The Trees of Eden

[TheVisitor]

I see this topic was tossed around here a few years ago. That is actually how I ended up here following a Google on the phrase. I was in the process of writing a song about this subject a few years back but because it was mostly speculation on my part at the time I decided to hold off until I could receive a better understanding. It is a truth hidden in metaphor that possibly describes the world as it existed when Adam was created. Since it has been said we are "going back to Eden" it seems to be a good idea to understand what exactly happened to bring about such a tragic end to a period of such perfection. History is prone to repeat itself if we do not or can not learn from it because the truth of it has been hidden from us.

I know some were quick to put this to rest quoting "Eve was the mother of all living". Well, I've said all scripture is of compound revelation. With Jesus saying let the dead bury their dead, I think "living" has been shown to have a deeper meaning than just alive.
Eve wasn't Adam's mother was she? So she wasn't the mother of everyone alive. That must not be what was meant.
I think this merits giving the topic another look.

Back to the trees. We are told as Christians we are being planted as "trees of righteousness". Having living water coming out of our bellies or inner most being, with twelve manner of fruit and leaves for the healing of the nations. Kings and priests reigning with Christ to the nations of the earth.
The scripture in Ezekiel 31 describes trees in the garden who fall through envy of the greatest among them while part of a government that is ruling over the nations. Now go back to Genesis. God told Adam he could "eat" from all the trees in the garden (except one) and that they were good for food.

If the trees were people and God said they were good for food, then it was spiritual food they were dispensing.
Jesus said "you must eat my flesh and drink my blood or you'll have no life in you" did He not? He wasn't talking cannibalism.
He meant partaking of the Word brings life.
So these trees at one time before Adam's fall were trusted advisors and counselors standing with the Tree of Life, to speak the words of life.
Trees of righteousness. A garden planted of the Lord. Like we are to be. Planted also implies staying where you are put. Holding a position.
We then need to know what could cause these trusted advisors of the Word of God, these priests to the nations to fall.

The serpent said to Eve "your eyes will be opened and you'll be as one of the gods." Then afterwards God said nearly the same thing.
"The man has become as one of "us" knowing good from evil"...
Adam was found by God where? Hiding among the trees. Did Adam really think the forests were so thick that God could not find him?
I think not. I think he was hiding among those he had listened to and joined with. He had become as one of them. Right?
Both God and Satan had said so. Ones that God Himself had said once could be trusted. But something had changed. What changed?

For one Adam's arrival had changed something. He was the first man created as a "living soul".
He was obviously different from them. Perhaps the beginning of a different order, a different world.
Potentially a future viceroy, as a Son of God he would have been above them in the hierarchy "when" he reached the point of his adoption or placing in the Father's kingdom. But obviously, that didn't happen did it?. If he was the first man created as a living soul, what then were these others? I have my ideas, but that's all they are at this point.

They apparently had something he lacked. An understanding of good and evil for one thing. Adam was alive spiritually.
He had eternal life from before his very creation, but was not immortal. He had a body waiting, his representation in heaven.
But he didn't come through that. He came here first straight from God, to be tested and tried by the Word.
Like we did and everyone since Adam. One must be trained first for such a position. Character is not a gift, it is a victory.
"The sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp"...A child of God? Building strength through adversity.

So then we appear to be heading back into a similar situation. Back to Eden. Kings and priests, trusted counselors ruling the nations with a rod of iron. The cyclic nature of time on this world. Hopefully we will always remember where He drew us from. Only through the grace that bought us such a precious salvation paid by the price of His own blood would we ever be there.
Let us pray we never forget, like others perhaps did before us. Maybe that is still part of the test, to be so exalted someday and remain true. The seventh day after all is still part of the week.
How could we truly judge angels lest perhaps we walked awhile in their shoes. Just a thought.
The song's still on hold.

[eaglesway]

And now the ax is laid to the root of the trees.

[rosered]

 
Good job with this  info ,  its beautiful

Well put together   Visitor and a better depth   of understanding , Thank you .  you reminded me of many things in the scriptures   that connect   to this .
  We are like   trees  , My Favorite   example is the King Nebuchadnezzar    being cut down''as a tree '' over a Kingdom   and spared the roots in the earth 
 
till he  suffered and changed his ways   learning righteousness  in the earth and to Give God His due Glory .
I love how  the example  of    Jesus was conceived   By Holy Spirit  in a virgin      and the  new  Jerusalem     from above is the Mother of us all   born again   and [ spiritual  by nature]
We   become a City set on a hill    with a Light[Christ]    that shines in the darkness  that cannot be  hid
   Adam  cannot hide in the trees    nor from the Light    of Jesus Coming  into the World  as the Day  dawns in our hearts ..
but exposes the nakedness

  When Jesus spit in the eyes of the  blind man  and saw  men as trees walking Mark 8
He was taken by the hand first   and led     by Jesus   , Just like Saul was   taken by the hand and led by  a man the Lord chosen to guide him  , till he was restored   as well

  healed and made  well/whole  ..

