descendants of the Nephilim

[rrich7]

This isn't answering your off topic question but it's something I wrote in response to someone asking what led me to universalism, and I utilized a reference for a dream and how my pre exposure to Et doctrine affected my interpretation. I've always been a dreamer, idk if you are but maybe it can help you look at your dream(s) differently:

Well, I was raised by a father who was raised by ET teaching. I've basically been "in church" (the building) since birth & early on my relationship with God was amazing (maybe because children are more receptive to Him, maybe? Just my opinion tho).  I remember being about 7 or 8 and having a dream (I dream a lot actually).  In the dream, I was in my bed alone & my bed was surrounding by flames & I was frightened, I thought it was hell so I grabbed a bible, that was conveniently on my bed & kept calling on God, however no relief came. I eventually, in the dream, ended up in tears, feeling abandoned & woke up in tears.
My father had told me that when evil spirits caused those dreams & fear to call on the name of God to rebuke them. I had done that, but nothing happened, so then I began to question if I was really saved? Or saved enough? I thought God would never abandon me.

I think that's when my process started, I would spend the next 10 years going back & forth, trying to figure out if I was saved enough, & start noticing a lot of the "issues" in the church.  I used to pray a lot that everyone could be saved, telling God I knew it was in His power & I just didn't see how it was "fair" to punish people for being placed in a situation they didn't ask to be in. I battled with that a lot.. & eventually the constant prayer led me here.

So honestly, I think the glimpsing started a while ago, but the doctrines kept haunting me. I honestly believe though, that things happen in God's good time & there were lessons I needed to learn before He 'lightened" my veil.

Now that I think back on that dream, maybe I interpreted it to be the wrong hell.. there was nothing scary (demonic images or shadows) in it. Just darkness & blue flame. A light in a darkness, maybe a hint of God's consuming fire or presence?? Maybe God didn't come when I called because He was already there, just maybe   

[Lazarus Short]

I just watched this video - at about minute 23, the lady has some very interesting things to say about a second species - the Nephilim I'm thinking.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcwnbQzNz9Q

Here's a second witness, a tie-in with the video.

http://www.sunnyskyz.com/good-news/545/DNA-Analysis-Of-Paracas-Elongated-Skulls-Released-The-Results-Prove-They-Were-Not-Human

[Tapioca]

From the original post..."Are there still descendants of the Nephilim on Earth today......" just why or how would a person even come up with such a thought, unless christian religions and denominations keep such thoughts moldable in the mind of those seeking refuge and peace? Should the truth be offered, preached, and ministered, souls with great pain in their consciousness of past deeds, would never have a need to even be able to come up with such thoughts. When the Father draws one to His Son Jesus, that one knows, that a work has begun...and a dark thought of such a thing as "Nephilim" would never arise in thought. I am just amazed........certainly and by all cause, this is just my opinion. :banana:

Exactly.
It's those who go to extra-biblical sources for their fear-mongering and scare people, mostly to sell books it looks like, who come up with these strange doctrines and scare people, especially the young. Which, in my opinion, is doubly heinous.
Those theories can't stand up unless "supported" if you will, by occult books, or questionable books, at any rate. My opinion, anyway.
One of those "book writers" even has a vid on youtube  that Goliath could regenerate himself unless his head was cut off. Oh, my word! Trouble is, ridiculous as that sounds, many people buy it, hook, line and sinker.

[Jock]

This deal with "Nephilim" reminds me of David Icke and his reptilians. Does it edify Christ and His Bride? I think not. Not a good place for one's eyes to be. Christ desires good fruit!

[WhiteWings]

2 Tim 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

That includes Nephlim who are also mentioned in Revelations.

[micah7:9]

I, that's me personally await your revelation. :dsunny:

[Jock]

Same here, Nephilim may be in Revelation but I don't have any word from God on it, nothing to back it up, no witness of what it is or what it means to us?

Jock.

