Born Again?

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  Hi Tom I believe the Spiritual Body is Christ

  the mystery of Christ and His Church  is very profound in meaning   and understanding this mystery    and how Christ gave His life for Her 
those predestined    by God   were chosen to be in the world but not of it      and come out of    HIS SIDE  /rib   bone of His bone and flesh of His flesh [not the same as human flesh  ,    this was   though conception of the Holy Spirit      and was more than just   a mortal   body  when He walked the earth as Human   in my opinion ,       and  though water  of the Word and blood of Life    is the birthing of the sons of God  , flesh of His  flesh and bone of His bone  ARE THE  CHRIST AND HIS CHURCH    making new creatures in Christ and holy offspring   ,    Just as woman was made for man    so was the  Church  made for Christ    , being fruitful and multiplying   , though the   seed   which is  Christ and one of a kind   of itself    ,    in the earth   

same birthing  method of a natural birth    though intimacy , we see this as a  picture of  something not explainable     in mere human terms but ,




Eph 5  touches on it

   6 Do not let anyone ·fool [deceive] you ·by telling you things that are not true [or with shallow philosophies; L with empty words], because these things will bring God's ·anger [wrath] on ·those who do not obey him [L the children/sons of disobedience].

7 So ·have nothing to do with them [or do not partner/associate with them]. 8 In the past you were ·full of darkness [L darkness], but now you are ·full of light [L light] in the Lord.

So ·live [walk] like children ·who belong to [living in; L of] the light.



9 ·Light brings [L For the fruit of the light is] every kind of goodness, ·right living [righteousness], and truth.

10 ·Try to learn [Discern; Test and prove] what pleases the Lord.


11 ·Have nothing to do with [Take no part in] the things done in darkness, which are ·not worth anything [L unfruitful].

But ·show that they are wrong [expose them].


12 [L For] It is shameful even to talk about what those people do in secret.


13 But the light makes all things ·easy to see [visible; exposed],


14 and everything that is ·made easy to see [visible; exposed] ·can become [or becomes a; L is] light. This is why it is said:

"Wake up, sleeper!
    Rise from death,
and Christ will ·shine on [give light to] you [C likely an early Christian hymn based on Is. 26:19 and 60:1–2]."


15 So be very careful how you ·live [walk]. Do not ·live [walk] like those who are ·not wise [foolish], but ·live wisely [like those who are wise].

16 ·Take advantage of every opportunity [or Make the most of your time; L ...redeeming the time/season], because ·these are evil times [L the days are evil].


17 So do not be ·foolish [ignorant] but ·learn what the Lord wants you to do [or understand the Lord's will].


18 Do not be drunk with wine, which ·will ruin you [is debauchery/reckless living], but be filled with the Spirit.



19 ·Speak [L ...speaking] to each other with psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs, singing and making music in your hearts to the Lord. 20 ·Always give [L ...always giving] thanks to God the Father for everything, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Wives and Husbands
21 ·Yield [Submit; Be subject; L ...yielding/submitting; C grammatically linked to the previous sentence, and so part of being filled with the Spirit] to each other out of ·reverence [respect; fear; awe] for Christ.

22 Wives, ·yield to [submit to; be subject to; L to] your husbands, as you do to the Lord,

23 because the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ is the head of the church. And he is the Savior of the body, which is the church. 24 As the church ·yields [submits; is subject] to Christ, so you wives should ·yield [submit; be subject] to your husbands in everything [Col. 3:18; 1 Pet. 3:1–6].

25 Husbands, love your wives as Christ loved the church [Col. 3:19; 1 Pet. 3:7] and gave himself for her 26 to ·make her holy [sanctify her], cleansing her in the washing of water by the word [C the "washing" may be (1) baptism, (2) spiritual cleansing (Titus 3:5), or (3) an analogy drawn from the Jewish prenuptial bath (Ezek. 16:8–14); the "word" may be (1) the Gospel, (2) a baptismal formula, or (3) the confession of the one baptized].


27 He did this so that he could present the church to himself ·like a bride in all her beauty [in splendor; glorious], with no ·evil or sin [L stain or wrinkle] or any other ·wrong thing in it [L such thing], but ·pure [holy] and ·without fault [blameless]. 28 In the same way, husbands should love their wives as they love their own bodies.

The man who loves his wife loves himself.

29 [L For] No one ever hates his own ·body [T flesh], but feeds and takes care of it. And that is what Christ does for the church,

30 because we are ·parts [members] of his body. 31 The Scripture says, "·So [For this reason] a man will leave his father and mother and be ·united [joined] with his wife, and the two will become one ·body [flesh; Gen. 2:24]."