[ed]

Jeremiah 17
7 Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is. 8 For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and that spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat cometh , but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit.

Good post TV,

Made me think of the wheat and the tares.

I often think of wheat and tares as being doctrine and how the good and bad grow together.  You can't just cut the bad out without harming the good.  Let them grow together........................we are God's garden.   It is God who helps us to work through our doctrinal issues.  We judge ourselves, that we would not be judged.

1 Corinthians 3
6 I have planted , Apollos watered ; but God gave the increase . 7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth ; but God that giveth the increase . 8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour. 9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.

God's building?  Temple?  As a corporate we are the building of God.

Stay where you are put and be the building of God......be the garden as well, cultivated by a constant relation with the husbandman.

EW putting the axe to the root of the tree is a recent interest of mine concerning the book of Matthew and the judgement of the Israel.

TV, I want to hear more about your song writing if you get a chance.

[rosered]

Amen ed

good  stuff for sure !!
  the trees planted by the waters of Life that flow '''freely ''

I am the root  and offspring of David      the promise of  God and His mercy   to Israel   



   Rev 22 15Outside are the dogs and the sorcerers and the immoral persons and the murderers and the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying. 16"I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things for the churches.


I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star.


" 17The Spirit and the bride say, "Come." And let the one who hears say, "Come." And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who wishes take the water of life without cost.

[rosered]

And now the ax is laid to the root of the trees.

0Thus were the visions of mine head in my bed; I saw, and behold a tree in the midst of the earth, and the height thereof was great.

11The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth:

12The leaves thereof were fair, and the fruit thereof much, and in it was meat for all: the beasts of the field had shadow under it, and the fowls of the heaven dwelt in the boughs thereof, and all flesh was fed of it.

13I saw in the visions of my head upon my bed, and, behold, a watcher and an holy one came down from heaven;

14He cried aloud, and said thus, Hew down the tree, and cut off his branches, shake off his leaves, and scatter his fruit: let the beasts get away from under it, and the fowls from his branches:

15 Nevertheless leave the stump of his roots in the earth, even with a band of iron and brass, in the tender grass of the field; and let it be wet with the dew of heaven, and let his portion be with the beasts in the grass of the earth:

16Let his heart be changed from man's, and let a beast's heart be given unto him; and let seven times pass over him.

17This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.


  for me this means he was allowed to live     after suffering   some judgments    and was  receiving knowledge of God   to learn  Gods righteousness
as the ONLY ONE IN CONTROL     of all things     

[eaglesway]

Trees, chosen of the Lord, planted for the privilege of providing shade and a refuge from the heat of the sun often forget that they were the planting of the Lord, watered by Him, and the start to take pride in their height and breadth and strength and the fruit and the shade.

Turn then to the parable of the unrighteous tenants(Mt 21:33-46) who are left to care for the landowners estate. In time forgetting who the owner is and what his charge was(to tend to and care for the vineyard and those who tended it with them) and begins to treat the landowners estate as if it were their own possession and beat the other servants and begins to horde for themselves the produce of the land, even to the point of sending the landowners messengers back to Him battered and bruised.

What shall be done with such a them? they might be placed in chains of aidos darkness for "leaving their proper abode"(jude 6). They may be "put to death" and better stewards found to take their place.

Lay the ax to the root of the tree, make room for a new planting.

[rosered]

Trees, chosen of the Lord, planted for the privilege of providing shade and a refuge from the heat of the sun often forget that they were the planting of the Lord, watered by Him, and the start to take pride in their height and breadth and strength and the fruit and the shade.

Turn then to the parable of the unrighteous tenants(Mt 21:33-46) who are left to care for the landowners estate. In time forgetting who the owner is and what his charge was(to tend to and care for the vineyard and those who tended it with them) and begins to treat the landowners estate as if it were their own possession and beat the other servants and begins to horde for themselves the produce of the land, even to the point of sending the landowners messengers back to Him battered and bruised.