No doubt David Icke could tell us  :laugh:

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Nephilim = fallen angels that joined themselves to human women and produced a line of giants, whose appetites were out of control and the cries of people over this reached the ears of God.

There is nothing new under the sun, and the so-called "aliens" are those Nephilim spirits, the angels mentioned in Jude as having been reserved in chains until the time of the end. And they're up to their old tricks.

It's been said this was the underlying reason for the flood, to destroy all the flesh that housed these spirits before. My  :2c:

[Jock]

WW, sorry mate, I take that back.

I was reading about this, here's the link. Very interesting, a lot of it seems to be speculation mixed with truth. Time will tell.

http://gracethrufaith.com/end-times-prophecy/the-nephilim/

[sheila]

my pov...the new and young ones coming in...have many questions......and have heard many different things.   some of these things

  they may have questions about...that are written and testified to in the scriptures ..'aren't pretty"   such topics of 'giants..etc

nephilem...evil spirits.." are spoken of...but may I remind you with God/Christ these are all overcome and conquered.


    edifying...and building up with truth in love....is not accomplished by...'ignoring' a topic ...or   a 'don't speak of such things"

    attitude.   it is enough for you to be like your Lord and Master Jesus Christ.  Mark 1;23.........Be quiet,come out of him!

   it is shown in the scriptures you must overcom the giants inhabiting Canaan to take your inheritance..........and that God

   will go before you and drive them out little by little..............

   when you cross a powerful rebellious spirit with the flesh of man...what do you get? certainly not righteous offspring[Flesh with a

a capital 'F' and powerful rebellious spirit'.......but...may I remind you that flesh and blood does not inherit the Kingdom...any

flesh............


    what does the account of David and Goliath show but..the strength/power of flesh in spirit of opposition to God's will

  must 'give way and fall down before God's annointed one"   whether in the account of David and Goliath..Noah and the ark

  the taking of the land of Canaan...or Nebuchaddnezer's image......what is impossible with men..being possibe with God[by my

spirit].........

       Now..do I see a parallel of the giant's in Noah's day with Giant corporations consuming the resources of the earth today...

  and then turning to consume the people when thoseresources are depleted? sure do.  same spirit in operation

   Lev 18;28......and if you defile the land it will vomit you out...as it vomited out the nations that were before you...........

   the earth helps the woman by opening it's mouth and swallowing the dragon floods...and by vomiting out what defiles.....

   thus they can be 'bound in the earth' and cast out of earth.   Numbers16; 32,33   but if the Lord brings about something

totally new...and the earth opens it's mouth and swallows them with everything that belongs to them..and they go down

alive into the grave...then you will know that these men have treated the Lord with contempt


   authority to overcome all the power of the enemy is granted through Christ...trampling serpents under your feet......

   now,some only come out through prayer[I do beleive,help me "overcome" my unbeleif=prayer]   We must all pray to

  overcome..so we may hear and speak truth...and not be thrown into the water and fire[word/truth that refines] to be put to death

  of an evil spirit  Mark 9;21-29.   this same type thing happened when God spoke from the top of the Mountain to Israel......

   they said 'Let not God speak to us,lest we die".  I can see in my minds eye the people with their hands over their ears..

     to such He says 'FEAR NOT,I HAVE OVERCOME"  Jesus prayed the Father..to look over them because of the evil one...

   
       Balance is important imo we can praise and glorify God ,build up and edify in truth..and even speak/discuss some of the

    'difficult' things.  Things that trouble need to be laid to rest.  A spirit of fear is not of the Lord regarding these things.........