32 This ·secret [mystery] is ·very important [or great; profound]—I am talking about Christ and the church. 33 ·But [However; In any case; or To sum up] each one of you must love his wife as he loves himself, and a wife must ·respect [reverence; v. 21] her husband.

  When Paul spoke of making  chaste virgins for Christ this is what he meant and also we have to learn to Discern the Lords Body  Just who is   belonging to Christ

and of the true Church   His Own body whom He loves and  gave Himself for   her

   Our  labour is the understand the mystery of Gods will/desire    and   Love Christ the head and all authority and   His Body the true Church   as ourselves 

this labour is not in vain  or  for nothing      ,  Labour is like  the troubles   and sufferings  of Christ & body  /Church   the woman   birthing  children to the   Lord  , bringing in the new  and living way  as Family of Gods household    ,
works is the     ownership of Being the Lords possession  and     being bought with a price    , He is     the Master    Head  of the   cause   of being about His Fathers  business      , those in the market place   being hired to serve   Him

[Tom]

I think "the body of Christ" is a "spiritual body," so to speak, but I think Paul spoke about our soulish bodies being changed to spiritual bodies when we're immortalized.

[Tom]

"Thus also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is roused in incorruption. It is sown in dishonor; it is roused in glory. It is sown in infirmity; it is roused in power. It is sown a soulish body; it is roused a spiritual body. If there is a soulish body, there is a spiritual also. Thus it is written also, The first man, Adam, "became a living soul:" the last Adam a vivifying Spirit. But not first the spiritual, but the soulish, thereupon the spiritual. The first man was out of the earth, soilish; the second Man is the Lord out of heaven. Such as the soilish one is, such are those also who are soilish, and such as the Celestial One, such are those also who are celestials. And according as we wear the image of the soilish, we should be wearing the image also of the Celestial. Now this I am averring, brethren, that flesh and blood is not able to enjoy an allotment in the kingdom of God, neither is corruption enjoying the allotment of incorruption. Lo! a secret to you am I telling! We all, indeed, shall not be put to repose, yet we all shall be changed, in an instant, in the twinkle of an eye, at the last trump. For He will be trumpeting, and the dead will be roused incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal put on immortality. Now, whenever this corruptible should be putting on incorruption and this mortal should be putting on immortality, then shall come to pass the word which is written, Swallowed up was Death by Victory. Where, O Death, is your victory? Where, O Death, is your sting?" (1 Corinthians 15:42-55)

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So ·live [walk] like children ·who belong to [living in; L of] the light.

9 ·Light brings [L For the fruit of the light is] every kind of goodness, ·right living [righteousness], and truth.

10 ·Try to learn [Discern; Test and prove] what pleases the Lord.

13 But the light makes all things ·easy to see [visible; exposed],

14 and everything that is ·made easy to see [visible; exposed] ·can become [or becomes a; L is] light. This is why it is said:

"Wake up, sleeper!
    Rise from death,
and Christ will ·shine on [give light to] you

With thankfulness we can ever approach the Beloved of our Hearts,
Who is ever waiting to listen to our petitions.
We may see more clearly if He so grants, if we so ask.
He makes it possible that we can free ourselves from the lesser self,
to penetrate into that holy of holies which He has freely opened to all through His Christ.

Father God can grant the rising above all things of physical life, body and mind,
He can grant success to those anxious to do as He would have them do,
We can pray with all our being that He makes it easier for us to separate ourselves from the earth in its earthly sense,
To contact with His Spirit,
To mingle as one in outlook and understanding.

God freely grants attunement of our hearts to spiritual things,
Through holy desire He enables us to see His wondrous Love running through all things,
In every detail of our lives.
His Love defeats the destroyers again and again.

Christ is thanked,
He has brought us through with so little on the side of loss.
He makes it possible in the days to come that we be free from that which binds,
To meet our enemies unflinchingly,
Not only overcome them but in very truth,
to hold fast through the encounter to that joy which He bestows as His gift.

The sleeper shall awake, the time is at hand!

[Tom]

http://concordant.org/expohtml/HumanDestiny/newbirth.html

[rosered]

So ·live [walk] like children ·who belong to [living in; L of] the light.

9 ·Light brings [L For the fruit of the light is] every kind of goodness, ·right living [righteousness], and truth.

10 ·Try to learn [Discern; Test and prove] what pleases the Lord.