What shall be done with such a them? they might be placed in chains of aidos darkness for "leaving their proper abode"(jude 6). They may be "put to death" and better stewards found to take their place.

Lay the ax to the root of the tree, make room for a new planting.

:thumbsup:  never thought of that  ,  sprouts coming up from the death of one tree . I have seen this before in   the real  !! :thumbsup:
or new beginnings/plantings  saplings 


Luke 23 ...30"Then they will begin TO SAY TO THE MOUNTAINS, 'FALL ON US,' AND TO THE HILLS, 'COVER US.'


31"For if they do these things when the tree is green, what will happen when it is dry?"

32Two others also, who were criminals, were being led away to be put to death with Him.

[TheVisitor]

Thank you all for your kind words. And rosered for the scripture in Daniel. It had been awhile since I read it. How similar is it to the account of Eden. It seems pride is much the same wherever it rears its ugly head. Especially for those in power.

It's kind of a humbling experience when others can find flaws in your theories, but it's perhaps even worse when you read it over and find them yourself. So, I have a correction to my original post here that may need pointing out. Where I said "as a Son of God he would have been above them in the hierarchy "when" he reached the point of his adoption or placing in the Father's kingdom. But obviously, that didn't happen did it?"... I don't know that it actually didn't happen. Come to think of it.

This person described in Ezekiel 31 was so great, if it was Adam ("the cedars in the garden of God could not hide him"...thank you Jesus!) he may have reached his adoption and placing as a Son of God over the kingdom for a small period of time before the fall. He just did not partake enough of the Words of life to reach immortality. The scriptures only say Adam was 130 years old when Seth was born. The time for the fall would have been approximately one year before Cain and Abel were born. Cain wasn't counted to his linage in the genealogy and he murdered Abel. So Adam's only listed first age starts at Seth. Assuming that Cain and Abel were offering their first sacrifice at their "coming of age" somewhere between 18 and 30 years of age, we have about a hundred years from Adam's creation to the fall still unaccounted for.

This great one in Eden was also called "the Assyrian". There are winged disks and bearded men with wings that depict someone called the Assyrian carved into stone all over that area. The lower foundation stones of the temple at Baalbek, Lebanon are stones 1200 tons each carved perfectly and laid together to form a wall or foundation.

The Roman's came along thousands of years later and built their temple to Jupiter with much smaller inferior stones right on top of them as many often do, but not even the Roman's knew what the lower stones were for or who set them. They were that old. There is still a 1200 ton stone laying in the quarry where they were hewn, like the project was abandoned without being completed. We have no machinery today that could take them from that quarry around to the other side of the mountain where the other foundation stones lie. I've long wondered if this temple that was never completed was for "that" Assyrian mentioned in Ezekiel 31. He was called a "cedar in Lebanon". Look's like it was quite the ambitious project for someone anyway. Some things we may never know.

(http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_misterios/baalbek_7.jpg)   (https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT9jgsDeKMrwJvoAzvAxOzzivJJ7t0EISOoPFwhPX3MjZffGB7C)

[dajomaco]

And now the ax is laid to the root of the trees.

0Thus were the visions of mine head in my bed; I saw, and behold a tree in the midst of the earth, and the height thereof was great.

11The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth:

12The leaves thereof were fair, and the fruit thereof much, and in it was meat for all: the beasts of the field had shadow under it, and the fowls of the heaven dwelt in the boughs thereof, and all flesh was fed of it.

13I saw in the visions of my head upon my bed, and, behold, a watcher and an holy one came down from heaven;

14He cried aloud, and said thus, Hew down the tree, and cut off his branches, shake off his leaves, and scatter his fruit: let the beasts get away from under it, and the fowls from his branches:

15 Nevertheless leave the stump of his roots in the earth, even with a band of iron and brass, in the tender grass of the field; and let it be wet with the dew of heaven, and let his portion be with the beasts in the grass of the earth:

16Let his heart be changed from man's, and let a beast's heart be given unto him; and let seven times pass over him.

17This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.


  for me this means he was allowed to live     after suffering   some judgments    and was  receiving knowledge of God   to learn  Gods righteousness
as the ONLY ONE IN CONTROL     of all things     

It's enough to make you go out and hug a tree.

[dajomaco]

Then a shoot will grow from the stump of Jesse,
and a branch from his roots will bear fruit.

2
The Spirit of the Lord will rest on Him—
a Spirit of wisdom and understanding,
a Spirit of counsel and strength,
a Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord.

3
His delight will be in the fear of the Lord.
He will not judge
by what He sees with His eyes,
He will not execute justice
by what He hears with His ears,

4
but He will judge the poor righteously
and execute justice for the oppressed of the land.
He will strike the land
with discipline[a] from His mouth,
and He will kill the wicked
with a command from His lips.

5
Righteousness will be a belt around His loins;
faithfulness will be a belt around His waist.

6
The wolf will live with the lamb,
and the leopard will lie down with the goat.
The calf, the young lion, and the fatling will be together,
and a child will lead them.

7
The cow and the bear will graze,
their young ones will lie down together,
and the lion will eat straw like the ox.

8
An infant will play beside the cobra's pit,
and a toddler will put his hand into a snake's den.

9
None will harm or destroy another
on My entire holy mountain,
for the land will be as full
of the knowledge of the Lord
as the sea is filled with water.

[micah7:9]

Never heard this thought, "Since it has been said we are "going back to Eden"..." and I personally never had a want to go back to Eden, and still don't.

Now here you have said something I find quite profound, "For one Adam's arrival had changed something. He was the first man created as a "living soul". Now on that I would like to hear what you have to say, I believe that is a true statement but not understood by many.
I did find many one liners in your OP that would be great discussions. :Peace2:

[dajomaco]

Adam had no earthly mother.
Jesus had an earthly mother.
A daughter of mankind.

[dajomaco]

Visitor says
The serpent said to Eve "your eyes will be opened and you'll be as one of the gods." Then afterwards God said nearly the same thing.
"The man has become as one of "us" knowing good from evil"...
Adam was found by God where? Hiding among the trees. Did Adam really think the forests were so thick that God could not find him?
I think not. I think he was hiding among those he had listened to and joined with. He had become as one of them. Right?
Both God and Satan had said so. Ones that God Himself had said once could be trusted. But something had changed. What changed?



First thing Adam and Eve did gives clues.

Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made loincloths for themselves.

They could have hid from God without going to the trouble of making loin cloths for themselves.
They could have made the loin cloths immediately because they knew ,
they were in the field of vision of someone else. ?

[micah7:9]

"If the trees were people and God said they were good for food, then it was spiritual food they were dispensing.
Jesus said "you must eat my flesh and drink my blood or you'll have no life in you" did He not? He wasn't talking cannibalism.
He meant partaking of the Word brings life.
So these trees at one time before Adam's fall were trusted advisors and counselors standing with the Tree of Life, to speak the words of life.
Trees of righteousness. A garden planted of the Lord. Like we are to be. Planted also implies staying where you are put. Holding a position.
We then need to know what could cause these trusted advisors of the Word of God, these priests to the nations to fall.

The serpent said to Eve "your eyes will be opened and you'll be as one of the gods." Then afterwards God said nearly the same thing.
"The man has become as one of "us" knowing good from evil"...
Adam was found by God where? Hiding among the trees. Did Adam really think the forests were so thick that God could not find him?
I think not. I think he was hiding among those he had listened to and joined with. He had become as one of them. Right?
Both God and Satan had said so. Ones that God Himself had said once could be trusted. But something had changed. What changed?"

To TheVisitor I am sure you know, if not, now you will, there has been a teaching out there for years about the "trees" and what you offer.

[TheVisitor]

-micah7:9.   I pretty much explained how I arrived at theses points as I went along step by step from one conclusion to the next best that I could. I see metaphors used all through the bible with trees as people. I believe the Tree of Life and the Tree of Knowledge were people. Satan and The Lord. There is only one source of the Words of life. What I didn't see till recently was the possibility that other trees in the garden are people too. The more I look the more it seems to fit.
This is just my opinion.

-dajomaco.   A believe scripture has a compound element to it. To be spiritually naked is to be without a covering, or representation of a spiritual body. Also it could be a sacrifice that covers ones sins. Religion is a covering. Jesus said the Laodiceans were naked and didn't know it. See what I mean. Nakedness also has a spiritual definition. They were naked spiritually but were not ashamed until they sinned. Then they needed a sacrifice for their sin, and God provided one. He instituted the lamb as a sacrifice until the real one came, Jesus Christ. Hope this helps.

[micah7:9]

-micah7:9.   I guess the underlined parts are what you have questions about. We'll, I explained how I arrived at theses points as I went along step by step from one conclusion to the next. This isn't a doctrine of some church, it is research I did over a period of several years in the process of writing a song as I said. I see metaphors all through the bible with trees as people. I've always believed the Tree of Life and the Tree of Knowledge were people. Satan and The Lord. There is only one source of the Words of life. What I didn't see till recently was the other trees in the garden as people too.
This is just my opinion.

-dajomaco.   A said scripture has a compound element to it. To be spiritually naked is to be without a covering, a spiritual body. A sacrifice that covers ones sins. Religion is a covering. Jesus said the Laodiceans were naked and didn't know it didn't he. See what I mean. Nakedness also has a spiritual definition.

Believe me TheVisitor, your "tree" obsevation has been around for quite awhile, for you to embrace it as a revelation from your studies, well it's a mistake not uncommon.
As for your reply to dajomaco, " Religion is a covering." religion is a makeup of the minds of men, not a covering, but only a sanctum of alibiing. At that moment, Gen 3:7 And unclosing are their eyes, they two, and knowing are they that they are naked. And sewing are they fig leaves and making for themselves girdle skirts."
Man had the Knowledge of Good and Evil and that is confirmed in.....
Gen 3:22 And saying is Yahweh Elohim, "Behold! The human becomes as one of us, knowing good and evil. And now, lest he stretch forth his hand, moreover, and take of the tree of the living, and eat and live for the eon--!

Can one say the Lord's Plan and Purpose had begun! Glory and thank you Lord :dsunny:

[TheVisitor]

That's OK, I didn't expect everyone to agree with me. No offense taken. I should probably have followed Jesus' example. He rarely spoken plainly in public did He? Here I am trying to do just the opposite. What was that proverb that covers this?
Proverbs 11:13 A talebearer revealeth secrets: but he that is of a faithful spirit concealeth the matter.

[ed]

That's OK, I didn't expect everyone to agree with me. No offense taken. I should probably have followed Jesus' example. He rarely spoken plainly in public did He? Here I am trying to do just the opposite. What was that proverb that covers this?
Proverbs 11:13 A talebearer revealeth secrets: but he that is of a faithful spirit concealeth the matter.

:loveit:

Really though!

:dsunny:

[micah7:9]

That's OK, I didn't expect everyone to agree with me. No offense taken. I should probably have followed Jesus' example. He rarely spoken plainly in public did He? Here I am trying to do just the opposite. What was that proverb that covers this?
Proverbs 11:13 A talebearer revealeth secrets: but he that is of a faithful spirit concealeth the matter.

I understand what you said, but now with Prov. 11:13 well.

[TheVisitor]

Believe me TheVisitor, your "tree" obsevation has been around for quite awhile, for you to embrace it as a revelation from your studies, well it's a mistake not uncommon.

micah7:9,
I know this idea the Trees of Eden represented people is not new entirely, but I don't think any of the previous versions you have heard are exactly like this. This has nothing in common with the Willie Martin racist rant once posted here for example. I don't see it implying anything like that.

[micah7:9]

Believe me TheVisitor, your "tree" obsevation has been around for quite awhile, for you to embrace it as a revelation from your studies, well it's a mistake not uncommon.

micah7:9,
I know this idea the Trees of Eden represented people is not new entirely, but I don't think any of the previous versions you have heard are exactly like this. This has nothing in common with the Willie Martin racist rant once posted here for example. I don't see it implying anything like that.

Willie who? :dontknow:

[TheVisitor]

From the topic... "What were the trees in the Garden of Eden"... started here about one year ago.

http://tentmaker.org/forum/lounge/what-were-the-trees-in-the-garden-of-eden/msg163519/#msg163519

[eaglesway]

Trees are in some places analogous metaphors for people.

Just as seas are also sometimes analogous for nations, or general masses of people.


That doesnt mean every time I read sea it means nation or that every time I read tree it means person.

These variations require some discernment and some context and some interpretation, and it is therefore quite likely there will be disagreement :o)

[eaglesway]

Back to the trees. We are told as Christians we are being planted as "trees of righteousness". Having living water coming out of our bellies or inner most being, with twelve manner of fruit and leaves for the healing of the nations. Kings and priests reigning with Christ to the nations of the earth.
The scripture in Ezekiel 31 describes trees in the garden who fall through envy of the greatest among them while part of a government that is ruling over the nations. Now go back to Genesis. God told Adam he could "eat" from all the trees in the garden (except one) and that they were good for food.

70 trees are 70 (fallen) angels. The serpent was one of them. They were parts of the counsel of Elohim.
After Babel fell they formed 70 nations (during atonement day a bull was sacrificed for each of them)
Likely 10 of them got judged during the 10 plagues of Egypt (every plague is linked to a false god)

:2c:

Is that like, from the scriptures?