......Fear not! I have overcome!   The holy spirit can declare the truth and remove the fear..so that you may stand on the

rock/firm...and not be blown about by every wind of doctrine.   If we can not bear to 'hear' of such things..how can we stand

in truth?   or how can error be revealed.?..

   nephilim?   tares amongst  the wheat...sown of the enemy[evil contrast spirit] bringing forth fruit of unrighteousness[greed/

strife/haughtiness/pride/fornications]  an unlawful mix...as God created man for His spirit to dwell in..........let us make man

in our image........nephilim are men in corrupt image.

   let them grow togather until harvest,lest by pulling up the tares ye uproot the wheat[men]  all men are saved[a spirit hath not

  flesh and blood= such rebellious spirits took possesion of man's flesh to dwell in.  but 'the Word of God' come in flesh....

and was born of woman under the Law[not as the lawless ones that took as many as they pleased...in rebellion]

   and give eternal life unto man..and become a quickening spirit. and restoration and healing unto man.

   that which is born of God can not sin/therefore these rebellious evil spirit/angels are NOT His progency..but are the evil

contrast and have lusted after man'snflesh to bring forth fruit of their wicked spirit..........what we know as 'sin' rebellion

and it's fruits are spiritual and corrupting to man's flesh...arrogance strife murder hate lie un-natural lusts..and it brings

death to man[God's temple on earth]  and God himself will destroy and break-up the wicked works of the devil..which is

nothing short of the corruption and destruction of man.


   we battle not flesh and blood[if the man has flesh..even a mix[tokogae] he is redeemed........but we battle powers and

principalities in high places[offsprings of vipers sitting in Moses seat/such as those on the bodies of the Pharisee's ]


          Now,every thought..is to be brought into subjection by the spirit of Christ.....and He has redeemed all men..and He shall

   seperate the wheat from the tares[remove demonic offspring from men[deliver from the wicked one]

   and as all men have bore the image of the corrupt[rebellious angels] so,too,shall all bear the image of the incorrupt.

    suppose a deaf and mute spirit make a child blind and deaf? will he not be redeemed? is the arm of the Lord too short

  to save? No. suppose a demon possesses a man and strikes him with gigantism..is the arm of the Lord too short to redeem?

   No! He has redeemed all men..from whatever state  they are in...are they deformed? leprosy,lame,dead?

    HE HAS THE POWER TO SEPERATE AND DOES NOT NEED OUR HELP..LEST YE UPROOT THE SALVATION OF

  ALL MEN HE BOUGHT WITH HIS BLOOD

 


   

   

     

       

   

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: I can see all the spiritual applications too. However, I also see and have heard of the Lord that the natural are following suit again in this hour. Their end has already been decided, so to fear the Lord is all that's necessary. My  :2c: Blessings....

[Lazarus Short]

Sheila, that was magnificent!  :iagree: :iagree: :iagree: :iagree: :iagree:

[WhiteWings]

WW, sorry mate, I take that back.

I was reading about this, here's the link. Very interesting, a lot of it seems to be speculation mixed with truth. Time will tell.

http://gracethrufaith.com/end-times-prophecy/the-nephilim/

There is another interpretation of "iron mixed with clay".


Matt 24:37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall be the coming of the Son of man. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, till the day in which Noah entered the ark, 39 and knew not, till the flood came and took them all away: so shall be the coming of the Son of man

Who are "they"? A mistranslation from "Baal Nashim" = "Devil women" is claimed. So the devils and women eat, drink, etc. Noah lived in a valley with many Nephilim. Nephilim are the offspring of human females and fallen Tera-phim. The symbol or angels is iron; that of humans is clay. Mix and the result is the return of the Nephilim.

Just my useless  :2c:

[WhiteWings]

Nephlim are all over the OT, but rarely called by name. It looks like all/most of Joshua's wars were against Nephlim.

:2c:

[micah7:9]

I wait, still.
And again I searched my Bible and 4 other translations for a fallen angel, and I hit a dead end.
I thought I had read the link sent sometime ago, and the word speculation is the proper word.
"All the Job references clearly describe angels." I re read them verses and unless you accept the interpretation that sons of god are angels I question.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: I beheld Satan fall from heaven like lightening?

[micah7:9]

Okay I go with the ?