13 But the light makes all things ·easy to see [visible; exposed],

14 and everything that is ·made easy to see [visible; exposed] ·can become [or becomes a; L is] light. This is why it is said:

"Wake up, sleeper!
    Rise from death,
and Christ will ·shine on [give light to] you

With thankfulness we can ever approach the Beloved of our Hearts,
Who is ever waiting to listen to our petitions.
We may see more clearly if He so grants, if we so ask.
He makes it possible that we can free ourselves from the lesser self,
to penetrate into that holy of holies which He has freely opened to all through His Christ.

Father God can grant the rising above all things of physical life, body and mind,
He can grant success to those anxious to do as He would have them do,
We can pray with all our being that He makes it easier for us to separate ourselves from the earth in its earthly sense,
To contact with His Spirit,
To mingle as one in outlook and understanding.

God freely grants attunement of our hearts to spiritual things,
Through holy desire He enables us to see His wondrous Love running through all things,
In every detail of our lives.
His Love defeats the destroyers again and again.

Christ is thanked,
He has brought us through with so little on the side of loss.
He makes it possible in the days to come that we be free from that which binds,
To meet our enemies unflinchingly,
Not only overcome them but in very truth,
to hold fast through the encounter to that joy which He bestows as His gift.

The sleeper shall awake, the time is at hand!

   :dsunny:   Light and knowledge of Him  , mercy is given    to those calling on Him    :thumbsup:

I believe    the unseen /invisible  is even more important  than the visible of what we  can see

   Faith   granted   in hope  by His Love is what gives us  sight and  hearing and   an understanding  heart  , this healing    from the deadly wound of sin   sickness and death

It is ALL HIM !! :HeartThrob:

[JonesHenry]

This is a VERY DIFFICULT TOPIC!



However....here is what one pastor had to say about this!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rj9T1Kj1dbs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkdlFGPjxtM



He has some bible to back him up. However he has been attacked do to surden PERSONAL reasons!



One of them is that he believes all the those who are not in christ will simply perish! Based MOSTLY on this bible verse

"For, behold, the day comes, it burns as a furnace; and all the proud, and all who work wickedness, will be stubble; and the day that comes will burn them up," says Yahweh of Armies, "that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. But to you who fear my name shall the sun of righteousness arise with healing in its wings. You will go out, and leap like calves of the stall. You shall tread down the wicked; for they will be ASHES UNDER THE SOLES OF YOUR FEET in the day that I make," says Yahweh of Armies!"

Book of Malachi chapter 4 verses 1-3


Theres A LOT ways to counter this verse! However i have to go to work REAL SOON!



First lets take up revelation!


"Behold, I come quickly. My reward is with me, to repay to each man according to his work. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. 14  Blessed are those who do his commandments,† that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter in by the gates into the city.   OUTSIDE ARE THE dogs, the sorcerers, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood. 16  I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify these things to you for the assemblies. I am the root and the offspring of David; the Bright and Morning Star."

Book of Revelation chapter 22 verses 12-16


Ok...they are OUTSIDE being CONSUMED by gods HOLY FIRE and will soon be TOTALLY DEAD!



Sorry...but Hebrew logic DOES NOT work that way!

http://judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/8921/nefesh-neshama-and-ruach-as-words-for-soul



In the Hebrew language the word "Nefesh" literally means ANIMATED CREATURE



You see...you are either DEAD or you are ALIVE!



That "other stuff" is based on Egyptian MYSTERY RELIGION, Greek so called "philosophy" and also Roman Catholic GNOSTICISM!



It's not biblical Hebrew!



Your either ALIVE OR DEAD and THATS IT!!!



Oh...and that verse in Malachi...

"But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare."

2 Peter 3:10



When Jesus comes, a lot of people are going to be BURNED!!!


(http://www.mormoninfo.org/SiteData/mormoninfo-org/jesus_return3.jpg)



This IS NOT the same the Judgment of the great white throne!  7th day adventist and other bible literalist cant except this unfortunately because..."if everyone EVENTUALLY gets to go to heaven AFTER the age lasting correction...then whats the point of serving god and following christ right now?"


Well the POINT is this = you either BELIEVE the BIBLE or you DONT!


CASE CLOSED!!!

[Caffus]

The point in serving Christ now...instead of later, is that it is only in Him that we live without Him we are dead inside we are lost looking for fulfillment elsewhere where we will never find it. In Him alone I find fulfillment, true complete love, joy, peace and lfe regardless of my circumstances.  :dsunny: