Jesus cursed the out of season fig tree

[eaglesway]

the fig trees in the yard where I worked for four years always put out leaves first. 3 trees of green figs one tree of black figs.

[gregoryfl]

the fig trees in the yard where I worked for four years always put out leaves first. 3 trees of green figs one tree of black figs.

Sorry, I should have explained more in detail. Do you see on your plants what we call פרח perahh? These should normally be there when the leaves come out each year. These are the edible buds that come. You can call them figs, because we can eat them, but technically yes, the true fig which comes from that precursor comes later. The perahh is what Yeshua was looking for and did not see.

One spiritual lesson I have gleaned from this is that the Spirit in us today is called by Paul, a רחבונא, sort of like a 'pre proof' of something to come. The spirit today can be likened to perahh, the 'pre proof' of our inheritance in Messiah.

[eaglesway]

Ahhh, very cool. Thanks!

[rosered]

Hi all , I have always thought of Israel as the fig tree   each man shall eat under his own fig tree .... 

That is the reason   the Lord Jesus said He  found no guile in Nathanael  an isralite ...   also why the gentiles   would enter the kingdom before the  scribes Pharrisses and hypocrits ...

John  1 46Nathanael said to him, "Can any good thing come out of Nazareth?" Philip said to him, "Come and see." 47Jesus saw Nathanael coming to Him, and said of him, "Behold, an Israelite indeed, in whom there is no deceit!" 48Nathanael said to Him, "How do You know me?" Jesus answered and said to him, "Before Philip called you, when you were under the fig tree, I saw you."

  Jer 24 ..The Good and Bad Figs
...7'I will give them a heart to know Me, for I am the LORD; and they will be My people, and I will be their God, for they will return to Me with their whole heart. 8'But like the bad figs which cannot be eaten due to rottenness-- indeed, thus says the LORD-- so I will abandon Zedekiah king of Judah and his officials, and the remnant of Jerusalem who remain in this land and the ones who dwell in the land of Egypt. 9I will make them a terror and an evil for all the kingdoms of the earth, as a reproach and a proverb, a taunt and a curse in all places where I will scatter them.



Hos 9:10   I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the first ripe in the fig tree at her first time: but they went to Baalpeor, and separated themselves unto that shame; and their abominations were according as they loved.

:thumbsup:

It is similar to what Yeshua said, in quoting from the prophet:
'These people draw near to me with their mouth, and honor me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
(Mat 15:8)

That fig tree should not have put out leaves yet, since the fig fruit comes first, then the leaves afterward to protect it. So this tree was picturing hypocrisy. The leaves were there, (they draw near to me with their mouth), but the fruit wasn't (their heart is far from me).

Yes thank you  for even more clarity    !  :thumbsup:

[micah7:9]

It was excellent! That fig tree thing has bothered many a christian's thinking and there are many "preachers" who keep em befuddled. :Peace2:

[rosered]

the fig trees in the yard where I worked for four years always put out leaves first. 3 trees of green figs one tree of black figs.

Sorry, I should have explained more in detail. Do you see on your plants what we call פרח perahh? These should normally be there when the leaves come out each year. These are the edible buds that come. You can call them figs, because we can eat them, but technically yes, the true fig which comes from that precursor comes later. The perahh is what Yeshua was looking for and did not see.

One spiritual lesson I have gleaned from this is that the Spirit in us today is called by Paul, a רחבונא, sort of like a 'pre proof' of something to come. The spirit today can be likened to perahh, the 'pre proof' of our inheritance in Messiah.

  I just thought of this
  the fig leaves are what Adam and Eve used to ''cover their  own  nakedness ''

  and no fruit  would mean    , they did not  consider   any one else   to be covered ,  just as the lukewarm   laodicean     

Rev 3    ...17'Because you say, "I am rich, and have become wealthy, and have need of nothing," and you do not know that you are wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked, 18I advise you to buy from Me gold refined by fire so that you may become rich, and white garments so that you may clothe yourself, and that the shame of your nakedness will not be revealed;

and eye salve to anoint your eyes so that you may see. 19'Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline; therefore be zealous and repent.

  the cutting down of the fig tree     is  reprove
  being zealous is not giving up after you have    so called '' covered your  own shame ''  , it is not enough    and not in Jesus ! but a sign of unfaithfulness to His command    ,  John come  before Him   saying repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand ,     this mighty Wind/Spirit   warning to  get ready  !!   


Jesus warns LEARN the parable of the fig tree  when the figs begin to ripen the Wind would shake  them Matthew 24:32-35 (HCSB) — 32 Now learn this parable from the fig tree: As soon as its branch becomes tender and sprouts leaves, you know that summer is near. 33 In the same way, when you see all these things, recognize that He is near—at the door! 34 I assure you: This generation will certainly not pass away until all these things take place. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will never pass away.


The sixth seal in context

    "And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell . . . as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And [all the earth people] . . . said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the  face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?" (Rev. 6:12-17)

same as Adam and Eve Hiding from God in the garden!  who told you , you were naked ?     

[Lazarus Short]

The master of the fig tree had inspected it for three years, and was asked to give it another year.  Now if those years equal millenniums, and if this inspection process began at the time of Abram (~2000 YBC), then we are brought up to the present day for the Master of the fig tree to make His final determination.

I think that those who bring forth fruit, and the Bible tells us just what that fruit is, will be the Elect.  Non-fruit bearers are the non-elect, to be chopped down and thrown into the LoF.  The ax is already at the root...

[rosered]

  Thanks Lz ,
  reminds me of the Verse in Genesis   when God told Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply

  same  concept but in the Spiritual sense of the meaning     
fruitful  is the    increase of God  by the Holy Spirit

fruits Spirit  Galatians 5:22-23Expanded Bible (EXB)

22 But the ·Spirit produces the fruit of [L fruit of the Spirit is] love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, ·faithfulness [or faith],

23 gentleness, self-control. ·There is no law that says these things are wrong [or No law can oppose such things].

[sheila]

some very tastey morsels in this thread.   re the figtree without fruit[for it was not time/season for figs] cursed the untimely figs=

  they did not recognize the time of their visitation.

[eaglesway]

Anyone see the fig tree as natural Israel? Not knowing the time of their visitation. "Oh Jerusalem, Jerusalem, I would have gathered you as a hen gathers her chicks but you would not"

"Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling.

[marie glen]

http://mercifultruth.com/links-savedbygrace2.html

Very good and interesting link and article! though I didn't read every word but mostly jumped from LOF reference to LOF reference and reading aeound them, and also some scanning.

I especially liked -

"So what is happening in this lake of fire? I can tell you what is not happening: Jesus will not be torturing people in literal fire."

"You were told that the "gates of Heaven" will be "locked shut" at the end of time to all unbelievers in the lake of fire. No they won't! You see here, regardless of the lake of fire, the gates of the Bride stay open."  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :banana:

"And the Spirit and the Bride say "come." And let him that heareth say "come." and let him that is athirst come. And whoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
That's the Bride talking, along with the Spirit. That's the Bride, with its open gates, speaking to who? Everyone outside the city. The Bride is certainly not speaking to itself! It wouldn't need to. There they are, gates open, still preaching the Gospel to everyone outside the city! And they will continue to preach the Gospel until every last fragment of God's creation is saved. "  :banana: :dsunny:

"Let's break it down: As "in Adam," all die. Even so, "in Christ," all shall be made alive, but each in his own order:

1. Christ, the firstfruit
2. His followers
3. His enemies
Then, after EVERYTHING (in Adam) has been made to "be under obedience" to Christ - and made alive (in Christ) - he will hand the kingdom over to His Father, and voila! The whole of creation wrapped up "in Christ." The result: "So that God may be ALL in ALL." If you don't believe it, read it again. The sheer number of "all in all" is not limited contextually. Contextually, the subject matter is "as in Adam all die." That's everyone, folks. The scripture follows it down logically (once again) to the ultimate result: "So that God may be ALL in ALL."
All the enemies of Christ, outside the city, will enter the city for this reason:"

"Jeremiah 31:39-40
The measuring line will stretch from there straight to the hill of Gareb and then turn to Goah.  The whole valley where dead bodies and ashes are thrown (Hinnom), and all the terraces out to the Kidron Valley on the east as far as the corner of the Horse Gate, will be holy to the Lord.." "..you now know the final fate of the Valley of Hinnom: it shall be holy unto the Lord."

Very good!! and great use of verses!!

[Seth]

Thank you Marie. Glad you got something from it.  :dsunny:

[marie glen]

Do you see any connection between Revelation 14, 21 and Isaiah 9?

..very interesting.. I think parts of the vision of Revelation is like an accordion (or fan) and I see chapters 14 and 19 as the same.. and now I see, or think, chapter 21 in part perhaps is also the same, yet parts being further along in the two reapings of chapter 14, as reference is made to an angel which had one of the bowls/final consequences, and I think of the harvest or reaping of the grapes of wrath as being those last consequences, the seven bowls..

I tend to think of the city, the New Jerusalem as covering only partial of the Earth during judgment day/age of judgment (review) which I think (b'cause of the ancient Fall Holy Days spacing) that the day of judgment will last 500 years, during which there is inside and outside of the city.. (And of course down through the ages also.)

But I think most if not all of those throughout all Earth's ages, who did not come to redemption before their death will "take the water of life, come into the city, enter its gates" during that 500 year long age of "judgment"/review.

And notice, those who survived and lived on in the natural, during the millenium of Christ (the 1000 years of rev 20).. "aFter that 1000 years, the opposer and deceiver Satan is let out of the abyss (of darkness and bottomless pit of darkness potential) and deceives some/many in surrounding the city of God.. This is before the resurrection (out of their graves where they were planted like seed) of all those not yet "saved".

To me, i lean most toward thinking of the LOF as possibly two things, besides God's purity which cleanses,
[#1]-as a total ending of men's institutions such as the big beast (world beast/governing) and the false prophet(teaching,theory) thrown into the LOF in chapter 19 (verse 20) and also the end of death and the grave in chapter 20.. and [#2]-as cleansing/purifying of the devil and his angels, who indeed require more stringent handling(?) tho still not physically tortured by the Lord, only by God's purifying Holy essence in contrast to their "darkness" and chains of..

I think Isaiah 9 and much of prophesy if not all, does coincide. That ultimately this life is the proving of good from evil (life from death, the city from outer darkness).. that like Israel the world wandered from God (a branching off of rationality/thinking ability which includes being able to make choices, even if highly limited). And like Israel will be gathered (home)..

I believe God's blueprint and ultimate reality is that he shall be "all in all" - no more outer darkness, but all will be 'within His gates'..

[marie glen]

the fig trees in the yard where I worked for four years always put out leaves first. 3 trees of green figs one tree of black figs.

Sorry, I should have explained more in detail. Do you see on your plants what we call פרח perahh? These should normally be there when the leaves come out each year. These are the edible buds that come. You can call them figs, because we can eat them, but technically yes, the true fig which comes from that precursor comes later. The perahh is what Yeshua was looking for and did not see.

One spiritual lesson I have gleaned from this is that the Spirit in us today is called by Paul, a רחבונא, sort of like a 'pre proof' of something to come. The spirit today can be likened to perahh, the 'pre proof' of our inheritance in Messiah.

Aha! very interesting! :smile: both the pre-figs and the "pre-proof" (the "seal of His ownership on our heart which cries - Father, my Father!"..?)

[marie glen]

Anyone see the fig tree as natural Israel? Not knowing the time of their visitation. "Oh Jerusalem, Jerusalem, I would have gathered you as a hen gathers her chicks but you would not"

"Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling.

..absolutely :thumbsup: :thumbsup: and Israel, also, imo, as a microcosm of the world..

Hi all , I have always thought of Israel as the fig tree   each man shall eat under his own fig tree .... 

That is the reason   the Lord Jesus said He  found no guile in Nathanael  an isralite ...   also why the gentiles   would enter the kingdom before the  scribes Pharrisses and hypocrits ...

John  1 46Nathanael said to him, "Can any good thing come out of Nazareth?" Philip said to him, "Come and see." 47Jesus saw Nathanael coming to Him, and said of him, "Behold, an Israelite indeed, in whom there is no deceit!" 48Nathanael said to Him, "How do You know me?" Jesus answered and said to him, "Before Philip called you, when you were under the fig tree, I saw you."

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

  Jer 24 ..The Good and Bad Figs
…7'I will give them a heart to know Me, for I am the LORD; and they will be My people, and I will be their God, for they will return to Me with their whole heart. 8'But like the bad figs which cannot be eaten due to rottenness

- indeed, thus says the LORD-- so I will abandon Zedekiah king of Judah and his officials, and the remnant of Jerusalem who remain in this land and the ones who dwell in the land of Egypt. 9I will make them a terror and an evil for all the kingdoms of the earth, as a reproach and a proverb, a taunt and a curse in all places where I will scatter them.

Israel as a microcosm of the world.. as Israel so the world? darkness a curse and taunt never forgotten, like smoke (memory of?) which will rise up for ever and ever.. this proving of good from evil, life from death, the city of God's Presence from the outer darkness..

:thumbsup:

It is similar to what Yeshua said, in quoting from the prophet:
'These people draw near to me with their mouth, and honor me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
(Mat 15:8)

That fig tree should not have put out leaves yet, since the fig fruit comes first, then the leaves afterward to protect it. So this tree was picturing hypocrisy. The leaves were there, (they draw near to me with their mouth), but the fruit wasn't (their heart is far from me).

:Chinscratch: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[rosered]

  How about those figs  sent to Babylon 


 
Jer  24 1After Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon had carried away captive Jeconiah the son of Jehoiakim, king of Judah, and the officials of Judah with the craftsmen and smiths from Jerusalem and had brought them to Babylon 

, the LORD showed me: behold, two baskets of figs set before the temple of the LORD!

  2One basket had very good figs, like first-ripe figs, and the other basket had very bad figs which could not be eaten due to rottenness.

I believe being sent to Babylon is for correction and suffering like a slave    to remove spiritual pride

  this is where you   are tested      in faithfulness
This is where you learn it not us  but God whom saves    you or anyone   good figs

  and   those bad figs ?  they become so self righteous  and two fold the sons of hell /grave   makers    rottenness and full of dead mens bones

[Seth]

I believe being sent to Babylon is for correction and suffering like a slave    to remove spiritual pride

I agree.

I see a proud-resistant judgment as such:

Step 1

Jeremiah 2
19 Thine own wickedness shall correct thee, and thy backslidings shall reprove thee: know therefore and see that it is an evil thing and bitter, that thou hast forsaken the LORD thy God, and that my fear is not in thee, saith the Lord GOD of hosts.

Step 2

Deuteronomy 4
20 But as for you, the LORD took you and brought you out of the iron-smelting furnace, out of Egypt, to be the people of his inheritance, as you now are.

[rosered]

I believe being sent to Babylon is for correction and suffering like a slave    to remove spiritual pride

I agree.


Jeremiah 2
19 Thine own wickedness shall correct thee, and thy backslidings shall reprove thee: know therefore and see that it is an evil thing and bitter, that thou hast forsaken the LORD thy God, and that my fear is not in thee, saith the Lord GOD of hosts.

Deuteronomy 4
20 But as for you, the LORD took you and brought you out of the iron-smelting furnace, out of Egypt, to be the people of his inheritance, as you now are.

  Yes  sir I agree ,  as they judge so shall they be judged by their own wickedness

   Matt 7 1"Do not judge so that you will not be judged. 2"For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you.

3"Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?...

  the Log of spiritual blindness     the felled trees ! as the ax is laid    to the root of the trees
not being rooted and grounded in Christ or Love  , both are the same to me !!



   Luke 3 ...8"Therefore bear fruits in keeping with repentance, and do not begin to say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham for our father,' for I say to you that from these stones God is able to raise up children to Abraham. 9"Indeed the axe is already laid at the root of the trees; so every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire."

10And the crowds were questioning him, saying, "Then what shall we do?"...
 

[dajomaco]

Anyone see the fig tree as natural Israel? Not knowing the time of their visitation. "Oh Jerusalem, Jerusalem, I would have gathered you as a hen gathers her chicks but you would not"

"Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling.

Just some thoughts.
When Jesus went to the fig tree he actually wanted a fig to eat.
Jesus may have actually been looking for fruit in Jerusalem.
Jesus had faith in the Father and would do whatever God asked.
Could Jesus have thought (hoped) there would be fruit of the spirit already in Jerusalem.

When he cursed the fig tree.
He knew the only way was for him to be accursed on a tree.

[eaglesway]

wow. That seems like a strong perspective to me, tho I had never considered it.

But I have often considered the hurt that is expressed, the sting of death as an emotional piercing of Christ's heart, "He came unto His own and His own received Him not"....."Jerusalem, Jerusalem"......the selection of Barabus over Him, when all He had done was heal, deliver, enlighten.

This same piercing sorrow is expressed in many places in the OT by the prophets, such as Hosea's dilemna with Gomer and other parables as well..... perhaps all looking forward too and culminating in the rejection of Messiah by His beloved Israel.

[rosered]

I believe the fearful and unbelieving were   afraid of the authorities    those religious leaders  as lawyers  and officers and elders , priests   and the powers that be
 

It would be hard to go against everything you have ever known and   break those traditions of men  that have been set in stone for  centuries   as TRUTH

and this one man comes calling Himself the Son of God  and  showed  Love and mercy   to everyone and done nothing but Good works

  when  they were  told   to be separate from  sin and  in their  spiritual  blindness  the religious leaders  ,all  partakers , were the ones full of sin and error


  This is a very powerful prophecy  in Luke 22     that had to be fulfilled  , when true   darkness  and ignorance   and betrayal  was reigning   for the hour      , Just as Judas was chosen for such   a betrayal   
   this is an hour when the beast   /carnal men  would  be given power   prophesied in Revelation    as  a  TRUE SIGN of the times

   Luke  22     52 Then Jesus said to the chief priests and the officers of the Temple guard and the elders who had come there to get him,

"Did you have to come with swords and clubs, as though I were an outlaw?

53 I was with you in the Temple every day, and you did not try to arrest me. But this is your hour to act, when the power of darkness rules."       

For me its the guilty    calling the innocent   evil        or the scripture  being fulfilled calling evil good and the good evil

Isaiah 5 ;20  What sorrow for those who say that evil is good and good is evil, that dark is light and light is dark, that bitter is sweet and sweet is bitter.
2Tim

ever learning and never coming to the knowledge of truth [a scribe  reader of the Word , Pharisee  separatist and  hypocrites   pretending to be something they are not  such as wise and powerful   to the things of God and making a mockery    of the TRUTH !   no understanding  , no discernment      no knowledge of God
  just greedy power hungry   brute beasts  whom fill their own bellies  and call it  Gods will  :sigh:
   


Proverbs 14 5A trustworthy witness will not lie, But a false witness utters lies.

6A scoffer seeks wisdom and finds none, But knowledge is easy to one who has understanding.
7  Leave the presence of a fool, Or you will not discern words of knowledge.     same as , come out of Her my people unless you  receive her plagues             

[dajomaco]

wow. That seems like a strong perspective to me, tho I had never considered it.

But I have often considered the hurt that is expressed, the sting of death as an emotional piercing of Christ's heart, "He came unto His own and His own received Him not"....."Jerusalem, Jerusalem"......the selection of Barabus over Him, when all He had done was heal, deliver, enlighten.

This same piercing sorrow is expressed in many places in the OT by the prophets, such as Hosea's dilemna with Gomer and other parables as well..... perhaps all looking forward too and culminating in the rejection of Messiah by His beloved Israel.

I think the greatest temptation we can have toward anger that leads to sin.
Is when a Loved one betrays us.
When the one we Love knowingly falsely accuses us.


Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has ascended into heaven,[f] Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess. 15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet he did not sin. 16 Let us then approach God's throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need.

[sheila]

there is a time and season for every purpose under heaven...a time to live and a time to die.[law covenant/death] Grace covenant/life

[eaglesway]

I think the greatest temptation we can have toward anger that leads to sin.
Is when a Loved one betrays us.
When the one we Love knowingly falsely accuses us.


Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has ascended into heaven,[f] Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess. 15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet he did not sin. 16 Let us then approach God's throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need.

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