For satan to be a "fallen angel" the adversary would have to first have been an "angel" right? :dsunny:

[sheila]

...that's Babylon ww and women in her image.........

      that'sfortune-tellers,phsychics..witchecraft..majic spells..cults,covens,false worship/jezebels....evil spirits have their 'female"

   counterparts to seduce[erotic dreams...dream lovers etc incubus/succubus ].....the smotherer of babes......

[WhiteWings]

I wait, still.

Patience is a virtue so keep waiting. :winkgrin:

[micah7:9]

"2 Tim 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

That includes Nephlim who are also mentioned in Revelations."

It is for this I wait :winkgrin:

[WhiteWings]

"2 Tim 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

That includes Nephlim who are also mentioned in Revelations."

It is for this I wait :winkgrin:

The wait is long over. You just have to read the replies Micah.
Imo, your problem is you refuse interpretation. You only accept direct statements like "a horse in an animal". Without such direct statements you never believe a horse is an animal. If you like that way of study by all means keep doing so. Unfortunately, it means that you get bored waiting very often.

[eaglesway]

IMO the whole Nephilim as progeny of angels and men is dubious but possible. There are only two places the Nephilim are mentioned that I kno of, one in Genesis and one in Numbers. Micah? Where in Revelation is Nephilim?

I think fallen angel is perhaps an interpretation of those in Jude who "left their proper estate" or better "forsook their appointed dominion"- meaning they were not willing to abide within the stewardship unto which they were appointed and presumed to rule rather than serve.... This is why Jude is comparing them to certain false messengers among the ecclesia. As for Satan falling like lightning out of the heavenlies - Jesus is clearly referring to some event about which we hav little information and can infer and interpret certain things from related prophecies-

but it seems to me like we have a whole Christian mythology based on a half dozen oblique verses.

I see no basis for conclusively arguing divergent positions on some of these things where we have one or two or three verses out of the whole bible to base our position on. We can only share our opinions and hold what is sound in each of our own minds and hearts.

I don't think God cares, or He would have provided more info ;o)

[micah7:9]

"2 Tim 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

That includes Nephlim who are also mentioned in Revelations."

It is for this I wait :winkgrin:

The wait is long over. You just have to read the replies Micah.
Imo, your problem is you refuse interpretation. You only accept direct statements like "a horse in an animal". Without such direct statements you never believe a horse is an animal. If you like that way of study by all means keep doing so. Unfortunately, it means that you get bored waiting very often.

Your assumption maybe true. I have read all of the interpretations I just don't accept the offering. So should I not accept, "Nephlim are all over the OT, but rarely called by name. It looks like all/most of Joshua's wars were against Nephlim." That I don't know that a horse is an animal?
These nephlim you speak of is the beast now just who is that by interpretation?
I find your information very good at times but then sometimes when you put everything into or out of a Hebrew understanding, when the Bible is a spiritual book, both old and new, sometimes you just gotta disregard the history and humanity view. Although I consider your offerings of the "wedding and the marriage" a good study. And it's not bored that I get just weary. :2c:

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: He is so funny. I was going to post on here, "Press in and get God-breathed answers that no one will be able to take away from you."

Immediately I saw a woman (His bride) persevering to press into the direction of a STRONG wind, and He drew my attention to her dress. It was a mass of wrinkles, but the closer she got to the source of the wind, the more the dress was flattened out, until it had no wrinkles at all.

For whoever wants it. My  :2c:

PS. Uh, in case you didn't "get" his sense of humor.....He's coming back for a church without spot or WRINKLE..... :laughing7:

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Jezebel is NOT just those in the witchcraft arts circles and those that blindly practice them, nor is Babylon the kingdom they have created that they only dwell under the ruler ship of.

Jezebel is a strong principality, Babylon is her dominion, what and who she has dominion over, and until the Lord sees fit to deliver from it, it's reach completely covers everything under the firmament. And it won't be long. My  :2c: