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Are there still descendants of the Nephilim on Earth today and do you think they are they out of reach of salvation through Jesus?

I had a dream last night where I walked through a couple of rooms where there were hundreds of white cloaks , and then into a third room where there were blue cloaks and I just heard the word nephilim.   I never have dreams like this. 

I've never changed to be more like Christ since I found Him 12 years ago. In fact I would say I'm a worse person now, with so many issues, especially anger.  I despair of myself most of the time.  I've always felt different to other Christians in that they hear from him, experience him and have evidence of Him working in their lives. I have none of this as I just bear bad fruit.  So maybe I am different. I can no longer summon up enough faith to say I am His.

I think we can't really know with certainty if there are any Nephlim descendants. For all I know they look quite human.


I have no clue what your dream means, but imo blue means divine royalty and white is about purity. Not really colors I would link to Nephlim.

Thank for replying White wings. 

So if I'm unfortunate enough to be a descendent there's no hope?  I'm sorry to sound so dramatic but it was like the white robes were meant for the redeemed and then I was taken into this other room meant for the nephilim. That's where it ended.  It was so vivid and has left me feeling scared.   

I'm in a pretty dark place right now anyway and am trying to trust in God but then I get thrown this curveball .

What Nephim actually are can be debated, but I think they are demonic spirits living in human (like) bodies. I think if you would be a Nephlim you would know that with 100% certainty and God wouldn't be bothered to give you a dream.

Anyway, when you entered the room with the blue robes you heard the word Nephlim?
If I'm right and blue means heavenly royalty I would say being in the room with blue robes is positive. But as said I have no clue what your dream means or why the word Nephlim was spoken....

"I've never changed to be more like Christ since I found Him 12 years ago. In fact I would say I'm a worse person now, with so many issues, especially anger.  I despair of myself most of the time.  I've always felt different to other Christians in that they hear from him, experience him and have evidence of Him working in their lives. I have none of this as I just bear bad fruit.  So maybe I am different. I can no longer summon up enough faith to say I am His. " (lookingforhope)

I have and still can relate to "your" despair and I have done my earthly best as a soul in the process of being saved for 37 yrs. About 5-6 years ago I read Psa 139:7  Whither do I go from Thy Spirit? And whither from Thy face do I flee?
Psa 139:8  If I ascend the heavens--there Thou art , And spread out a couch in Sheol, lo, Thee!
And I was made to realize that truth. HE is there...ALL the time. I cannot begin to discern your dream, but I was praying several years ago, praying all that your post offers and even perhaps more, when I paused-waited, to add more of my failures and weaknesses, and in that silence I heard, yes I heard just two words....I KNOW. That bit of knowledge, that small offering, has given me a great deal of peace. I am what I am, [and He Knows] I cannot be anything else... UNTIL He continues His work in me and holding to the hope and faith given to me, through His Grace, He will complete His work in me as with you and ALL.  :dsunny: Jesus is Risin!
PS I do know that you are not a nephilim.

 Dear Brother,  the seed of doubt of your salvation and that God loves you....feeds the spirit of anger....

and when the anger brings forth in you it's fruit...then great saddness,despair and sorrow comes upn you.

...though sorrow can lead to godly repentance..it is not spiritually healthy for you to be in constant sorrow

and feeling dejected.  It can turn into a vicious cycle of torment to one of His children.

    may your Faith in HIm be strengthened..so these 'fiery darts' can be repelled.  Solid unwavering

  Faith in His son and the salvation and great love the Father has for all men..will be like armour

for you against the adversary.   We are all in this same battle....my brother..and struggle with

the same things.

   doubt is a seed of the serpent.......look! in the garden the first feiry dart of the serpents tougne was

to spill forth doubt of the Father's word[did God really say..you are saved..surely not] to man


   In your dream.....the serpents seed[netheleum] are those who name God but say that only a. few

shall be saved..or that God and Jesus will not save all men.    He has shown you those who make you

doubt and cast you to the earth dejected.  He has revealed to you the trap of the enemy..so you

may escape.  the  rooms are different sites/different spiritual places..that you have visited........

  the Nethileoum seed/serpents seed...makes you 'blue' my brother. Avoid visiting at these 'rooms'

...the serpent opened his mouth and cast out waters[dragon floods of cndemnation] to try and

wash the woman away.  this is what the adversary has been attempting to do with you.

  But the Lord God of Heaven has spoken to you in a dream and revealed the enemies  devices

to you...to deliver you from the snare...because He loves you.  Take heart..know He loves you!

   May you find rest in Him along with us.  Stay here with us..be fed and strengthened..this is a place

of spiritual succour.

Thank you so much for your loving words...I really do appreciate it.   Sorry about the gender non- specific username Sheila...I am actually female, but I didn't mind being called your Brother at all. 

You can probably tell I'm in a pretty dark place at the moment.  You see,  I haven't abided in Him...I stopped going to church, reading the Word, praying...you'd never have guessed I had even heard of Jesus.  All this after coming out of a dreadful period over 7 years ago, when I promised that if I came out the other side that He would be at the centre of my life. (It was during this period that I came to the truth about UR on this site) I meant it with all my heart but it never happened.    I've turned away from him twice now. I feel like the branch that has been cut off the vine.  Its a scary place to be   :sigh:

I don't know if God is giving you a hard time but remember this:


Psalm 30:5 For his anger lasts only a moment, but his favor lasts a lifetime; weeping may stay for the night, but rejoicing comes in the morning.

I've been where you are.  God is always there.  When I was young I started to understand that God was with me all the time.  I made a conscious choice to bring God with me even when was was hitting the bars.

Ephesians 2:17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

You know I walked away from Christ and told the world.  Figured I'd never be back....................LOL
I'd copy and paste LOL a thousand times because it is not me that has a hold of Him, it is Him that has a hold of me.

Hang in there.  God is with you.

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Sister... :girlheart:     since you describe yourself as a dry branch[not that I think it] then we are instructed

  to snatch you from the fire,girl!!   Listen...if our salvation depended on what we do or do not do......

    all is lost[all men condemned under the law]

     I heard about the salvation of all in 1973...and rejected it........for 30 yrs............sort of puts

your 7 years in a different perspective,doesn't it?

   all I know is that He has shown great pateince and enduring love to me..all this time[even when I

felt I must be cut off from Him,too]  and He is no respector of persons...........

    Iv'e been in that place where I am unable to do a single thing...where I 'muck it up" on everything

  I attempt.  He put me there,I found..to make me see that it was not dependant on my flesh..and

also that it is the will and desire of God..that no flesh boast[that includes,especially the saints]

    still..somedays I have bad day's and feel worthless...on such days I tell myself..if I can do one

thing today..one act of honouring Him and expressing my love and appreciation of Him..in some

way,no matter how small..or insignificant....then I am not so worthless and this day was not a total loss!

  whether showing love,mercy or pateince to some-one..being hospitable,encouraging....being extra-

kind to my pets, fixing something special as a treat for my grand-daughter. It's the little things....

  He called the common everyday run of the mill men and women....He knows we are broken...it is

  Him that will restore.

    HIS LOVE ENDURES FOREVER

   when I was young.....I had a notion that I was going to do some great thing for God!  Lol!

   foolishness of youth and the carnal flesh!!!   Now, I know it will be some 'little' thing..if at all......

  and you know...I'm content with that......for He never had any great expectations of me,anyway! lol!

   He knows what dwells in the flesh!  and I have found this in Him,instead....that He has exceeded

far and above..any expectation I ever had of Him!.  I never imagined..His true thoughts and heart"

Quote from: lookingforhope on February 21, 2014, 08:06:44 PM
Thank you so much for your loving words...I really do appreciate it.   Sorry about the gender non- specific username Sheila...I am actually female, but I didn't mind being called your Brother at all. 

You can probably tell I'm in a pretty dark place at the moment.  You see,  I haven't abided in Him...I stopped going to church, reading the Word, praying...you'd never have guessed I had even heard of Jesus.  All this after coming out of a dreadful period over 7 years ago, when I promised that if I came out the other side that He would be at the centre of my life. (It was during this period that I came to the truth about UR on this site) I meant it with all my heart but it never happened.    I've turned away from him twice now. I feel like the branch that has been cut off the vine.  Its a scary place to be   :sigh:

Ah but sister the branch can be grafted back in! God never gives up on us. The way I see it we are forever learning & growing in this life. We all beat ourselves up a bit when we fail, but imo (in my opinion) if you're feeling a little upset or guilty that's a sign that you love God & you want to please Him!

I actually was talking about how we sometimes beat ourselves or other up about our sins (or theirs), but sin is a part of the human nature & this flesh we are in. The spirit wants to please God, but the flesh rejects God, it cannot please Him. Even the most devout Christians stumble, but God says He can & WILL graft you back in.

Walk in love, trust God & He will make the changes in you! You wont become absolutely perfect in this life, but God has that waiting for all of us in His good time :HeartThrob:

& Despite it all God loves you anyway, more than you can even imagine!!

