wolf, or a cobra not to behave like a cobra. That's what made the Law both holy and weak. Not weak in its ability to reflect God, but in its ability to affect change.

The Spirit makes the change happen so that we can live morally and also free from Law, because once the change comes we don't need to live by a legal code. Morality becomes instinctual and natural.

[marie glen]

 
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: Seth, you said that perfectly!

...amen it's true we do keep the commandments, through His Spirit in us - "Love works no ill"

the 3 L's - law - love - license

"Grace" is not license and is not thought to be license by those truly indwelt with His Spirit.. for such a one "cannot sin" / practice sin..

The law says, don't commit adultery.. but Grace gets to the root.. don't be straying in your heart. Have your own mate and think of no others..

Do not murder.. grace says do not be angry without cause (hate)

Grace of His indwelling Spirit.. does not hate.. because His Spirit does not hate.. Jesus said 'why call me good, there is only one who is good" - no other source of goodness... beware lest you not enter His rest through unbelief.. as Israel did.. the law (self effort) is simply not good enough.. and there is no source of goodness which originates within us. If I pride myself on keeping the law.. well..

Hebrews 4 talks about what the true Sabbath of God is.. of which the 7th day was a shadow..

If I wanted to require the 7th day for myself.. perhaps that would be okay but never require it of others.. I may require it of myself not to eat meat.. but not if I'm counting on these things to earn me approval from Him.. the only approval from Him is Jesus.. all else the Word calls not up to par.. rags..

[rosered]

AMEN   carnally minded is death    ,  what does death have to do with LIFE ?   1 JOHN3 Love One Another!!


...13Do not be surprised, brethren, if the world hates you.


14We know that we have passed out of death into life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love abides in death.


15Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer; and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.... :HeartThrob:

[universalist1949]

Some thoughts.
Blessings for Sabbath observance

"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it." Exo 20:8-11

We see here there is a blessing for observing the fourth Commandment.

Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God. Exo 31:15-18

It is a sign that we are God's Child and He is our Father.

"For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God." Rom 2:28+29

"Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the Sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.
Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.
For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my Sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;" 
Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.
Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the Sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;"  Isa 56:2-6

In the Bible the name frequently represents a person Character.  When their was a change in character a new name was given ( Jacob to Israel and Saul to Paul).  The blessing here is a transformed character - New Birth.   Not earned but a free gift.  ... "I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:" Heb 8:10

If thou turn away thy foot from the Sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the Sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it. Isa 58:13-14

The Messiah is the Heritage of Jacob.  Jesus Christ is this heritage which will feed us.  "I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world." John 6:51

"For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD." Isa 66:22-23

Sabbath will be observed in the new earth.  The Blessing will continue.

Thus saith the LORD; Take heed to yourselves, and bear no burden on the Sabbath day, nor bring it in by the gates of Jerusalem;
Neither carry forth a burden out of your houses on the Sabbath day, neither do ye any work, but hallow ye the Sabbath day, as I commanded your fathers.
But they obeyed not, neither inclined their ear, but made their neck stiff, that they might not hear, nor receive instruction.
And it shall come to pass, if ye diligently hearken unto me, saith the LORD, to bring in no burden through the gates of this city on the Sabbath day, but hallow the Sabbath day, to do no work therein;
Then shall there enter into the gates of this city kings and princes sitting upon the throne of David, riding in chariots and on horses, they, and their princes, the men of Judah, and the inhabitants of Jerusalem: and this city shall remain for ever.
And they shall come from the cities of Judah, and from the places about Jerusalem, and from the land of Benjamin, and from the plain, and from the mountains, and from the south, bringing burnt offerings, and sacrifices, and meat offerings, and incense, and bringing sacrifices of praise, unto the house of the LORD.
But if ye will not hearken unto me to hallow the Sabbath day, and not to bear a burden, even entering in at the gates of Jerusalem on the Sabbath day; then will I kindle a fire in the gates thereof, and it shall devour the palaces of Jerusalem, and it shall not be quenched."  Jer 17:21-27

There is a blessing to a nation for Sabbath observance, and a curse for violation.  The reason the USA has and is currently blessed is because it has protected the religious freedom of those who follow all the Commandment of God.  This nation is blessed because of the presence of Sabbath Keepers. If this nation should apostasies from it position of religious freedom, our national blessing from God will depart. God bless America!

"For the Son of man is Lord even of the Sabbath day." Mat 12:8

"And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up for to read." Luke 4:16

Our Lord by Observing the Sabbath add a blessing to His day.

[sheila]

the law was written unto the lawless..and the sabbath law was for the lawless that they be restrained from any of their 'work' which is evil" on

that day[the law was added because of transgression] The Lord of the Sabbath says it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.

   if you would examine the 1000year Sabbath day /reign of the Lord..you will see Satan is bound that Sabbath day from doing his evil

  works..this should show you why the sabbath was created for the benefit of man..and not man for the benefit of the Sabbath.

[sheila]

He also told them to pray that their flight would not occur in winter or on the Sabbath...as He knew  the offspring of vipers in the pharisee's

and sadducee's and even Roman armies surrounding..would kill rather than save life on the Sabbath. and even hinder the escape

for their lives.

[sheila]

...and I have a question for you..do you also keep the Sabbath 'year'  every 7 years..no work..for the whole year/no planting/harvesting?
   Lev ch 25..........

[Ross]

Good points from both sides of the Sabbath discussion.
I.M.O a key question is,
   " Why did Christ specifically  heal on the Sabbath?"

This was the point that was irking the scribes and Pharisees.

Paul specifies the law and grace difference in Romans and Galations.
Gal 3;18 " For if the inheritance is based on the law it is no longer based on the promise, but God gave it to Abraham through a promise.'
Gal 3;24-26 " The law was our disciplinarian until the time of Christ, so that we might be declared righteous by faith.. Now this time has come we are no longer under a guardian. For you are all sons of God through faith in Jesus."
Gal 4;4,5 " But when the fullness of time had come, God sent His Son, born of a woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive the adoption as sons."