John 12 YLT

[anti_nietzsche]

John 12 YLT

44And Jesus cried and said, 'He who is believing in me, doth not believe in me, but in Him who sent me; 45and he who is beholding me, doth behold Him who sent me; 46I a light to the world have come, that every one who is believing in me — in the darkness may not remain; 47and if any one may hear my sayings, and not believe, I — I do not judge him, for I came not that I might judge the world, but that I might save the world. 48'He who is rejecting me, and not receiving my sayings, hath one who is judging him, the word that I spake, that will judge him in the last day, 49because I spake not from myself, but the Father who sent me, He did give me a command, what I may say, and what I may speak, 50and I have known that His command is life age-during; what, therefore, I speak, according as the Father hath said to me, so I speak.'

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This is really interesting for UR believers, because in the original greek it does not say "the word that I spake" but instead "the word that I speak". It's not that the words of Christ of that time would judge someone in the last day, but probably simply a new word, that Christ would speak to these people who did not receive him in this life, and judge them anew, without condemnation, or else the words about not condemning would make no sense.

[sheila]

    :thumbsup:  man does not live by bread alone...but by 'EVERY WORD" out of the mouth of God.

   .....and ABRAHAM BELieVED GOD....AND IT WAS COUNTED UNTO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.........

    faith..is believing what God has told us.     the Holy spirit that teacheth us...that will speak of what pertains to Jesus Christ...

   and will lead us into ALL truth........must also be beleived!!!!!!!!!!  REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST..

   the NEW CREATION..is hearing NEW THINGS IT BELIEVES FROM GOD...............the NEW COVENANT SPEAKS BETTER THINGS!

                                                                                      :dsunny:

[rosered]

Amen !! :thumbsup:

   the  law and ministration of death   ,  that age   passes away making all things new   [IN AND THOUGH AND BECAUSE OF ], JESUS  CHRIST  , THE GRACE OF GOD  , GIFT   to us [mankind ]

[anti_nietzsche]

I don't think anymore that salvation in the sense of being rescued perdition after death, is based so much on belief. Because, unbelief is not met by condemnation but by forgiveness. So part of salvation is being done without us doing anything about it. Also consider the cross, Jesus said there, "It is finished!", and I think he already meant salvation. It's like Jesus meets all of us on that cross, and forgives us all, "Father forgive them, for they know not what they are doing!". Jesus is one of such a kind that does not want to condemn. Judging in Jesus' sense never means damnation, because God takes responsibility for us children whom he has made. He simply loves us and actually He has loved us before we were born, and before we did anything righteous. In this life here in this world there is trouble, but this is so that we would learn a few things. The value of love. The value of humans helping each other. The value of mercy and kindness.

[rosered]

  Hi Daniel /anti_nietzsche ,

I have  this  comparison  , and will share it , because I garden every year and have seen things . and using this ''idea''  helps to see the spiritual things in motion 
when comparing between the two ..
If you can see the Last day   as harvest , and This was  done with the corn  this year [ done all in one day  having a total    ''worked up for the freezer''  storage  for food ] a process  of bearing ''food ''.  spiritual in comparison , seed / Word of God  /'' Christ''   Hope ,that anointing  ,for next years cycle  and  purpose   for hard times when nothing is  available in winter .[dead zone ]  and new life waiting to ''spring forth '' /seed that remains to be planted .

  But some were taken early for use [before the time appointed [ Harvest]    they were tender  and young  and not quiet ''full ears'' .
We have the deer blocked out by electric fence  and do not let them in till we got everything we want from this garden ..  but little critters get in though the fence in weak spots  and begin damaging the stalks  and eating the corn  early [ squirrels and racoons and yes even crows  , but they are more of a problem  when planting ,they  pick the young tender shoots up out of the ground when the kernel  is still   pretty much contained ... 

all this is loss  along the way   to the finished [ Harvest] End of a cycle  done every year /perpetual ADJECTIVE [an age or for that cycle of life and death and  new life from what remains  for next years cycle and harvest  to start over again
never ending or changing:

synonyms: everlasting · never-ending · eternal · permanent · [more]
occurring repeatedly; so frequent as to seem endless and uninterrupted:

synonyms: interminable · incessant · ceaseless · endless

So lets l start from the beginning [cycle ]    the seeds planted,    rows of corn , spiritually  being   the [Word of God ]   ...

Our hearts are the fresh tilled ground/earth /flesh    ready for seed [ Word of God , Jesus uses this parable  of the seed  as well


But    every ear   and every  year we have ''different  elements '' to contend with  .. such as   frosts when planted to early and replanting   is a must , same for  folks  given the seed / Word of God and anointing / Christ = seed of faith     

  we have  to endure   ''pests ''  and problems    of all kinds  during the cycle of life that can cause death to that  plant at  any time    ..army worms , etc

a Plant is  comparing , like a human being ,  you have storms of life that can  cause damage  to the  stalks  , we have wet spells that cause rot , and some dry spells that can  cause   loss and  , you can plant every seed and  give it every chance and some are so tough  they survive against all odds !!

  And every one was  planted exactly at the same time and same way  , yet some make more ears on the stalk and some only one ''good '' ear  and some just stalk only  ,   some never rise up out of the ground and leave a  ''empty place '' between rows     

  and  every one[seed]  was given the exact  same  ''chance ''  ....   
  So how can we as  human beings  figure out  ''Why ?''    ,  So for me it is  , God  in  complete control , knowing what  makes it to harvest and what is lost along the way     making it impossible for   one   seed     able to make  an ear of corn to compare its  chance  with another    seed   , if it is lost along   this whole cycle    from  year to  year and   what God purposes for His  own  use 

  To me I would compare   this whole ''life in the flesh ''   down here in the ground as a  year[continual cycle ] or  day [harvest] ,  the cycle complete    in Gods design     Him being the   Farmer and harvester of souls  ...    As I have seen  it , it is impossible to tell  by looking  what  will ''make it '' and what dies in the process ...    so for me it is   the mystery  of  faith in   GOD ,  Only God can know and be glorified as far a purpose goes    , making  God the only one deserving of praise ...   Because it is all because of Him  anything exist     at all .

:HeartThrob:
  I hope this helps in some small way  ,    it has been a comfort to me  ,  and considered it worth sharing ..  God bless