Job 14:5  Seeing his days are determined, the number of his months are with thee, thou hast appointed his bounds that he cannot pass;
Job 14:6  Turn from him, that he may rest, till he shall accomplish, as an hireling, his day.
Job 14:7  For there is hope of a tree, if it be cut down, that it will sprout again, and that the tender branch thereof will not cease.
Job 14:8  Though the root thereof wax old in the earth, and the stock thereof die in the ground;
Job 14:9  Yet through the scent of water it will bud, and bring forth boughs like a plant.
Job 14:10  But man dieth, and wasteth away: yea, man giveth up the ghost, and where is he?
Job 14:11  As the waters fail from the sea, and the flood decayeth and drieth up:
Job 14:12  So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep.
Job 14:13  O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me!
Job 14:14  If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come.
Job 14:15  Thou shalt call, and I will answer thee: thou wilt have a desire to the work of thine hands. :dsunny: Glory

You've all written such heartfelt messages...thank you.

I really do think I never had the baptism of the holy spirit...there is nothing to suggest I did.  So I'm still in the outer court (relating to the tabernacle) unable to get any further. Is this because I wasn't willing to offer myself as a sacrifice?   Quite possibly..I saw my faith as part of me rather than all of me.  I didn't love God enough I suppose.   Or maybe I didn't have enough faith to truly trust in Him and actually believe I am saved.  But faith is a gift from Him, so that makes me feel rejected. 

I'm sorry to be dwelling on the milk...but then the rest of this forum has more than enough meat for you all to be chewing on!

I must get up and try to face the day. It really is an hour at a time at the moment.  To make the picture a bit clearer, I am physically unwell at the moment although no diagnosis given yet...having tests...hence the very dark place when Im thinking that I'm not his.  The nephilim dream (vision? I was sort of half awake) really knocked me for six...

Thank you all  for listening  :girlheart:

  Dear   L.F Hope !
  So sorry  for what you are going though , its  sure a  thing of faith and endurance 

 
Yesterday was  a bit busy for me so I never got to post  , but 
I wanted  to know , did you do any looking  on the word Nephilliam ?
Since you heard only that word ?

I have dreams on occasion , that are  strange  as well ,
  I hope you do not    get scared  because  of them .

And as you can tell we have some wonderful  , friends like family here   to discuss them

Please dont  give up or go back into  quiet  ,I am  for one glad your here  sis as well as others !

   the renown   means  shem or name name Strong's H8034 - shem


name

reputation, fame, glory

the Name (as designation of God)

memorial, monument



niplilliam

Its like many man made terms  [rapture, trinity  etc, nephilliam]  these are  words made to describe   what  many are just  hoping to  explain  what they mean .

  This Wordfrom the Bible   comes from the Hebrew  word Strong's H5303 - nĕphiyl
and    and meanings  vary  , when reading lexicons and explainations commentaries and  dictonaries  etc .

      the   term giant ,  men large in stature is a source   but also well known  , like tribes of  peoples  in various groups  and such

Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Num 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
Deu 2:11 Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites call them Emims.
Deu 2:20 (That also was accounted a land of giants: giants dwelt therein in old time; and the Ammonites call them Zamzummims;
Deu 3:11 For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold, his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.
Deu 3:13 And the rest of Gilead, and all Bashan, being the kingdom of Og, gave I unto the half tribe of Manasseh; all the region of Argob, with all Bashan, which was called the land of giants.
Jos 12:4 And the coast of Og king of Bashan, which was of the remnant of the giants, that dwelt at Ashtaroth and at Edrei,
Jos 13:12 All the kingdom of Og in Bashan, which reigned in Ashtaroth and in Edrei, who remained of the remnant of the giants: for these did Moses smite, and cast them out.
Jos 15:8 And the border went up by the valley of the son of Hinnom unto the south side of the Jebusite; the same is Jerusalem: and the border went up to the top of the mountain that lieth before the valley of Hinnom westward, which is at the end of the valley of the giants northward:
Jos 17:15 And Joshua answered them, If thou be a great people, then get thee up to the wood country, and cut down for thyself there in the land of the Perizzites and of the giants, if mount Ephraim be too narrow for thee

QuoteAre there still descendants of the Nephilim on Earth today and do you think they are they out of reach of salvation through Jesus?

your main question    that was hoping to be answered  is yes, to me I believe whole heartly   that  JESUS will  accomplish  absolving all things into HIMSELF    for all things were made by and though HIM [WORD OF GOD ] and cannot fail 


there always hope , hopeful !!
God bless you and yours 

It seems some times in Christianity there are two doors

1) Door one you receive the blessings of God for pleasing him.
2) Door two you receive the blessings of God because he has mercy on you.

Door one is a trap door.

Amen and Amen!

A few thoughts:

The Nephilim were hugely tall, with six fingers & toes, and double rows of teeth.  All the skeletons are very ancient, so they appear to be extinct.  Many here on this site maintain that ALL of God's creation will be redeemed and restored, and that must include the Nephilim, as God cannot become All in all, unless everyone (all) bend the knee and confess Jesus as their God and their Lord.

One of our problems as human beings is our limited perspective.  We don't see the end from the beginning, as God does.  This can lead to despair in bad circumstances.  This has NOTHING to do with our salvation, for Jesus takes, and has taken, care of that.  Look to God, look to Jesus, and not to your own circumstances.  Your present situation is not your destiny. 

The meaning of your vision may take a long time to clarify.  I have had dreams and visions which took years to understand fully, and if I had done so quickly, my life might have taken a different course.  Yet I know that my steps, day by day, are established by the Lord, and I just have to believe that He delights in my way.  Your path is different, but the Goal is the same - a happy forever in His kingdom.  :cloud9:

Quote from: Lazarus Short on February 24, 2014, 06:10:02 AM
A few thoughts:

The Nephilim were hugely tall, with six fingers & toes, and double rows of teeth.  All the skeletons are very ancient, so they appear to be extinct

The skeletons seem to decrease in size assuming they are Nephlim skeletons. 6 finger still exists btw http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polydactyly




. 

QuoteMany here on this site maintain that ALL of God's creation will be redeemed and restored, and that must include the Nephilim, as God cannot become All in all, unless everyone (all) bend the knee and confess Jesus as their God and their Lord.

Then the question is this: Are Nephlim God's creation? There are 3 ways to spell life in Hebrew.

Quote from: WhiteWings on February 24, 2014, 08:32:17 AM

Quote from: Lazarus Short on February 24, 2014, 06:10:02 AM
A few thoughts:

The Nephilim were hugely tall, with six fingers & toes, and double rows of teeth.  All the skeletons are very ancient, so they appear to be extinct

The skeletons seem to decrease in size assuming they are Nephlim skeletons. 6 finger still exists btw http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polydactyly




. 

QuoteMany here on this site maintain that ALL of God's creation will be redeemed and restored, and that must include the Nephilim, as God cannot become All in all, unless everyone (all) bend the knee and confess Jesus as their God and their Lord.

Then the question is this: Are Nephlim God's creation? There are 3 ways to spell life in Hebrew.

Thanks for the correction - these things do turn up from time to time.  As to God's creation, I tend to think that God takes responsibility for everything in the universe He created.  At the same time, I know that not all livings things are considered "life" in a certain sense.  There is a bias toward air-breathers having breath.

It was not a correction Laz.
Just pointing out it exists, meaning it could be Nephlim or just birth defects.
Not everyone that isn't exactly according to 'standard' is demonic...
We must take care not to label people (to quickly). Not so long ago having a big nose was enough to be labeled half animal...

 
 

Spelling	Pictographic symbols spell	Meaning
Chet-yod-yod	A fence of protection around the work of God's hands.	Man. Created by God's hands.
Chet-yod	A fence of protection around God's work	All life including humans. Animals are spoken into existence.
Chet	A fence of protection	Nephilim. Not God's creation.

 men of renown.....greek mythological gods..etc..apollo..zeus..etc...said offspring of men and

   'the gods'.   In effect these fallen angels[spirits] took whomever they pleased to bring forth

  a spirit/human mix...human flesh manipulated and with supernatural'powers' that really originated

from the evil spirit[rebellious angel]

  now,examine it as an evil contrast..to the good and Holy in Christ.......the virgin conceived of

  the Holy spirit...the word of God come in flesh..instead of the word of a slanderer evil demon come

in flesh.............born of a woman under law.....   Jesus was fully human in flesh..but the power of His

Father was with him.  same thing with  these 'giants"...the power of the evil spirit was with them...

  but it was a strength of the flesh[thus the giant part of the equation]...see how it works..against

  the will of God..that says..by my spirit?...and no flesh shall boast?

   all men[ that dwelt in flesh] are saved of Jesus Christ...delivered from the evil one..for this

reason the word of God come in flesh and took the appearance of sin..as a ransom for all......

and He sahll appear again and seperate the people from their sin.

   is man's flesh corrupted by demons/evil fallen angels..yep...is man saved  from this body of death

by the gift of eternal life through the son of God? yep.

  all en are saved...and just as satan says 'is it really true that God and Jesus have given all men the

free gift of eternal life "? and surely not,for God knows some men are mine...let me remind you

that all of us were bound up in sinand at enmity with God...and the serpents seed remains at enmity

with the woman's seed..but through one man,Jesus Christ forgiveness of sins for all men.

  this is not good..to be casting doubt on the salvation of all men...................all men shall be

delivered from this body undergoing this death.  All in Adam shall be raised up in Christ.....

     have not the demonically possessed super-human strength? will not the strong-man first be

bound so that 'his' house can be pillaged? [demons think man's body[house] is theirs for the taking..

but God created man for His spirit to dwell in.}  Does not the God of heaven deliver us from the

enemy that is stronger then we are[weak flesh]?  are not all men to be clothed in Christ? the glory

of an incorruptible celestial body? 


      anything less then the salvation of all men[Adam..even though corruption/death entered] is not

good and is the venom of the viper's............  my  :2c:

  and Rose..men of renown[name] as children of the gods..apollos etc...yes......

  but God also deemed to make a 'name for himself"  and 'Shem[Genesis 10;1]  and took out a

people fore His name...Hebrews  Shem ancestor of all the people of Eber.[hebrew]

  and so we have 'name' in both a good/evil contrast....rebellious sons of God and people taaaaken out

for God's name.

Hi Searcher

I'm aware of your plight but be sure, in fact, certain that the Father is in control. You are in His hand. The things He tells us and/or speaks through our brethren, are Gospel. An angel gives you those things and they have power to bring you up above the tension and darkness. I wouldn't worry about the nephilim, just hold onto the things, by faith, that the Lord gives you. I can't stress this enough!

Your salvation is a done deal period. This time will pass, you will know joy and peace again, but the Lord chastises us so that we may be disciplined. These things all happen in the spirituals.

Many good replies here, hold on to the things that are helpful, write them down and carry them in your pocket, then when your adversary approaches, pull out that "Sword of the Spirit" and read it out to that messenger of God. Yes, I say messenger of God, even Satan is a messenger of God.

BTW, There is no pass or fail in this. God will have His way, be encouraged in that.

I'll be praying for you.
Praise God and His wondrous ways  :dsunny:

From the original post..."Are there still descendants of the Nephilim on Earth today......" just why or how would a person even come up with such a thought, unless christian religions and denominations keep such thoughts moldable in the mind of those seeking refuge and peace? Should the truth be offered, preached, and ministered, souls with great pain in their consciousness of past deeds, would never have a need to even be able to come up with such thoughts. When the Father draws one to His Son Jesus, that one knows, that a work has begun...and a dark thought of such a thing as "Nephilim" would never arise in thought. I am just amazed........certainly and by all cause, this is just my opinion. :banana:

Quote from: lookingforhope on February 21, 2014, 12:16:42 PM
Thank for replying White wings. 

So if I'm unfortunate enough to be a descendent there's no hope?  I'm sorry to sound so dramatic but it was like the white robes were meant for the redeemed and then I was taken into this other room meant for the nephilim. That's where it ended.  It was so vivid and has left me feeling scared.   

I'm in a pretty dark place right now anyway and am trying to trust in God but then I get thrown this curveball .

The fact that you actually despair about your salvation tells me all I need to know.  Your desire comes from God...and God alone.  It's all about seasons.  I said a salvation prayer when I was 7.  I was very aware of God from an early age, Jesus even came to me in a dream when I was very young.  But, life happened...sins abounded...my fruit was bad...and I grew in my despair.  I felt different...separate from others...certainly separate from Christians.  I became a drunk and a drug addict.  It was a stage..an age.  It was supposed to bring despair.  It was supposed to bring me to the end of my rope.  It was supposed to convince me that I couldn't...and never could earn my salvation or God's love.  When I finally figured out I couldn't I became teachable. 

You struggle with a relationship with you.  It starts there.  You feel like a Nephalim because you can't accept the fact that God adores you, and you don't have to do anything to earn that.  You are beautiful in God's sight, but you can only look at your failures.  Until you can forgive yourself, and love yourself...you will struggle accepting God's love. 

Shawn, excellent post brother!

Micah, you would be quite amazed at the dark thoughts that can enter the human mind. A lot of those (I am convinced) come from the Christian religion. They cast fear into the mind in order to control people and to get money from them.

This means that we need the Holy Spirit (who leads us into all truth) to teach us to wage the battle of the thought life. That leads to Yeshua again and again and again, until the point where we are convinced that those thoughts are not of God. Then we come to the realization that God loves us , He created us, all the same species yet all unique, all different DNA.

The devil is always looking for worship, that we bow before him and believe his lies. We have to believe what God tells us and believe His truth which will make us free.


Sorry bro, I don't mean to correct you, it's just that I had a period in my life that was very dark and I was hampered with all sorts of crazy thoughts.

Take care

Jock  :Peace2:

Quote from: lookingforhope on February 22, 2014, 10:26:19 AM
You've all written such heartfelt messages...thank you.

I really do think I never had the baptism of the holy spirit...there is nothing to suggest I did.  So I'm still in the outer court (relating to the tabernacle) unable to get any further. Is this because I wasn't willing to offer myself as a sacrifice?   Quite possibly..I saw my faith as part of me rather than all of me.  I didn't love God enough I suppose.   Or maybe I didn't have enough faith to truly trust in Him and actually believe I am saved.  But faith is a gift from Him, so that makes me feel rejected. 

I'm sorry to be dwelling on the milk...but then the rest of this forum has more than enough meat for you all to be chewing on!

I must get up and try to face the day. It really is an hour at a time at the moment.  To make the picture a bit clearer, I am physically unwell at the moment although no diagnosis given yet...having tests...hence the very dark place when Im thinking that I'm not his.  The nephilim dream (vision? I was sort of half awake) really knocked me for six...

Thank you all  for listening  :girlheart:

I've been wondering how you are.   Yes, there will be Nephilim in the last days.  He tells us it will be as in the days of Noah, and, you understand,  the days of Noah came about because of the Nephilim and the evil in men's hearts.  I see your dream as a vision.  As He is telling you--it is the last days.

Yes, you can have the indwelt Holy Spirit.  Ask Jesus to give Him to you.  The fact that you realize you never had him is a very good sign.  He wants you to have the Holy Spirit.  He doesn't desire a sacrifice, but a humble heart, which you clearly have.  Ask Jesus to give you the Holy Spirit.


Mark 12:33
To love him with all your heart, with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices."

Quote from: Jock on February 25, 2014, 11:55:39 AM
Shawn, excellent post brother!

Micah, you would be quite amazed at the dark thoughts that can enter the human mind. A lot of those (I am convinced) come from the Christian religion. They cast fear into the mind in order to control people and to get money from them.

This means that we need the Holy Spirit (who leads us into all truth) to teach us to wage the battle of the thought life. That leads to Yeshua again and again and again, until the point where we are convinced that those thoughts are not of God. Then we come to the realization that God loves us , He created us, all the same species yet all unique, all different DNA.

The devil is always looking for worship, that we bow before him and believe his lies. We have to believe what God tells us and believe His truth which will make us free.


Sorry bro, I don't mean to correct you, it's just that I had a period in my life that was very dark and I was hampered with all sorts of crazy thoughts.

Take care

Jock  :Peace2:

You did not correct me friend you agreed with me! :dsunny:

The feet of the statue are iron mixed with clay.

clay = man
iron = angel
combined = Nephlim

You know, I'm quite sure that we all are tempted in many ways, voices/thoughts/mistranslation of scripture/dreams/visions. We are to test the spirits (angels and demons are ministering spirits) to see if they are of God. As part of that, I think (imo) that we should stand back and take a look at these things in the light of Christ.

Do they bring joy, comfort, peace, and all the good things that our loving Father and His Son are. But do they bring fear, hopelessness, confusion, depression, loneliness' and misery, saying that we are half man or half animal or some kind of freak show and that God will just destroy us. Is that Christ? I think not.

He is a refuge for those who are burdened and have no rest. "

• Come unto me all ye who labour and are heavy laden and I will give you rest"

[/list  His yoke is easy, His burden is light. We must learn to don our armour and wield that mighty sword and put our enemies and His, to flight. May He grant us a discerning of spirits. If something (in spirit) isn't good to eat, don't eat of it.

Shalom

Jock.[/list]

Thank you all for your encouragement.  I am in a better place than a week ago ...it really does seem that God is reaching out to me in a myriad of different ways.  Of course , it's a battle not to let the adversary steal these moments with a "just a coincidence" but I'm choosing to trust in my Heavenly Father never to let me go.

     :thumbsup:   those who trust in Him are never disappointed.......  God Bless..........

Hey LFH, Yayyyyy! So glad to hear that. We all learn from each other's experiences, and the Body is built up.

Bless you.  :banana:  :banana:  :Peace2:  :dsunny:

Jock.

Quote from: lookingforhope on February 21, 2014, 08:06:44 PM
  Its a scary place to be   :sigh:

I've been concerned about you and I hope you are still going to come back to be with us.
Just because you are going through a dark night of the soul doesn't mean you can't come and fellowship. :girlheart:
Jesus DID go to the lame and the halt and the blind, so if you are in that place He certainly wouldn't reject you.
Don't let go, girl.

This thread reminds me of what a friend of mine says.  He speaks of what he calls the "anthropic principle," and I see it in essence as "love your neighbor as yourself."  He takes it so far that he even speaks of amoebas displaying it - if one amoeba has difficulty in mitosis, others will come near to help out...and so the body is built up.  :friendstu: :gimmefive: :friendstu:

Hello again

Every day is still a struggle and I know that so many people are praying for me including many who have never even met me...thank you

I have had so many coincidences happen where it feels like God is affirming his love, but the mind is very good at reasoning it away.  I then  had a really tough night when it really felt like I  was wrestling with a demon.  I tried to say  Jesus but my mouth was paralysed and I could actually hear myself  trying to speak in the room...sort of groaning... It was like being half awake..  I was as cold as ice all over. The following night I stayed at a christian friends house and I know she was awake most of the night praying  for me.  I felt a peace over me  though...quite unexplainable...almost like I was ready for battle.  I was as cold as ice again...my friend commented on it.  Anyway, several times over the next few hours I would get these cold shivers and a very heavy weight in my chest and  I just rebuked it again and again in the name of Jesus, and using whatever scripture I could summon up.  It seemed to work...the heavy weight would go and  the cold  would  dissipate.  I also felt calm.  I know that most of my Christian friends just think  I've had some nightmares ...when you are in a depression (which I am)  it's quite hard to be taken seriously.   But it felt so real.  Does this  experience resonate with anyone?

Changing topic , can I ask a question please?  Why do some Christians seemingly not experience baptism of the spirit...which seems to manifest itself in many ways like 'feeling surrounded by love', speaking in tongues, being slain in the spirit etc.  I know we are supposed to walk by faith and not rely on feelings but  it's mighty hard sometimes.

Thanks for listening x

 it's a progressive walk in the spirit.  Ephesians 6;10  speaks the spiritual armour of God...........belt of truth

   around your waist...BREASTPieCE OF RIGHTEOUSNESSS[God's and Jesus love for you..that will give you the

free gift of righteousness through Christ]..  Sheild of faith.= faith in God who will have ALL men saved.helment

of salvation[know this so the seed of doubt the liar speaks to your mind will not cause you to doubt or trust in

God and His love for you..sword of the spirt[word of God].......

     may His mercy,love and peace comfort you..equip you and strengthen you in the Lord.

    FEAR NOT..little flock..for I have overcome the world.......the spirit of Christ overcomes all things and put's

them into subjection. Beleive and trust in that!


                                                                       :HeartThrob:

Quote from: lookingforhope on March 06, 2014, 04:27:59 PM
Hello again


Changing topic , can I ask a question please?  Why do some Christians seemingly not experience baptism of the spirit...which seems to manifest itself in many ways like 'feeling surrounded by love', speaking in tongues, being slain in the spirit etc.  I know we are supposed to walk by faith and not rely on feelings but  it's mighty hard sometimes.

Thanks for listening x

Howdy lfh!

I was in the park yesterday with the grandchild.  I was taken by how different all the kids were.  We all come from different places, are raised differently, have odd and differing influences is our lives.  There are doctrinal answers as to why not all get this or that.  The doctrinal answers differ with the sect that is dishing it out.  There is only one answer for you, and it is specific for you, form the councilor that is within working with you.

Your feelings are there for a reason.  They are helpers as well.

One verse that helped me realize that was in Romans.

Romans 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

How do we realize death, life, and peace without our feelings?  Not sure where the doctrine "don't trust your feelings" comes from.  As a doctrine I would have to refute it in my own life.  My feelings are there for a reason.  Learning to trust the the word that is in you is where you are heading. The basics are faith, hope, and love.  Faith will change as you learn and grow.  What you belief must be questioned, by you.  You are doing that now.   We will continue to work it through with you.

Ask and you shall receive.

You are doing the right thing by asking.  There are many able ministers here who will have great input.  Can't wait!  Thanks for asking!

:thumbsup:

Hi Ed, cool post bro, but I have to detract from your emphasis on feelings (emotion). I was around Pentecostal circles for a while and they would whip themselves up to a high peak and then all the slaying of the spirit (so called) prophecies, words of knowledge and healings would be happening. As soon as the service was over, all of that stopped.

Of course we have feelings but we should not allow ourselves to be led by them. If we know that God is the source of those emotions, then let it rip! As members of one Body we are to be sober and upright as we walk by faith, as Sheila mentioned.

Our emotions have to be washed, as does our conscience. The gifts of the Spirit are used here in Tentmaker a lot, but always to honour Christ and build up His Body. The members exercising those gifts, probably don't even know it at the time because they have their eyes Heavenward. I don't want to follow doctrines either, I want to follow Yeshua.

I liked how you shared from the heart, Ed. I hesitated to write this post but then I knew I needed to.

Tit 2:2 That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience

1Pet 1:13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ

In His Love
Bless you mate

Jock.  :Peace2:

Quote from: Jock on March 06, 2014, 07:37:06 PM


I hesitated to write this post but then I knew I needed to.

Good points Jock.

How did you know?  How does the Spirit work us?

I agree it is not about getting worked up into a frenzy or anything like that.  Lots of people come from that background.

QuoteChanging topic , can I ask a question please?  Why do some Christians seemingly not experience baptism of the spirit...which seems to manifest itself in many ways like 'feeling surrounded by love', speaking in tongues, being slain in the spirit etc.  I know we are supposed to walk by faith and not rely on feelings but  it's mighty hard sometimes.

Our relationship with Christ is the question here.   The intimate relationship.  I feel something when I talk about it.  How can we have a relationship without intimacy? 

I'm pretty sure  we are instructed to have "fervent love one for another".  What do we do when the feeling is gone?  The question is why do some people have it and some people do not?  How do we get it.  How did you get it?

:Peace2: Jock

Ed, you are absolutely right about Love and the Love of God is much greater than an emotion. To be honest with you, when I think of God's Love, I can't fathom it! It's too big and all encompassing. When we come together at TM, we ARE knowing intimacy in Christ and each other, He has promised to be with us when we gather in His name.

We must learn to walk by faith and the Spirit will lead us down that path. When Yeshua was baptized by John the Baptist in the Jordan, the Voice of the Father spoke from above saying, "This is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased" Wow!!! What a high that must have been. But then He is led into the wilderness BY the Holy Spirit, to be tempted by the devil in his weakest moments after a 40 day fast.

I'll bet that the high from Jordan was gone so the Lord did something wonderful, He (by faith) answered satan with the words of His brother's the prophets. It is "written". You see, Jesus had no strength left, He was almost dead but He knew the Word and that was His defence.

Don't worry about the getting of this, you will be brought into it.

Gnnight old chap  :winkgrin:

Jock.

   sometimes...when we feel 'all poured out/empty" we have to ask Him to fill us again...see...He has the

spirit without measure...and we have to 'buy it' from Him...and only Him..but the funny thing is..even though we

buy it from Him...it's free!

   BUY=to obtain at a price[His blood] purchase[redeemer]

    evr here that saying'Im' not buying that!" meaning...I don't beleive that......buy the truth and sell it not!

     to buy is to beleive in the one He sent!

    Come! Buy without money   [Isaaih 55]  why spend money on what is not bread..and your labour on what

does not satisfy?

     LISTEN....LISTEN TO ME[this is my son...hear ye Him] and eat what is good.......

QuoteLISTEN....LISTEN TO ME[this is my son...hear ye Him] and eat what is good.......

So true.  Eating what is good, fosters the intimacy.

The church taught power of the spirit is fine for a few hours.  When you leave you are left with your relationship that you have fostered daily with Jesus Christ.  That is what I mean by an intimate relationship.  You don't get an intimate relationship by going to church and trying to do what they do.  You get the intimate relationship with the daily walk with Christ.

Who you spend time with you become like.  Spend the time with Jesus, and learn the inside out relationship that has been given to us.

The reason that some do not get the manifestations is because they don't need it.  They have the intimacy and know that they don't need the approval of men.  They have all the spirituality they need.   The other reason would be that they are trying to do it backwards.  They want to be fed by a spiritual leader other then Christ. 

Matthew 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

If we are to seek first the kingdom of heaven then the kingdom of heaven is find-able and attainable for the present moment.  It is a daily fellowship with the heavenly kingdom. 

Colossians 3:2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.

A moment by moment practice.  Don't worry about what the rest of the church is working on.  You don't have to have it like they have it.  Your relationship is between you and God.  Don't measure it by any other standard then the what you learn of Christ in the intimate relationship that you have fostered daily, moment by moment.

That is not to say that you can't learn from others, but it is only after it has gone through the process of proving.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

LF Hope

Sounds like you need rest. Jesus Christ IS the Sabbath Rest of God and He sits at the right hand of our Father and they are at rest. Rest, spiritually, mentally and physically and when you hear Him speak, you will know Rest.

The Lord won't ever leave you nor forsake you, just rest.

:HeartThrob: Jock.

Quote from: lookingforhope on February 21, 2014, 12:16:42 PM
Thank for replying White wings. 

So if I'm unfortunate enough to be a descendent there's no hope?  I'm sorry to sound so dramatic but it was like the white robes were meant for the redeemed and then I was taken into this other room meant for the nephilim. That's where it ended.  It was so vivid and has left me feeling scared.   

I'm in a pretty dark place right now anyway and am trying to trust in God but then I get thrown this curveball .

Quote from: micah7:9 on February 21, 2014, 04:14:15 PM
"I've never changed to be more like Christ since I found Him 12 years ago. In fact I would say I'm a worse person now, with so many issues, especially anger.  I despair of myself most of the time.  I've always felt different to other Christians in that they hear from him, experience him and have evidence of Him working in their lives. I have none of this as I just bear bad fruit.  So maybe I am different. I can no longer summon up enough faith to say I am His. " (lookingforhope)

I have and still can relate to "your" despair and I have done my earthly best as a soul in the process of being saved for 37 yrs. About 5-6 years ago I read Psa 139:7  Whither do I go from Thy Spirit? And whither from Thy face do I flee?
Psa 139:8  If I ascend the heavens--there Thou art , And spread out a couch in Sheol, lo, Thee!
And I was made to realize that truth. HE is there...ALL the time. I cannot begin to discern your dream, but I was praying several years ago, praying all that your post offers and even perhaps more, when I paused-waited, to add more of my failures and weaknesses, and in that silence I heard, yes I heard just two words....I KNOW. That bit of knowledge, that small offering, has given me a great deal of peace. I am what I am, [and He Knows] I cannot be anything else... UNTIL He continues His work in me and holding to the hope and faith given to me, through His Grace, He will complete His work in me as with you and ALL.  :dsunny: Jesus is Risin!
PS I do know that you are not a nephilim.

I so agree!!  :iagree: :iagree: !

I remind myself that people, even people of God show their best face to others.. We don't often see the struggles.. won or seemingly 'lost' - we know they are won by the Word, the sWord of Truth..

But! we don't always feel as tho they are won!

I also, veRy strongly believe the fallen angels, dark entities, make personal war against us. I truly believe we would aLL be dead if not for the protection of His Presence.. (His Spirit)

And this warfare against us, waged personally, is further proof we are His! The Lord's own, whom He loves dearly. Once I can overcome the realm of my own feelings and live by faith.. those dark delusions fall away..

Oh I believe the enemies are clever.. as i age.. every twing.. oh, is that cancer? Begone demon/untruth!

"Look at your life, circumstances.. health, whatever, your own reponses, etc, etc.. proves God-doesn't-love-you!" Begone demon/untruth in the name of Jesus!

Oh yes, dead, all of us, is the goal. We can only saturate ourselves in the word.

A few years back I was running around all angry, and broke a footstool my son had made for me in highschool shop.. (no it was never repaired) At the point of impact.. angry over the fight, the struggling.. the demons of darkness and despair of life.. light like a ray, entered.. and I realized.. I did it. I got angry. I broke the footstool, the craft of my son. And really all I had to do at any point, was stop.

I learned years ago and previous to that, to replace every single negative thought with a faith filled positive one. Yes in my mind put a big X over the negative thought, and deliberately replace it with a positive one, best case scenario, with scripture declaration, promise, etc. At darkest times it's simply "Jesus is Lord". At other times of dark struggle, I have repeated "Jesus, Jesus, Jesus...." when I felt I simply could do nothing more.

In your dream.. the word "nephilim" spoken as an accusation.. and as a threat.. accusation and threat is not the voice of the Lord, but is the voice of the liar..

Your enemies will do aNything to stop you. Or that is to say, they will try.. but "underneath are the everlasting arms" the Lord says "I have loved you with an everlasting love, therefor have I drawn thee.." Jer 31:3 And the more warfare against you (imo) the greater plans of the Lord to use you.

"He who dreams a dream let him be a dreamer, but he who has the word, let him speak" or something like that.. paraphrased rather poorly, from memory :)) "Thy Word is Truth" all else... neither here nor there, i.e. doesn't really matter!!
   :girlheart: God bless!

p.S. - i once felt the Lord showed me when I have yielded, yielded all my being to Him, that's when I should start pulling up floorboards.. i.e. keep consciously yielding..

Amen.. rest... we have only one commandment and that's it.. rest in him.. abide in him.. the fruit on the vine doesn't struggle, it simply rests on the vine.. simply believing is also "fruit"..

I thought that commandment was Love? :dsunny: Still there is rest in that for sure! :Peace2:

wonderful Marie , you last   posts  are   :thumbsup:

  yes Love ,  we rest in GODS LOVE    for all   Micah  :dsunny:

Marie, I have been enjoying reading your posts on this thread in particular. I very much agree about the "fallen" who attack us. I get it lots. I have a whole list of health issues, three of them life threatening so there is a lot of whisperings and chattering going on, like "God is punishing you for XXXXX in your life. "you won't see the first resurrection because you left the last group where God had placed you".

LF Hope, I know what you mean, it IS mighty hard to stand in faith against their wiles because there is power there. Principalities and powers of the air. I tell you this though, Faith can never be defeated even though it "feels" like it can.

It helps me sometimes to look at the birds of the air, little birds flap a lot but the bigger birds way up high, just soar and ride the thermals. I watched the awful tsunami that hit Japan a few years ago and I was shocked at the devastation As it was crashing in, I saw a seagull flying above it and it's kinda like that with us. He builds us up to be like mighty men/women of God and we are all imperfect, well, you guys are, I'm perfect. LOL, just kidding.

Yet those who  wait for the LORD
Will gain new strength;
They will  mount up with wings like eagles,
They will run and not get tired,
They will walk and not become weary.
Isa 41.10

Bless you all

Jock.  :Peace2:

This isn't answering your off topic question but it's something I wrote in response to someone asking what led me to universalism, and I utilized a reference for a dream and how my pre exposure to Et doctrine affected my interpretation. I've always been a dreamer, idk if you are but maybe it can help you look at your dream(s) differently:

Well, I was raised by a father who was raised by ET teaching. I've basically been "in church" (the building) since birth & early on my relationship with God was amazing (maybe because children are more receptive to Him, maybe? Just my opinion tho).  I remember being about 7 or 8 and having a dream (I dream a lot actually).  In the dream, I was in my bed alone & my bed was surrounding by flames & I was frightened, I thought it was hell so I grabbed a bible, that was conveniently on my bed & kept calling on God, however no relief came. I eventually, in the dream, ended up in tears, feeling abandoned & woke up in tears.
My father had told me that when evil spirits caused those dreams & fear to call on the name of God to rebuke them. I had done that, but nothing happened, so then I began to question if I was really saved? Or saved enough? I thought God would never abandon me.

I think that's when my process started, I would spend the next 10 years going back & forth, trying to figure out if I was saved enough, & start noticing a lot of the "issues" in the church.  I used to pray a lot that everyone could be saved, telling God I knew it was in His power & I just didn't see how it was "fair" to punish people for being placed in a situation they didn't ask to be in. I battled with that a lot.. & eventually the constant prayer led me here.

So honestly, I think the glimpsing started a while ago, but the doctrines kept haunting me. I honestly believe though, that things happen in God's good time & there were lessons I needed to learn before He 'lightened" my veil.

Now that I think back on that dream, maybe I interpreted it to be the wrong hell.. there was nothing scary (demonic images or shadows) in it. Just darkness & blue flame. A light in a darkness, maybe a hint of God's consuming fire or presence?? Maybe God didn't come when I called because He was already there, just maybe   

I just watched this video - at about minute 23, the lady has some very interesting things to say about a second species - the Nephilim I'm thinking.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcwnbQzNz9Q

Here's a second witness, a tie-in with the video.

http://www.sunnyskyz.com/good-news/545/DNA-Analysis-Of-Paracas-Elongated-Skulls-Released-The-Results-Prove-They-Were-Not-Human

Quote from: micah7:9 on February 25, 2014, 04:36:32 AM
From the original post..."Are there still descendants of the Nephilim on Earth today......" just why or how would a person even come up with such a thought, unless christian religions and denominations keep such thoughts moldable in the mind of those seeking refuge and peace? Should the truth be offered, preached, and ministered, souls with great pain in their consciousness of past deeds, would never have a need to even be able to come up with such thoughts. When the Father draws one to His Son Jesus, that one knows, that a work has begun...and a dark thought of such a thing as "Nephilim" would never arise in thought. I am just amazed........certainly and by all cause, this is just my opinion. :banana:

Exactly.
It's those who go to extra-biblical sources for their fear-mongering and scare people, mostly to sell books it looks like, who come up with these strange doctrines and scare people, especially the young. Which, in my opinion, is doubly heinous.
Those theories can't stand up unless "supported" if you will, by occult books, or questionable books, at any rate. My opinion, anyway.
One of those "book writers" even has a vid on youtube  that Goliath could regenerate himself unless his head was cut off. Oh, my word! Trouble is, ridiculous as that sounds, many people buy it, hook, line and sinker.

This deal with "Nephilim" reminds me of David Icke and his reptilians. Does it edify Christ and His Bride? I think not. Not a good place for one's eyes to be. Christ desires good fruit!

2 Tim 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

That includes Nephlim who are also mentioned in Revelations.

I, that's me personally await your revelation. :dsunny:

Same here, Nephilim may be in Revelation but I don't have any word from God on it, nothing to back it up, no witness of what it is or what it means to us?

Jock.

No doubt David Icke could tell us  :laugh:

 :cloud9: Nephilim = fallen angels that joined themselves to human women and produced a line of giants, whose appetites were out of control and the cries of people over this reached the ears of God.

There is nothing new under the sun, and the so-called "aliens" are those Nephilim spirits, the angels mentioned in Jude as having been reserved in chains until the time of the end. And they're up to their old tricks.

It's been said this was the underlying reason for the flood, to destroy all the flesh that housed these spirits before. My  :2c:

WW, sorry mate, I take that back.

I was reading about this, here's the link. Very interesting, a lot of it seems to be speculation mixed with truth. Time will tell.

http://gracethrufaith.com/end-times-prophecy/the-nephilim/

my pov...the new and young ones coming in...have many questions......and have heard many different things.   some of these things

  they may have questions about...that are written and testified to in the scriptures ..'aren't pretty"   such topics of 'giants..etc

nephilem...evil spirits.." are spoken of...but may I remind you with God/Christ these are all overcome and conquered.


    edifying...and building up with truth in love....is not accomplished by...'ignoring' a topic ...or   a 'don't speak of such things"

    attitude.   it is enough for you to be like your Lord and Master Jesus Christ.  Mark 1;23.........Be quiet,come out of him!

   it is shown in the scriptures you must overcom the giants inhabiting Canaan to take your inheritance..........and that God

   will go before you and drive them out little by little..............

   when you cross a powerful rebellious spirit with the flesh of man...what do you get? certainly not righteous offspring[Flesh with a

a capital 'F' and powerful rebellious spirit'.......but...may I remind you that flesh and blood does not inherit the Kingdom...any

flesh............


    what does the account of David and Goliath show but..the strength/power of flesh in spirit of opposition to God's will

  must 'give way and fall down before God's annointed one"   whether in the account of David and Goliath..Noah and the ark

  the taking of the land of Canaan...or Nebuchaddnezer's image......what is impossible with men..being possibe with God[by my

spirit].........

       Now..do I see a parallel of the giant's in Noah's day with Giant corporations consuming the resources of the earth today...

  and then turning to consume the people when thoseresources are depleted? sure do.  same spirit in operation

   Lev 18;28......and if you defile the land it will vomit you out...as it vomited out the nations that were before you...........

   the earth helps the woman by opening it's mouth and swallowing the dragon floods...and by vomiting out what defiles.....

   thus they can be 'bound in the earth' and cast out of earth.   Numbers16; 32,33   but if the Lord brings about something

totally new...and the earth opens it's mouth and swallows them with everything that belongs to them..and they go down

alive into the grave...then you will know that these men have treated the Lord with contempt


   authority to overcome all the power of the enemy is granted through Christ...trampling serpents under your feet......

   now,some only come out through prayer[I do beleive,help me "overcome" my unbeleif=prayer]   We must all pray to

  overcome..so we may hear and speak truth...and not be thrown into the water and fire[word/truth that refines] to be put to death

  of an evil spirit  Mark 9;21-29.   this same type thing happened when God spoke from the top of the Mountain to Israel......

   they said 'Let not God speak to us,lest we die".  I can see in my minds eye the people with their hands over their ears..

     to such He says 'FEAR NOT,I HAVE OVERCOME"  Jesus prayed the Father..to look over them because of the evil one...

   
       Balance is important imo we can praise and glorify God ,build up and edify in truth..and even speak/discuss some of the

    'difficult' things.  Things that trouble need to be laid to rest.  A spirit of fear is not of the Lord regarding these things.........

......Fear not! I have overcome!   The holy spirit can declare the truth and remove the fear..so that you may stand on the

rock/firm...and not be blown about by every wind of doctrine.   If we can not bear to 'hear' of such things..how can we stand

in truth?   or how can error be revealed.?..

   nephilim?   tares amongst  the wheat...sown of the enemy[evil contrast spirit] bringing forth fruit of unrighteousness[greed/

strife/haughtiness/pride/fornications]  an unlawful mix...as God created man for His spirit to dwell in..........let us make man

in our image........nephilim are men in corrupt image.

   let them grow togather until harvest,lest by pulling up the tares ye uproot the wheat[men]  all men are saved[a spirit hath not

  flesh and blood= such rebellious spirits took possesion of man's flesh to dwell in.  but 'the Word of God' come in flesh....

and was born of woman under the Law[not as the lawless ones that took as many as they pleased...in rebellion]

   and give eternal life unto man..and become a quickening spirit. and restoration and healing unto man.

   that which is born of God can not sin/therefore these rebellious evil spirit/angels are NOT His progency..but are the evil

contrast and have lusted after man'snflesh to bring forth fruit of their wicked spirit..........what we know as 'sin' rebellion

and it's fruits are spiritual and corrupting to man's flesh...arrogance strife murder hate lie un-natural lusts..and it brings

death to man[God's temple on earth]  and God himself will destroy and break-up the wicked works of the devil..which is

nothing short of the corruption and destruction of man.


   we battle not flesh and blood[if the man has flesh..even a mix[tokogae] he is redeemed........but we battle powers and

principalities in high places[offsprings of vipers sitting in Moses seat/such as those on the bodies of the Pharisee's ]


          Now,every thought..is to be brought into subjection by the spirit of Christ.....and He has redeemed all men..and He shall

   seperate the wheat from the tares[remove demonic offspring from men[deliver from the wicked one]

   and as all men have bore the image of the corrupt[rebellious angels] so,too,shall all bear the image of the incorrupt.

    suppose a deaf and mute spirit make a child blind and deaf? will he not be redeemed? is the arm of the Lord too short

  to save? No. suppose a demon possesses a man and strikes him with gigantism..is the arm of the Lord too short to redeem?

   No! He has redeemed all men..from whatever state  they are in...are they deformed? leprosy,lame,dead?

    HE HAS THE POWER TO SEPERATE AND DOES NOT NEED OUR HELP..LEST YE UPROOT THE SALVATION OF

  ALL MEN HE BOUGHT WITH HIS BLOOD

 


   

   

     

       

   

 :cloud9: I can see all the spiritual applications too. However, I also see and have heard of the Lord that the natural are following suit again in this hour. Their end has already been decided, so to fear the Lord is all that's necessary. My  :2c: Blessings....

Sheila, that was magnificent!  :iagree: :iagree: :iagree: :iagree: :iagree:

Quote from: Jock on March 19, 2014, 06:06:46 PM
WW, sorry mate, I take that back.

I was reading about this, here's the link. Very interesting, a lot of it seems to be speculation mixed with truth. Time will tell.

http://gracethrufaith.com/end-times-prophecy/the-nephilim/

There is another interpretation of "iron mixed with clay".


Matt 24:37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall be the coming of the Son of man. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, till the day in which Noah entered the ark, 39 and knew not, till the flood came and took them all away: so shall be the coming of the Son of man

Who are "they"? A mistranslation from "Baal Nashim" = "Devil women" is claimed. So the devils and women eat, drink, etc. Noah lived in a valley with many Nephilim. Nephilim are the offspring of human females and fallen Tera-phim. The symbol or angels is iron; that of humans is clay. Mix and the result is the return of the Nephilim.

Just my useless  :2c:

Nephlim are all over the OT, but rarely called by name. It looks like all/most of Joshua's wars were against Nephlim.

:2c:

I wait, still.
And again I searched my Bible and 4 other translations for a fallen angel, and I hit a dead end.
I thought I had read the link sent sometime ago, and the word speculation is the proper word.
"All the Job references clearly describe angels." I re read them verses and unless you accept the interpretation that sons of god are angels I question.

 :cloud9: I beheld Satan fall from heaven like lightening?

Okay I go with the ?

For satan to be a "fallen angel" the adversary would have to first have been an "angel" right? :dsunny:

...that's Babylon ww and women in her image.........

      that'sfortune-tellers,phsychics..witchecraft..majic spells..cults,covens,false worship/jezebels....evil spirits have their 'female"

   counterparts to seduce[erotic dreams...dream lovers etc incubus/succubus ].....the smotherer of babes......

Quote from: micah7:9 on March 19, 2014, 07:42:49 PM
I wait, still.

Patience is a virtue so keep waiting. :winkgrin:

"2 Tim 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

That includes Nephlim who are also mentioned in Revelations."

It is for this I wait :winkgrin:

Quote from: micah7:9 on March 19, 2014, 09:35:02 PM
"2 Tim 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

That includes Nephlim who are also mentioned in Revelations."

It is for this I wait :winkgrin:

The wait is long over. You just have to read the replies Micah.
Imo, your problem is you refuse interpretation. You only accept direct statements like "a horse in an animal". Without such direct statements you never believe a horse is an animal. If you like that way of study by all means keep doing so. Unfortunately, it means that you get bored waiting very often.

IMO the whole Nephilim as progeny of angels and men is dubious but possible. There are only two places the Nephilim are mentioned that I kno of, one in Genesis and one in Numbers. Micah? Where in Revelation is Nephilim?

I think fallen angel is perhaps an interpretation of those in Jude who "left their proper estate" or better "forsook their appointed dominion"- meaning they were not willing to abide within the stewardship unto which they were appointed and presumed to rule rather than serve.... This is why Jude is comparing them to certain false messengers among the ecclesia. As for Satan falling like lightning out of the heavenlies - Jesus is clearly referring to some event about which we hav little information and can infer and interpret certain things from related prophecies-

but it seems to me like we have a whole Christian mythology based on a half dozen oblique verses.

I see no basis for conclusively arguing divergent positions on some of these things where we have one or two or three verses out of the whole bible to base our position on. We can only share our opinions and hold what is sound in each of our own minds and hearts.

I don't think God cares, or He would have provided more info ;o)

Quote from: WhiteWings on March 19, 2014, 09:59:25 PM

Quote from: micah7:9 on March 19, 2014, 09:35:02 PM
"2 Tim 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

That includes Nephlim who are also mentioned in Revelations."

It is for this I wait :winkgrin:

The wait is long over. You just have to read the replies Micah.
Imo, your problem is you refuse interpretation. You only accept direct statements like "a horse in an animal". Without such direct statements you never believe a horse is an animal. If you like that way of study by all means keep doing so. Unfortunately, it means that you get bored waiting very often.

Your assumption maybe true. I have read all of the interpretations I just don't accept the offering. So should I not accept, "Nephlim are all over the OT, but rarely called by name. It looks like all/most of Joshua's wars were against Nephlim." That I don't know that a horse is an animal?
These nephlim you speak of is the beast now just who is that by interpretation?
I find your information very good at times but then sometimes when you put everything into or out of a Hebrew understanding, when the Bible is a spiritual book, both old and new, sometimes you just gotta disregard the history and humanity view. Although I consider your offerings of the "wedding and the marriage" a good study. And it's not bored that I get just weary. :2c:

 :cloud9: He is so funny. I was going to post on here, "Press in and get God-breathed answers that no one will be able to take away from you."

Immediately I saw a woman (His bride) persevering to press into the direction of a STRONG wind, and He drew my attention to her dress. It was a mass of wrinkles, but the closer she got to the source of the wind, the more the dress was flattened out, until it had no wrinkles at all.

For whoever wants it. My  :2c:

PS. Uh, in case you didn't "get" his sense of humor.....He's coming back for a church without spot or WRINKLE..... :laughing7:

 :cloud9: Jezebel is NOT just those in the witchcraft arts circles and those that blindly practice them, nor is Babylon the kingdom they have created that they only dwell under the ruler ship of.

Jezebel is a strong principality, Babylon is her dominion, what and who she has dominion over, and until the Lord sees fit to deliver from it, it's reach completely covers everything under the firmament. And it won't be long. My  :2c:

Pentecost lives! I only say that because I believe, the students (which I was one at one time) are not able or will not let go of, the happening of the birth of what is called a great revival(and it was). They hold to that past as I once did, sadly, by doing do, they have missed a truth... the Pillar and Cloud moved, and Pentecost(the denomination) has begun it's journey with Babylon.  :HeartThrob:

 :cloud9: I agree Micah.....the cloud moved. The Word says that ALL the Israelites went thru, was for OUR example. I can't tell you how many times I heard in Pentecost circles and even Baptist circles, how we were brought out of Egypt with a price.

What no one seems to have taken notice of, is that after they got out of Egypt and had their Sinai/Pentecost experience, they also went into Babylon. Where and when was THIS deliverance APPROPRIATED? It WASN'T. The serpent was more subtle than all the other beasts of the field, and it still is. My  :2c:

Quote from: Cardinal on March 20, 2014, 01:04:54 AM
:cloud9: I agree Micah.....the cloud moved. The Word says that ALL the Israelites went thru, was for OUR example. I can't tell you how many times I heard in Pentecost circles and even Baptist circles, how we were brought out of Egypt with a price.

What no one seems to have taken notice of, is that after they got out of Egypt and had their Sinai/Pentecost experience, they also went into Babylon. Where and when was THIS deliverance APPROPRIATED? It WASN'T. The serpent was more subtle than all the other beasts of the field, and it still is. My  :2c:
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So I believe from what you offered is that what we[that's me as well] have now is a wallering, a vortext, were we are with struggling arms, grabbing out for a snub of rock, something solid that will help to hold on in the midst of the white water of doctrine that has been established, and hollers Here ..Here ..which is a false gold....assuming that all the sheep have followed before, so why not now?
Well, the Good News is...their are some who,have ears to hear and will, against religious, denomination, and  sect, and  theology hersey......go forward in that race that Paul said, he had not yet won. My opinion for what it is worth, we need to get past what all that has been set. When really looked at, it is all RELIGION, DENOMINATIONS, SECTS, and CONTROL. The freedom We have received is controlled by love....

LOL  :laugh: (Christian mythology) I like it! Aint that the truth.

Quote from: micah7:9 on March 20, 2014, 02:53:17 AM

Quote from: Cardinal on March 20, 2014, 01:04:54 AM
:cloud9: I agree Micah.....the cloud moved. The Word says that ALL the Israelites went thru, was for OUR example. I can't tell you how many times I heard in Pentecost circles and even Baptist circles, how we were brought out of Egypt with a price.

What no one seems to have taken notice of, is that after they got out of Egypt and had their Sinai/Pentecost experience, they also went into Babylon. Where and when was THIS deliverance APPROPRIATED? It WASN'T. The serpent was more subtle than all the other beasts of the field, and it still is. My  :2c:
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So I believe from what you offered is that what we[that's me as well] have now is a wallering, a vortext, were we are with struggling arms, grabbing out for a snub of rock, something solid that will help to hold on in the midst of the white water of doctrine that has been established, and hollers Here ..Here ..which is a false gold....assuming that all the sheep have followed before, so why not now?
Well, the Good News is...their are some who,have ears to hear and will, against religious, denomination, and  sect, and  theology hersey......go forward in that race that Paul said, he had not yet won. My opinion for what it is worth, we need to get past what all that has been set. When really looked at, it is all RELIGION, DENOMINATIONS, SECTS, and CONTROL. The freedom We have received is controlled by love....

:cloud9: Er, Yep.  :Peace2: In the beginning of our walk, the Word defines the Spirit (did what I just experience/see/hear, was that God? Yep, the Word says it was), but as we mature, the Spirit defines the Word (Wow, what I just experienced I never dreamed was possible but there it is, I see it now, it's been there all along, the hidden manna of the Word).

BOTH define our experiencing the living God, whose Spirit IS love. As we grow in the first-hand, experiential knowledge of Him, that love perfected, casts out all fear, and He can begin to show us things and do things with us, that are in the Word, yet hidden from fearful, prying eyes.

The framework is never abandoned, it's perfect, but it is as bones that need the flesh (celestial, spiritual) draped upon it. God has been creating a temple and a man to enter it on the day of the Atonement,  these 6 days or 6000 years. Now He's clothing him, and soon He'll be revealing Him. My  :2c:  Blessings....

Nephilim - i've always thought it says "in those days there were giants" before the flood which wiped out the cainites with the prominant brow and the giants, men of renown.. or am i remembering that wrong?

so are 'you' saying what happened once can happen again? imo, would be neither here nor there, as it's not in the Word of God - fallen angels the dark entities/demons, yes..

"ALL things in heaven AND earth are being gathered into Jesus" col 1:20 (ultimately)

Quote from: Cardinal on March 20, 2014, 12:42:07 AM
:cloud9: Jezebel is NOT just those in the witchcraft arts circles and those that blindly practice them, nor is Babylon the kingdom they have created that they only dwell under the ruler ship of.

Jezebel is a strong principality, Babylon is her dominion, what and who she has dominion over, and until the Lord sees fit to deliver from it, it's reach completely covers everything under the firmament. And it won't be long. My  :2c:

Jezebel.. to me.. would be a false church that allows rampant immorality (today compromises with the world libertine spirit)

But the global harlot (greek "pornos" and "to sell" seems to me, going by rev chapters 17 and 18, that the going global money based (babylon was the first coin based economy) global empire/$ity, which uses pornos to sell! sell! and has seduced and enchanted all nations/7continents.. anyway that seems obvious to me (imo) according to the descriptions in rev 17 and 18 - she made the merchants wealthy, read their list of products right down to the bodies of souls (pornos,etc) - the kings.politicians are in bed with her (fornicating)

her forehead/psyche ALL "babble"/untruth, babble on and on" is repsonsible for all slain on earth..

Was the beast at one time the Holy Roman Empire? absolutely, but for today's version (imo) we need to look around us

Many think both beasts of rev 13 are the same.. and the harlot and the false prophet, all the same thing! :laughing7:

false prophet/teaching turned western civilization which used to be Christendom (even if imperfect) on its ear, has prepared the way "went before" the last days big beast (world beast/body, surely?) of 13:1-10 and also prepared the way for the "pornos" flood which is an attempt to wash the faith off the earth.. (but the earth will swallow the flood,Lk23:28,31!)
             :2c:  :icon_jokercolor:

Quote from: sheila on March 19, 2014, 07:14:13 PM
my pov...the new and young ones coming in...have many questions......and have heard many different things.   some of these things

Amen!! and they can clisten to lots of people talking, ad infini about this that and everything, or cruise the internet and listen to this that and the other thing.. but! His "Word Is Truth"

and especially in this day, Thank God for that!!!! else we have no ruler.. no guide.. and we certainly do not want to be ones blurring the lines, or making things, confusing for those seeking..

God bless! :gsmile: :girlheart:

 :cloud9: Best thing has been and always will be.....ask the Lord. My  :2c: Blessings....

Quote from: marie glen on March 20, 2014, 04:04:49 PM

Nephilim - i've always thought it says "in those days there were giants" before the flood which wiped out the cainites with the prominant brow and the giants, men of renown.. or am i remembering that wrong?

"The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when [because] the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown." - Genesis 6:4

I thought the Nephilists were the offsprings of fallen angles and human women. They were around at the time of Noah and were destroyed in the flood along with all the sinners. If they are still on this Earth then they are basically evil and have no morals or compassion for others.

I know this may be off topic, but I did nto know where to ask. I am new to this concept of this web site. However I have been searching the Scriptures for answers for many years.  WHAT HAPPENS TO SATAN AND THE DEMONS? are they TOO saved?

 :cloud9: Hi; may I suggest if no one wishes to delve into that right now (I know it has been discussed before on here) that you check out the search bar on the top of the page, right hand corner, and put in key words to try to bring up previous discussions on the topic of interest? Blessings...

Quote from: thetruthprospector on May 04, 2014, 09:14:44 PM
I know this may be off topic, but I did nto know where to ask. I am new to this concept of this web site. However I have been searching the Scriptures for answers for many years.  WHAT HAPPENS TO SATAN AND THE DEMONS? are they TOO saved?

I don't know but have a few thoughts about it. God purifies gold like a refiner. The gold=good enters heaven and the dros=evil is ceases to exist. If satan is 100% evil that would mean he's 100% dros and 0% gold. So he either stops existing or he's changed so much he's the total opposite what he's right now. Same answer for the demons with the remark that according to some demons are not God's creation. They are the spirits of the dead offspring that resulted from angels that mating with human females. Jesus came to save God's creation only.

As a summary I would write nobody* enters heaven because all* are purified first. So the old man no longer exists.
*=Jesus is the exception because He was (and obviously still is) 100% gold.

White wings,

Thanks for the response. My quick take on it is that God is light and there is no darkness in Him at all. He is like heat (fire?) also. So There really is no darkness or coldness they are just the absence of the positive energy. Where Satan works is were God is not sheding His light for a time. But when He Who is light will manifest   by speaking HIs Word. The Light of HIS face will cause the devil and his spirits to cease to exist.  Any ways that is how I see it for the moment.
Any more light on this?

Quote from: thetruthprospector on May 05, 2014, 05:46:30 AM
White wings,

Thanks for the response. My quick take on it is that God is light and there is no darkness in Him at all. He is like heat (fire?) also. So There really is no darkness or coldness they are just the absence of the positive energy. Where Satan works is were God is not sheding His light for a time. But when He Who is light will manifest   by speaking HIs Word. The Light of HIS face will cause the devil and his spirits to cease to exist.  Any ways that is how I see it for the moment.
Any more light on this?

My naive take,

All the ministries that I have been involved in that involved dealing with devil spirits, fighting the devil, and such things, I've never seen one that had any real merit.

Maybe it is my unbelief, naivety, or God is just protecting me. 

I don't really see the devil or satan as being an actual being.  I've never been in a place where light(God) was not.  To people who believe in the devil, these things are very real.  I tend to believe in "greater is he that is in me, then he that is in the world".

Satan is the power of the air, that is in the world.  Belief and non belief have great weight when it comes to such matter................works for saint and sinner alike  :winkgrin:

I'm not worried if angels or spirits are saved.  It is not my realm, and is none of my concern.  I care about people/humanity.  God will take care of the rest.

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Quote from: thetruthprospector on May 05, 2014, 05:46:30 AM
White wings,

Thanks for the response. My quick take on it is that God is light and there is no darkness in Him at all. He is like heat (fire?) also. So There really is no darkness or coldness they are just the absence of the positive energy. Where Satan works is were God is not sheding His light for a time. But when He Who is light will manifest   by speaking HIs Word. The Light of HIS face will cause the devil and his spirits to cease to exist.  Any ways that is how I see it for the moment.
Any more light on this?

There is evidence in the scriptures that devils, evil spirits, etc. will be purified in the lake of fire, in the presence of God and His holy angels.

Matthew 25 "Depart from me you cursed, into the age during fire prepared for the devil and his messengers".

Rev 14 "He shall be tormented with fire(theion- Godfire) and brimstone(sulfur- purifying agent) in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb".

Since it says in 1 Cor 15 :28 that every adversary will be subject to Christ and that when the last enemy(death) is subjected, Jesus will return all things to the Father so that God will be ALL IN ALL, I peronally do not believe that any being will be disolved, destroyed, etc; but rather that every knee shall bow whether in heaven or on  earth or under the earth and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of the Father(Phil 2:10,11) until Revelation 5:13 and Romans 8:19-23 are fulfilled.....

"And every created thing on the earth and in heaven and under the earth and on the sea and everything in them, I heard saying, "To Him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be glory honor and power forever and ever amen." Rev 5:13

As it is written in Romans 11

For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be the glory throughout all ages, amen.

Ed, I have encountered these spirits and you probably have too. They are real enough but they exist in the spirituals and the attack is usually in the mind of the believer, the thought life. That is why we need armour and when you quote "greater is He,(Christ) than he (the enemy or one of his minions; that is in the world".

That is powerful, it's the sword of the Spirit (the word of God)

Your care for mankind is commendable but just know that you have an enemy.

Shalom  :Peace2:

Jock.

Jock

I know I have had to wrestle much with my demons!! And still do, life is a battlefied. But by only by the grace of God do we get through it. I beleive that the greater in us is the Christ in us. There only by the finished work, but being worked out as we work out our salvation. I never considered your understanding Eaglesway!
Very interesting. I need to unlearn so much. I need to go back to the scriptures.

Thanks so much y'all!

Also Ed. like the vagabond Jews in Acts, I believe that there are a lots of false ministeries today that may actually be using evil spirits to cast out evill spirts and giving glory to the minsiter or ministery instead of the source.....THE LIGHT of His Word......Jesus. May Jesus be glorified for ever.

Quote from: thetruthprospector on May 06, 2014, 09:25:58 PM
Jock


Also Ed. like the vagabond Jews in Acts, I believe that there are a lots of false ministeries today that may actually be using evil spirits to cast out evill spirts and giving glory to the minsiter or ministery instead of the source.....THE LIGHT of His Word......Jesus. May Jesus be glorified for ever.

This is something I have seen (and done  at times :doh:), over many years of ministry- that men can draw glory to themselves for both false works in the name of our God- and even true works themselves(Lord, Lord- didnt we cast out demons, prophecy and do many mighty works in your name?.... Depart from me you lawless ones....)

Oh that we would apply His ways to His works- then the gold, silver and precious stones of work that will stand in the light of the Day would be ours. (Well done, my good and faithful servant)

It's true that there are evil spirits at work from pulpits and bible colleges around the world. We can test what we hear and the spirit that spoke it. We have to be sooo careful what we say to people and each other because the enemy is always looking for homage.

There are men who (through fear) will sow evil into believers, robbing them of their liberty and their joy in Christ. Be careful of such men/women.

Josh 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

Amen

Jock.  :2c:

Quote from: thetruthprospector on May 06, 2014, 09:25:58 PM
Also Ed. like the vagabond Jews in Acts, I believe that there are a lots of false ministeries today that may actually be using evil spirits to cast out evill spirts and giving glory to the minsiter or ministery instead of the source.....THE LIGHT of His Word......Jesus. May Jesus be glorified for ever.

:cloud9: I'm of the opinion that Jesus answered that question. Can Satan cast out Satan? My  :2c: Blessings....