descendants of the Nephilim

[micah7:9]

Pentecost lives! I only say that because I believe, the students (which I was one at one time) are not able or will not let go of, the happening of the birth of what is called a great revival(and it was). They hold to that past as I once did, sadly, by doing do, they have missed a truth... the Pillar and Cloud moved, and Pentecost(the denomination) has begun it's journey with Babylon.  :HeartThrob:

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: I agree Micah.....the cloud moved. The Word says that ALL the Israelites went thru, was for OUR example. I can't tell you how many times I heard in Pentecost circles and even Baptist circles, how we were brought out of Egypt with a price.

What no one seems to have taken notice of, is that after they got out of Egypt and had their Sinai/Pentecost experience, they also went into Babylon. Where and when was THIS deliverance APPROPRIATED? It WASN'T. The serpent was more subtle than all the other beasts of the field, and it still is. My  :2c:

[micah7:9]

:cloud9: I agree Micah.....the cloud moved. The Word says that ALL the Israelites went thru, was for OUR example. I can't tell you how many times I heard in Pentecost circles and even Baptist circles, how we were brought out of Egypt with a price.

What no one seems to have taken notice of, is that after they got out of Egypt and had their Sinai/Pentecost experience, they also went into Babylon. Where and when was THIS deliverance APPROPRIATED? It WASN'T. The serpent was more subtle than all the other beasts of the field, and it still is. My  :2c:
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So I believe from what you offered is that what we[that's me as well] have now is a wallering, a vortext, were we are with struggling arms, grabbing out for a snub of rock, something solid that will help to hold on in the midst of the white water of doctrine that has been established, and hollers Here ..Here ..which is a false gold....assuming that all the sheep have followed before, so why not now?
Well, the Good News is...their are some who,have ears to hear and will, against religious, denomination, and  sect, and  theology hersey......go forward in that race that Paul said, he had not yet won. My opinion for what it is worth, we need to get past what all that has been set. When really looked at, it is all RELIGION, DENOMINATIONS, SECTS, and CONTROL. The freedom We have received is controlled by love....

[Jock]

LOL  :laugh: (Christian mythology) I like it! Aint that the truth.

[Cardinal]

:cloud9: I agree Micah.....the cloud moved. The Word says that ALL the Israelites went thru, was for OUR example. I can't tell you how many times I heard in Pentecost circles and even Baptist circles, how we were brought out of Egypt with a price.

What no one seems to have taken notice of, is that after they got out of Egypt and had their Sinai/Pentecost experience, they also went into Babylon. Where and when was THIS deliverance APPROPRIATED? It WASN'T. The serpent was more subtle than all the other beasts of the field, and it still is. My  :2c:
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So I believe from what you offered is that what we[that's me as well] have now is a wallering, a vortext, were we are with struggling arms, grabbing out for a snub of rock, something solid that will help to hold on in the midst of the white water of doctrine that has been established, and hollers Here ..Here ..which is a false gold....assuming that all the sheep have followed before, so why not now?
Well, the Good News is...their are some who,have ears to hear and will, against religious, denomination, and  sect, and  theology hersey......go forward in that race that Paul said, he had not yet won. My opinion for what it is worth, we need to get past what all that has been set. When really looked at, it is all RELIGION, DENOMINATIONS, SECTS, and CONTROL. The freedom We have received is controlled by love....

:cloud9: Er, Yep.  :Peace2: In the beginning of our walk, the Word defines the Spirit (did what I just experience/see/hear, was that God? Yep, the Word says it was), but as we mature, the Spirit defines the Word (Wow, what I just experienced I never dreamed was possible but there it is, I see it now, it's been there all along, the hidden manna of the Word).

BOTH define our experiencing the living God, whose Spirit IS love. As we grow in the first-hand, experiential knowledge of Him, that love perfected, casts out all fear, and He can begin to show us things and do things with us, that are in the Word, yet hidden from fearful, prying eyes.

The framework is never abandoned, it's perfect, but it is as bones that need the flesh (celestial, spiritual) draped upon it. God has been creating a temple and a man to enter it on the day of the Atonement,  these 6 days or 6000 years. Now He's clothing him, and soon He'll be revealing Him. My  :2c:  Blessings....

[marie glen]

Nephilim - i've always thought it says "in those days there were giants" before the flood which wiped out the cainites with the prominant brow and the giants, men of renown.. or am i remembering that wrong?

so are 'you' saying what happened once can happen again? imo, would be neither here nor there, as it's not in the Word of God - fallen angels the dark entities/demons, yes..

"ALL things in heaven AND earth are being gathered into Jesus" col 1:20 (ultimately)

[marie glen]

:cloud9: Jezebel is NOT just those in the witchcraft arts circles and those that blindly practice them, nor is Babylon the kingdom they have created that they only dwell under the ruler ship of.

Jezebel is a strong principality, Babylon is her dominion, what and who she has dominion over, and until the Lord sees fit to deliver from it, it's reach completely covers everything under the firmament. And it won't be long. My  :2c:

Jezebel.. to me.. would be a false church that allows rampant immorality (today compromises with the world libertine spirit)

But the global harlot (greek "pornos" and "to sell" seems to me, going by rev chapters 17 and 18, that the going global money based (babylon was the first coin based economy) global empire/$ity, which uses pornos to sell! sell! and has seduced and enchanted all nations/7continents.. anyway that seems obvious to me (imo) according to the descriptions in rev 17 and 18 - she made the merchants wealthy, read their list of products right down to the bodies of souls (pornos,etc) - the kings.politicians are in bed with her (fornicating)

her forehead/psyche ALL "babble"/untruth, babble on and on" is repsonsible for all slain on earth..

Was the beast at one time the Holy Roman Empire? absolutely, but for today's version (imo) we need to look around us

Many think both beasts of rev 13 are the same.. and the harlot and the false prophet, all the same thing! :laughing7:

false prophet/teaching turned western civilization which used to be Christendom (even if imperfect) on its ear, has prepared the way "went before" the last days big beast (world beast/body, surely?) of 13:1-10 and also prepared the way for the "pornos" flood which is an attempt to wash the faith off the earth.. (but the earth will swallow the flood,Lk23:28,31!)
             :2c:  :icon_jokercolor:

[marie glen]

my pov...the new and young ones coming in...have many questions......and have heard many different things.   some of these things

Amen!! and they can clisten to lots of people talking, ad infini about this that and everything, or cruise the internet and listen to this that and the other thing.. but! His "Word Is Truth"

and especially in this day, Thank God for that!!!! else we have no ruler.. no guide.. and we certainly do not want to be ones blurring the lines, or making things, confusing for those seeking..

God bless! :gsmile: :girlheart:

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Best thing has been and always will be.....ask the Lord. My  :2c: Blessings....

[WhiteWings]

Nephilim - i've always thought it says "in those days there were giants" before the flood which wiped out the cainites with the prominant brow and the giants, men of renown.. or am i remembering that wrong?

"The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when [because] the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown." - Genesis 6:4

[UniversalSceptic]

I thought the Nephilists were the offsprings of fallen angles and human women. They were around at the time of Noah and were destroyed in the flood along with all the sinners. If they are still on this Earth then they are basically evil and have no morals or compassion for others.

[thetruthprospector]

I know this may be off topic, but I did nto know where to ask. I am new to this concept of this web site. However I have been searching the Scriptures for answers for many years.  WHAT HAPPENS TO SATAN AND THE DEMONS? are they TOO saved?

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Hi; may I suggest if no one wishes to delve into that right now (I know it has been discussed before on here) that you check out the search bar on the top of the page, right hand corner, and put in key words to try to bring up previous discussions on the topic of interest? Blessings...

[WhiteWings]

I know this may be off topic, but I did nto know where to ask. I am new to this concept of this web site. However I have been searching the Scriptures for answers for many years.  WHAT HAPPENS TO SATAN AND THE DEMONS? are they TOO saved?

I don't know but have a few thoughts about it. God purifies gold like a refiner. The gold=good enters heaven and the dros=evil is ceases to exist. If satan is 100% evil that would mean he's 100% dros and 0% gold. So he either stops existing or he's changed so much he's the total opposite what he's right now. Same answer for the demons with the remark that according to some demons are not God's creation. They are the spirits of the dead offspring that resulted from angels that mating with human females. Jesus came to save God's creation only.

As a summary I would write nobody* enters heaven because all* are purified first. So the old man no longer exists.
*=Jesus is the exception because He was (and obviously still is) 100% gold.

[thetruthprospector]

White wings,

Thanks for the response. My quick take on it is that God is light and there is no darkness in Him at all. He is like heat (fire?) also. So There really is no darkness or coldness they are just the absence of the positive energy. Where Satan works is were God is not sheding His light for a time. But when He Who is light will manifest   by speaking HIs Word. The Light of HIS face will cause the devil and his spirits to cease to exist.  Any ways that is how I see it for the moment.
Any more light on this?

[ed]

White wings,

Thanks for the response. My quick take on it is that God is light and there is no darkness in Him at all. He is like heat (fire?) also. So There really is no darkness or coldness they are just the absence of the positive energy. Where Satan works is were God is not sheding His light for a time. But when He Who is light will manifest   by speaking HIs Word. The Light of HIS face will cause the devil and his spirits to cease to exist.  Any ways that is how I see it for the moment.
Any more light on this?

My naive take,

All the ministries that I have been involved in that involved dealing with devil spirits, fighting the devil, and such things, I've never seen one that had any real merit.

Maybe it is my unbelief, naivety, or God is just protecting me. 

I don't really see the devil or satan as being an actual being.  I've never been in a place where light(God) was not.  To people who believe in the devil, these things are very real.  I tend to believe in "greater is he that is in me, then he that is in the world".

Satan is the power of the air, that is in the world.  Belief and non belief have great weight when it comes to such matter................works for saint and sinner alike  :winkgrin:

I'm not worried if angels or spirits are saved.  It is not my realm, and is none of my concern.  I care about people/humanity.  God will take care of the rest.

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[eaglesway]

White wings,

Thanks for the response. My quick take on it is that God is light and there is no darkness in Him at all. He is like heat (fire?) also. So There really is no darkness or coldness they are just the absence of the positive energy. Where Satan works is were God is not sheding His light for a time. But when He Who is light will manifest   by speaking HIs Word. The Light of HIS face will cause the devil and his spirits to cease to exist.  Any ways that is how I see it for the moment.
Any more light on this?

There is evidence in the scriptures that devils, evil spirits, etc. will be purified in the lake of fire, in the presence of God and His holy angels.

Matthew 25 "Depart from me you cursed, into the age during fire prepared for the devil and his messengers".

Rev 14 "He shall be tormented with fire(theion- Godfire) and brimstone(sulfur- purifying agent) in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb".

Since it says in 1 Cor 15 :28 that every adversary will be subject to Christ and that when the last enemy(death) is subjected, Jesus will return all things to the Father so that God will be ALL IN ALL, I peronally do not believe that any being will be disolved, destroyed, etc; but rather that every knee shall bow whether in heaven or on  earth or under the earth and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of the Father(Phil 2:10,11) until Revelation 5:13 and Romans 8:19-23 are fulfilled.....

"And every created thing on the earth and in heaven and under the earth and on the sea and everything in them, I heard saying, "To Him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be glory honor and power forever and ever amen." Rev 5:13

As it is written in Romans 11

For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be the glory throughout all ages, amen.


BEHOLD I MAKE ALL THINGS NEW

[Jock]

Ed, I have encountered these spirits and you probably have too. They are real enough but they exist in the spirituals and the attack is usually in the mind of the believer, the thought life. That is why we need armour and when you quote "greater is He,(Christ) than he (the enemy or one of his minions; that is in the world".

That is powerful, it's the sword of the Spirit (the word of God)

Your care for mankind is commendable but just know that you have an enemy.

Shalom  :Peace2:

Jock.

[thetruthprospector]

Jock

I know I have had to wrestle much with my demons!! And still do, life is a battlefied. But by only by the grace of God do we get through it. I beleive that the greater in us is the Christ in us. There only by the finished work, but being worked out as we work out our salvation. I never considered your understanding Eaglesway!
Very interesting. I need to unlearn so much. I need to go back to the scriptures.

Thanks so much y'all!

Also Ed. like the vagabond Jews in Acts, I believe that there are a lots of false ministeries today that may actually be using evil spirits to cast out evill spirts and giving glory to the minsiter or ministery instead of the source.....THE LIGHT of His Word......Jesus. May Jesus be glorified for ever.

[eaglesway]

Jock


Also Ed. like the vagabond Jews in Acts, I believe that there are a lots of false ministeries today that may actually be using evil spirits to cast out evill spirts and giving glory to the minsiter or ministery instead of the source.....THE LIGHT of His Word......Jesus. May Jesus be glorified for ever.

This is something I have seen (and done  at times :doh:), over many years of ministry- that men can draw glory to themselves for both false works in the name of our God- and even true works themselves(Lord, Lord- didnt we cast out demons, prophecy and do many mighty works in your name?.... Depart from me you lawless ones....)

Oh that we would apply His ways to His works- then the gold, silver and precious stones of work that will stand in the light of the Day would be ours. (Well done, my good and faithful servant)

[Jock]

It's true that there are evil spirits at work from pulpits and bible colleges around the world. We can test what we hear and the spirit that spoke it. We have to be sooo careful what we say to people and each other because the enemy is always looking for homage.

There are men who (through fear) will sow evil into believers, robbing them of their liberty and their joy in Christ. Be careful of such men/women.

Josh 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

Amen

Jock.  :2c:

[Cardinal]

Also Ed. like the vagabond Jews in Acts, I believe that there are a lots of false ministeries today that may actually be using evil spirits to cast out evill spirts and giving glory to the minsiter or ministery instead of the source.....THE LIGHT of His Word......Jesus. May Jesus be glorified for ever.

:cloud9: I'm of the opinion that Jesus answered that question. Can Satan cast out Satan? My  :2c: Blessings....